Mini Normal 1940: The Apartment [Endgame]

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VOTE: Mulch

not rvs

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Bump is based off the PTs that you have access to.

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(it's not)

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I think scum has exactly 2 daychats

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It was a joke.

Am town!RC, pls give many towncreds.

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don't bus me please

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I think that this might be a scumcroc

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Well, if you're a towncroc, who are the scums?

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Tes could be scums!

I think Eddie is very probably scums.

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How come?

VOTE: Whymafia

A mod vote is useless if you're town.

And especially useless in RVS VOTE: TessXX

VOTE: firecrocer

What's the point of this vote?

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VOTE: Tesxx

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I mean I'm never unvoting you at this point. I've seen scum claim scum hundreds of times and town claiming scum only once. If you're town, don't claim scum then.

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Didn't feel RVS but you claimed scum anyway.

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Felt like a retaliatory vote, which doesn't feel very RVS to me. But given that you've hardclaimed scum I don't really care what you have to say.

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Much less interesting than you

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*hugs!*

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Firecrocer is super lynchbaity and the reasons that she has been pushed this game are awful and NAI.
The push on her has been explicitly because the reasons that she has given to vote others are /bad/ - not because of anything actually scummy that she has done.
While I don't personally agree with her views on RVS mod voting I think it's perfectly reasonable that she would hold the view that it's a bad thing.
Can we not be classic moron town who powertunnel people we disagree with and actually play the game?
Because I've read her correctly in every game and am leaning town on her right now and quite frankly all your reads on her fucking suck.

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@RC - You haven't voted me yet, and normally I'd call you out as scum for that, but I know we're trying to push past that stuff. We both have similar reaction testy playstyles. I'm likely about to hardcore tunnel Mulch if he doesn't explain himself better. You know me quite well. Do I ever try to fit in without progressing gamestate? Like, either alignment.

I'm taking no position on your alignment for the first few days.

I'll bounce reads on other people off of you if you're interested in doing that but at no point am I going to either push on you or defend you this early for /reasons/.

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Trying to get someone lynched for reasons that are awful is generally a scumtell because it is more likely scum trying to BS their way through a lynch than anything else. It isn't ALWAYS like this, some special circumstances it's different but that's my current opinion of firecrocer, that she's scum trying to push a BS lynch.

And you in all objectivity think that you are better at reading her to the point that you think she should be at L-1 unannounced when the only person who has multiple prior games with her here thinks that she's town? Because that's an awful position to hold so that should generally be a scumtell making YOU scum trying to BS your way through a lynch.

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VOTE: Tesxx

This can die in a fucking fire

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My issue with Croc is not that her reasoning is bad, is that its scummy. I know town can push things that are ultimately NAI. However she seems to be exaggerating the importance of such a vote. Whether its because of her definition of RVS or not, it's hard to believe she thinks something can be gained by scum or a third-party voting the mod. I don't see how even lynch bait or a new player can hold those views and with her unable to explain how doing nothing wins games so far, I'm incline to believe she's just bullshitting and trying to hold on to this as long as she can to not actually game solve.

Her claimed view is perfectly reasonable: by voting the mod you deny town information as to your RVS vote. It's by the book and bad, but not scummy.
I've had people push on me for the same reason and in the past when I was essentially unlynchable I would bait votes on me to try to read people by doing so.

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Trying to get someone lynched for reasons that are awful is generally a scumtell because it is more likely scum trying to BS their way through a lynch than anything else. It isn't ALWAYS like this, some special circumstances it's different but that's my current opinion of firecrocer, that she's scum trying to push a BS lynch.

And you in all objectivity think that you are better at reading her to the point that you think she should be at L-1 unannounced when the only person who has multiple prior games with her here thinks that she's town? Because that's an awful position to hold so that should generally be a scumtell making YOU scum trying to BS your way through a lynch.

Lol, she's not at L-1. You're pushing lies and utter BS on me.
VOTE: Radicantcowbells
Also, I have no way of knowing that YOU'RE town therefore I don't know if you're reading her right so idk really why you think I should listen to you over what

I

think is right.

W h e w lads you're really putting on the salt and vinegar chips today

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I don't recall putting Croc at L-1 unannounced.

Are you drunk RC?

Nah I just wanted to get people to unvote because I'm concerned that scum are trying to rush a mislynch today to nightkill me.

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Also, tesxx really is objectively obvious scum so we should be piling on here, thanks.

