What do you mean? People were asking me to claim my role, we were all claiming our roles
I'm confused as to what it is you think I did wrong with my claim.
Stuff like this just it really rubs me the wrong way it feels like you're upset that I can't look at dif outcomes like you thought I should do no reading and just blindly vote skirt you say you don't want to be selfish in this same quote wall but would you not say what you're doing here is very selfish
No, and this kind of annoys me, I don't understand exactly what you're saying but it sounds like you think I'm trying to make you feel bad if you vote me? I made it clear I wouldn't be upset if you did, and let me make it clear now that I'm not doing that (as either alignment).
In post 5420, Mary Saotome wrote:Why is the strongman thought weird when gerry is the one who brought it up in the first place? What is weird about this vote count what am I missing?
It's weird that he said 2-shot strongman. The votecount would be all town if I'm mafia.
In post 5420, Mary Saotome wrote:The whole arguement to this is you never had to prove your role in the first place and I think you very well knew this no one was going to ask to to jail the gs or the vig because that would take away clears you were put in a spot where you had to do something in order to not die your pr claim came out of left field and feels to be more like a "what can I claim to live longer" more then something that makes sense to me Does a Jk make sense with a strong man? Yes it sure does but is the jk a thing? I have no idea.
It doesn't take away clears if I blocked the vig, though, I think that's what we should have done. What we should have agreed on. I feel like you hammered the lynch before I had a chance to say anything about what we were doing so that's not really my bad? Like if we discussed it longer maybe we would have came to the conclusion that I should jailkeep the vig.
I don't think the other stuff about me having to claim to survive is fair. Can you take a step back; I feel like it's more likely based on my claim and actions that I am town than scum but you are paranoid of me and see so many possibilities for everything I've done. Does my play make sense as town?
I think Yumeko's defenses are really strange but there are also some tells Yumeko is doing that I've only seen from town her that makes me very iffy I don't really have much to ask you because nothing really comes to mind. This isn't to say I don't have my doubts but I can't really think of much at the moment.
I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
In post 5426, Mary Saotome wrote:I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
I never argued against being vigged, did you think otherwise? I just wrote about that too.
I think it is slightly more advantageous for me to be checked by a gunsmith in that situation as I have a repeatable action, but I didn't argue that in my position. I'm telling you my thought process.
In post 5426, Mary Saotome wrote:I think Yumeko's defenses are really strange but there are also some tells Yumeko is doing that I've only seen from town her that makes me very iffy I don't really have much to ask you because nothing really comes to mind. This isn't to say I don't have my doubts but I can't really think of much at the moment.
I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
Have I done anything scummy in your eyes, or are you just having trouble believing skirt skirt is mafia?
Game 1496: The Cash Cabd
Moderator: Cabd
Current Update: Town Win
Players
notscience replaces Fegelein, Mafia Encryptor, lynched Day 4
Titus replaces FuDuzn who replaced Banksys Flareon, Vanilla Townie, survives
GuyInFreezer replaces Sound of Silence, Town Compulsive One-Shot Neighborizer, survives
Rail Tracer, Town Odd-Night Cop, survives
artemiskitty, Vanilla Townie, survives
Cephrir replaces Ranawey who replaced Humble Poirot, Town Compulsive Even-Night Hider, died Night 2
Brian Skies, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 3
beastcharizard replaces Mario and the Diamonds, Vanilla Townie, survives
Rebel Without a Pulse, Town Miller Doctor, survives
ProHawk replaces Mogamma who replaced HopefullyCynical, Vanilla Townie, survives
Natirasha replaces Saki, Mafia One-Shot Strongman, lynched Day 2
Daniel Bryan replaces zakk, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1
Dessew, Vanilla Townie, died Night 1
Mini 1559: The 80s!
Moderator: toolenduso
Current Update: Town Win
Players
DOMO, Town Two-Shot Day Gun Inventor, died night 3
Elyse, Town Jailkeeper, survived
Egg, Town Cop, died night 2
farside22, Vanilla Townie, survived
Rhinox, Vanilla Townie, survived
havingfitz replaced Klick who replaced Kcdaspot, Mafia Two-Shot Strongman, lynched day 4
kushm4sta, Vanilla Townie, survived
skitzomaniak, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
pisskop, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
SiX replaced GuyInFreezer, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Jake from State Farm, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
bjc, Mafia Rolecop, lynched day 2
evilpacman18, Vanilla Townie, died night 2
Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery
Moderator: BipolarChemist
Current Update: Mafia Win
Players
Cheery Dog replaced Boonskiies, Vanilla Town, lynched day 5
Aneninen, Vanilla Town, died night 5
Misaka Network, Vanilla Town, lynched day 2
sthar8 replaced BroodKingEXE, Vanilla Town, endgamed day 6
chaoslord54, Town Tracker, died night 3
evilpacman18, Vanilla Town, lynched day 6
Riddleton Replaced Antihero) who replaced Jakuzure Nonon, Vanilla Town, lynched day 3
Guyett replaced Super Mario, Mafia Strongman, survived
don_johnson, Town Jailkeeper, died night 2
startfromtheheart, Town Bodyguard, died night 4
Konowa, Mafia Traitor, lynched day 4
Chevre, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
reinoe, Vanilla Town, died night 1
Mini 1757
Moderator: BulletNLynchproof
Current Update: Town Win
Playerlist
Zulfy, Town Mason, survived
Alchemist21, Vanilla Townie, survived
Madonna, Vanilla Townie, survived
Nosferatu, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
