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[Klazam]

VOTE: Sergtacos

dude's mafia, i know

[Klazam]

UNVOTE: sergtacos

what.
L-1 already

[Klazam]

wtf seriously

i gotta read the game

[Klazam]

VOTE: Sergtacos

He's at L-1. Headaches would be saved.

Why do you say this? Taco isnt as bad as mulch here

[Klazam]

what

you srs lol

i didnt even look, posted, then looked at the vc afterwards

[Klazam]

as an aside, no response to my question?

PEDIT:6/7 but you cause headaches and chaos.

[Klazam]

VOTE: tchill srsvote

[Klazam]

lolk
no comments on the opportunistic tchill vote?

[Klazam]

not really
your tchill vote was a stop throwing shade at me vote

Nah, my quick read of the game yielded Tchill as my only scum possible, I questioned his post, then he ignored question, so i voted. nothing to do with what he said regarding me.

i didnt even look, posted, then looked at the vc afterwards

Why did you vote without looking at the vote count first?

Or at least counting the votes?

Cause i wanted to rvs taco. only been 2 pages. dont think i've ever seen a rvs vote being a hammer before (mine nearly was lol)

VOTE: Sergtacos

He's at L-1. Headaches would be saved.

Why do you say this? Taco isnt as bad as mulch here

Why throw shade at mulch here? All I'm interested in at the moment is you explaining HOW taco isn't as bad as mulch to this point.

Because im annonyed im gonna have to deal with mulch's shit in this game. Hes the first player with "headache" playstyle in this game that popped in my head other than taco, and i was questioning to see why youre so eager to vote.

[Klazam]

How is mulch worse than taco? Mulch selfhammered as town. end discussion. It might have "worked" that game, but its 100% always a antitown move to self hammer. period.

[Klazam]

How is mulch worse than taco? Mulch selfhammered as town. end discussion. It might have "worked" that game, but its 100% always a antitown move to self hammer. period.

nope
vengeful in lylo

and as one of the 2 townies in a 1-2-1 endgame

point still stands

[Klazam]

vengeful in a 1-2 lylo once the other player does not hammer

p-edit
he also announced it

i just agreed with you. thats one of only 2 cases. so forgive me for using hyperbole. the actual percentage is like 98% now. happy?

[Klazam]

Why did your klazam read change tchill?

So my reasoning for voting klazam in that doesn't come off as rvs-ish at all? I honestly thought it did. Haven't gotten enough on klazam to solidly lean one way or another.

No, it doesnt

[Klazam]

my "logic" is a stretch legitimize a vote.

wat.jpg

[Klazam]

destroyed it by... not reading and unvoting? lol

Also why the fuck would you ever hardclaim mason?

[Klazam]

Im confused.

So the gist of the matter is that Dunk fakeclaimed mason and mulch played along with it? then dunk changed claim to neighbors, then no, not neighbors?

[Klazam]

I really didnt wanna go through this again, was hoping i could put you on hold for a few days, but...

VOTE: Sergtacos

Serious vote. your posts feel off to me.

[Klazam]

I really didnt wanna go through this again, was hoping i could put you on hold for a few days, but...

VOTE: Sergtacos

Serious vote. your posts feel off to me.

this feels like a bussy vote

We gonna do this again? I know him irl, so my posts regarding him is gonna be a bit colored based on my knowing him.

(and hey, if youre gonna pair us up, and hes scum, im k with being hung- 1 for 1 is gooddeal)

[Klazam]

whats a mason role do?

This BOTHERS me given our discussion before the game, honestly. Talk to me about it. You should know to what i refer here.

[Klazam]

I think its not a scumslip, dunk. I mean, i do see why he would say policy lynch there.

Taco, LAL doesnt apply here. If he never took back the claim, and Mulch flipped not-mason, then yeah LAL works here.

I really didnt wanna go through this again, was hoping i could put you on hold for a few days, but...

VOTE: Sergtacos

Serious vote. your posts feel off to me.

this feels like a bussy vote

We gonna do this again? I know him irl, so my posts regarding him is gonna be a bit colored based on my knowing him.

(and hey, if youre gonna pair us up, and hes scum, im k with being hung- 1 for 1 is gooddeal)

is it because in many games online i post gifs too much and be silly? then sorry to break it to you, change that mindset because it isn't summer anymore. College life= too busy to post gifs, giggle, and try to analyze people without being policy lynched lol.

interesting response.