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I agree. I don't think that much is lost. But I can also look at this from Firecrocer's viewpoint and I find it at best unlikely that even with me talking you through it you're totally brick wall as to what Town!Firecrocer could possibly have been thinking when she made that vote. Feels like you're stonewalling me because you don't want to back down on a read for tactical reasons.

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Luv these are exactly the same reasons that were given in 1925 when Firecrocer got lynched, after I got nightkilled having her as locktown. She was town.

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I agree. I don't think that much is lost. But I can also look at this from Firecrocer's viewpoint and I find it at best unlikely that even with me talking you through it you're totally brick wall as to what Town!Firecrocer could possibly have been thinking when she made that vote. Feels like you're stonewalling me because you don't want to back down on a read for tactical reasons.

I do think it's possible that she's town. I just think it's unlikely. As I've explained.
I think scum!Firecrocer trying to use BS to lynch me is more likely than the town viewpoint she would have.

BS to lynch you? It's FUCKING RVS SHE HASN'T CLAIMED A COP GUILTY ON YOU OVER IT.

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I don't recall putting Croc at L-1 unannounced.

Are you drunk RC?

Nah I just wanted to get people to unvote because I'm concerned that scum are trying to rush a mislynch today to nightkill me.

Although why would scum rush a mislynch? Wouldn't that make them clearly obvious?

I mean I think that you're obvious scum with your shit tier push on Firecrocer but apparently that's not a universally agreed upon opinion so . . .

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I did say so: I said that there is a person here who is capable of reading Firecrocer and they think that she's town. That person is me.

There is also a large portion of the site who irrationally thinks that Firecrocer is scum or who roll scum and use her as a free mislynch because towns are shit, and that portion is called other people.

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I understand you have experience with her as well as meta. You do realize that others don't and some aren't going to view her play the same way in those games as you do if they bother to compare it to here right? Or that there are players that don't put much stock in meta?

I think if you want people to come around to town Croc, you need something better.

I don't think I need to do anything beyond what I've already done to be 100% sure that she doesn't get lynched while I'm alive.
If you want to be dumb and lynch her when I'm gone, that's your prerogative and I have no control over that.

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I haven't seen any push from Croc so I'm not sure where Tes is getting that from. I just see hard to believe reasoning.

So you agree that Tesxx is twisting what actually happened to help justify a shit push on Firecrocer? You should vote them with me then.

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I understand you have experience with her as well as meta. You do realize that others don't and some aren't going to view her play the same way in those games as you do if they bother to compare it to here right? Or that there are players that don't put much stock in meta?

I think if you want people to come around to town Croc, you need something better.

I don't think I need to do anything beyond what I've already done to be 100% sure that she doesn't get lynched while I'm alive.
If you want to be dumb and lynch her when I'm gone, that's your prerogative and I have no control over that.

Well this is my first encounter with her so I guess I can do some homework.

And I think you do? How can you have the "towns are shit" stance and not think you need to do more than usual?

...I've done enough. My job is done.
I don't think that I have anything more that I have to do today and I don't think spending more time committing to that townread will change people's actions when I'm dead.
Your issue is that you think that I am required for some reason to give reasons. I'm not, it doesn't give town any sort of benefit, my job is mostly done here.

Except I can see how one can see her explaining her reasoning as a push.

There's choices of words and phrases that show a clear malicious intent to frame the push in a bad way.

How did you forget or not know this? He just basically stated it like a minute ago.

This is called TesXX realizing that they're pushing a dead end and trying to find an excuse to back off of it.

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Postie drones did 9/11

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It's not

that's not why tesxx is scum

but I totally understand the line of reasoning Firecrocer went down for that vote and it's not difficult to understand.

Votes in RVS from a certain point of view give everyone information.
Votes on the mod in RVS obscure information.
Therefore, TesXX is scum because they're obscuring information.

It's bad reasoning. But it doesn't make Firecrocer scum.

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Also, I have no way of knowing that YOU'RE town therefore I don't know if you're reading her right so idk really why you think I should listen to you over what

I

think is right.

I'd also like an ACTUAL response to this EXPLAINING why you think this is wrong RC.

It's not about wrong or right it's about the fact that this is a super scummy way of asking the question and you're not talking to me like town who thinks I'm scum.

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Not pushing you today, obviously, but I'm not at all a fan of you agreeing that TesXX as scum and using it as leverage to push a case on someone else.