droog replaced Chumba, Mafia Goon, lynched day 6
BlueBloodedToffee, Town Mason, died night 1
Golden Robster replaced Performer, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 5
UpTooLate, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Dwlee99, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
Bitten10minutesago replaced Heat, Mafia 1-shot Strongman, lynched day 4
RadiantCowbells replaced Albert B. Rampage, Town Jailkeeper, died night 5
TheCow, Vanilla Townie, died night 2
Boonskiies, Town Motion Detector, survived
Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood
Moderator: DiamondSentinel
Current Update: Mafia Win
Playerlist
Dwlee99, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 4
Ricastle, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
Some Random Mafia Player, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
Aristophanes, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Persivul replaced Skullmaster4, Mafia Goon, survived
hasta_la_pasta, Town Doctor, endgamed day 4
Garmr, Town Tracker, died night 3
Nosferatu, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, survived
droog replaced DrCirno, Mafia 1-Shot Roleblocker, survived
Antihero replaced JohnnyFarrar, Town Cop, died night 2
Number_0ne, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
insanity018, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
Lowell, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 4
Mini 1796 | May 13th
Moderator: Creature
Current Update: Mafia Win
Mini Normal 1823
Moderator: mhsmith0
Current Update: Mafia Win
Playerlist
Xkfyu, vanilla townie, Endgamed day 4
Lowell, vanilla townie, killed night one
Vedith replaced eagerSnake, mafia encryptor, lynched day three
xSoniaNevermindx, mafia 1-shot strongman, survived
Transcend, vanilla townie, lynched day one
BlackStar, mafia goon, survived
TierShift, vanilla townie, lynched day four
algebra, town doctor, killed night two
gerryoat, town tracker, lynched day two
Mimikyu, vanilla townie, killed night three
texcat, town vigilante, killed night three
dwlee99 replaced Zyf, town 1-shot bulletproof, endgamed day 4
Saru, vanilla townie, killed night two
Mini Normal 1825
Moderator: Accountant
Current Update: Over [awaiting archiving]
Playerlist
Glitch, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
House replaced gameplay506, Mafia Neapolitan, lynched day 3
BlueBloodedToffee replaced Comparing Realities, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 6
Saru, Mafia Night One Strongman, lynched day 5
Titus replaced pitoli, Vanilla Townie, died night 4
Expedience replaced Naomi-Tan, Town Jailkeeper, died night 2
Dierfire, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
rb, Vanilla Townie, endgamed
SpyreX replaced RyanK, Town One-Shot Vigilante, died night 5
MathBlade replaced golden009, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
Chuck, Mafia Goon, won
camn replaced Cass, Town Rolecop, died night 3
Martha Zolanski, Town Doctor, died night 1
Mini Normal 1848
Moderator: keyenpeydee
Current Update: Ended [Awaiting archiving]
Playerlist
Road Kamelot replaced MisaTange, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
ArcAngel9 replaced ThinkBig, Town Jailkeeper, survived
Toto, Mafia Goon, lynched day 2
Nero Cain replaced Lohikäärme, Mafia Goon, lynched day 4
Drone, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, lynched day 1
rb replaced DeathByWobbuffet replaced copper223, Vanilla Townie, survived
Human Sequencer, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
MortFeld, Vanilla Townie, survived
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, survived
TwoFace, One-Shot Town Vigilante, killed night 2
Naomi-Tan, Vanilla Townie, survived
ChaosOmega, Town Odd Night Cop, survived
Shadow_step rep. Creeps20, Vanilla Townie, survived
Mini 1860
Moderator: eagerSnake
Current Update: Game Over [Awaiting Archiving]
Playerlist
PsychoticDave, Town Doctor, killed night 1
keyenpeydee, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
TwoFace, Vanilla Townie, survived
JarJarDrinks, Town Roleblocker, killed night 3
Gamma Emerald, Town Vigilante, survived
-Grey-, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, lynched day 2
ssbm_Kyouko, Town 1-Shot Commuter, killed night 2
havingfitz replaced Vijarada, Vanilla Townie, survived
gerryoat, Mafia Watcher, lynched day 4
Tywin Lannister, Town Cop, killed night 2
CloudKicker GreyIce replaced Gear, Mafia Roleblocker, killed day 4
Raskolnikov, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, killed night 4
Spoiler:
Mini 1873
Moderator: mastina
Current Update: Game Over (Awaiting Archiving)
Player list
shannon, Town JOAT (Doctor, Jailkeeper, Bodyguard), endgamed
BlueBloodedToffee, Vanilla Townie, killed night 3
TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaced nydushermain, Town JOAT (Cop, Gunsmith, Neapolitan), endgamed
LicketyQuickety, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
Titus, replaced Pepchoninga, Town JOAT (Tracker/Follower/Motion Detector), lynched day 4
Lexa, Mafia JOAT (Ninja, Strongman, Roleblocker), survived
karnos,
Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
ThinkBig replaced KTthecreeper, Vanilla Townie, killed night 4
Alisae, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Garmr, Vanilla Townie turned Neutral Survivor, modkilled day 4
XnadrojX, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
All Alone, Town JOAT, killed night 2
PranaDevil, Mafia Goon, survived
Mini 1892
Moderator: drealmerz7
Current update: Over [Awaiting Archiving]
Player List
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, killed night 2
ThinkBig replaced momo, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
Desully, 2-Shot Town Vigilante, killed night 2
FrankJaeger, 1-Shot Strongman 1-Shot Bulletproof Serial Killer, survived
Superhans, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
JaeReed replaced nancy replaced ConManMick, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, killed night 4
Nero Cain, Mafia Goon, lynched day 3
LicketyQuickety, Town Bodyguard, lynched day 1
alban, 2-Shot Mafia Roleblocker, killed night 1
Creature replaced bjc0303, Town Compulsive Bodyguard, killed night 2
