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[Aristophanes]

VC 2.06

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Lynching

Fykus

(4): WhyMafia, Toranaga, Sergtacos, humaneatingmonkey

Misère

(3): Thor665, Mulch, Fykus

Chip Butty

(2): BlueBloodedToffee, skitter30

skitter30

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Misère

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

The day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-10-04 11:52:50)

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Misère is being replaced.

[Toranaga]

vote: chip

[Chip Butty]

vote: chip

That's laughably OMGUS, dude.

[Toranaga]

vote: chip

That's laughably OMGUS, dude.

^ we're lynching this. at this point of the game, to say I'm OMGUSing him. whatever. get lynched chip.

[Toranaga]

I honestly feel really bad for flipping on y'all yesterday. let's try lynching a wolf. it could be misère after all. why is she wolfy? why not fykus instead? why is chip villagery?

Misere is wolfy for offering little and being present on a town flip and being among the rather sketchy Havo pushers.
Fykus, well, there is his current hum drum, I suppose, but has at least felt more involved to me than Misere - this is basically a rotten tomato to a rotten egg, neither are pleasent, both stink, but I can say which I'd much rather be hit by.
Chip looked good Day 1. He looks pretty bad Day 2. I'm choosing to guardedly lean him as maybe a person I don't like rather than particularly obv. scum though, as most of what I don't like is his tone more than the specific thoughts he's pushing, and I did rather like him Day 1 - so the idea that he's more pissy today tends to softly suggest to me he's town as town is the one doing the sucking this game (also I think he is feeling raw about Havo and working overtime to suggest Havo is terrible to salve himself - which also feels like a potential town mindset)

What are your thoughts on the three?

I think fykus has been soft or hard defended by a lot of people when his entire play so far has been objectively pro-scum and I don't see anything townie about him. Misère has done scummy stuff but everyone wants to lynch her, so I'm highly skeptical.

Chip has to be scum at this point. he stopped making any sense a long time ago and everything he pushes is illogical and anti-town.

[Chip Butty]

there wasn't even any fucking case against him, it was just lack of reads super early in the game. total bullshit pressure and I'd be hard scumreading both of you if I knew you enough to respect your games.

I have zero experience with a Miller best I can remember. The site I used to play at never used them that I recall.

So Wiki says they are a negative role and usually used to counter or lessen the power of the town cop. And the correct play is to claim early although it's debatable.

And I think a good argument has been made by both sides or at least I can see both sides.

I would hate to have to resolve the slot in LyLo tho. But my gut says scum wouldn't do this on D1.
As the Wiki says the claim usually gets lynched or night killed anyway. Or maybe that was one of you guys that said it.

I haven't found any reasonable argument against openclaiming. I wouldn't do it with certain player fields that I am confident to read me well, and I can see an argument for not claiming if you're trying to keep cop equity and if your kill create cop hunt cleared town. The fact is, claiming miller on later gamedays isn't as believable, and claiming miller after getting peeked scum will get you lynched everytime. Certain players with certain fields in certain games can play it in a different way, but this is not the game for that.

I wanna say this post is a little scummy. Bare in mind this is extremely thin, and I don't want to out all the reasons for it. But this is too much commentary instead of adding something to the discussion. Your post is fine otherwise, I get where you're coming from etc. Just think it comes more from scum than town.

this was the fucking reasoning I had for voting Havo

He hasn't refuted it. How can you reconcile these two posts? First he says it was a BS wagon, then he gives his reason for being on it.

If not for his hardclaim I'd be voting him.

Actually i might still be voting him, so

UNVOTE:

For now...

@Toranaga: instead of ranting like a madman again, tell me how these posts of yours don't conflict. ie how you haven't been caught in two lies now...

[Toranaga]

1182 - are you positing Chip/Fykus/??? Because I don't get your point about Fykus otherwise?
1190 - this is basically exactly what i'm thinking lolololol
1199 - why are you tryng to get chip to work with you on a fykus wagon here? Especially cuz it seems your fykus scumread is partially colored by the fact that chip was defending him?
1264 - this lolololol

lemme respond to this:

I think it's chip, mulch and fykus yes. and I wanted to see if chip would ever vote fykus here, which he won't, which makes me feel better about it.

[Toranaga]

So Toranaga has been caught in a lie, and you're just going to disregard that?

I don't think he lied.

He votes Havo in 109 and is the second vote on the wagon.
HEM is the third vote in 122.
Tor posts 136 at 11:36am
WM is the fourth vote in 139.
You're the fifth vote in 145
I'm the sixth vote in 154.
Havo softs in 157 at 3:40pm.
Tor switches his vote in 167 at 4pm.

The Havo wagon developed from L-4 to L-1 in around five hours, and he wasn't around for the second half of the wagon. He unvoted in his next post after the soft.

Given that he wasn't here when that happened, and unvoted at the first opportunity, and this whole thing unfolded over like five hours, I don't think you can fault him for being on the wagon when it go to L-1 even if he disagreed with the later votes.

chip just read this. if you still think I should be pushed for whatever you're saying I contradicted myself with, then I'm sorry. I'm not gonna engage in the same weak ass push over and over again.

also, get lynched please.

[Toranaga]

love skitter's work. lock town.

[Chip Butty]

So Toranaga has been caught in a lie, and you're just going to disregard that?

I don't think he lied.

He votes Havo in 109 and is the second vote on the wagon.
HEM is the third vote in 122.
Tor posts 136 at 11:36am
WM is the fourth vote in 139.
You're the fifth vote in 145
I'm the sixth vote in 154.
Havo softs in 157 at 3:40pm.
Tor switches his vote in 167 at 4pm.

The Havo wagon developed from L-4 to L-1 in around five hours, and he wasn't around for the second half of the wagon. He unvoted in his next post after the soft.

