17 Kilos of Cocaine - [GAME OVER]

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VOTE: ceph

1v1

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gimme the coke

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chessboi not yet

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VOTE: Fire

Bins is scum

VOTE: Bins

Sounds good

good progression


but actually im not scum but trust me if you have a way to give coke im the one u wanna target

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claimed

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vote anyone but me cause other than that idk yet

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VOTE: bulba

actually i go here

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Reasons; Analysis; Commentary: do you have them?

no

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bulba - why did you sheep fire?

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i dont know how wheme and fire can take a "bad vote" stance

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these reasons are worse than if you had just said you had no reason

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uh, i didn't like your vote on me. i like it less now. you don't like me for my rvs vote and because i made a joke (which i then turned serious, yeah, but initially i had planned to just softclaim). also gut and i haven't found anything especially town about your posts so far. and you're sheeping fire.

and why does fire think im scum? good question!

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i was expecting not fake reasons

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Day 1 for mafia is so god damn awful. The memories of pointless arguments are rushing back in.

then why r u pushing me who u always seem to push wrong -.-


its fine
ill get over it

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Yeah I did a quick skim of last game I played with u, ( I think that's only game we played)
Doesn't feel similar at all.

Though ur style as of late is pretty different from that game too.
Meh

as madvillians??

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Any particular reason you didn't feel like answering me, but instead preferred explaining your vote to the guy you scum read?

your questions were not the same

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your questions were not the same

Yes they were, and if you don't think so, why not?

why do u ask me questions like my 11th grade english teacher

i dont want to answer these

if you said "what are your reasons for voting bulba" i would have happily obliged but you said "analysis and commentary" too and think thats a very strange thing to push for

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all i see is sheeping fire and i am confused

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I'm not sure I'm the one who's being pedantic here. Clearly "reasons" was implied for the Bulba vote, but I mentioned "analysis and commentary" because they're synonyms for "reasons" if you talk about bulba, and they can also be applied more broadly to the rest of the game if don't choose to limit your focus to him in your answer.

Q_Q


well it was a much less friendly question even vs the guy i scumread's question

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all i see is sheeping fire and i am confused

*ignores Bulba's multiple-stated scumread of Xyzzy*

sry i will actually look 8)

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I read Firebringer's ISO and I decided he's scum because he's not acting the way he has acted in all the games I've played with him where he was town and that's ~*~proof~*~

VOTE: Firebringer

This is a scummy vote hop.

the only reason i agree with this is because fire is totally being the exact same as he was when he was town in the game we played together

so not sure i buy ~reasons~

also i didnt like the heavy focus on setup and failing to mention any sort of read in their first few posts



ok maybe ur vote is not bad vote

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yeah sorry fire i would be inclined to defend you but you had to go ahead and scumread me right off the bat so nah

<3

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but jokes aside


i feel like i can also by zzyzyszy lynchbait


hmmmmmm

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ja agreed

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r00d entry

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VOTE: wheme

mm

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how is wheme a bad vote?

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elli probably isnt scum unless theyre super forward with buddying but i doubt that

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ill vote dan too

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oh ya this day phase is quick

idk how to be more town but like im surprised im actually getting wagoned over other ppl? not sure if that's a fair reaction lol

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i have a few townreads now

fire (for actually flipping his read on me), eli, hito, prob chess, prob spiff, sadly prob bulba

there are a few awful votes on this wagon that weirdly havent been called out

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dan has just had his vote parked on me all since rvs and has just been giving meh almost made up reasons to keep this vote


Ginngie i dont understand why you scumread me?

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??


i really dont think its that crap

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Ginngie i dont understand why you scumread me?