Fart, Town Jailkeeper, killed night 1
Ms Columbo, Vanilla Townie, killed night 3
horrordude0215, Town Jailkeeper, killed night 4
Mini Normal 1925
Moderator: Dierfire
Current Update: Game Over [Awaiting Archiving]
Player List:
Robbnva, Town Citizen, survived
Creature, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 3
DrumBeats, Town Role Cop, killed night 4
Zachstralkita, Town Neighboriser, killed night 5
Ircher, Town Universal Backup, killed night 1
RadiantCowbells replaced MartinNikolai, Town Citizen, killed night 3
MarioManiac4, Town Citizen, survived
Gratiae, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 4
firecrocer, Town Citizen, lynched day 5
Dunnstral replaced Formerfish, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 6
Elena Fisher, Town Citizen, lynched day 1
Flavor Leaf replaced ThinkBig, Town Citizen, lynched day 2
Wake88, Town Loyal Cop, killed night 2
So the reason I said 2 shot strongman is because in my experience 2 shot is the most common modifier for a weak setup like this. But, here's some background. Out of the strongman in the normal archives, there's:
9 1 shot
1 2 shot
1 unlimited
1 JoaT
plus a game where all 3 mafia are just unlimited strongmen instead of goons as an aesthetic kinda thing.
So, to be clear, Yumeko claimed he jailkept me. Based on history, its actually very likely mafia strongman was 1 shot (far more likely than I remembered, and notedly more likely when the only protective is a 1 shot bp bg as opposed to a doctor or rolestopper or something), and therefore I couldn't have made the kill if I was scum. If yumeko is gonna refuse to acknowledge my logical and actual game based non-wifom arguments I'll happily beat his wifom bs too.
In post 5426, Mary Saotome wrote:I think Yumeko's defenses are really strange but there are also some tells Yumeko is doing that I've only seen from town her that makes me very iffy I don't really have much to ask you because nothing really comes to mind. This isn't to say I don't have my doubts but I can't really think of much at the moment.
I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
You are aware he knew you would be in this game with him and as scum he'd have to play to his town meta or right?
I had absolutely no confidence in town and would not have been okay dying and handing the reins off. I have been incredibly obvious town the entire game (note how every single argument yumeko made for him being town applies to me moreso, ie pushing scum lynches), and it honestly hurt me that tiam, the person whom I hard defended from day 1 and refused to allow him to get lynched even when boon acknowledged he was town and wanted to policy him, wanted to vig me when in my opinion I'd been holding the game together. There was no autowin, again, unless you use the pov that you are obv town which is what gerry was doing and was wrong, so keeping myself alive is pro town. It was an autowin for me because I knew wave was town due to setup spec, but me dying also meant I wouldn't be alive to defend wave when I've lock towned him since d2 and nobody else even townread him and a big reason is I thought you guys would mislynch him and give scum a shot. This is not a reason I gave earlier, but it is a big one that I only didn't mention because I felt like it made me sound way too cocky. I never have and never will be okay with getting vigged, though, I think the only time in history I've said I was okay getting vigged is when I actually was vig and was faking scum out (almost succeeded, it was chocolate mafia if you wanna look it up). That's my ego and me having more confidence in my own reads than everyone else's, I play extremely selfish as town but that's that.
In post 5426, Mary Saotome wrote:I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
I never argued against being vigged, did you think otherwise? I just wrote about that too.
I think it is slightly more advantageous for me to be checked by a gunsmith in that situation as I have a repeatable action, but I didn't argue that in my position. I'm telling you my thought process.
In post 5426, Mary Saotome wrote:I think Yumeko's defenses are really strange but there are also some tells Yumeko is doing that I've only seen from town her that makes me very iffy I don't really have much to ask you because nothing really comes to mind. This isn't to say I don't have my doubts but I can't really think of much at the moment.
I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
Have I done anything scummy in your eyes, or are you just having trouble believing skirt skirt is mafia?
I have told you what I find scummy of you but it's also a lot of the latter
Can we go over what you find scummy about me again? This is getting tough for me, I feel like you don't like any of the arguments I consider to be strong...
From my point of view it feels more like you are paranoid of me because you are not set on skirt skirt being scum.
I don't know what else to really say. Maybe all I can do is let you think about it. Again, I honestly won't be upset if you vote me and are wrong.
Things I find scummy about you:
1) Your whole preach about being a jail keeper over and over when you couldn't prove it once
2) Your main defense is "I could've done this as mafia" and that is a very common defense and feels like that's the only thing you had going for you
3) The one time you could've proved yourself and put yourself in a better spot for town was jailing the vig but you said you didn't because that was selfish when the way you're acting around me feels selfish in itself so that emotion feels fake.
I don't think 3 is fair because I was following the town plan, and I never had an opportunity to talk about that plan.
And am I correct in saying that you got that it was better to jailkeep the vig from something I've said today?
Like, in my mind I'd have been going against what the town agreed on - I didn't realize mafia couldn't act and kill at the same time, and I also didn't pay attention to the # of players. I thought if I jailkept the vig and somebody else died I would have to deal with being called scum all game for my actions and eventually getting lynched.
