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Post Post #16 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:11 am

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Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:55 am

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I'm a big fan of coalition governments.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:26 am

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You can hit me up on Skype at montywhittakeriii. My pm box is always open. Seriously, it's always pretty darn empty. :(
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Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:54 am

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In post 40, Cheery Dog wrote:Who wants to create a alliance to use more than the 42 votes used elsewhere?
If we ALL use 42 votes, imagine the chaos!
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Post Post #43 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:01 pm

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In post 42, Shrek wrote:I imagine that every vote would be a tiebreaker from then on?
It would become equivalent to a smaller competition, where the person eliminated chooses the next person eliminated, and so on.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:21 pm

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The interesting thing is that this strategy doesn't seem to be against the rules. It certainly isn't being done to troll the other players, but is arguably entirely done in self-defense. But it does completely change the strategy of the game itself.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #6) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:11 am

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In post 76, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 66, Save The Dragons wrote: Hey everyone I'm willing to join any and all alliances as a mascot
Offer is still on the table here is a taste:

Go team rah rah rah

Doesn't that just fill you with pep

All that and more can be yours for the low low price of free
i am looking for a personal life coach to send me encouraging messages throughout the day. Can you do that???
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Post Post #102 (isolation #7) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:38 pm

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In post 101, Save The Dragons wrote:Congrats on jury guys

Lots of hard work
i think i have to vote for STD this next time bc i forgot he was in the game but also he hasn't been encouraging me and it's been a rough week so STAY TUNED.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:14 am

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Oh my gosh.

Not trying to draw this out, but I'm about to head out of state for the weekend, so it may be a little bit before I can post the official decision. I want to talk to Raya and Chevre first.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #9) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:23 am

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Let's end the suspense--the sooner I do this, the sooner we can get everyone here for the final vote!

So, I started this game with a group of people, and we formed an alliance which, in large part, lasted until the end of this game. Having to make this decision now, though, is the most difficult vote I've had to be a part of thus far, since I was really close with both Chevre and Raya.

Ultimately, I want to make the decision that will most benefit me, and I hope that this one is it:

I vote to eliminate...

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Raya. Raya, we've already talked about this, but you've been a superb player, no one has ever really come after you, and you have absolutely crushed this game. Phenomenal job!
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Post Post #143 (isolation #10) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:38 pm

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I'm still in another state, which limits my availability, but rest assured, I will be writing responses to all of you.

Let's begin with a synopsis of events from the game, as I saw it, which will hopefully address some of STD's questions.

In this style of game, I knew that being a "big player" wasn't going to end well. I didn't want to be someone who everyone believed was talking to everyone else, and simultaneously, I didn't want to be SO taciturn that I ended up being taken out because of a perceived lack of effort. So I went with a middle ground--talking to a small group of people, and working to ensure that I could make it further from within that group.

Once I was in an alliance, consisting of some people I knew and had prior connections with, and some people I had never met, and was a little leery about, things started to take shape. The alliance came together much as Chevre describes it. I would characterize Mjollnir as someone who really spearheaded the movement in getting everything together, which was perfectly fine with me, so long as I was included in the final plans. Because this was a game which involved relatively low activity, we made it further with very no cohesive alliance challenging us. The only kinks in our plans were when people would spend all, or a large number, of their votes in a single round, which ended up taking out Cheery Dog and Vijarada.

I'll talk a little more about my general strategy in the early and mid-game in a moment, but for now, I want to jump to some of the most crucial votes, which were really from Final Six onwards. I took active steps in each of those rounds to get me further in the game. First off, at Final Six, I knew it would be very easy to turn the tide. I could have put 5 of my (then) 32 or so votes on someone I considered to be a threat, such as Mjollnir, and keep STD in the game. However, I didn't see any real utility in STD making it any further, partially because he had no voting power left, and the simple fact that he used that as a strategy from the very beginning could be just the thing that would earn him a win if he sat next to me or anyone else in the finals.

The next round, where Mjollnir was eliminated, saw one of my biggest moves of the game. I needed to take out Mjollnir, there was no question about that. As I said before, he had really laid the groundwork for bringing our alliance together, and I found it unlikely that anyone, especially myself, could win against him. So we had to take him out. However, I also knew that Raya was theoretically going to be close to Mjollnir, based on their interactions in our alliance chat. So I made an agreement with Raya to vote for Chevre, and simultaneously made an agreement with Chevre to vote for Mjollnir. It's important here to note that I did not violate any aspect of my agreements with either individual. I placed the agreed-upon number of votes on BOTH Chevre and Mjollnir that round, in order to secure my alliance with Chevre, and my "general understanding" with Raya. My rationale was--either way, I would be fine. If Mjollnir went home, I would be able to work with Chevre going forward, and if Mjollnir and Raya really were working together, Raya would have no choice but to join with me in future rounds--even if they weren't, Raya would know I was keeping my word when they saw the number of votes on Chevre. If Chevre had gone home, I would have lost one ally, but would have gained one in Raya. At that point, I would only need to survive one round to make it to the Final Three, where I would still have more than enough votes to end up making the final decision.

At Final Four, I spoke to StrangerCoug and found out that he was targeting Chevre. When I initially spoke to Raya, they were planning on voting for Chevre as well, but I convinced them to vote for SC instead. This was because there was no utility in having SC move further. He and I had never spoken to one another about an "alliance" per se, and I saw a benefit to keeping Chevre around, which I will elucidate later.