UNVOTE: sergtaco

you can live another day, then.

Ok, on to the next. Who sheeped that vote on me? imma vote that person.

[Klazam]

what

you srs lol

i didnt even look, posted, then looked at the vc afterwards

yeah well a little earlier and you would have hammered

which makes me think
maybe you were early bussing and thus did not pay attention to how many votes your scumbuddy was at

so i am going to VOTE: klazam

I was thinking the same exact thing.

VOTE: Klazam

Baaaaaaa

VOTE: Havo

[Klazam]

klazam that unvote was so bad -.-

He succinctly answered me about why his play were different this game. i unvoted because i have nothing else to go off of with him. dont see how its bad.

also lol keep on pairing me and taco.

I also feel compelled to mention english is actually a second language for me and taco. Step up your grammar game bro, your second sentence dont make no sense in english.

[Klazam]

klazam that unvote was so bad -.-

He succinctly answered me about why his play were different this game. i unvoted because i have nothing else to go off of with him. dont see how its bad.

also lol keep on pairing me and taco.

I also feel compelled to mention english is actually a second language for me and taco. Step up your grammar game bro, your second sentence dont make no sense in english.

Maybe english is doodle's second language too, klazam..... assuming can be bad xD

the third line was talking to you, taco, not doodle, sorry for not making that clear

[Klazam]

klazam that unvote was so bad -.-

He succinctly answered me about why his play were different this game. i unvoted because i have nothing else to go off of with him. dont see how its bad.

also lol keep on pairing me and taco.

I also feel compelled to mention english is actually a second language for me and taco. Step up your grammar game bro, your second sentence dont make no sense in english.

Maybe english is doodle's second language too, klazam..... assuming can be bad xD

the third line was talking to you, taco, not doodle, sorry for not making that clear

it was close to correct
replace experiment with experimentally and it is correct grammar

Huh, i didnt read it in that way. interesting that theres another way to parse the sentence lol. bad night at work so dont expect me back for a day or two, not in mood to argue or any shit like that at the moment.

[Klazam]

Alright im here. Destiny 2 helped me self-mediciate lol.

whats a mason role do?

This BOTHERS me given our discussion before the game, honestly. Talk to me about it. You should know to what i refer here.

You should elaborate on this. What is Tacos holding back that you know about.

We had a discussion on "townslipping" due to a face to face mafia where he townslipped so hard. At the time i made that post i was wondering if the mason thing was an attempt to townslip, but now i realized it makes zero sense whatsover so i dropped it lol.

UNVOTE: Havo looks pretty good to me at the moment.

I dont like Tywin's defending of me and havo vote. feels like buddying. idk could be paranoid tho.

not sure what to make of this dunk thing, i'd lean town on dunk, but mulch not so much. like, it is literally a dream scenario for a mafia guy to have a townie fakeclaim mason buddies with mafia. Mulch seemed overeager on that. maybe?

not much of an impression from other people yet.

[Klazam]

uh

okay now i think that mulch might be chainsawing
so how bout we lynch dunker and see if he flips scum

VOTE: dunkerdoodles

How do you have a chainsaw read on mulch without a flip from dunk? Do you happen to scumread mulch at the moment?

[Klazam]

Why mumble

[Klazam]

Speak louder

[Klazam]

What happened to your mulch scumread? You're actually the one who hops easily

[Klazam]

whats a mason role do?

This BOTHERS me given

our discussion before the game, honestly. Talk to me about it. You should know to what i refer here.

???

already explained

And Taco, stop that shit

[Klazam]

20 pages to catch up on, oh god

also y all idiots for lynching taco.

[Klazam]

20 pages to catch up on, oh god

also y all idiots for lynching taco.

have fun

also you can't possibly blame us for lynching taco
you literally said he's posts r off and now ur trying to get urself some towncred

Still catching up

No. I already addressed that. He explained exactly why there was a difference, and i unvoted. Also, at that point it was fucking obv he was not vanilla, because of a post where he said he didnt wanna be quicklynched basically. It was either mafia or pr, and you guys ran him up and hanged him so fucking fast. Deadlines are 2 weeks, theres no rush whatsover. Didnt even let him claim or anything

Mulch why do you say you wanna go after me now? Im curious.

What the fuck a mulch selfvote. Why?