I made a mistake, but other players haven't even realized a mistake had been made, if that makes sense, and I feel like I'm getting flak for something that any other player wouldn't have because they wouldn't have realized the correct play. Every other town pr has made numerous mistakes this game, absolutely atrocious targeting that made this game possible to lose.
For 1, when I spoke up about it people said it wasn't important because I could be any alignment. Prs that I thought were going to target me (gs, vig) both switched off of me.
My main defense is that you've thought I was town all game and I thought the plan was to lynch both gerry and skirt skirt for the win but now it's looking like you're going to lynch me out of paranoia
gerryoat wrote:Idk why me proving you wrong is making you upset, but bye bye.
This isn't helping. You're being pretty rude here to Mary after she indicates that you are annoying her.
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You haven't explained how it is auto win. Do you have a role? Are you a tracker/joat? From my perspective I suspect Titus is a town member who will always vote for me or Kidamn no matter what - that on top of wave dying and mary being the gunsmith target makes this game considerably more difficult if you are town. If you are mafia you realize that Titus is prone to lynch me over you if you kill Kidamn
In post 5194, gerryoat wrote:WAIT HOLY SHIT. can maf kill and do an ability at the same time?
You need to explain why this is significant. I'm seeing a lot of holes in this plan now and I'm wondering who you plan to lynch tomorrow. If you're relying on my jailkeep, you're planning to lynch skirt after nolynching? Why is that superior to lynching skirt today for you and nolynching the next day? What is it that stops mafia from just not killing if they kill the gunsmith?
Like, in my mind I'd have been going against what the town agreed on -
I didn't realize mafia couldn't act and kill at the same time
, and I also didn't pay attention to the # of players. I thought if I jailkept the vig and somebody else died I would have to deal with being called scum all game for my actions and eventually getting lynched.
And Mary, can you please address my two big walls about scum yumeko? Because he's refusing to and I'm pretty sure its because he knows his only shot is ate'ing a win out of you.
In post 5406, Yumeko Jabami wrote:In hindsight, this would have been the correct choice. At the time, I hadn't realized that mafia could not act and kill at the same time (I realized this early into the day.)
In post 5436, skirt skirt wrote:And Mary, can you please address my two big walls about scum yumeko? Because he's refusing to and I'm pretty sure its because he knows his only shot is ate'ing a win out of you.
What walls? I'm pretty sure I've looked at them all but feel free to quote them again
In post 5371, skirt skirt wrote:lets start with this wall of garbage. man, you're so lucky you have mary hard pocketed, because this shit wouldn't even have a chance of flying in most games.
Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.
I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.
I'm going to highlight some of the posts I have made but please do look over the rest of my posting as well.
In post 5168, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am fine with it, I was thinking about it myself. I jailkept skirt skirt.
It's notable that off of dunkers kill we should know that the last mafia member is a strongman of some sort. With towns power, I wasn't expecting it to be more than a 1 shot strongman, but if it were a two shot strongman skirt skirt could have used that to avoid a kill being stopped and to look good.
I've actually been sitting here wracking my brain over possible scenarios: Titus cannot be mafia that avoided the gunsmith because we know that the last mafia member is a strongman. Same for Mary. Kidamn is towns only investigative role (aside from a backup of his role) and I believe them as well. I went back to look over my post where I compared voting and I see that you voted all three lynched mafia. UnaBombaH also includes you as someone they would lynch when they did not do so for any other mafia member. I also saw this post from Flairs:
In post 2689, Flairs wrote:Alright, if someone will check gerry I'd be willing to get off the gerry vote
In the meantime I'm going to go look over Nero and Two
Where they call for you to be checked. I don't actually think you are mafia despite results seeming to point to it so I instead think that something else is happening here.
I think skirt skirt is the last mafia member, a 2-shot strongman.
Looking back yesterday, skirt skirt himself was the one who pushed for himself to be jailkept instead of vigged. Everybody else went along with it, but It's notable that skirt skirt was highly against being vigged in what would be assumed to be a town win scenario if everything worked out.
Does anybody think this makes sense on it's own? A lone bp bodyguard needs both a bp enabler and a 1-shot strongman to counter it when there is no other protection in the game?
If you consider that I am a town non-consecutive jailkeeper the strongman makes a lot more sense belonging in this setup. And possibly even being a 2-shot strongman.
In post 5170, gerryoat wrote:and is there any role that can like, hide a gun? i mean i know doctors cant have it and traitors. so i dont think 2 mafs would have that too.
Do you agree that we know the last mafia is a strongman?
Otherwise what happened to Dunkerdoodles?
My reasoning is that since the last role is strongman it's reasonable to assume that they're probably not more than that and also able to avoid gunsmith reports. So Titus and Mary cannot be strongmen and so cannot be mafia barring major shenanigans.
In post 5172, Mary Saotome wrote:Uhhh Yumeko talk to me on this? I'm pretty sold on Gerry scum here skirts been very consistent most of the game while gerry has seemed to pop up near the end of the game and it makes sense for solo scum. I disagree with you here the panic and mass post feel like trying to buy more time and a strongman with more then 1 shot is...wha
I'm thinking about it. Yesterday skirt skirt was the one to say he should be jailkept, if he were a strongman this would be a move to make himself look mechanically cleared.
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.
I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.
And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?