Am I supposed to be able to answer this question?

well i mean i sort of can follow the others logic / blame it on them not getting where im coming from but i sort of dont see how your read came about

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I'm trying so hard to act town, guys. Stop voting me! It's not faaaair...

its very very weird that you stretched it as far as this

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VOTE: ginngie

i can sheep this one

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lame and fake

and the vote on me is probably the worst of the bunch

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maybe im being hypocritical then

lots of ppl who scumread me wrongly say im super "appeal"-y / always seems like im trying to convince everyone with everything i say

but thats what im getting from you and now i can see why it comes across as scummy oops

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-.- why r u voting me if this is exactly how i feel

i thought u would understaaaaaand but u rnt

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nvm im still struggling to townread this

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Bins, what do you think about elli's list?

dont like how im not in the town section considering how much they were buddying me earlier


but i actually agree with most of the townreads

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I agree with almost all of chess's reads. I don't have spiff as obvtown but meh.
Also i have gingi as town, the wagon on them sucks.
I need to sleep a little but i have enough towns to reasonably poe now so

TOWN
Elli
chesskid
Bulba
Ginn
Cephrir
Memestar
Kagami
grapes
Fire
hito

PEOPLE LEFT
Dan
UT
Spiffeh
Bins
Desperado
Reck
xyzzy

for the townreads

agree with chess, hito, fire, grapes, no idea how they have a solid read on kagami but ok no pings there, wheme, bulba

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for the eli thing?
the slight defence of me is here:

and Ceph was the only other name I recognized the most on a quick glance after UT.

Reasons; Analysis; Commentary: do you have them?

no

I like you and I like your vote! <3

Also I feel like a proud dad seein you do the mechanics spec correctly

Was I ever that bad at it?

More that you would just generally abstain and make me do the work

Cephrir my dude, it's vaguely unnerving to see you posting so much but still just the RVS vote

this bulb vs bins thing seems pretty dumb

yeah the vs. bins part is dumb

now idk if they just forgot or if it was a weird stance to begin with


my other townreads are mainly just based on gut / if i see their posts coming from scum

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VOTE: bins

I could also do desperado.

ok do that instead

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well maybe not because i dont scumread desp

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youve just sat on me all day


seems lazy


also chesskid i dont know how you're getting a nonchalant vibe and ginn is calling it caring so i really dont know

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hey dan wanna give other reads 2

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yes but wheme is town and spiff is fine so more

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ill make some offers on some better wagons


ginngie?
xyzzy?
kagami?

takers?

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not expecting to have a good read on desp based on gut

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Kagami gets a pass for day 1 for being good at town

q_q

this is a pass i wish i could get

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: |


well theres definitive blocks here but i am not sure which is the side to join

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So I don't really have a reason to town read Bins or anything but there is such a huge contingent of players being pretty useless other than her (Ellibereth, Ginngie, xyzzy, Desperado, UT) that I'm curious as to why she's been really the only one out of this group to be singled out

^^^


this is what i was trying to say before and bulba took it completely wrong

its not "whiny" just from my POV im not really sure how to approach this

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Bins, Dan, xyzzy, Desperado, Reck, UT, Ginngie

i could rank these into groups of the ones i prefer lynching > not lynching

ginn / dan / xyzzy > UT (wicked? give them a chance) / reck / desp > bins


pedit - yes chess i am trying
tbh i tried hardest to ginngie and they arent picking it up which is part of the reason im still scumreading them

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because when I do pay attention I loathe any interaction you make

and voting wheme was lynchbaity cop out vote and you haven't sunk your teeth into anything real.

difference between you and me.

I'm just starting to care, you've been caring the entire time yet haven't done anything worth townreading.

P-edit: lmfao damnit bulba

this post is still bs i just didnt have the effort to explain in on my tablet earlier

1) voting wheme was lynchbaity cop out? i dont view wheme as lynch bait and his votes up until that point were very jumpy. i dont see how wheme was a bad vote still (until wheme started being more fluid about his reads and i started to see him as town). even wheme didnt question my read on him.
2) sunk my teeth into anything real but caring the entire time?
a) where have i given any indication to how much i care (i do, but ive been called out for the opposite as well?)
b) sinking my teeth into anything real yet? i literally picked a fight with bulba?? im so confused again considering the vast number of people who i dont even have read on yet cause they arent here
3) the entire tone of this post seems as if ginngie is trying to look town to a point where its unnecessary. the "im just gonna sheep" thing was overdone and i really dont buy it

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if people are scumreading for tone i dont really know what to say to that other than "read a game of mine" and youll find my tone is immensely better in my scumgames than my towngames because im super tryhard as scum

not to be ~look how town i am~ but im not sure what else to say

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from my POV my wagon is probably just stagnant with scum happily on it and around it waiting for deadline so i see no reason not to look in the people who havent been doing shit

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Are you not caught up or something? This...just isn't right at all.

vat? why not

i dont see anything differing desp from his town play yet


tho idk what his scumplay is im not confident hes not just his town self

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You're "not expecting to have a good read"? Either you're not sure which read you want to fake on him yet, or you're just fencesitting because you don't want to commit. Either way, I don't like.

im allowed to fencesit on players i have a history of not reading correctly

please skip over my handful of reads i have made more please

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because when I do pay attention I loathe any interaction you make

and voting wheme was lynchbaity cop out vote and you haven't sunk your teeth into anything real.

difference between you and me.