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Mulch I will lynch you if you try to push me as scum for defending Firecrocer. You should know better.

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Mulch I will lynch you if you try to push me as scum for defending Firecrocer. You should know better.

Link games where you have seen him be lynchbait.

1) it's a her
2) viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72508 is her only finished town game

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I find it uncomfortable that you're trying to argue with me about my townreads.

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That was also in a lobby with less people who jump on people for stupid reasons.

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If I'm not going to get the right to veto a single lynch on someone who has been lynched in every finished game that they've been in, for really shitty reasons in the game where they were town, I will start lynching the people fighting with me until I have that right. I don't really feel like I need to justify this townread so much.

This isn't about it being Firecrocer your collective push on her is fucking stupid no matter who it is. period. the end. it's bad.

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there's no shit to handwave.

the push on her is terrible. I'm not handwaving a slot: if there were legitimate reasons to scumread her I would consider them.
You're basically all just going 'well I personally disagree with her, even though someone else clearly spelled out the town process, so she's scum': aka being classic idiot town that I can't take seriously.
if there was a push on her that had merit I'd look into it. as is the case on her is that you disagree with her push so she's scum, and if that's the case I'm playing with a lot of scum.

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there's the implication in your posts that your push on her is a legitimate one that should be taken seriously. it isn't. there's no value in it. this is the kind of game where it's day 1 and I already know that town is going to lose because the collective idiocy is off the charts. tesxx is the kind of person who is actually scum and firecrocer is the kind of person who is town and has actual views so town piledrives them because people who are actually scummy aren't nearly as threatening as people who say something you disagree with

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Its not that I disagree, I think not being able to properly back up and go in-depth on how voting for the mods of games helps scum win-con implies bullshitting. Sure she could have just not thought about the reasoning from that point of view but she doesn't at least from this game strike me as completely dumb. She's most certainly capable of thought based on the beliefs and views she's shared so far. I think town would take more time to think about the scum motivation and quickly come to the conclusion that what Tes did isn't really worth going into.

SHE DID THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Firecrocer's vote was RVS
Nothing to retaliate against.

My vote on you was not RVS. Granted, it wasn't a hard scumread vote but it had rationale.

And how would it be useful for scum or a third-party to vote a moderator of a game?

Because by voting the mod you're a) not helping the game, and b) Not making a commitment that could put you under suspicion. It's a way of doing something while doing nothing.

I WASN'T LIKE PUTTING WORDS INTO HER MOUTH THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID.

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And yes, TesXX is obvscum in any universe.

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LIKE YOU ARE PUSHING SOME IMAGINARY REASONING WHERE SHE DECLARED THAT TESXX WAS TO BE IMMEDIATELY DAYVIGGED. THIS IS NOT BASED ON REALITY.
SHE VOTED SOMEONE WHILE STILL IN RVS OVER SOMETHING THAT SHE CONSIDERED A MINOR SCUMTELL. SHE DID NOT DECLARE THEM LOCKSCUM.

Want to know why town lost 205? this is why town lost 205.

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Okay. So you addressed that you

disagree

with her reasoning. I also

disagree

with her reasoning. Congratulations.

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No, she backed up that stance. In 153, and 154.

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I'm not sure why you're bringing up Large 205? I was town so I literally don't care that I lost.

If you don't care about trying to better yourself as town then don't argue with the people that actually do.

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No she didn't. At best she said why it's anti-town, not why scum benefit a lot from doing that.

You are arguing semantics. Firecrocer is perfectly entitled to believe that hiding information on yourself is beneficial as scum.
You disagreeing with her does not mean that her believing in her position from her point of view is untenable.

I don't think this discussion is going to go anywhere productive because you're not showing any willingness to try to look at it from Fire's PoV rather than your own.

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In an entirely simplistic frame of view, voting the mod -> town can't read anything from your vote -> scum is aided by it works. I don't see how you can make any effort to look at it from a viewpoint other than your own and not see that, though I haven't seen much effort elsewhere to see things from other people's PoVs as scum. Maybe that's why you got lynched in Divergent and blamed town, because you couldn't see why town saw the situation differently than you did as to why someone else should have been the day's lynch.

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I don't need anything to specifically make me believe that Firecrocer is town when I think you scumvoted her and every reason given as to why she's scum is bad.