I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
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Over the night I did some additional review and I found this - I think it's interesting enough that I would have definitely pushed to lynch skirt skirt had I noticed it during the last day. Take a look at this quote, I want to call attention to my second like where I'm talking about Peregrinev and Eddie Cane:
This group is almost bound to shake, depending on future interactions between Mario and Mulch. So far I'm cool with both. I have the best feeling on osuka that I have ever had in a game so far, so I'm a little paranoid (surprise surprise!), but strongly townread him for now.
{TwoInAMillion, wavemode, Mary Soatome, Nero Cain}
My townleans, these have provided at least something solid I have agreed upon, and have not pinged my scumradar. TiaM is here because I have seen him derping around like this before, I don't think he is scum here.
NULL. Not much/any content, or at least not any tone that I have been able to read.
{Creature, Eddie Cane, massive}
NULL-1. Basicly same as above, but the way they have provided little content is the part that rubs me the wrong way. For example Creature basicly announcing he is gonna lurk isn't cool in my books. Eddie Cane, WHERE ART THOU?
{Theta Alpine}
Lost in time and space.....Not exactly valid to place as null because has provided answers and questions alike, but super hard for me to place right now.
{Flavor Leaf, IgnitionUSMC}
Scumleans. Flavor might be elevating higher quite easily if his future content feels like his normal self. Ignition replacing out is probably NAI, but the timing makes it look bad, especially when I had just started to pay more attention to him.
{Yumeko Jabami}
Phoney-town. (or a very heavy player to deal with if actually town) Poses a lot of questions (which is normally great in creating content), but places them in huge walls and nitpicks everything. I do NOT get a towney vibe from this sort of.."interrogating style". I like to pose a lot of questions myself, but I don't think they hold value, if people find it hard to A) find them b) answer to them with simple formatting C) feel like they need to explain every single word they use.
Can you explain your read on osuka for me? You don't really interact with them but seem confident that they are town pretty early on.
I'm confused as to why you put people you say will likely fall in your reads later at the top? It does not make me confident in your set of reads you have presented.
Nobody else called you out on this - I noticed that you have PeregrineV and Eddie Cane at different tiers in your read list. Can you explain why this is? At this point of the game, neither of them had posted yet, and they were never directly a topic of conversation either. How can they be in different places?
There's also something else nobody called you out on here. You very clearly say - for your null tier - that they have provided no tone for you to work with. However, earlier when talking to me you told me that you weren't sure on your use of tone and try to stick to logic and intentions. To me, this feels like you are not able to keep your story straight.
You have Theta below null-1 but say they are hard to place - but you did place them. You put them below null-1, which leads me to believe that you are actually scumreading them? I'd expect them to be in your null tier otherwise.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.
Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.
Evidence doesn't stack up against me. I've played an insanely townie game, there's a reason gerry didn't omgus vote me or anything. He actually knows exactly why I voted him, but can't talk about it The only reason you even have a chance is because tiam shot wave over you, so I hope you realize that if you win it you only won because of a dumbass vig.
I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.
You didn't theorize SHIT. I've been doing the gamespec the entire fucking game. I'm the one who told people (hi Titus) to fuck off with kidamn scumreads, I'm the one who pointed out a limited strongman is the last mafia role. There is LITERALLY NO THEORIZING there because a minimum of 1x strongman is literally fucking confirmed due to dunkerdoodles. You literally just said you've been setting up my lynch though, so thanks. Again. There's a reason gerry pushed you and not me even as I led his lynch. This is my town game and obscenely so. The only fucking reason I haven't lynched you this game is because of Mary lock townreading you. Mary said Gerry made her doubt that, so I'm just here praying to god she rethinks.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.
If you want to push una scumreading his teammates as me being scum, maybe don't quote a post with yourself at the bottom of his reads list Or, sure, rely on one post a mafia member made for why I'm scum. Una would not scumread me as his partner though, Una thinks very highly of me. Of course, that's useless meta, but its true. You've clearly been thinking about my lynch for a few days now though, so kudos I guess for trying to bs something that doesn't mean much I won't be able to respond to...?
Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Eddie Cane not posting makes the slightest difference? Excuse me? But, I do like that you admitted you made useless walls explicitly so nobody would read them. "(that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)". Oh my god I'm gonna be pissed if I lose to this.
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In post 3150, Eddie Cane wrote:if any person doesn't vote gr I'm their next post they are scum claiming
Let's start with an awesome town case before I move onto my scum case. I did not need to shout for a GR hammer there. Let's start with the fact that if my team was dave/flairs/game/unknown traitor, game would be the last person I bus. Vedith is the only player there I think is good enough to warrant bringing to endgame. But, let's not talk about me quicklynching a partner over a day before dl (lots of time to last minute lynch someone else or just lurk out and let town do nothing lmao). A partner that had site flaked and was going to replace and possibly give me a teammate who's scum game isn't "lurk" (hi yumeko ). There is no chance I, an experienced player, choose our encryptor and bus him. NO CHANCE. Look at any of my scum games, day chats are like 20 pages long plus. As scum here I 100% would've fought to the death to keep my encryptor alive because I would need it to deal with flairs and dave. This post never comes from scum Eddie and Mary probably won't know that but I'm hoping Titus does.
