2017 NFL Football

[Killthestory]

I’m not really sure I like the idea of a sports team in Vegas. I don't think it is going to work. Vegas is a tourist town. They are not going to have a loyal and consistent fan base. Their ticket sales will probably go up and down.

do you realize theres large urban communities around las vegas

That don’t have ticket money? Yes.

i mean there are some middle class communities
ok maybe a couple
a slight amount

alright you got me. we're all pretty broke

[Firebringer]

I’m not really sure I like the idea of a sports team in Vegas. I don't think it is going to work. Vegas is a tourist town. They are not going to have a loyal and consistent fan base. Their ticket sales will probably go up and down.

do you realize theres large urban communities around las vegas

That don’t have ticket money? Yes.

I have season tickets to Golden Knights games and plan to get tickets for Raiders games.

[Bella]

When Gill is actually in coverage he is great. Penalties and miscommunication have been his problem. He is extremely talented, and he is not the biggest problem in this secondary in my opnion. I think letting him either play a cover 3 look like Sherman and lock down one side of the field or just man up the guy in front of him is the way to go. Let him boost his confidence.

Agree on the rest.

He's not been *that* good in coverage, and penalties/miscommunication are were big play break downs come from. He's had several of those.

Curling is legitimately the best thing in the winter olympics.

Curling is both the stupidest and best sport at the Winter Olympics. I wasn't insulting curling, I was insulting hockey.

this actually brings me to what I really want to talk about: What the fuck is the NFL gonna do about the Chargers?

They aren't making any money off this team. They might be losing it. I don't think they are coming back to San Diego, but something gotta happen man. Maybe move THEM to Vegas and put the Raiders in LA where they belong?

My personal belief is that they'll give them 10 years or so in Los Angeles which gives them a reasonable chance to turn things around and lets the NFL blame the Chargers if they don't, then either let them stay if they're doing okay or ship them off to a place the league wants them to go if they're not. They've been putting on Raiders games in Mexico City, if the Mexican market is looking good at that point, then I could totally see them moving there, with a name change designed to appeal to the whole Mexican market.

[Thestatusquo]

Hockey is cool too.

[PJ.]

10 years seems a strech re: chargers. They can't even sell 27k seats reliably. That's gonna be a problem, even with revenue sharing

Hockey is only good when PK Subban is playing.

[shaft.ed]

think you meant Dominik Hasek

[PJ.]

goalies aren't important.

[shaft.ed]

[PJ.]

what the fuck

[Thestatusquo]

panzer you just got wrecked.

[shaft.ed]

oanzer you just got wrextalled

wrecked

.

ftfy

[Bella]

Moving them sooner means admitting a mistake. The Chargers were a bad team last year. They were a bad team the year before. They're currently appearing to be a bad team this year. Their alleged franchise QB is almost at the end of his career. They'll get some time to rebuild since nothing helps build a fanbase like winning. Plus they're stuck in a temporary home until 2020, in a stadium that's not really designed for pro football. They won't be judged until they move into a proper stadium, with a proper capacity and the proper amenities expected of a modern football stadium.

[Bella]

Also this is a football thread, please take your lesser sports elsewhere, boys.

[PJ.]

Moving them sooner means admitting a mistake. The Chargers were a bad team last year. They were a bad team the year before. They're currently appearing to be a bad team this year. Their alleged franchise QB is almost at the end of his career. They'll get some time to rebuild since nothing helps build a fanbase like winning. Plus they're stuck in a temporary home until 2020, in a stadium that's not really designed for pro football. They won't be judged until they move into a proper stadium, with a proper capacity and the proper amenities expected of a modern football stadium.

The thing is, they actually are not that bad. They just get every single bad bounce. And it's not even close. They are 4-19 in single score games since the start of 2015. That's so far away from the average that it's kind of ridiculous.

[Thestatusquo]

Remember the time the chargers had the best offense and defense in football and didn't make the playoffs?