I'm just starting to care, you've been caring the entire time yet haven't done anything worth townreading.

P-edit: lmfao damnit bulba

this post is still bs i just didnt have the effort to explain in on my tablet earlier

1) voting wheme was lynchbaity cop out? i dont view wheme as lynch bait and his votes up until that point were very jumpy. i dont see how wheme was a bad vote still (until wheme started being more fluid about his reads and i started to see him as town). even wheme didnt question my read on him.
2) sunk my teeth into anything real but caring the entire time?
a) where have i given any indication to how much i care (i do, but ive been called out for the opposite as well?)
b) sinking my teeth into anything real yet? i literally picked a fight with bulba?? im so confused again considering the vast number of people who i dont even have read on yet cause they arent here
3) the entire tone of this post seems as if ginngie is trying to look town to a point where its unnecessary. the "im just gonna sheep" thing was overdone and i really dont buy it

wheme is always really easy to vote, that's my experience and I've pushed him as scum before.

2a. What's kinda sad here, is that you confirmed that I was right about you caring

kinda goes to show that I actually took the time to analyze your slot instead of just plop a fake read there don'tcha think?

2b. Your fight with Bulba is because he voted you, in order for it to count that you did something, you gotta be the aggressor. Also I can't remember you having any reads on people besides the ones that were involved on your wagon; so enlighten me if I was wrong about your earlier game :3

3. Let me say it louder for the people in the back "

I've never had a game where another town player said my tone or posts sounded fake because I was 'trying to sound town'

i voted bulba first.

and now you just sound caught for the wrong reasons mad. how is there an issue that no one has called you out on this before?

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oops i mean i voted him first with actual reason. but we had this argument before that his reasons were pretty weak and he even backtracked on them. i didnt like his vote on me and called him out. how is this not getting into the game?

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Because I didn't like your vote on Cephrir, and I was waiting to hear from Reck. I figured it was the best way to get out of RVS. Also, the "gimme the coke" line was atrocious.

I agree with Bins that these are bad reasons[/quote]

It's a vote on Bins at this stage in the game. Were you expecting more?[/quote]

see here

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oops

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Im going to hand it to you ginngie that's probably the most unique reason I've heard to scumread me

But here's a nice search of every time I've used the word "fake" in the game of Mafia
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... sf=msgonly

Hey look
7 pages
lots of town games. Pretty much 0 scum games.
If you want a good one. Look at Marked for Death where I tunnel LUV as town day 1. Why? Because he was trying way too hard to come across as town.

Because this is the typical argument I use to find scum. I look for people who look like scum trying to look like town. I have NO IDEA why you think this is a pattern. If you've ever played with me as town you'll know this argument is what I use in pretty much all my town games

So yeah, idk. Also "caught for the wrong reasons" scum is something I get caught for a lot as scum. Why wouldn't I use it to find scum?

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Anyways unfortunately I have two midterms tomorrow so I'm going to be taking a lil day hiatus from mafiascum
I'd highly recommend town look for another lynch soon considering we have a day left
I didn't soft PR very obviously for no reason


Ginngie is still a good option and xyzzy probably is too

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How do u quote games in games that have been locked I want to slam ginngies argument harder

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Oh Dan I forgot about we can lynch him too

Anyways here
Ginngie
If there's any convincing you I may actually soften up

I feel like everything you've posted so far has been to look a certain way to everyone else. I don't know if it's towntelling, but it all seems very forced.

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(From a recent town game day 1)

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Every single one of your scum reads and arguments

were with people that have voted you.

