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[Klazam]

Hello peoples, I'm gonna read the game tonight. UNVOTE: for now

[Klazam]

Only able to skim the first 25 pages or so, school kinda on my mind at this point, will be free-r tonight to go in depth.

Initial townleans on tchill and taco. Tchill feels very much like the town tchill from the game i was in, which is very good for him. Taco is being taco, i dont think theres much to worry about from him at this point, gonna let him generate content and see if anything im concerned with pops up for him.

Boon's entry to the game DOES not feel like scum, so thats another townlean there.

well, thats all for now.

[Klazam]

Lets lynch UC before Klazam gets back

Let's lynch Klazam before Klazam gets back

Let's just lynch someone and get the day over with. Even if it's me. Holy crap phase lengths are insanely long on here.

Let's just lynch someone and get the day over with. Even if it's me. Holy crap phase lengths are insanely long on here.

Agree with this. Y’all pick somebody please.

Boon/why/uc/tacos/dunker are good imo.

screw you guys lol. have some patience.

But speaking of UC, the little i saw didnt impress me so far. might get more substantive on my complete read, might not, but leaving that here.


As an aside sub, you're VERY new here. 10 days for a day phase is actually on the shorter side of things for this site. Personally i like the long day phases, allows for more logic to be involved, and its also very nice for my schedule, which gives me very little time to post. If you're looking for short games, theres another queue for that, not to mention other sites, just saying.

PEDIT: AND UC POSTS THE SCUMMIEST THING EVER OH HOLY FUCK. THAT ONE POST IS ENOUGH FOR ME

VOTE: UC

jesus christ thats the worst arugement i've ever heard as a defense -> "If you lynch me, we'll be immediately down 4 townies. thats a bad idea amrite? Oh you could be scum, who knows?"
(quoting the said post:)

Spoiler:

have you ever considered what happens if I flip town and your town. If you are townie. then consider this.
town have lost: 0 people
scum have lost: 0 people
if you lynch me and i flip town
town have lost: 1
scum have lost: 0
townie is nked
town have lost: 2
scum have lost: 0
the town immediately assumes your scum for targeting me. you get lynched and flip town (In the case your town)
town have lost: 3
scum have lost: 0
townie is nked
town have lost: 4
scum have lost: 0

so. in this scenario, by day 3, the only thing we have to show is 4 dead townie.

if your scum, this doesn't matter. because
town have lost: 3
scum have lost: 1
still bad, but better. im not sure if your scum. i still have a scum read on you, but im starting to think you might just be a really bad townie

[Klazam]

like, that post gets worse the longer i look at it.

[Klazam]

wow.

new scum read.

I am having a scum read on Toranga

he just tried to set up a 2ed, and 3ed miss lynch!!!!!!well. possibly someone on his list is actually scum. He just tried to make a list of scum. me, assemble and boon. So when i get miss lynched, he can say "Assemble is next!" he is my next scum read! generally, assembles inactivity would make me think he is scum, but since i have been in a few games, i know that is his general play style.
He continues targeting me not even thinking about the possibility i am town, but he isn't idiot town. he has been on site since this summer.

Scum's in

1. UC Voyager
2. Toranaga
3. Sergtacos
4. Dunkerdoodles
5. Derpy Hooves
6. Sub4hire
7. Tchill13
8. Assemblerotws
9. Boonskiies
10. Acidphoenix
11. Alisae
12. WhyMafia

Boom, i just set up 12 mislynches! you all town, and im serial killer muahaha, time to hang me.

like what is that logic even.


(i also like how UC is #1 on that list, and how im #13. nice. niceeee.)

PEDIT: Goddamnit taco, you missed my vote. mine is on him too.

[Klazam]

..... dude

"dont hardclaim"

UNVOTE:

this is just a terrible player, good to know.

ill look elsehwhere tonight then. good night!

[Klazam]

Alternatively if we have an invest, that invest can invest him tonight and out it if it's a guilty tomorrow. If we don't get a result, there's either an inno or no invest. I think with a JK, it makes sense to have an invest though ...

this

[Klazam]

boon lynch isnt happening.

[Klazam]

Whymafia, i dont like D1 PR lynches personally.

[Klazam]

ugh i need to sleep but i keep on posting.

Ali, hes very new, i could see newbscum posting that lol.

And yeah, i see d1 pr lynches happen far too often, so it isnt common sense like you imply.

[Klazam]

Assemble is generally inactive. in all of his games.....this is nothing new, nor should it be significant

Wait, how much mafia experience do you have? 20 days or so? because this statement coming from newplayer doesnt make sense

[Klazam]

boon is a bad lynch imo.

i WAY overslept, didnt get the chance to reread.
gonna read over last few pages quickly then iso assemble

[Klazam]

Dude has less posts than me lol. But...

VOTE: Derpy
You are absolutely full of crap this game. Just because someone does a reaction test doesn't mean everything they say from that point on is inherently full of shit, and that's not even getting into the rest of your crap this game. You're confbiasing too hard on Boon and Why for a goddamn RVS reaction test, and I wish I could say that was a surprise.

This sounds like town to me.

not hammering.