Whos the 2 outed scum? Im seeing mulch so far on my readup because of dunk's role.

[Klazam]

Ok im caught up.

VOTE: mulch good riddiance scum

I'm actually inclined to believe dunk's claim here, but i recognize the extreme danger in doing that. A thought tho, with a mulch flip, i suspect we can leave dunk alive to shoot again and potentially confirm him as town/find scum, and if it doesnt confirm his role we can lynch him and have it not be lylo. And honestly, if i had his role, mulch would 1000% have been my target.

Ill need to reread the thread again, its kind of a mess. Fykus can enjoy being conftown, though.

I dont have much of a impression either way from the posters who hasnt been posting much, unfortunately.

Also, did skirt skirt replace out? where? I see mentions being made that point to carc being conftown but i must have missed it.
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Pedit: Fish more tywin. why are you asking for more information on a conftown role

PEDIT 2: WHOA WTF I DIDNT THINK OF THAT, EXPLAIN YOURSELF FYKUS

[Klazam]

No tywin, theta means that fykus should have known dunk DIDNT have a invesigation go through on mulch, so why did he vote mulch anyway?

[Klazam]

i know
fairly sure both mulch and dunker are scum at this point

but i think fykus was in on it as well

jesus, that'd take megaballs- to orchestra a scum theater with all 3 members of the scumteam.

[Klazam]

There's a ton of distracting going on here.

Players trying to manipulate votes.

These reactions make me think there's definitely 2 separate scum factions.

not sure to the 2 scum faction line, but i agree with the distracting part. We have clearly claimed scum here, everything else can be dealt with another time.

[Klazam]

fuck you guys seriously. if im gonna come back to 20 pages every time i wake up...

[Klazam]

im up to 51, yeah ok claiming.

Non-consecutive bodyguard is my role, i didnt use it on N1 because i didnt see any PR tells or anyone i particularly felt would be targeted here. After i read over the full claims list from yoou guys, ill choose one to protect tonight. dont even try to direct me, and be aware that if i die, scum might have just shot me instead, so it doesnt confirm whoever i protected as town.

[Klazam]

UNVOTE: mulch gotta finish reading/ sorting this out

[Klazam]

i swear, mulch, you gotta stop selfvoting as town if youre town.

still reading.

[Klazam]

also no way in hell mulch ate the NK- hes a disruptive town player, the perfect kind to just leave alive and fuck over town, you know, kind of what's happening here.

[Klazam]

whats the difference between a rolestopper and a roleblocker?

[Klazam]

i got it.

also tchill is 100% town in my book.

[Klazam]

...

NAR Wiki

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

where does a commuter fall under this?

<3

[Klazam]

oh well, quote fail

[Klazam]

Mulch. Unselfvote, thank you. you selfvoting deprives town of information on who wants you to eat rope.

[Klazam]

Dunk, that was my assumption, yet theta claims he beats out fykus's force commute.

gonna pm mod brb.

[Klazam]

I got reply from mod.

THANKS MR BOON

says commute beats rolestopper. so theta is lying here?

[Klazam]

Last claim. VT.

theres one more to claim iirc

[Klazam]

rolestopper would beat out a commutizizer

Okay, i can see the difference here. but doesnt make sense to me, but this does confirm theta is not lying.

[Klazam]

lines up with fykus's "where's the other weird role to counterclaim me?" defense, assuming scum was given a weird role.

[Klazam]

that does nothing without a color code

[Klazam]

im barely able to keep up with all this honestly.

[Klazam]

wait.

isnt a forced commuterizer basically a jailkeeper?

[Klazam]

Literally just sheep me, seriously

Everything in me is telling me youre scum, so im trying to work around that and figure shit out.

regarding jailkeeper point, why would it be named a commuter if it had an actual equalivent role?

[Klazam]

its fykus or theta.

what exactly are you saying here

[Klazam]

okay.

Thought about it hard. I actually wanna lynch tywin. I dont see a tracker happening in this setup.

[Klazam]

If there is an NK, he's clear and you hang.

bad information, scum could just designate someone else to do the nk and win in that case. nope.

[Klazam]

(Also i wasnt serious about tywin, was fishing for comments from you all. still undecided on where i wanna go)

[Klazam]

If there is an NK, he's clear and you hang.

bad information, scum could just designate someone else to do the nk and win in that case. nope.

tbh thinking about it, this kinda makes me want to vote chip.