Given that he wasn't here when that happened, and unvoted at the first opportunity, and this whole thing unfolded over like five hours, I don't think you can fault him for being on the wagon when it go to L-1 even if he disagreed with the later votes.

chip just read this. if you still think I should be pushed for whatever you're saying I contradicted myself with, then I'm sorry. I'm not gonna engage in the same weak ass push over and over again.

also, get lynched please.

See? You are still townreading me. This makes no sense as an appeal to scum.

Yet you are still voting me.

You've been conflicted in this way for a long time now. It doesn't look good.

[Toranaga]

zzzzzzzzzzz

[Chip Butty]

love skitter's work. lock town.

Just like that, huh? Okay, sounds reasonable /sarcasm

[skitter30]

1182 - are you positing Chip/Fykus/??? Because I don't get your point about Fykus otherwise?
1190 - this is basically exactly what i'm thinking lolololol
1199 - why are you tryng to get chip to work with you on a fykus wagon here? Especially cuz it seems your fykus scumread is partially colored by the fact that chip was defending him?
1264 - this lolololol

lemme respond to this:

I think it's chip, mulch and fykus yes. and I wanted to see if chip would ever vote fykus here, which he won't, which makes me feel better about it.

I think this is the first team that's been proposed that I find kinda plausible. Chip/Mulch have made similar pushes (notably the Havo thing) and are also both defending Fykus to various degrees.

And yeah, I was kinda considered about the fact that you were willing to work with Chip after all of this, but that makes sense.

[Toranaga]

chip: yes just like that, you know why? he is pushing scum hard and intelligently.

[Toranaga]

kinda think BBT is town reacting to chip btw

rest of your reads list is good skitter

[skitter30]

So Toranaga has been caught in a lie, and you're just going to disregard that?

I don't think he lied.

He votes Havo in 109 and is the second vote on the wagon.
HEM is the third vote in 122.
Tor posts 136 at 11:36am
WM is the fourth vote in 139.
You're the fifth vote in 145
I'm the sixth vote in 154.
Havo softs in 157 at 3:40pm.
Tor switches his vote in 167 at 4pm.

The Havo wagon developed from L-4 to L-1 in around five hours, and he wasn't around for the second half of the wagon. He unvoted in his next post after the soft.

Given that he wasn't here when that happened, and unvoted at the first opportunity, and this whole thing unfolded over like five hours, I don't think you can fault him for being on the wagon when it go to L-1 even if he disagreed with the later votes.

chip just read this. if you still think I should be pushed for whatever you're saying I contradicted myself with, then I'm sorry. I'm not gonna engage in the same weak ass push over and over again.

also, get lynched please.

See? You are still townreading me. This makes no sense as an appeal to scum.

Yet you are still voting me.

You've been conflicted in this way for a long time now. It doesn't look good.

I don't get where he's indicating he's townreading you in this post. I think he's just telling you to drop it cuz this push is kinda ridiculous and you're annoying him. I feel like you're ignoring the context (ie the timeline I posted above) in order to push this narrative.

p-edit (I'm a she)

[skitter30]

kinda think BBT is town reacting to chip btw

rest of your reads list is good skitter

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I still think BBT by himself is kinda scummy, but I noted that I don't think BBT/chip can be scum together.

[Toranaga]

oh skitter if you were always as analytical as that we'd have a different game in our hands now. I was almost checking out of the game mentally lol.

[Chip Butty]

Can you guys get a room please? Or get out of each other's pockets?

[humaneatingmonkey]

there wasn't even any fucking case against him, it was just lack of reads super early in the game. total bullshit pressure and I'd be hard scumreading both of you if I knew you enough to respect your games.

I have zero experience with a Miller best I can remember. The site I used to play at never used them that I recall.

So Wiki says they are a negative role and usually used to counter or lessen the power of the town cop. And the correct play is to claim early although it's debatable.

And I think a good argument has been made by both sides or at least I can see both sides.

I would hate to have to resolve the slot in LyLo tho. But my gut says scum wouldn't do this on D1.
As the Wiki says the claim usually gets lynched or night killed anyway. Or maybe that was one of you guys that said it.

I haven't found any reasonable argument against openclaiming. I wouldn't do it with certain player fields that I am confident to read me well, and I can see an argument for not claiming if you're trying to keep cop equity and if your kill create cop hunt cleared town. The fact is, claiming miller on later gamedays isn't as believable, and claiming miller after getting peeked scum will get you lynched everytime. Certain players with certain fields in certain games can play it in a different way, but this is not the game for that.

I wanna say this post is a little scummy. Bare in mind this is extremely thin, and I don't want to out all the reasons for it. But this is too much commentary instead of adding something to the discussion. Your post is fine otherwise, I get where you're coming from etc. Just think it comes more from scum than town.

this was the fucking reasoning I had for voting Havo

He hasn't refuted it. How can you reconcile these two posts? First he says it was a BS wagon, then he gives his reason for being on it.

If not for his hardclaim I'd be voting him.

Actually i might still be voting him, so

UNVOTE:

For now...

Yeah, but he was talking about WhyMafia's Miller claim. Why are you always misrepresenting shit?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fykus has claimed basically. Let's wagon Chip. VOTE: Chip Butty

[Toranaga]

I just skimmed Mulch's ISO and is pretty much exclusively pushing town. we should never lynch misère, for no other reason, because Mulch wants that.

[Toranaga]

yeah that's good. chip and mulch wagons FTW.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not reading that wall but why am I scummy?And why is misere only null?

The question is: why is Fykus only null?

[Chip Butty]

That's toal BS. Go back and read, if you're town. Otherwise, just keep on doing what you're doing.