[Klazam]

Alternatively if we have an invest, that invest can invest him tonight and out it if it's a guilty tomorrow. If we don't get a result, there's either an inno or no invest. I think with a JK, it makes sense to have an invest though ...

Alternatively if we have an invest, that invest can invest him tonight and out it if it's a guilty tomorrow. If we don't get a result, there's either an inno or no invest. I think with a JK, it makes sense to have an invest though ...

this

no no no no no no no

Why the fuck would you ever EVER waste an "invest" on this type of claim. That is awful awful strategy

youre right, yeah, a investigation on UC is bad. Scum HAS to kill him anyway, his role is too dangerous to scum. A invesigation on him would 100% be wasted.


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Whoever suggested the idea that boon could be lying about being fucked by the fires is scum of the earth. Like wtf man you dont joke about that shit.

[Klazam]

Yeah how is misrepping what’s happening town?

I still havent had the chance to read the game in full, so if this is true, i could very well be wrong. Im just saying from what i've seen out of his iso, that post in particular feels real to me, so im not gonna hammer.

Taco- stop pushing for a lolhammer. we have plenty of time to play.

PEdit- What's the purpose of sheeping me?

And Im saying derp is scum IRL, not ingame lol

[Klazam]

Alisae, i know taco well, this is him being bored. dont take his actions seriously.

[Klazam]

uh. I was clarifying my statement, i merely didnt say derpy was scum ingame. I have no idea what alignment he is, and i wont know til i full reread, his posts that i've read give me no indicator either way.

derpy, you implied a guy was lying for having his life fucked by fires at the moment- thats pretty not nice, yeah? I have friends over there getting fucked right now. If you construct that as a personal attack, alright then, I wont say anything about it no more, but i feel strongly compelled to call you out for that line, thats it.

taco is not playing like town should = TRUE, Taco IS playing like his meta = TRUE, Taco hasnt been scum before = TRUE therefore this behavior from him is NAI.

[Klazam]

And thats actually his town behavior- Tchill can attest. That D1 with Tchill, me, and taco was the exact same behavior as this. Remember, tchill?

[Klazam]

Taco, chill, bro

[Klazam]

And thats actually his town behavior- Tchill can attest. That D1 with Tchill, me, and taco was the exact same behavior as this. Remember, tchill?

then he should adapt

Taco, you DO need to change your playstyle to be more stable, but unfortunately im gonna hard defend you from people who read your playstyle as scum.

But now your bitching is a bit excessive, which is kinda scummy coming from you lol.

[Klazam]

Taco is lying in order to push for a hammer, nothing new from him.

[Klazam]

Guys, lets take a break from thread until either assemble posts, or i finish my reread, yeah? im going away now.

[Klazam]

Klaxzam regardless of your alignment never play with me again

Based on what, if you do not mind?

[Klazam]

Klaxzam regardless of your alignment never play with me again

Based on what, if you do not mind?

Personal attack on me

I apologize for that. I was upset that you made that statement, but there was better ways to put it. Wont happen again.

[Klazam]

gamedays shouldn't take this long yeah. and then people start bickering at each other because of personality clashes. and almost everyone is high posting anyway, IDK why this couldn't be 36;12 like in other places

tacos why did you say assemble claimed VT, I ISO'd and didn't see that

i lied

you're literally the reason why town loses so much in MS

Oh yeah? How so?

you're anti-town dude. look... reaction tests are bad. flat out lying to people to get someone lynched is bad. what if assemble is town? what if someone hammers him because you lied, and he flips town pr? and then say you're town, how do you defend yourself next gameday? TONE? "he wouldn't be so anti-town as scum"? MS needs to start hard punishing bullshit like that so that scum can't simply be antitown and get away with it. I'm not gonna deal with this bullshit any further. you will stop lying and you will stop reaction testing. just fucking play the game properly jfc.

goodpost

[Klazam]

I know your playstyle, i know your meta, I've said i'd hard defend your posts because of your meta. I've also said that you need to change your playstyle in the past, didnt I? Thats NAI for me, and your scumread on me is bull.

[Klazam]

vote: sergtacos

here is a good d1 policy lynch

Disagree with this.

[Klazam]

Taco, you need to take a moment to chill.

Tor- It's his meta, its bad, but its also true that he does that shit because he thinks its funny. leave it alone.

derpy, Link me to your case on whymafia so i can read it and get this travesty of a day over with if i agree.

[Klazam]

I wanna know the whymafia case here.

Ill be able to start my full read in 2 or 3 hours, depending on how long this homework assignment takes me.

[Klazam]

Alright im present. Time to tackle this monster

[Klazam]

This is the only real attempt i've had.

[Klazam]

*slowly reclines in seat now that klazam hasn't solved the game yet.*

im reading as fast as i can. im up to page 16

[Klazam]

A) last few selfvotes i've seen was from either scum or mulch, following latest sitemeta, this is now a very viable lynchslot
B) explain alisae read please. im up to page 25 or so, and im seeing differently

[Klazam]

I wanted to replace out the minute derpy started death tunneling me, but it wouldn't stop their tunnel lol.

thank you for not replacing out btw. far too many people replace out like that and it fucks with the game.