[Klazam]

a shitty one, yeah

[Klazam]

Having a tracker plays "well" with my role though

[Klazam]

Finally caught up again ugh.

Fine with the Lynch here, and yeah I want mulch to hang.

[Klazam]

Chill feels very town to me.

[Klazam]

Having too, I believe fykus at the moment, but if theta flips town, that puts fykus under the spotlight

[Klazam]

Not sure what to make of chip

[Klazam]

Pretty sure mum le is town due to the posts on this page, feels town to me

[Klazam]

*havo not having

[Klazam]

Havent read, i bodyguarded fykus, with the hope that the tracker was on me, and if i died it'd confirm fykus as town...

I was fucking dumb though, should have bodyguarded tywin. I have no idea why that didnt occur to me.

Mulch revealed multiball, and tchill reacted kind of hard to that, suspect theyre on opposing scumteams.

[Klazam]

Now readin

[Klazam]

Lemme gather thoughts in one place

What i just read changes nothing for me.

Mulch was scum that knew existence of multiball- brought that up matter of factly. At that point forward, tchill reacted and pressured mulch hard. Probably differing teams. I was thinking theta and mulch might have been on one team together- theta claiming to try and get rope off of mulch, a rolestopper firing on mulch functionally acts exactly like a commuter if i understand it right.

Fykus's role is pretty much confirmed in my eyes. The name of enchantress just makes too much sense in a game with werewolves.

You obviously ate N1's kill, mulch, but since this probs is multiball due to your own admission, that means jack shit. I dont like you also pushing the mechanically clear line, that defense is actually the same as theta's defense of you, which leads ke to think its something you picked up in scumchat or w/e.

Ill be back in a moment, im now pulling the list of who hung sergtacos. Im actually suspecting that somehow all the scum wa son it due to the extreme ease of it happening.

[Klazam]

Havent read, i bodyguarded fykus, with the hope that the tracker was on me, and if i died it'd confirm fykus as town...

I was fucking dumb though, should have bodyguarded tywin. I have no idea why that didnt occur to me.

Mulch revealed multiball, and tchill reacted kind of hard to that, suspect theyre on opposing scumteams.

But again, me bodyguarding fykus is spicy because he now cant die tonight assuming he hits scum. Shrugsies.

[Klazam]

Sergtacos [7]: Mumble, Chip Butty, Mulch, Tchill13, Havo, Assemblerotws, Dunkerdoodles ------ [LYNCH]
Dunkerdoodles [3]: Theta Alpine, skirt skirt, sergtacos
Tchill13 [1]: TywinL,
TywinL [1]: Fykus

Not Voting [1]: Klazam

D1

Theta Alpine [7]: Fykus, Mulch, TywinL, Havo, Tchil13, Dunkerdoodles, Mumble ------ [LYNCH]
Tchill13 [1]: Theta Alpine
Fykus [1]: Chip Butty
Mumble [1]: Assemblerotws

Not Voting [2]: Carcalilly, Klazam,

D2

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I suck pretty bad at VCA. Theta wasnt on sergtaco's wagon, which surprises me somewhat.

yeah i have nothing i can glean from the above votecounts. sorry for time wasted.

[Klazam]

Who just mentioned alternating kills? That made a ton of sense to me, but how did you rationalize/figure out that might be the case here?

[Klazam]

Dont get me wrong, im pretty much still 98% on mulchscum here. Just feel like i wanna hear some stuff from people who hasnt posted much, notably assemble, havo, and mumble.

[Klazam]

What im struggling on is trying to figure out if theta and mulch were buddies or not. I got the impression they were, but fykus got the opposite impression. wondering to the explantion.

also it would take megaballs to do what mulch and dunk did if they were both scummates and had no other partner in the case of shit getting fucked.

That actually reminds me.

[Klazam]

VOTE: mulch

This game is fucked up, man

bothersme.jpg

This feels different from the selfhammer in the previous boon game, by a lot.

then after that its back to.. bussing dunk? i dont see that happening.

Point about dunk claiming what he did to explain the alternating kills thing is interesting, though. What if dunk was scum, tried to kill mulch, failed because theta was using rolestop on mulch, with the intention of having mulch fakeclaim commuter? does that scenario work?

[Klazam]

Also game theory question, inside of a multiball game, it'd be better to focus on the elimination of a scumteam if possible, isnt it? that would be doubly effective if this game, is in fact, alternating kills.