In post 3237, Eddie Cane wrote:{whymafia, tiam (sk is town for the purposes of these reads), wave}
{mm4, dunker, gerry}
{assemble, flairs, Nero, yumeko, mary, theta, massive, davesaz}
{boon, osuka, kidamn}
Not that this means much, but for all the shit ya'll say I never let scum in my town pile EVER. I should've stuck with my gerry read and done yumeko smh
can you both stop acting like 6 year olds who got their first A+ in grade 1 and think they're better than everyone thanks
In post 3969, Eddie Cane wrote:well, boon, idrc what you're going for but look at the facts
1) not a single person in this game is going to vote tiam
2) nero is ascetic and even if you believe he's town he shouldn't last til lylo and i know for a fact you agree with this logic
3) two won't vig him
4) if two is sk he is not going to shoot me/you/kidamn/wave/gerry/dunker because that outs him as sk for the latter 5 and I think he knows I'm town
5) despite his verbal annoyingness, he vigged perfectly fine d1. i think una was a very acceptable shot. he vigged perfectly fine d2. i think assemble was a very acceptable shot. you know that i know better than anyone two can be a fucking moron, i mean he voted me not understanding what a hammer was and was "certain" i was scum, but he has played perfectly fine this game, he got me to townread him which is good and he has not done anything stupid. i dont agree with his play, and hes definitely new, but this is improvement and this is not play youre policy lynching. even IF hes sk, he is not going to shoot a pr this early because that outs him and causes him to lose. stop wasting time, i know youre better than this.
I think the most important piece is that I kept this game from falling apart. Boon was so insistent on lynching our vig as an sk (hey boon you may be better at some things but I'm better at reading bad town ) and tiam was so insistent on boon being scum. I had to keep them from killing each other. I'm in awe how people can think I'm scum after that. The next 4 posts after that are the same, me convincing boon to leave tiam alone.
to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
Wow. Both flipped scum and the last scum are 3/6ths of my vig pool. What a shocker.
I think you just know you can't beat me without realllly reaching.
In post 4478, Eddie Cane wrote:i dont really care about titus right now, last time we played i subbed out and insulted her so i'm trying to avoid that
can you explain how the mulch replace out could ever be scum? because mulch was extremely townie to me and that replace out was a massive nail in the town coffin
In post 4479, Nero Cain wrote:I think replacing out is mostly null. And meta wise his screaming to get wagons going is pretty similar to his play in NY203. What did you find townie from him?
In post 4480, Eddie Cane wrote:i agreed with his thoguhts reading through, its not really a meta read because i haven't played with scum mulch and in the game i spectated with him as scum i already had spoilers
but replacing out is null, sure. this specific one screamed town to me though. he had a mulch temper tantrum because nobody would sheep him, just as he does every single game as town. in the end, his shouting didn't work so he rage replaced. i don't see scum mulch ever doing that. this is stronger by the fact mulch prefers playing scum, is stronger as scum, and prides himself on his scum game. i don't think a scum mulch replaces here because that is not his wincon
In post 4481, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, true, Titus is pretty wonky but if she thinks I'm scum and my lone buddy or two is pushing this Flairs wagon then she needs to explain who they are and why. This "they" stuff just seems way shallow.
And her line about there being a counter-wagon to me b/c I'm "useful" to scum seems like her goal is to shift blame to once I flip town. And again she's not naming names so...
Me convincing Nero to lay off titus. Many more quotes of this nature. But sure, I'm just pocketing more people and bussing more scum.
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:
{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Dave, Massive}
{MM4}
As long as we keep lynching and vigging yumeko/mary/dave/massive/mm4 pool i think this game is done/ gs should probably check titus/gerry/wave/myself in the mean time, particularly gerry, just for reassurance and to remove risk of double targeting.
In post 4779, skirt skirt wrote:i'm happy with the game as it is now. i think town is in control (more active people) and thats how we hit gr and flairs.
Look how fucking right I was with the scum team being flairs/yumeko/dave.
This actually segways into the offensive portion of this case, which is scum!yumeko as opposed to town Eddie.
Titus, this is more to you at first. You should know that it is moderately common for scum to post a lot early in the game and then drop out because they find it hard to be involved and not get called out. Yumeko posted useless walls early d1 that he even admitted he knew nobody read and then lurked out... until literally yesterday to push me and gerry as scum and avoid getting vigged. This is classic scum, not some godly played scum. Now Mary's turn: Mary, you admitted this is abnormal play for Yumeko. I can't speak to your meta, but PLEASE think about it more. That's all I can ask. Wallposting and then lurking the entire game except for an occasional buddying popin and prodge is not town play, and I let your meta lock town read allow yumeko to coast but of course that is gonna bite me in the butt here. Yumeko has a total of 48 fucking posts. le sigh I hate scum who win by active lurking.
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So after 5 awesome wall posts he admitted nobody would read, there was nothing substantial from yumeko... period.
In post 1738, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I will catch up on this tomorrow, is there anything I should be paying special attention to?
I think circumstantial evidence from looking at UnabombaH/Excession points towards KidAmn being town
I've fairly certain that Mary is town - I will be upset if you vig them
I don't want to sort through the game anymore because there's a lot of meaningless content - I took a look at UnabombaH as well as Dunkerdoodles and I have a feeling that Dunkerdoodles might be mafia
Wow, you don't want your pocketed vote vigged, shocker. Looks like dunker was the next planned push.
In post 4826, davesaz wrote:I think that isodive on Una is great work, but it's only 2/3 right. Una tossed in a random player (me) who would genuinely be someone who hadn't been in a game with her.
I also think we're looking at a SK or even another team. VOTE: MarioManiac4
Can you explain how you went from null reading MarioManiac4 to placing a vote on them? Yesterday you had massive in your lowest tier and he voted against a scum lynch, what changed your mind from there to MarioManiac4?