I'm the leading wagon right now why would I not look for scum on my wagon and the bad votes on it

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Ya and u kno how KILLER my scum game is eheheheh

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Ok i lied

Wickeds post is refreshing

VOTE: elli

very happy with this + with ginngies recent post I'm more wary (even tho it was bad)

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I've been kind of hopping around the thread but Ginngie's post 792 is a good post made by a town player

O no u didn't


I can buy that it makes you townread them more but it is in no way a good post



... This could be an attempt to nudge me before xyzzy is gonna hop on me

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{elli, Dan, xyzzy, ginngie} is also were my head is at so wicked is on the ball

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r u seriously calling my wagon an awesome town wagon

bulbs has been on me all game and I'm still not sure if he's scum on me or town because of the tunnel
ginngie reasoning is still bad
Dan has literally sat on me since RVS
Kagami ? I don't know their reason
Chess you have literally also said you have been almost swayed but you also have a list of like 6 people why tf haven't you moved your vote

Luckily I'm not the only one calling this out as a weird wagon
But the fact every other wagon has been shut down should also mean something

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I honesty liked the readlist from my PoV because it didn't include a scumread to jump on me or I guess any really opportunistic reads but I'll vote wicked at deadline

Prefer xyzzy

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Yep

Dan/xyzzy/elli and ginn top picks

Wicked is just something I can agree on at deadline but not a scumread

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Actually maybe the fact I like all the smaller wagons and dislike the big one means Wicked is town

Will do ISO to narrow list down because it is not helpful rn

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Really need to hear where Wheme wants to go too or if he wants to stick to ginn


reck vote is sad and unhelpful unfortunately but I'm gonna guess he's not gonna vote UT slot over others (?)
Xyzzy also needs to have another vote that isn't Fire rn lol

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ja agree

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ok midterm done time to iso

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tbh i dont really think the fact wicked was "busy" or however you interpret it on replacing in is indicative of anything

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You mean besides me and Wicked?

i meant his vote not the votes on him

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is no one else remotely interested in elli/ginn: |

at this point im not sure whether to move my vote or continue pushing my reads to get a better dl lynch

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i thought my claim was pretty obvious on what i am tbh

i doubt theres actually a town mechanic that allows giving of cocaine so i never really meant it super seriously in that sense. would be cool tho and even tho i doubt ppl trust me it would be beneficial to town

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unless scum have a way to steal coke from a targeted person then no dont give it to me but i didnt think of that at the time

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after reading ISOs i have not become more conclusive. ginngie is definitely my least certian read. while i still hate their reason for voting me it still may be town reasoning.

xyzzy and eli both have super bare ISOs. i dislike elli a little more just based on how i can see their posts coming from scum and they still give me the heebie jeebies from earlier in the day.

dans iso is less bare but he still sat on me since RVS and had shit reasoning so meh. not a lot to townread in this iso

so yeh still not descided but any of these three are better than wicked imo

i also like his reason. reminds me of mine lol and i how i tend to react as town

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sry to conclude not really in the mood to move my vote

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same


also chess i claimed before i was even scumread


anyways

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the argumentd against the vig are scary weird but also eh

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i hammer? who should we have hammer

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VOTE: dan

sweet vengeance

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y not

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so once both are dead scum is fucked??? uh

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btw claiming i cant steal coke before my crumb is misunderstood

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tbh chesskids last minute push for me over wicked was waaaa

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Wicked was done in by his claim. Otherwise, there would have been a last minute switch on Bins. I don't think he was anticipating that, and I think there was some sort of movement to disband the wagon. The idea of lynching Bins was always running counter to Wicked. She's town here, and scum were either trying to engineer that lynch or defend her.

no.

bins was "willing to" vote wicked but didnt and the wicked slot didnt vote bins either.

You cannot clear bins from how that day end went he remains on the deathlist thank u very much

i was wickeds top townread (rip) and idk if he knew thats how you get me to townread u back but it worked

also like i still have scumreads on like 4 ppl more than i ever did wicked

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wait so what r the claims here

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No, I didn't actually get any results.
But I did try to check kagami.

oh ok


i still want dan tho

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you also cant convince me elli is town

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Right now, I can't see how Elli got to Wicked-scum.

basically this

im still shocked ppl found him scummy b4 the claim and maybe even after that. im convinced in hard bussing so dan or i guess elli

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Who looks esp bad re: wicked and d1