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She's entitled to it and we as town are entitled for her to explain why it's actually scummy. This isn't hard.

She already has. You just determined that, since you don't agree with it, it's a lie and that she's scum for it.

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pedit: You keep bringing up old games and for what I don't know why. Town let scum claim Ascetic on Day 5 and live another day. That's not optimal.

You're making it clear that you're making no effort to look at things from other people's PoVs, only your own. Empathy is overpowered as town.
I'm showing you that it isn't just your town game that you're sabotaging, it's also your scum game when you aren't figuring out how town are operating.

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I mean I townread her in general, vaguely. I'm not super certain that she's town with no flip on you, but I trust my vague townread on her more than everyone else's confident scumreads.

No I'm not saying she lied. I'm saying that all those things are simply anti-town or NAI. I found her investment in it not only unreasonable, but unlikely.

Unlikely under the presumption that she thinks in the exact same way that you do: sure. but this reasoning will lead you off many cliffs in mafia games.

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Which goes back to what I've been saying this entire day phase: you aren't interested in the people that you understand but lynch the people that you don't.

Same song, different verse: you're lynching the people that think differently than you rather than the people who are objectively scummy. And I'm townreading neither Keyen nor Boon.

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Okay, then you should vote TesXX because they are someone that I find quite likely to flip scum here.

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I didn't say /all/ people that you understand. I'm saying that you, like the vast majority of mafia players, have a proclivity towards assuming that understanding someone is a towntell.
Look how many games I've been in where people locked me as town because I said something that aligned perfectly with their views. I was scum in tons of them.
Most people who are lynchbait, such as Titus, are lynchbait because their thought processes are so far outside the norm that people ascribe scum motivation to it.
They assume that, rather than them simply not understanding the person and that being NAI, the person could not actually believe what they claim and that they are scum for it.
This isn't the first time I've had this argument, it won't be the last, but -even if I totally didn't understand where Firecrocer was coming from- (I totally do) I wouldn't scumread her for it.

There are very, very few games where scum say stuff that blatantly doesn't make sense, knowing that it doesn't make sense, because they can't say anything that sorta makes sense.
There are tons of games where town says something that they think makes sense, no one agrees with them, and they get lynched for it.
Most scum put in the extra effort to make their views more palatable to the game at large which is why town winrates in the present climate of lynch everyone who disagrees with me are so piss poor: the scum make the effort to have popular views on things, town don't and get singled out and lynched for it.

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Why are you so laser focused on getting a specific answer that you have no ability to follow up on from someone that you think is scum?

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Ask me in scum PT

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rc... 299 you just described competent scum. if you're assuming all scums are competent that's a joke

299 described all scum. Even newbscum try to have views that the group will feel are reasonable. Town usually do not.

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Speaking of claiming scum, RC, did you actually think I was scummy for claiming scum?

Is it Scarab or Eddie that told you what I said in neighbourhood that made you ask this question?

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I mean I didn't, but I think that you knew that because someone in the neighbourhood to which I belong (which has daychat!) informed you in scumchat that I was largely reaction testing with that push. I think it's odd how you randomly went back and brought that up out of nowhere and how you seem to know I was insincere about it.

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Hell, I as 'competent scum' do not give a shit about having views that the group feels are unreasonable because I can do it in a way that will look towny, as in 'well RC wouldnt argue that if he was scum' as opposed to 'RC would never argue that as town' because I'm good at making my views seems real.

(this was in a post in a tab: I don't remember what this is a response to and I may have already responded to whatever it was elsewhere btu)

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Hey guys another Wolfy pop in I feel like tes and firecrocer are w/v

how did u no

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wolf/villager

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groupthink is a scumtell in theory but people tend to townread people who agree with them and people tend to scumread those who don't, and people are aware of that.

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Aware of that enough to as scum, agree with people, but not aware enough of it as town to get past their egos and recognize that their views aren't front and centre of the universe

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It's hard for people to recognize 'hey: my reads aren't as good as I would like them to be' and for them to go frmo there to learning to be better.

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just bus dude

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Note that eddie, with prompting, voted TesXX but mostly talked about other people and discredited the very same wagon it was on and as soon as he had a convenient place to put his vote he unvoted.

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Do you think that if I'm scum!RC you're going to win this game whether you sheep me today or not?