Actually, you're all over the place, including claiming there's 3 kills when it's much more likely that dunker was simply the target of a strongman kill after claiming bulletproof.
A second mafia team seems very unlikely to me with a traitor having flipped. In a game this size, two scum teams means each scum team is about 3 persons large. It would be really strange to have an effective scumteam of 2 in a pt in a 21 person game along with a traitor - plus there's the logistics of if one team has a traitor does the other team have a traitor. Everything points to this being a single ball game. Twoinamillion is the town vig, I'd say the scum team is likely 5 members large including the traitor, though the traitor doctor is questionable. I'd think the doctor on mafia would indicate that the scum team is smaller than average as it's a rather powerful ability to have. Traitor makes me think the opposite, I think those things might cancel each other out
Looking through your iso, I'm not really seeing the thought process I saw early on. It looks to me like you're saying things more to avoid being lynched than to solve the game, if that makes sense? You really are all over the place. I've noted that you brushed aside Flairs as not really having read their posts and never made mention of IgnitionUSMC/game replacement at all.
VOTE: davesaz
This is the fun part. This is such an obvious bus case it's hilarious. At this point it was already accepted we were lynching Dave so he decided to force a case there. First real contribution since d1 and its a useless mini wallpost to justify voting someone the entire game was voting to try and look townier. Fuckin A.
Game Replacement (11): Creature, wavemode, TwoInAMillion, Nero Cain, MarioManiac4, Mary Saotome, Eddie Cane, Flairs, massive, Dunkerdoodles, gerryoat
The following players have participated in 2 mafia lynches: Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, skirt skirt, wavemode, Mary Saotome, massive, Eddie Cane, TwoInAMillion
The following players have participated in 0 mafia lynches: Titus
There's also some interactions with UnaBombah about Mulch that look off. Add to that that Mulch ignored many of the points I made against him early in the game as well as me having a bad feeling, on top of Titus seemingly defending scum players.
VOTE: Titus
Oh cool, its time for the Titus mislynch.
In post 4920, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am a nonconsecutive jailkeeper. I targeted MarioManiac on night 1 and Mary on night 3, both as protective actions. If lynching Titus does not end the game I'd want to jailkeep massive, but if he is getting shot by our vigilante I will choose a different target and announce the target before night.
Meh. Weak targets. Mary was never getting killed n3, nobody townread her... lmfao.
In post 4930, Mary Saotome wrote:How about lynch massive
vig wave
jail skirt
check me
I think this works out best because it covers everyone here besides our pr's' this game should basically be over after that yes?
I think if wave is a pr I should jail them instead. If they would be vigged anyway, jailkeeping them instead lets them verify my action if they are town
I don't think you need to be checked, I'm certain you are town Mary. I won't need to be checked either if Wave is a pr and I jailkeep him
If Titus doesn't have a gun I'd think massive was scum, looking back the times he voted mafia were after it seemed those players would have been the lynch
Setting up the massive lynch and pocketing Mary. Coolios.
Bored of PBPA and honestly PBPA doesn't make a good case anyways because its always confbiased. What does make a good case, however, is that that is EVERY POST SINCE EARLY D1. Yumeko posted 5 useless walls he acknowledged nobody would read and then proceeded to do literally nothing the entire game.
So, Mary and Titus. If you're going to vote me you need to talk to me first. Last game I played I was mislynched (still led to town winning with all the fuss I put up) as doc d4 after successfully saving 2 people because nobody would read my cases and just voted me anyways. I'm not going to give up just because Yumeko has been pocketing Mary all game and Titus seemingly forgets I made her fuck off Kidamn tunnel.
In post 5399, Mary Saotome wrote:I feel like a lot of the points you've shown for you being town (Jail keeper how you keeping a strong man is so low) are points that can't be proven. The only thing that you have going for you is you asking to be vigged. I had a really really big tr on you based on town and how you've acted but I really can't tell if I'm being bias or maybe you knew what I tr. The one thing you've shown to sr eddie is the unba interaction and it feels like that's the one statement you've made.
If you asked me to vote based on any day before this I'd vote skirt in a heartbeat
but if you asked me to vote based on today alone I'd vote you in a heartbeat
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.
I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.
And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?
I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
This was his defense, but in reality its bullshit. Particularly, third paragraph. He would've lost, sure. But I was the one suggesting to vig him, Tiam had already expressed discontent with me before, he had no opportunity to argue to change the shit and honestly had to chance it. What exactly could he have said? I've been directing the vigs and lynches for that matter most of the game, and it was my pool, and everyone agreed to it. He also tried to argue earlier that he would've jailed tiam, but that
literally outs him as scum
. That was not ever an option and is just him covering his ass.
Mary, why excactly would you have voted me over yumeko any other day? Post d1 he
literally has not posted content
. He's sheeped you once and otherwise has had no involvement in the game. Coasting scum. You've even acknowledged he's playing differently.
to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed
The list of targets has 2 flipped scum and a third one unflipped. One of the three town there was getting lynched (nero). Wow. Guess what people there agreed to the vig pool? Nero, Mary, and Massive from memory. Guess who didn't comment on it? Dave and Flairs. Guess who the ONLY PERSON AGAINST IT WAS? Yumeko. So if your best defense is "vig", try the fuck again, because that's a huge red flag that Yumeko is just scum.
But I'd have gladly proven my jailkeep ability when I claimed it, we could have planned around me roleblocking the vigilante. People thought that even if I was a jailkeeper I could still be scum though so I didn't push for that.