At this point im also afraid that im getting too hung up on multiball aspect. Could it be just a 3p scumteam which... wait

Oh and BTW a lot of people failed my multiball reaction test. Use that info when I flip

Mulch, yo, mind helping me with one thing. you said people failed your reaction test. mind explaining in depth exactly how that is?

[Klazam]

Mulch- youre suspect one for me, but im willing to work with you to get scum lynched, maybe not on your team- work with me, if you are scum, and you confirm the existence of multiball, that would be pretty damn nice.

[Klazam]

I mean, the noose is pretty much pre-fitted for you at this point, and your priority should be pretty much about taking the other scum team out, so work with me on that?

[Klazam]

Gimme a moment. Trying to logic the outcomes out.

[Klazam]

2 deaths confirm dunk as town. If fykus doesn't die, and there's one death, likely that the commute Target or dunk is scum, easy to lynch both at that point, if fykus dies, and no other death happens, dunk either hit scum or is scum, lynch both. Dunk's shot needs to be called to ensure fykus don't commute that person.

Ok that doesn't work, intentional no-kill screws the pooch there.

I don't think this can be resolved completely via night play. We call dunk's shot today, then hang mulch today, then tomorrow, we reassess results of things, keeping in mind potential scum no-kill to screw with results. There's nothing more to be said today other than coming to an consensus on kill target for dunk.

Conuiting from that- do we want to have dunk hit scum or do we want dunk to clear questionable off the board?

I think Havo is my primary third scum suspect, due to position on d1 lynch.
Questionable would be mulch/assemble because they unreadable for me at this point. Mulch had that late waffle, but hammer of there.

I need input on the above

[Klazam]

It mulch was lying and it's multiball, money's on tchill being scum. Not sure how well plan holds up at that point because if it's alternating factions, it'd be the second non-werewolf team's turn to shoot.

[Klazam]

It's likely no matter what happens, we need to hang dunk tomorrow anyway, because of his claim of odd night

[Klazam]

No that doesn't make sense, strarch that last statement

[Klazam]

That makes sense. I don't exactly feel like dunk is scum here, but if that's what you wanna do with your role, I'll go along. We should still call dunk's shot in case of role locker. Do role locker even work on you though?

[Klazam]

what bothers me is that the dunk is scum theory is based on the ENTIRE scumteam outing themselves out a fakeclaim kerfuffle

which is too... easy?

[Klazam]

*on, not out

[Klazam]

we are denying ourself a potential informative role investigation tonight, that if it even goes bad, we have buffer from N1 nokill. does that make sense here?

[Klazam]

yeah, its in scum favor if dunk's town, to have the commute hit him. Which points to chipscum...

[Klazam]

esp since his name was floated as a possible vt target earlier. I'd be paranoid as scum if that happened to me.

[Klazam]

feel free to hang me, dont care. Was a mistake, freely admitted. Was thinking along the lines of Tywin following me/me bodyguarding (someone)/me dying and confirming (someone) as town. Didnt think about the possiblity of tywin dying at all.

also dont necessarily believe mulch on the claim, anyting mulch posts is noise at this point.

[Klazam]

id like a reply from fykus about my concerns regarding commuting dunk. the final call is obviously up to him. on my part, i'd recommend dunk shoot you(chip) personally.

[Klazam]

Btw my scumbuddy is assemble

that moment when assemble is cleared because you know scum mulch would never give up like this

that moment when you realize its ALL wifom, man

[Klazam]

tchill is scum if its multiball, if not multiball, i say chip, havo, mumble in that order. assemble is unreadable.

[Klazam]

yeah, its in scum favor if dunk's town, to have the commute hit him. Which points to chipscum...

If i commute dunk and noone dies then scum didnt shoot to get him lynched (not likely. They need all the kills they can get) or dunk is scum.

If i die tonight it means dunk is lock town

But it is in town favour to commute Dunk if he is scum. This omission plus last night's alleged BG mistake, has me wondering about Klazam.

no shit, it is in the town's favor to commute scumDunk. I'm personally thinking more along the lines of which option has the greatest harm to the town if choice is incorrect.

If Scum, and doesnt get commuted? the kill gets controlled, or instalynched for being obv scum. If town, gets commuted, zero results, and if scum nokills, easy lynch of a invesigative role, of sorts.