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i like tes pushing scum rc here because I thought the same thing. rc may be known for playing with constant rxn tests but that doesn't give him cred to spout whatever he wants.

rofl okay there buddy

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That isn't the question that I asked you. The question that I asked you is whether you think that, if I am in fact scum!RC, you have a chance of winning this game.

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My explanation is that you aren't a great scum player like you claim and that TesXX had an awful reaction.

You're both reacting extremely poorly to me here.

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That isn't the question that I asked you. The question that I asked you is whether you think that, if I am in fact scum!RC, you have a chance of winning this game.

I am excited to 1v1 scum rc. I am hoping you are scum, I want a challenge. i doubt I will win the 1v1, I do think I can at least do enough to ensure you get lynched the following day. depends on your team buy yes I have a chance of beating the legendary scum!rc

is this relevant?

Sure, but what if you're 1v1ing what you think is scum!RC and it's actually town!RC?

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My explanation is that you aren't a great scum player like you claim and that TesXX had an awful reaction.

You're both reacting extremely poorly to me here.

I'm not great. we can't all.be great like you I'm good though. i also think you don't know me at all if you think id allow my teammate to literally scum slip like your narrative would be.

Dude I would probably have let something like that slide. Then I'd be there in scum chat being like ARE YOU A LITERAL GREAT FOOL BECAUSE THAT WAS A MOVE OF A GREAT FOOL.
Then I'd walk away from it: I wouldn't have felt the need to specifically warn my partner of something that common sense and I note that there's never any point where it was explicitly addressed.
Rather, it feels like the way things turned out indicated that he knew. He didn't specifically say 'HEY YOU DONT REALLY SCUMREAD ME', he out of nowhere asked if it was a real scumread.

Feels weird and in a way that feels genuine scum.

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I don't really care for you to reply to anything. I find it really weird that you're defending yourself against pre-flip associatives before the person has even flipped scum and while you have indicated that you don't really think they're scum.

Getting my thoughts on paper in case I get nightkilled so.

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ctually maybe not because 11k posts is only like 3 games for him

oh my fucking god destroyed

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UNVOTE:

So I read Skitter's last, thought it was scummy as hell, tried to reread it because my narrative on the game is way better with skitter as town, still thought it was skitterscum, then tried a third time and still thought it was skitter was scum. So uhh I'm not at all a fan of your last few posts Skitter.

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And? What did you learn from this exactly? It kinda seems like once you saw that saying your Fire vote was RVS wasn't really flying over that well, you felt like you needed to come up with some other reason for your vote, so you just went with, uh, reaction testing. Yeah, that's it. You were reaction testing.

Also, not really sure what the purpose of his literal scumclaim was. I'd guess it was another reaction test, although, tbh, I'm not really sure why either alignment does that.

I'm also not sure why he spent like 15 posts asking why RC is townreading Fire. Feels like he's looking for a case to try to pick apart, and was getting frustrated that he was just being shut down without being given the opportunity to continue his push on her.

Can you link me a town game where you talk in this manner? With the italics and shit because it feels really fake and posturey to me.

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Ehh you have a short game history I'll just read every single game you've played.

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Yeah, you're fucking obvtown in 730.

VOTE: Skitter30

if you really <3ed me you would have rolled town

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CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKERS

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Wow boons is being halpful

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not as easy as your mom's wagon

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you're setting up these your mom jokes

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that feels like it could easily be a bus vote fyi

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sheep rc, boonskiies is shit and his reads are awful

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now THIS is a nice meme

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neither have I, qt3.14159

I'll talk to them when they show up.

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that one post made me hurl

I'm not backing off of them without further discourse

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it's the -way- they talked about the reaction test. super posturey

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rather do tesxx?

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UNVOTE:

Bad feeling about skitter atm

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Aaa goddamnit

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VOTE: Tesxx

gonna get on the wagon that Eddie Cane is not on I guess

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If it's Boon/TesXX the last is definitely Eddie.

I'd buy it tbh.

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fuck off

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you vote me I make 100% sure you are the lynch today

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then you shouldn't be voting me

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then you shouldn't be voting me

What if your scum? Your defense of firecrocer is way over exaggerating, imo.

i defend my townreads

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not having this conversation

VOTE: Eddie Cane

this is definitely scum regardless of what anything else is.

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yes I still feel pretty confident that skitter is scum

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VOTE: Skitter30

still want this mroe

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Wait but first

not having this conversation

VOTE: Eddie Cane

this is definitely scum regardless of what anything else is.

