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[PenguinPower]

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So, that's a thing.

Catching up.

[PenguinPower]

Someone want to give me a tl;dr on Gamma since he's the leading wagon?

[PenguinPower]

tbh it feels like ppl keep ignoring me.

@Ginngie

Did you read my points on Gamma?

@Math

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71688&user_select[]=28404

Meta I am referring to for Gamma.

And on Kingdom hearts respectfully not reading it. Gamma is a hyper poster. By the time I read all that my brain would be mush.

oof, that's a lot to go through. I'll look at it soon though.

Did Gamma handle claims throughout the game, or was there a point of significance you could direct me too?

@Massive

n/m I see what your point was when you made that statement.

I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?

@Lime

Your notes are hard to read. Can you pull the quotes most relevant to your current reads?

So Gamma isn't scum. Who is?

[PenguinPower]

You tracked both the N1 and N2 kill in the order that they were killed? Sounds about right...

Yes, where did Vecna go?

[PenguinPower]

Who do you think he targeted, Gin? I'm curious. I'll tell you if you're right or not

Why wouldn't you just say? Stupid to play games like this (as town).

[PenguinPower]

Critical to note: PenguinPower has not provided content since having replaced in. This can initially be excused by being a replacement near deadline. There is no such excuse now since PenguinPower should have been quite aware he'd live through the night and thus could provide analysis. I expect to be impressed with some immediate content because there is no excuse for its absence.

I actually have in regard to nancy after being prodded by mod, but your gimmick is distracting, so I'm gonna have to read during the day and not when I've had a few glasses of wine.

Your second point is assumed...not sure if you've played with me or not, but I don't really do in depth re-reads.

Also...I don't warrant a gimmick post?

[PenguinPower]

Lime in da coconut wins the award for rolefishing as a reaction to me claiming to know of another PR. No town aligned player should want me to reveal such information, except in conditions where doing so would solve the game. And I certainly didn't say or imply that.

Is this as simple as Gamma Emerald and Lime?


@Ginngie - I would really like to see actual explanation and analysis please. I have a hard enough time getting a read on you. Short declarative statements for posts don't help. Even if it seems absurdly self-evident to you, can you please explain the rationale for how you arrive where you do? If you do it for no other reason than to demonstrate some new tools to help me, then at least do it for that please?

Math is scum by association with nancy btw

I think there's a really good reason to assume not, but feel free to point out why I'm wrong.

VOTE: MathBlade

This is L-1

Not sure I understand the progression here

[PenguinPower]

I would vote Drixx right now.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Drixx

[PenguinPower]

So what makes anyone think I'm scum? Blank votes started by Gamma (who could easily have been hammered earlier, and was the consensus lynch until Math slipped) and PP (who replaced a totally empty slot) aren't exactly overwhelming here.

Do feel free to actually give some kind of cogent argument.

I voted you because I don't like your progression that led to you voting Math...I'm guessing you are ignoring that question.

Unvote <--- For example; I thought I saw mathblade slip. There's legit a quoted post where they refer to being scum openly and I was like "WTF weird for math to slip like that", but assumed it was the reason votes had shifted that way. But I went back and looked and Math was legit talking about another game for some reason. (When will smart people learn that whatever happened in another game with another setup with different people cannot accurately inform you about any specific later piece of information?).

Still ignored me, but you did at least explain it.

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

I realize I spearheaded a Drixx push, but nothing kills my interest in wagoning there faster than my primary and secondary suspects voting the wagon. Drixx is right:

You did? Where was your vote on the wagon? First, second, not at all?

The votes on him were opportunistic.

Not on my part.

[PenguinPower]

Are you going to give reads like ever?

Probably not...but I am weighing whether I should vote Drixx or you right now.

[PenguinPower]

If I remember correctly you only do it when you're trying to case someone right?

Pretty much. It's not hard set, but, yep.

[PenguinPower]

You've played two games with me (that I recall), and neither turned out well for you (one didn't for me because of your derp push on my slot). Two games is hardly enough for you to try and meta me, especially when I was town in both.

That said, there were also distinct differences in that game versus this one. (Also, show me where I provided my reads or cased anyone in that game. I don't do that except when I am doing rainbow reads for the lulz).