[Bella]

Moving them sooner means admitting a mistake. The Chargers were a bad team last year. They were a bad team the year before. They're currently appearing to be a bad team this year. Their alleged franchise QB is almost at the end of his career. They'll get some time to rebuild since nothing helps build a fanbase like winning. Plus they're stuck in a temporary home until 2020, in a stadium that's not really designed for pro football. They won't be judged until they move into a proper stadium, with a proper capacity and the proper amenities expected of a modern football stadium.

The thing is, they actually are not that bad. They just get every single bad bounce. And it's not even close. They are 4-19 in single score games since the start of 2015. That's so far away from the average that it's kind of ridiculous.

They're also in a strong division, with KC, Denver and the Raiders. But you can't really call them a good team either. I guess I more meant that to the casual fan, they're perceived to be a bad team, which is more important that whether they are a bad team.

[PJ.]

That's probably true, but I don't really see 10 years making a difference. I know that's ridiculous to say but bad ownership and bad front office means teams stay bad. I think this is the best the Chargers will be unless they luck into another hall of fame running back, better than average QB, and a who's who of underrated defensive stars and serviceable dudes around them. And I think they still got 2-3 more years of Rivers and he's probably not gonna allow them to completely bottom out. 2015 was close but the O Line was incredibly injured and they did get a defensive stud out of it, but they only got the 7th pick last year and used it on a guy with a broken frickin neck. Allen is injury prone, the rookie is probably also injury prone, Tyrell and Benjamin are fine but they are no better than the guys they had when they were a good team(Vince Jackson and Malcolm Floyd) meaning Melvin Gordan is gonna need to be LT-esque and Rivers is gonna have to be young rivers and they need the D if they can't get Allen and Mike Williams going. Gates is STILL stealing snaps from HH. It's a mad house man.

[Bella]

10 years is a lot of roster turnover, to be fair. The Patriots won the Super Bowl in 2004 and 2014, and the only player who was on both teams was Brady. But I don't disagree, it's just giving them time allows the NFL to put the blame for the Chargers failing in LA on the team rather than the league, which I would assume would be the league's objective.

[PokerFace]

Vince Wilfork was also on both of those Patriots teams.

Since there are two teams in LA, if only 1 fails at a time, people are more likely to believe the blame is on the team than who really is to blame

[PJ.]

The Rams aren't really thriving either, tbh. It's just not as stark as a team that is tarping sections of a 27,000 seat stadium when they should be playing in a 70,000 seat one(and being thankful that they don't have to move to a silent snap count in their home stadium). I said this in last year's thread but I'll say it again, they had no fans in LA and they alienated the only city that they had fans in. Now they're the Clippers to the Rams' Clippers. There are no Lakers in this situation. Dump the colors, the logo, the name; ship them somewhere that needs a team and start from scratch or send them back to San Diego and condemn Spanos to having to pay for his own stadium(gasp). Either way the owners are gonna be eating a huge lose if they keep San Diego there, at least for the foreseeable future.

[PJ.]

Oh, also, I know I'm late, but I am finally a believer in the "Kaepernick being blackballed" thing. Just wanted everyone to know I changed my mind

[Bella]

Vince Wilfork was also on both of those Patriots teams.

Since there are two teams in LA, if only 1 fails at a time, people are more likely to believe the blame is on the team than who really is to blame

You're right, dumb mistake on my part.

[Killthestory]

Oh, also, I know I'm late, but I am finally a believer in the "Kaepernick being blackballed" thing. Just wanted everyone to know I changed my mind

hed be the best backup quarterback in the league and he'd be a great starter for some teams.

[Mulch]

Gooooooooo falcons!!!

[PJ.]

Oh, also, I know I'm late, but I am finally a believer in the "Kaepernick being blackballed" thing. Just wanted everyone to know I changed my mind

hed be the best backup quarterback in the league and he'd be a great starter for some teams.

At the very least he'd be better than this guy