[Klazam]

Klaz will die tonight or night after so he doesnt matter re needing to find out if hes lying

Actually, you sound hella sure he is town. Which makes this post look weird...

sling more shade. Fykus is damn near conftown at this point imo.

[Klazam]

and yeah, i'd love to die, means im a good bodyguard lol.

[Klazam]

And he'll only doe if he is scum...

wait

if im scum, why do i die? that doesnt make sense

[Klazam]

tchill is scum if its multiball, if not multiball, i say chip, havo, mumble in that order. assemble is unreadable.

Why are you scum reading Tchill?

based off the reaction to Mulch's multiball statement.

[Klazam]

Actually thinking about the merits of having dunk shoot assemble. pruning the deadweight

Mr Mod, sir, can we have a prod or replace on assemble?

worth trying

[Klazam]

if theres 2 kills, dont that confirm 3 people as town? the dead guy dunk shot, dunk, and whoever fykus commutered? that sounds like a pretty nice outcome to me.

[Klazam]

Scum targetibf me does mean I'm a good bg. My function is to literally die.

[Klazam]

\o/

[Klazam]

then why would you commute me
you guys also don't seem to see
i'm the only investigative claim
do you really think boon would make a multiball game (or any game for that matter) with just 1 pretty bad investigative?
no because boon is smarter than that and no way that would get passed.
from set-up spec alone i should be confirmed

Tracker is also an investigative claim, but in essence I believe I agree with you.

[Klazam]

Ninjad my hammer post, wanted to confirm you're done with discussion for the day?

[Klazam]

Alright, you're done talking then. Let's end day.

VOTE: mulch

Dunk, shoot one of chip or assemble, in case fykus changes mind overnight.

[Klazam]

What info is gained from mulch flip? It's confscum

[Klazam]

i did offer up assemble's name as an candidate.

Dunk is conftown.

[Klazam]

im nonconsc

Just realized one thing dont make no sense here. if dunk was commuted, why the fuck was he able to kill.

I did say assemble was an option to cull the deadweight.

[Klazam]

i bodyguarded fykus on N2, last night was N3 so i couldnt do nothing.

and wait what. im confused

also i can use it tonight yes

[Klazam]

Day 4 Begins!

Fykus has died. He was a...

Spoiler:

Welcome,

Fykus

, you are a

Town Enchantress

.

Abilities:

• Every night, you may target a player. You will force that player to commute, meaning any actions performed by or targeting your target will fail. If your target is not aligned with town, you will also commute during the night. This cannot be blocked. You will not be informed of this.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Assemblerotws has died. He was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie!

based on this, dunk would be commuted either way regardless of alignment, so he shouldnt have been able to kill here...

[Klazam]

Im thinkign fykus might have changed targets here.

[Klazam]

VOTE: dunker

.. why

[Klazam]

Because of his pm fiasco Fykus might have changed targets.

[Klazam]

Yeah. Chip lynch is perfect here, ill eat your bullet, tchill. I dont think theres a reason to doubt tchill's claim, lines up with his play decentely. Although there is one thing, brb

[Klazam]

Alright, misread one of tchill's posts, im good with him being GS here.

VOTE: chip

If nobody dies tonight, its multiball, if someone dies tonight, it isnt. I think the matter of multi or not doesnt matter for today.

[Klazam]

Want to point out one thing for future consideration- if i die, it doesnt automatically confirm tchill as town, he could have shot me to preserve his fakeclaim. I dont think this will be the case though. If its multi, tchill is still my #1

[Klazam]

Want to point out one thing for future consideration- if i die, it doesnt automatically confirm tchill as town, he could have shot me to preserve his fakeclaim. I dont think this will be the case though. If its multi, tchill is still my #1

Wait, tonight is the mulchteamshot night if multiball, so this wont work...

[Klazam]

Im confusing myself in this game.

Wanna clarify, you softed pr, then claimed vt? Tchill. (Cant believe nobody saw or commented on the softclaim)

[Klazam]

If 9-2-2 Mulch's team is gone.

Exactly, so there should be no kill tonight if its multiball.

[Klazam]

If 9-2-2 Mulch's team is gone.

Exactly, so there should be no kill tonight if its multiball.

Which makes me wonder if i should hold my bodyguard to the next night...

Nah, better plan for the worst, ill protect tchill.