Finally, I've already kind of spoken about my rationale for dealing with the Final Three decision. The answer is simple: Chevre was a constant target toward the end, and Raya was not. If Raya made it to the end, I would have difficulty rationalizing explicitly why I played a "better" game, but in Chevre's case, I feel like I played a similar game, but better. We both played under the radar--but I did it without being seriously targeted. We both played this game with resource allocation in mind, but I played with full control of many of the votes toward the end of the game, while Chevre admits that he had fewer votes than he might have liked at the end of the game. We both played with alliances, but I made strategic alliances which would secure my spot here in the endgame, while I do not feel like Chevre would be here were it not for me bringing him further along.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #11) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:46 pm

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Now, some specific questions.

"How well do you think our alliance worked?"--I think it worked great! There were two votes which didn't go our way, that I already noted, but in general, most of us stayed on track with what we were supposed to do, and it ended up getting many of us to Final Five!

"What are you proud of?"--I'll be honest, I've never been more proud of a game that I've played. From early game to late game, I felt as though I was in a pretty comfortable spot, especially since others didn't realize how comfortable I was. In the early to mid game, I was one of the biggest champions in our alliance of being sure to "all vote together" and to "vote the number that we all agreed on". While preaching this message, however, I was myself not always sticking to the plan. I was usually using about one vote per round, depending on the round, and I left myself a sizable number of votes for the endgame. Additionally, I am still really proud of how I played the Final Five round. It was one time in my Survivor/LSG/Mish Mash career when I felt like I thought through all the options, took a risk (that I was able to take because of decisions to save votes that I had made beforehand), and had it pay off just like I imagined.

"What do you wish you did better?"--With that said, this is by no means a "perfect game", or anything remotely approaching it. Too many times in the early game, my fate was at the whims of someone else, like STD in round 1, and I didn't do anything to circumvent that risk. Additionally, I didn't play much of a social game, partially because I was mirroring everyone else, and only talking to people when it was directly relevant in a given round. Finally, I could have played the final rounds a little bit better. By making explicit Final Two alliances with both Raya and Chevre, I created a situation where I was going to have to personally piss off one of them. Raya, as you know, I spoke to you before posting my decision, and I hope you understand it, but I certainly would understand if you just had no interest in voting for me.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #12) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:50 pm

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"Privatei, did you consider talking to me about game at all"--Of course, man. You were one of the only people in this game who I had interacted with extensively beforehand. Going in, just looking at the playerlist, it would have been phenomenal to work directly with you. Unfortunately, you forced my hand. When you made your gambit in round one, there was just no way I could work with you. As much as I might want to approach you about getting further, I would have been incredibly surprised if that conversation didn't get spread to everyone else, leaving me as the number one target. And again, even if I entertained the notion of bringing you to the Final Two, I don't think it would have worked out. I'm not convinced that I could have won against you in the end, so there was really just no reason to talk game with you, giving you ammunition that you might not already have. I hope that answers your question, but I'm more than happy to provide clarification if needed.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:55 pm

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"1) In your words, why was I taken out first?"--I addressed this a little bit when talking about the game, but I'm happy to state it here too: if you made it to the end, you would have won. There's no question in my mind. You had done so much work in bringing the BOSS alliance together, and in keeping it together, that if you made it further in the game, it could pose a serious threat to me. In addition, eliminating you first at the Final Five gave me an additional benefit. If you and Raya really were working together, like I suspected, Raya would have no choice but to rely on me to get further. Whether you actually were working together or not, my actions had the desired effect, and Raya trusted me in the next round, which let me save votes for the very last round.

"2) Why did you have so many votes left at the end of the game?"--I had a lot of votes left in the end. Nineteen of the twenty-six votes in the Final Three belonged to me. This is because I saw this largely as a resource allocation game. By allocating fewer resources (votes) to a given round, I would have more for later, and by using other resources (alliances, etc.) I could effectively let the group collective do my dirty work for me. Despite me not contributing significantly to a majority of rounds, we still eliminated our target comfortably in a majority of rounds. This left me with a lot of votes once we made it to the Final Five, which allowed me to have a lot more options as we began to look at the endgame.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:56 pm

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I hope I've answered all of the questions that were in the thread to your satisfaction. If I have not, I look forward to providing further clarification tomorrow.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:00 pm

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I thought I was done, but one other thing I should have done better was not miss a round of voting! I literally had composed a pm to D3f to ask how many votes I had left, and was going to include my vote distribution for that round, but just completely forgot. So that was idiotic of me.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #16) » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:10 am

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"Monty, how come you chose to eliminate Std instead of backstab me in the final 6?"--Basically, to do so would have sown chaos. My whole game plan up to that point had basically been to sow chaos, but in limited quantities, so I could help manipulate the end result. To have taken you out would have meant that everyone would be on edge, and no one would be trusting each other, in my view. My game strategy didn't rely on having a close social connection with each individual player, but to form connections as needed when it came time for it, simply due to the more casual nature of the game to start with. So instead, I took a small risk in keeping you in for another round, and was able to successfully execute on my overall plan still.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:53 pm

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I was in a fourth state, and I apologize greatly for the delay.

Thanks so much to everyone who played, and especially to BOSS. It was so much fun to play this game with you guys.

D3f, as always, you're absolutely superb. Thanks so much for running this crazy game!
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