Wow. A joat with a roleblocker shot. I definitely didn't suggest that ages ago. Of course, that isn't even necessarily the case, because you never brought anything like that up...
I didn't ask to be vigged, I was against you being vigged .
because you lost if the person in your pocket would've died, titus had been scumreading you already, and gerry clearly scumread you over me yesterday, correct? After all,
I thought you knwe I was town.
Well let's talk then, I why do you think I'm scum based on today?
can i answer? a town mindset is to convince everyone you're town. you've already addressed me like you knew i was town in previous days. whereas, you ignored the MANY valid points I brought up against you today in favor of a garbage "wallpost" and trying to slide mary further into your pocket. There's still tons for you to go reply to, go wild. Or keep ignoring it and trying to pocket mary again.
I feel you aren't really giving me credit for all the things I've said
all 58 things you've said, right? and virtually every relevant one being d0.25/d6/d7?
Yesterday I tried to talk to you about skirt skirt too, I've thought he was scum over gerryoat.
wow. realizing myself and gerry would have to be the lynches. *shocker*
I think gerryoat is spending a lot of time trying to figure out hypotheticals we shouldn't act on. The chance that there's a strongman that is immune to gunsmith shots or that there are two mafia is so much lower than the chance that there is 1 mafia between gerry/skirt skirt that the second option is the one worth pursuing (as opposed to putting on a tin foil hat and thinking people who should be clear aren't)
wow. you sure did try to talk hard about skirt skirt yesterday. definitely wasn't just setting up the lynch today with general shade.
I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.
wait? you've been voting for scum all game? you've sure helped a TON in lynching dave, flairs, and game. how could we ever have lynched them without boon finding una slipping partners, you blindly sheeping mary as your first post in like 3 day phases whne the lynch is inevitable, and not even being on the lynch or having posted in 60 pages? thank you so much for your help! you didn't abandon your team, persay, but i guess you did, because you let them do all the work while you idled although they did the exact same thing. /sigh
I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives.
i love a good wifom debate, no sarcasm. you took a risk because it was obvious at that point you got lynched over me and you had to try something. try again?
Oh, I see the flailing you were talking about now.
this is more of you trying to talk to mary about lynching me yesterday, right?
And we've been playing in this game for over a real life month - why do your votes still follow the guidelines for the vote counter? Do you think the rest of us should be in awe of you when you have trouble following simple directions? You being rude and frankly grandstanding about your contributions when you've made many mistakes and mispushes yourself does not make me feel good about you as a player.
i do love how this is the avenue you used to push me though, this is DEFINITELY a game breaking find from you in your awe-inspiring expedition to show mary i'm scum, right?
lemme give you some advice yumeko: don't lurk the full game as scum. it is active lurking and it is something that will not make you many friends on this site. as abraisive as i am, i still have lots of friends here, so i don't care for your personal attacks that have no game relevance.
This is skirt skirt's reaction after I say we should jailkeep mary instead and the vig target moves onto skirt skirt. He is strongly against being shot - he very much wants to be jailkept here because he is a strongman and this looks very good for him. Him getting shot means he loses. This isn't the reaction of town who is making an auto win plan.
ahahahah this is the best you've got?
there was no auto win plan. there was only an autowin from a view where you're conf town, and that's naive and why gerry was so off base. the closest to conf town was wave, which is why i wanted you vigged (would've been auto win), but no, tiam had to ignore me. i've already gone in depth and explained why i didn't want to get vigged but good fucking try kiddo.
All of a sudden, the gunsmith check switches from me to mary and the thread is closed in about thirty minutes in what was basically a speedlynch. No time for me to challenge the action change. I am against the vig shot on me at this time because I believe it is better to check me and allow me to use my action again if the game has not ended by the time I get my next action. I briefly consider jailkeeping twoinamillion - my thinking is this prevents twoinamillion from shooting me, confirms my role, and prevents twoinamillion from dying if he is targeted. In hindsight, this would have been the correct choice. At the time, I hadn't realized that mafia could not act and kill at the same time (I realized this early into the day.) I thought me jailkeeping twoinamillion would be the selfish play, and that I'd continue being heavily suspected and ultimately be lynched. Letting myself die and following what everybody expected me to do seemed to be the team play. I also trusted that you (Mary) would close out the game.
this is where you fuck up though, because its not basically a speed lynch. the person you're trying so hard to pocket is the one who hammered, and one scum alive can't do anything called a "speedlynch". you also literally just said you were against the vig shot on you, and the big argument mary had for you being town was you being okay with being vigged which you just said you weren't but you didn't have time to post... so good job removing the only reason for you being town.
but, this is a great wallpost that says absolutely nothing and just tries to push a bullshit narrative while still ignoring the many points brought up for you being scum - note this discounts none of them but instead proves some being true.
In post 5406, Yumeko Jabami wrote:In hindsight, this would have been the correct choice. At the time, I hadn't realized that mafia could not act and kill at the same time (I realized this early into the day.)
so when did you magically figure out? conveniently didn't read the rules for 6 days and decided to thoroughly read them after the night ended but before gerry asked?
Aha, I tanked my first interview, but I got the job from my second one (at Tim Hortons). Lasted 8 months and considering it was awful I was pretty proud of that. I'm pretty good, had a super hard workout today so I'm super sore.
The only reason you even have a chance is because tiam shot wave over you, so I hope you realize that if you win it you only won because of a dumbass vig.
- I will be upset if you vig them