[Klazam]

Want to point out one thing for future consideration- if i die, it doesnt automatically confirm tchill as town, he could have shot me to preserve his fakeclaim. I dont think this will be the case though. If its multi, tchill is still my #1

Wait, tonight is the mulchteamshot night if multiball, so this wont work...

No, you're on me either way. if it's one team i can still die tonight. If its multi then we will have 4 conf townies going into next day phase. If it's single you or anyone else dying will let us know. then it's either 4 conf vs 2 scum or 4 conf vs 1 scum.

Yeah, makes sense, but kindly dont count yourself as confirmed, i've learned a harsh lesson in my original newb where scum claimed cop and was "confirmed" for it and won in lylo.

[Klazam]

If 9-2-2 Mulch's team is gone.

Exactly, so there should be no kill tonight if its multiball.

Which makes me wonder if i should hold my bodyguard to the next night...

Nah, better plan for the worst, ill protect tchill.

town should have no problem protecting an investigative role here.

Yeah i was just considering the possiblity of nokill tonight, leading into a kill the next night after i wasted my shot. As i said, i doubt that'll happen, think its a normal scumteam.

Pedit, yeah.

[Klazam]

I m not sure about factional kills being evedient in flips. Question- any of you know another normal multiball game i can look at for referemce?

[Klazam]

Also i wanna stick the course, but chip honestly is starting to sound a bit townier...

[Klazam]

Tonight, how!

[Klazam]

?

[Klazam]

Youre making zero sense here.

[Klazam]

Thing here is that youre likely the lynch today.

[Klazam]

Lemme try to math it out- assuming youre somehow town- i die tonight, then we have 5P- with mumble and 1 more conftown. Lynch one of the unconfirmed, one of the confirmeds die, then the final will be a unconfirmed vs tchill with a confirmedtown as the deciding vote. I think that looks fine with me, with the final conftown keeping in mind that tchill could easily be scum.

[Klazam]

yeah dunk taking a shot N5 probably is a bad idea

[Klazam]

Fykus conf town enchantress DEAD
Serg conf town fn DEAD
Assembler conf vt DEAD
Tywin conf tracker DEAD

Theta conf wolf weak doc DEAD
Mulch conf wolf rolestopper DEAD

Mumble conf town prob vt
Dunk conf odd night vig

Tchill unconf town gunsmith
Klaz unconf town bg

Chip unconf vt
Havo unconf vt
Carca unconf vt

rearranged for readablity. I'd actually say based on the roles here, i'm the odd one out. Tywin's role might validate mine due to synergy. Gunsmith with 2 false reads makes it fit pretty decently.

I'm gonna say carc is town if i have to pick one of the vts. so that leaves chip and havo, so one should be lynched today, the other gets invesigated, should be easywin.

regarding judgement question, its not judgement, its simple odds. Dunk has 1/3 to hit, mumble has 1/2 to hit. and ideally at that point its carca whos left, so that likely points to chill. Idk tho

[Klazam]

wasnt there that replace thing? Honestly im not clear on that personally.

how about this, we hang you now, then carca tomorrow as you wish. how does that sound to you?

[Klazam]

i've only had one real chance to protect someone, and i was hoping to be able to clear someone using tywin's track, missing the fact that tywin would be shot. that has nothing to do with my judgement here.

[Klazam]

If i die and klazam changes the course and decides not to bodyguard me for WHATEVER reason he is scum. If he does this and he's actually a town bodyguard then it's on him.

Agreed

[Klazam]

If i die and klazam changes the course and decides not to bodyguard me for WHATEVER reason he is scum. If he does this and he's actually a town bodyguard then it's on him.

Agreed

ok good. You should have said that if chip flips a different faction then you shouldn't bodyguard me because that would confirm a no kill this night phase.

noted

[Klazam]

i realized it'd end up being me/tchill/unconfVT in the lylo. scum's not really inclined to shoot me/tchill because we're unconfirmeds. that might be a issue, lets hope chip is scum, remove that problem.

[Klazam]

is this you giving up?

[Klazam]

According to tchill, Tchill's a gunsmith who invesigated you and got no result, meaning that fykus hit you with the commute, and since fykus died, means you cant be scum.

[Klazam]

Main point outside of chip's play today that points to him being scum is how he handled the dunk thing, he wanted fykus to commute dunk, pushed for that so hard.