VOTE: Skitter30

still want this mroe

What?
I don't even know who to vote right now.
UNVOTE:

I thought you thought I was scum. Why would you be voting where I want you to vote?

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boon we can be friends but only if you revote skitter

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VOTE: secret agent Jin


Let's flashwagon this

no, you need to fucking stop.

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Mulch I'll lynch you today if I have to.

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The wagons that aren't Skitter are bad and the people on them should feel bad

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Skitter wagon feels like it's based on fear.

the fuck is this supposed to mean?

I'm not scared of Skitter.

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....?

Why should I be scared of Skitter30?

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....?

Why should I be scared of Skitter30?

Why are you asking me?

You have declared that you believe that I am voting Skitter30 because I am scared of her.

I'm asking you why you believe that I would be scared of her. I'm also curious what in the actual game has convinced you that that is a reasonable viewpoint to hold.

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From where I'm standing, RC is scared of Skitter is a pretty extraordinary claim given that I'm not scared of, like, anyone. As either alignment. So I'm expecting some sort of evidence for that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay?

Not really sure why you care unless you feel my motivation for discrediting the wagon is coming from scum.

If you have an excuse not to vote someone that I think is scum that doesn't make sense in my eyes, why would I not care? I do care.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that I have ever been a player who tries to keep others down when they try to rise. I've gone out of my way to try to help others improve, I've written articles, given more advice to newbies as an SE than the vast majority of ICs, when I was scum with Skitter we had like a 20 page scum topic, I've always taken an interest in newbies that people say are really good at scum, etc. The implication is that I would be jealous of Skitter. While I can't verify whether, from your point of view, it's true or false: it holds no water from my point of view. I'm not afraid of being 'unseated' and I have a great deal of respect for people, new or otherwise, who try to git gud.

I really do hope that this is scum you creating an excuse.

[RadiantCowbells]

As I recall, I haven't provided a case.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hell, the only people voting her are me and Boonskiies. SAJ is technically voting her but he's been voting her since RVS so it doesn't really count. You think that what you said applies to Boon's vote?

[RadiantCowbells]

I was talking to LUV. As far as I can tell I haven't provided a case besides to say that 'Skitter was obvtown in a past game and isn't here' and to call out a case with no specific details as to why I think she's scum. I think his knee jerk rejection of the wagon feels really bizarre here and I feel 100% confident in saying it's not based on anything in this game. I think it's either scum defense or some sort of out of game grudge.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would love to talk to you about this

[RadiantCowbells]

TesXX, this is sort of how I play. I will at some point produce a case but if Skitter's gonna be on later to talk about the game I'd rather not pass judgement before I get a chance to get a better read.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't get that claim at all. I've played with her, I was scumbuddies with her in scumhunter's speed where we crushed the game. I feel like I know her play better than anyone else here and that should be reasonably agreed on. I'm also starting to get the feeling that TesXX is town, and I'm not sure where I stand on Mulch so much happier with Skitter.

[RadiantCowbells]

yes I do.

[RadiantCowbells]

...because you know full well that when I call someone scum then scumreads start appearing on that person. And that's neither fear indicative nor alignment indicatives, it's just life.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm also starting to get the feeling that TesXX is town,

What happened to me being obvscum?

I changed my mind.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like I've seen people who play like you before and they've usually been town. Not much else that I can say to support that change of read.

Da fuck? Regardless of my allignment you said and you have a God read on me

Don't have a read on you yet, no.

[RadiantCowbells]

What's your read on me? Why should I believe that you're town here, Skitter?

[RadiantCowbells]

Man

RC asking for evidence is not town RC but honestly I don't know

u

don't know

what town rc looks like

(assuming you're town)

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter respond to me plserino.

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter I find it -really- hard to believe that you would push me being town for not being agenda-y after what happened last time someone used that reasoning on me.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I'm alive to D3, cop me N3.

I don't need another game where cop cops me the same night I die.

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter's response has made me feel a lot more confident that she's scum rather than the other way around, for the record.

[RadiantCowbells]

Your read on me just doesn't feel real. I already scumread you but your read on me is just, can't really buy that coming from you as town. Feels forced and dishonest.

[RadiantCowbells]

Idk. Why should I townread you here? I don't want to mislynch you

[RadiantCowbells]

Fucking boonskiies keeping a dumbass vote on me is a scum claim

Boon your gonna keep a day 1 one liner and not expand your reads for the rest of the game, huh? Your 100% I'm scum?