You act as if I am not providing any insight into my thoughts, which is flat out wrong. I just said that I'm trying to decide between you and Drixx right now. You are making that decision easier.

[PenguinPower]

I do like waffles. Chicken and waffles...mmmm.

It's not a threat. It's a declarative. I apparently do that as town.

[PenguinPower]

I asked you to case out your Math/Drixx read. Did you miss that?

No.

At the very least, I'm not casing anyone until I've decided where I want to go.

[PenguinPower]

Voting =/= pushing; pushing =/= voting. Most votes are pushes; most pushes have votes. But the two are not synonymous. I spearheaded a Drixx push, while holding off from voting him. (Admittedly I normally would be voting by now but I am treating today as if lylo when it comes to my vote. I have good reason to be cautious, because a mislynch is likely to cost the town the game and my vote would further the risk of that as I am not nearly confident enough in anything I have.)

A push without a vote is a wiggle room creator. At the very best, it's a weak push. It's not anywhere close to "spearheading."

[PenguinPower]

Ok.

[PenguinPower]

Um...ok.

You haven't played with me either then.

[PenguinPower]

Or are scum looking for a good mislynch. There's that too.

[PenguinPower]

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Woot.

[PenguinPower]

Ha! I missed that. Lime is trying to meta read me too. That's hilarious.

Math/Lime is not a thing most likely.

VOTE: Mathblade

Hate the above post. L-1 and things.

[PenguinPower]

They're a guilty pleasure of mine. I usually listen to 1989 on my long runs.

[PenguinPower]

However PP is not following his Town meta and it feels like he is being forced to decide between bussing or me.

Bussing is my scum meta.

[PenguinPower]

That this was clearly an afterthought shows how ridiculously scum PenguinPower's position was. His first thought was of defending himself. The thought of calling me possible scum never even occurred to him until after he had hit submit. (The two posts have the same minute timestamp, therefore he thought of it immediately after posting.) This reeks of him realizing he had made a mistake, and trying to hastily fix it.

Or stream of consciousness posting. Did you forget that is a thing?

[PenguinPower]

The closest is possibly Drixx-PenguinPower yet I'm incredibly unsure of this.

I'll lynch Drixx if you will.

[PenguinPower]

Do you read at all, Gamma?

[PenguinPower]

Then vote Drixx with me?

Honestly, the slot needs replacement because it's hard to get any type of interaction with other slots right now.

I think math/drixx...could be lime/drixx.

[PenguinPower]

Two, even if I take it at face value, the question then becomes why you were first focused on shooting down the idea of you being scum rather than focusing on the possibility of me being scum.

Only one that's relevant - because I wasn't seriously looking at you as scum at that point given I was focused elsewhere, and I know I'm not scum.

p-edit

I'm on Math. That's my pick.

[PenguinPower]

Lots of words for little content. Vote Drixx, I will. Don't, I won't.

I don't think you will. I was actually surprised Math did.

[PenguinPower]

I didn't ignore anything, but I'm pretty fed up with your gimmick.

I'm going to be V/La starting tomorrow night, so I'm going to lock in tomorrow morning.

p-edit

I still don't think it's both Math/Lime. Why do you?

[PenguinPower]

And who is voting Drixx?

[PenguinPower]

Like, I feel you are existing in your theoretical world and not paying attention to the actual gamestate.

[PenguinPower]

How ironic.

[PenguinPower]

How ironic.

that was directed at the gimmick.

[PenguinPower]

Honestly it feels more like a Drixx + PP team trying to do distancing, looking at PP's behavior towards lynching him
I'd vote Drixx but that would bring people willing to vote there to 4, and I'm not comfortable ending the day yet.

How does me wanting to vote Drixx at a level that would end the day come across as distancing?

[PenguinPower]

There is no push without a vote. I will never waver from that. It's all just words unless there is a vote.

[PenguinPower]

There is no push without a vote. I will never waver from that. It's all just words unless there is a vote.

I'm not denying pushing Drixx though - though you were "spearheading it."

[PenguinPower]

Misquote.

[PenguinPower]

Meh. Drixx/Math/Lime is my scum pool. I want to see what they do. Read me whatever what you want.

[PenguinPower]

I voted Drixx? Where did you?

[PenguinPower]

Ah, I see you may want to look into "tenses."

[PenguinPower]

Signing off.