[Klazam]

(For me, not whats in thread, i just realized that i havent mentioned it, so im saying it)

[Klazam]

shut down the vig shot/invesigate

[Klazam]

and gaurnatee the fykus nightkill too since the commute was hitting town not scum

[Klazam]

mumble, go ahead and reread today. lots happened, im curious to your take on what has been said.

[Klazam]

and if neither of us die, but someone else dies?

how does that change endgame math?

[Klazam]

thinking bout it, that doesnt change things anyway. discussion for another day methinks

[Klazam]

Tchill is worrying me here. His posts recently is dropping in quality. I'm sticking to the plan here, but if I'm not dead tomorrow, gotta analyze him more. Also keep in mind if I die, that doesn't auto clear tchill.

Also feeling better re havo, incidentally.

It's chip/tchill/carc imo in that order

[Klazam]

At this point I'm convinced that it's not multiball.

[Klazam]

I'm sure what we have here is paranoid townies second guessing themselves.

Hope so

[Klazam]

Mumble, you ready to end it now?

[Klazam]

I'm pretty sure if it was multi, the werewolves kill on even nights due to the first night no kill. I don't think it is multi tho.

Alright. I'm on tchill. If I die it doesn't auto clear tchill.

[Klazam]

Knew it.

[Klazam]

Chill- why did you gunsmith me when i could have died in the night, vs the 2 uncleared vanillas who wouldnt have been nightkilled?

[Klazam]

This is most likely tunnel vision, but I still feel like its you, tchill. Right now, im pretty comfortable saying havo isnt scum, so its you/carca, which means we won, so im fine with carca lynch first then you-lynch in 3p lylo. That'll win us the game im pretty sure.

Mumble?

[Klazam]

Well, im pretty active, im mainly waiting on mumble's thoughts.

[Klazam]

just wanna make sure that mumble didnt see something i missed regarding havo.

[Klazam]

PoE basically + a few other things

[Klazam]

Just had intense paranoia that somehow it's tchill and havo/mumble scumteam and they're pushing for the win in lylo...

[Klazam]

To cover bases, hang tchill first. If town, it's definitely not multiball and carc is cleanly scum, I don't see havo being scum in this situation, if tchill is scum... Well rereading time at that point lol.

Does that make sense or am I overthinking

[Klazam]

Just had intense paranoia that somehow it's tchill and havo/mumble scumteam and they're pushing for the win in lylo...

It’s clearly not Multiball. If it were then were in Lylo right now.

Exactly my point here

[Klazam]

VOTE: carc so be it.

[Klazam]

Fykus hit commute on scumroles, he didn't commute on mumble sooo

[Klazam]

Has to be you havo.

[Klazam]

Was theta alive at the time that tchill investigated mumble? That's the only scenario that makes sense for him to be scum. The rest points at you...

[Klazam]

No theta wasn't alive when tchill investigated mumble. Alright then. It's you.

[Klazam]

Because fykus commuted mumble?

[Klazam]

I'm trying to figure out any possible way you can be town right now, because I really thought you were town.

[Klazam]

And I'm coming up empty.

[Klazam]

And I'm coming up empty.

Couldn't. Nonconsec

[Klazam]

Yeah I see where this is going now.

VOTE: havo

In your hands now mumble. Got any more questions, ask them directly.

[Klazam]

Havo, alternatively, the setup makes perfect sense... And you're scum.

[Klazam]

Ah. Well that was unfortunate. Gg then. Apologies.

[Klazam]

Happens

[Klazam]

At that point I was figuring scumhavo would be working on mumble a bit then shifting to me as fakeclaiming bg as a gunsmith undetectable role so when habo went there, ah there it is, he's scum... Oh well.

[Klazam]

I wasn't sure on how multiball worked in normal anyway. Didn't really change anything in the end outside of my paranoia.

[Klazam]

Yes, I did it as scum a long time ago. I bus hard as scum (in the past, that is)

[Klazam]

Btw, Boon, the setup was fascinating, enjoyable game, thank you.

[Klazam]

That's why I mistrust Ed you lol

[Klazam]

eugh.

like, this was that one second where i was actually trying to think of anything that COULD have explained the fykus death if mumble was scum. I swear, i was ready to vote mumble if i could explain it. cant believe i blanked on the commute tchill possiblity.

[Klazam]

i feel guilty.

[Klazam]

i made several bad mistakes, specifically not bodyguarding tywin. that was bad. regrets.