Mafia rating/ELO/reputation system?

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Team game ELO where the team changes is essentially meaningless.

It becomes basically impossible to sort out the effect of team play over the sample size most players play. You could work out some sort of way to correct for team skill by taking into account elo of players on team vs players on other team, but that is way more complicated than you are suggesting you want to do, and its probably not worthwhile on the whole.

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^^^^ that too.

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All that needs to happen is TEAM MAFIA THE REBOOT.

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Replacement is actively a good thing IMO. The fetishization of not replacing out is actively harmful to site meta.

It is explicitly in my rule set that people who are not enjoying or able to fully engage with the game for any reason should replace out.

[Thestatusquo]

I think the first two are not really individual game metrics but rather track service to the site in general.

Knowing that X player has replaced into 15% of their games doesn't really tell me anything about how good of a mafia player they are.

[Thestatusquo]

What?

You just posted it.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm pretty much against anything that would create a chilling effect on people replacing out of games when it is in their and the games best interest for them to do so.

I think tracking such a stat publicly would definitely do so.

[Thestatusquo]

So instead of an Elo, a statistic similar to wins over replacement like the stat heads use in baseball?

[Thestatusquo]

Right but war does what you're suggesting. Takes a lot of different stats, corrects for park factors and what not, and then boils them down to one number, which is the amount of 'wins' worth of value that player has been worth when compared to a baseline player.

It's a counting stat not a rate stat, so that probably doesn't exactly port to mafia, but I think it would be a good baseline thing for you to look into. I'll grab a link when I'm off my phone and at work that explains all the things that go into it and how they boil it down to one number.

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https://www.fangraphs.com/library/misc/war/

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A player playing in a game they are not enjoying and do not want to be playing is far worse than a replacement.

If you have a game with 3-4 players who are not enjoying it and are feeling apathetic and such the game becomes miserable. I'd much rather those players just replace out.

[Thestatusquo]

Yeah, I agree that is bad.

I don't think its captured by your current system, and I know of at least one player who has been banned for doing that, so its not like its a big problem without a solution currently.

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How would you capture that data?

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I think thats speculative at best.