Micro 744 - Nano-Multiball (Game Over)

[Luca Blight]

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't actually believe there was stuff to be proactive about and just wanted to make things happen.
But if you're serious then you might be a tad bit crazy.

Is making things happen not the very definition of being proactive?

You're now discrediting me by calling me 'crazy' instead of responding reasonably to my concern by either a) pointing out where you were in fact being proactive or b) explaining why you weren't being proactive.

[Elliberetta]

You're calling lack of proactivity alignment indicative which is crazy and deserves to be discreditted.

[Luca Blight]

Of course it's alignment-indicative, especially in this set-up.

As scum you don't care who is lynched, as long as it's not yourself, so you will be happy to wait until someone is wagoned/suspected.

As Town, it is our job to find the correct two people, otherwise we risk lynching our own and losing the game.

[Elliberetta]

Even assuming being proactive is good, there was absolutely nothing to talk about for most of the prior page. See, I appreciate you doing this even though your opinions are wrong, because there's stuff we and other people can discuss now.

However, your opinion is also wrong in general because assuming being proactive (honestly or disingenuously) is the best way for each individual to scumhunt isn't true. Some town players are better at being catalysts, some are better analyzing results because of catalysts, some are better at judging if other peoples reads are correct, some are better at doing other things or a combination of things. I suspect you're being honest in your view points and your theoretical view of mafia is just kinda narrow minded though. You should think about it some.

[Luca Blight]

You were being questioned by HS but didn't question him back or try to discover his intentions behind the questions - it was an opportunity to be proactive and try to get a read on someone and you didn't take it.

If you 'suspect I'm being honest in my view', is that to say you Townread me?

[Elliberetta]

This is what I meant by theoretical narrow-mindedness. You think me going "Yo, why do you care, what do you hope to learn?" would have been a way for me to have tried to read him. Sure, I can buy that, it may or may not work for you. However, I'll be do things be my own way and didn't feel like engaging in that discussion - I think I would have learned at most marginally more than if I asked him how the weather was. There'll eventually be a sufficient amount of things to talk about, picking and choosing is practical and important too.

And no, I don't think you being honest about your theoretical viewpoints is alignment-indicative.

[BTD6_maker]

Day 1 VC 2

Luca Blight: Human Sequencer
Vaxkiller: TywinL
Elliberetta: Vaxkiller

Not Voting: Luca Blight, Elliberetta

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-09 07:30:00)

I realised that I had edited the previous VC instead of posting a new one.

At deadline, Luca Blight would be lynched.

With 5 players, it's 3 to lynch!

[Human Sequencer]

luca, Eli doesn't want to be proactive, and that doesn't necessarily make him scum.
i think he's trying to observe for the moment

Eli, please try to condescend a little less
so far nothing Luca has said has made me feel he's any crazier, dumber or scummier than you, just different with a different approach to the game

[Luca Blight]

I didn't say it necessarily makes her scum - if I thought that I would have voted her.

Rightly or wrongly, it just stuck out as someone trying to enter into the game without making much of a splash.

[Human Sequencer]

The sort of entrance I would expect from nervous scum.

idk dude looks pretty obviously like you were trying to call her scum, unless you wanna get semantic which would be dumb
there was also that time u accused her of discrediting

can you think of town motivations to enter the game without a splash in the manner eli has

[Luca Blight]

The sort of entrance I would expect from nervous scum.

idk dude looks pretty obviously like you were trying to call her scum, unless you wanna get semantic which would be dumb

It certainly wouldn't be

dumb

to

get

semantic

if you're going to twist my words out of context.

Saying something looks scummy is different from saying that person must

necessarily

be scum, which is the wording you used in your previous post.

there was also that time u accused her of discrediting

She admitted to discrediting me in 26.

can you think of town motivations to enter the game without a splash in the manner eli has

Not town 'motivations' as such, but are you really asking me '

could Town enter the game in such a way'

? Obviously the answer is yes; it could be a player that lacks confidence or adopts an alternative playstyle, as has been discussed, but it doesn't excuse the possibility it could also be scummy - which is why I probed further.

What are your thoughts on Eli's entrance, HS?