I guess it was just these posts. Still, I think they're incredibly dumb considering I hadn't posted since before.

I don't even know if I think Mulch is scum here or just hysterical town at this point. Honestly, that's why I've become so disinterested in this game. Like, I give all my reasons, I explain everything, but it really doesn't matter because anything I say just gets pushed away pointlessly anyways. I don't see this game changing in that sense at all.

I thought that you supported the Skitter lynch?

[RadiantCowbells]

That thing?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm sorry! I can't help it.

[RadiantCowbells]

asdf =[

UNVOTE:

[RadiantCowbells]

Where next, RC?

why are you letting me just vote wherever?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Eddie Cane

tbh we should always have been here but

[RadiantCowbells]

you've been lynched as csum tho

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter, don't shoot me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean you're clearly trying to gradually erode townreads on me, regardless of your alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

My reads are going to be meh until I get a good night's sleep.

I want to stick with the reads I had while I wasn't like 10 hours of sleep debt down.

[RadiantCowbells]

self meta is amazing i do it all the time

[RadiantCowbells]

No, anti pre flips. "If a is scum, b is scum" when a is town

i do this too everyone does this lol

[RadiantCowbells]

i do actual preflips. only a noob wouldn't do actual preflips because then it becomes a tell lol

[RadiantCowbells]

i do actual preflips. only a noob wouldn't do actual preflips because then it becomes a tell lol

Maybe I'm changing it up now and am scum

yes

[RadiantCowbells]

if this is svs can u please stop

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter if you're town let's talk reads?

[RadiantCowbells]

What are your reads? can I get like a readslist?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm tired of dreaming out loud~

[RadiantCowbells]

I was just lyricing

[RadiantCowbells]

The readslist =[

Can I get one from Firecrocer as well?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why are you worried about me pocketing Fire but not me pocketing Scarab?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh I pocketed her because she belongs to my PT as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you think that LUV's case for why you're town might have just been fucking weird because he was scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

YOUR MOM WAS THE FUCKING MAIN WAGON

[RadiantCowbells]

i answered ur question dummy

[RadiantCowbells]

although she does look like sasquatch

[RadiantCowbells]

wow boon is ignoring me

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, presumably as scum he sort of wants to white knight your wagon for towncred because he knows that you're town and that's the reason he ends up coming with?
It may have been an attempt to buddy you and to simultaneously try to turn you against me. I really don't get the reasoning coming from either alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not NAI because I think that as one alignment you're more likely to say something that makes no sense because you're scum making it up.

I'm not saying that you're scum making it up, I'm just saying that it seems pretty likely.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's possible!

So if you're town, who is scum?

It's more likely that I'm just town here who came to a conclusion in an unorthodox way. Not really new for me.

More likely is a little weak, no?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think I will lynch Mulch today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe Fykus is just scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean he's sort of obvscummed already. That intent to hammer was awful.

[RadiantCowbells]

I had all 3 scum pinned and you guys quicklynched before I could get a lynch.

Then despite the fact that I spent the ENTIRE day both in hood and outside of it calling Eddie Cane scum you... didn't lynch him, then used my retracted scumread on TesXX as a reason to lynch him.

Don't selectively cite my reads when they agree with yours and ignore them when they don't.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not bah at all. Scum played well.

Frankly they didn't: but town played worse.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I can call the entire scumteam D1 then scum really didn't play well. Just that town played worse.

[RadiantCowbells]

Point out where you called out all three as scum together plskthx.

Maybe next time, if your reads are so good, focus more on trying to stay alive to convince all of us bad town players.

???

Right I'll just stay alive when I happened to rand the role that deterred making the obvious nightkill and got strongmanned

[RadiantCowbells]

Why did Skitter get lynched for claiming Vig? Because I powerwagoned her and forced her to claim on Day 1.
I spent the entire game calling Eddie scum.

Boonskiies I never said out loud and in fact hinted that I was townreading him in hood chat to deter Eddie from NKing me because I thought they might kill SKitter instead, but nope.

[RadiantCowbells]

when you see the scum thread you'll see I was trying to get you to scum read me, it was part of my game plan. also, I was busy irl for half of d1 which was annoying but it worked out.

congratulations you succeeded. except if town hadn't fucking gone on a bender and quicklynched mulch you'd have died for it.