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i think i was shot last night fwiw

i didnt think id draw a nk but my soft + dan tunneling me must have been good enough

anyways i dont know for sure but i agree w massclaim

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8 )

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tbh i thought it was obvious d1 what i was claiming

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scum should also have a cocaine cop

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but i also dk why scum in this position would truthfully claim it

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ceph its not random -.-

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I have a 1-shot ability to give any cocaine currently in my possession to a target of my choice. I have confirmed with the mod that if I would die during the night that I use this action, my ability will go through before I die.

my flavor is that I'm a pizza delivery person named Duncan "Donut" Dapperwick. I don't think that's a real last name

Cephrir you're up

I KNEW YOU EXISTED


(hopefully town)

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i most definitely thought it was scum roleblocking me soooo

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I'm confused because I thought the Loud modifier doesn't let you know the action, just that you were targeted

I knew the action too

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i most definitely thought it was scum roleblocking me soooo

now they're roleblocking and shooting u?

Either or

Since I thought Ceph was town and townreading me, I'm just surprised

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What is your issue with my thought process...?

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I'm BP

I thought I was NKd because there was no nightkill. I think that's a pretty normal thing to think when you're BP
I got a PM I was roleblocked. Why would town roleblock me?

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I softed positive utility to town d1 first thing
ofc I assume scum want me as a roleblock target

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oh my flavour is Undercover Reporter Jay "Jacqueline" Conway


anyways that's why I claimed what I did d1
I didn't really expect it to work but I honestly thought maybe someone would trust me a little

also not full BP
novice 2-shot

pedit - no I won't be notified so I don't know

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elli go

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It literally says in my role PM that I won't be notified so I never had to ask

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Chess how much coke do you have as BP

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I have 0, never touched a soul

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N3

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not sure why BP CC makes it impossible that town has 2 BPs to combat the factional and the apparently ton of vigs

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I just don't understand the "notified" thing

I mean Ceph's role specifies he's loud for a reason,
I don't get told anything in regards to my role

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he CC'd me

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hold up

ok

i did get notified i was shot and i wanted to crumb this SUPER OBVIOUSLY so no one would hate me but chess kid woulldnt shut up and had to CC when our roles work fine together. i was waiting til the claims were over in case i could catch someone out into lying that they targeted me without them being afraid it incriminated them

you can lynch me tho cuz im pretty apathetic
i see myself being a detriment to town later on if my role cant be confirmed

not claiming ceph roleblocked me was my bad and even i can realize how bad that makes me look

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i tried to make big plays but it didnt work
this is why i dont gambit i dont know how to do it w grace lol

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**that i was roleblocked

give ginngie my coke their my biggest tr

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tbh i just didnt expect the CC
imagine if there wasnt one

it couldve been gr8

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yeah i aint even gonna defend but thats just me forgetting lol

sry 4 bad play!!

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elli u played vry well

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im donezo hito its ok

there was no point in me even fighting i couldnt last a day against the town prs alone
im sleepy and want to rest w no stress and am just trolling now

its only 3 scum and i accept defeat w grace because town played v well

VOTE: bins
!! no pranking

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ja

you shook the scumteam fr



also ive rolled scum like 4 games in a row
tired lol

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i really liked this concept for a game and hoped it would work out better and last longer
so i wanted to survive at least a day b4 going out

two games in a row where im last scum in a large theme when i had an initial team of 3 zzz

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ceph is goingto target spiffeh!!! ok hammer plz

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yeah no setup can compare to the fact scum lost their strongest role on d1 unfortunately
then as that occurs without the vig this game gets twice as hard

i just dont agree with such large ratios. 3-14 is hard to swing things in your favour even d1 just due to numbers. i think that matters. coming from a game that was like 3-21 i just keep feeling like im fighting a wall

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like d1 lynch is something 3-14 is going to be weak too in any setup.

! could have played it better tho

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*to

i swear i can speak english

and ya thanks fakegod!!

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also i even was saying in the scumchat i would rather i get lynched than wicked because his role is so important in comparison so i thought it was suicide to bus

pedit - nah i think my meta is pretty hard to differentiate and more dependant on my mood going into the game. like i have used that exact argument as town (if you look at Marked For Death its pretty clear), which is why i used it here. honestly this gets me fucked tho because im normally scumread as town because everyone thinks i sound like scum me -.-

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same idc