[Human Sequencer]

oh no it's dumb semantics ;-;

we both know what I meant. i didn't twist your words out of context, i directly quoted them. the difference between "you are acting like nervous scum" (which is precisely what you said) and "you are necessarily be scum" is semantic and dumb
would you please clarify on your read, are you pushing them or just probing?

as for thoughts I don't really have much
trying to feel out their personality rn

[Luca Blight]

oh no it's dumb semantics ;-;

we both know what I meant. i didn't twist your words out of context, i directly quoted them. the difference between "you are acting like nervous scum" (which is precisely what you said) and "you are necessarily be scum" is semantic and dumb

No, it isn't

semantic and dumb

, because it's a completely different meaning.

My quote:

The sort of entrance I would expect from nervous scum.

Means that, based on the entrance, that person appears scummy. The key word being '

appears

' i.e. not certain. As I mentioned before, that entrance could be made by Town also.

Your version of my quote:

"you are necessarily be scum"

Means that unquestionable, that person is scum. The word 'necessary' is definitive.

would you please clarify on your read, are you pushing them or just probing?

as for thoughts I don't really have much
trying to feel out their personality rn

At the risk of even more '

dumb semantics

' can you make a distinction between the two?

I guess pushing is the same as probing, only stronger? In which case I'd say I was indeed 'probing' on this occasion.

[Vaxkiller]

I think one of luca/elib are scum. Maybe both. I've never seen such deep conversations on page 2!

[Luca Blight]

I think one of luca/elib are scum. Maybe both. I've never seen such deep conversations on page 2!

That's some pretty strange logic.

Why would having a 'deep conversation' mean either one or both of us are scum?

[TywinL]

I think one of luca/elib are scum. Maybe both. I've never seen such deep conversations on page 2!

This doesn't sit right with me.

[TywinL]

Also, I like Luca's push on Eli, but I am not really scumreading Eli because it could just be a playstyle thing.

[Luca Blight]

1. This game uses plurality lynching mechanics. If a simple majority of players agree on a lynch prior to deadline, that lynch will occur. Otherwise, at deadline the player with the most votes is lynched.

Ties are broken by seniority of the last vote.

The number of players required to lynch will be in all vote counts. In the event that no one votes for an entire Day, I will randomly lynch a Townie.

Surely this means the player with the last vote would be lynched?

@Mod

- can you clear this up?

The rule states that seniority is given to the last vote in result of a tie, so why would it be me who'd be lynched at deadline when I was voted first, not last?

[Vaxkiller]

I think one of luca/elib are scum. Maybe both. I've never seen such deep conversations on page 2!

That's some pretty strange logic.

Why would having a 'deep conversation' mean either one or both of us are scum?

There is literally nothing to be analyzed so deeply, this conversation between you two seems contrived.

[BTD6_maker]

1. This game uses plurality lynching mechanics. If a simple majority of players agree on a lynch prior to deadline, that lynch will occur. Otherwise, at deadline the player with the most votes is lynched.

Ties are broken by seniority of the last vote.

The number of players required to lynch will be in all vote counts. In the event that no one votes for an entire Day, I will randomly lynch a Townie.

Surely this means the player with the last vote would be lynched?

@Mod

- can you clear this up?

The rule states that seniority is given to the last vote in result of a tie, so why would it be me who'd be lynched at deadline when I was voted first, not last?

Seniority is based on the last vote on each wagon. The last vote in your wagon was cast earlier than the other last votes so you would be lynched at deadline. If a wagon reached its present size by an unvote, it has higher priority than wagons that reached their present size by a vote.

[Luca Blight]

I think one of luca/elib are scum. Maybe both. I've never seen such deep conversations on page 2!

That's some pretty strange logic.

Why would having a 'deep conversation' mean either one or both of us are scum?

There is literally nothing to be analyzed so deeply, this conversation between you two seems contrived.

It's called pulling the game out of RVS - what is the scum motivation behind that exactly?

And '

contrived

'? That implies we're a scumteam, which is impossible in this set-up.

[Vaxkiller]

oh

[Vaxkiller]

Let me rethink this then.

[Human Sequencer]

vax, tywin, we don't really have the time to sit around doing nothing

vax, do you expect me to believe your backpedal on the luca slot? you claimed "one of them are scum, maybe both". both was a "maybe". so surely there must be something that lead you to scumread them independently, not just 'it looks contrived?

tywin, what do you think about Elli disappearing after being put under pressure?

Luca, i can reconcile that there is a difference there when both statements are taken strictly literally. I also think this conversation is not helping us.

[TywinL]

It's NAI. For all we know, Elli logged off after making her last post.