[Klazam]

I read 1083 words per minute, last time i tried a reading speed test. Im also typing and checking new posts.

[Klazam]

This stuff actually makes me lean town on Why, i know i shouldnt be giving cred to the selfvote, but... i am. unvote yourself please.

[Klazam]

Before i start, im gonna note im gonna just ignore UC and taco completely in this read- UC because he has shown that hes not that great of a player/PR claim, taco because taco.

Im gonna be typing my thoughts as i go

Pages 1-3:

Boon feels town so far
Whymafia's play is.. interesting. the miller claim and retraction doesnt track as scum to me.

4

Like how did it hurt town

He deceived us. It makes him untrustworthy. If he’s actually town that makes it harder for me cause I can no longer trust him.

This is rather awkward to say here.

OH FUCK I just remembered boon's playstyle from that other game. Alright, this can be town for now. Pls no fake innoncent claims this game, pls.

5

Im liking that boon is showing similiar thoughts regarding derpy as me

9

Really like Ali's entry into the game

Did sub just drop a naked vote on derpy? ISO time... ah yes he did, but looks like rvs, so ignoring

10

having said that, taco and uc not maf/maf, but having those two as top wagons today would make things interesting from an information perspective going into tomorrow

dont like this line from sub, subtly encouraging a information lynch instead of a serious lynch

11

Ali is solid here again, like the reply to sub

Derpy, you insisting you dont wanna be a part of D1, yet being heavily involved is kind of odd. arent you the one pushing assemble later on? ill need to check that.

13

If he lied lets policy lynch him.

People don’t like to do that for some reason. Boom would make a good PL though cause I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him play well as town.

You seem open to a policy lynch here, yet i recall you objecting to policy lynches? checking that right now

here it is

vote: sergtacos

here is a good d1 policy lynch

let's stop with the policy lynches and just lynch scum

vote whymafia for 2017 scum of the year

Why the switch?

16

wat. Tor is behind. lol doing a catchup post for only page 2.

17

Im agreeing with ali here about how Why's posts in that 1v1 dialog with Tchill feels unnatural.

18

Reminder to self to iso Dunk

19

Why's defensiveness feels strange + Dunk's affirmations also feels off here

22

lol tor is on page 3 now

23

Sub, how do you and i have such different reads on Ali

24 ish

tbh im regretting my vote on UC at this point. so painfully noobtown

25/26

Sub's flipout on my slot is a interesting read, I'm not completely certain how that makes me feel, considering LUV does read a bit scummy from my PoV here

27

around here is where im starting to waver on my inital townread on tchill, alisae may have something here.

30

Whymafia starting to score some more townpoints, while tchill looks a bit worse

33

Just look at Tchill's ISO and then his read progression of me

im terrible town man give me a break

this is the bullshittest excuse i've ever heard

agreed

36

Liking Dunk here,
Derpy is reminding me of another player, cant recall who, but i think im inclined to give the benefit of doubt to him, D2 better be good.

40

fuck no thanks to 150 pages

41 alright, i replace in here, and i believe i've read most of the stuff after this point


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I realize this is a giant wallpost without much content. bear with me. now checking for who pushed on assemble, if its derpy, we gonna have words ---- ok its not, never mind on that point.

ISOd acid to help my read, gonna say town

alright, im good with a tchill vote. Tchill, you know me from previous games, convince me this is town tchill and not scum tchill.

[Klazam]

Scum:
Tchill, sub, derpy

Town:
UC, taco, alisae, why, acid, dunk, boon

whos not accounted for:
assemble, tor

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Huh thats interesting. ISOing Tor- why dont i have a read on him?

[Klazam]

Ok he can be town.

bear in mind im not putting the 3 scum as a team, i scumread them independently and i dont do assocatives without flips. and also keep in mind i change reads a lot, so expect my list to evolve over subsequent days.

[Klazam]

I think i have scum reads on klazam

#1 He has a town read on someone who voted for themselves. I could have sworn that only mafia self vote

#2 he just set up more miss lynches. so when derpy flips town, he has the next few planned

#3 he is trying super ar to defend whymafia. with little to no reason to do so
lets see if he adds more reasons


here klazam
lets lynch why maf today

IF they flip town, then we will go with your plan.
IF they flip scum, then we might need to reconsider who is the other 2

what plan?
also im not stringing up mislynches, i said that my scumreads are independent of each other.
whymafia's selfvote post reads as frustrated town and not as scum giving up or grasping for towncred to me.

Derpy, thats a fair answer.

Sub, i know.

Why, i need to know why yopure scumreading ali, I might need to reevaluate things, considering i kind of see the sense in everything ali posts :-/

Tchill ok then. Wait no, i actually lynched you when you were scum. :p

Off to dinner i go

[Klazam]

Not referring to this game, referring to the first one I played where I chose to vote you over taco.

Also ugh. This game doesn't make me feel good.

[Klazam]

Klazam why do you like my entry?

feels honest, then for the rest of game, your posts dont feel like its pushing any agenda of any kind plus whatever you were saying, i was seeing it also. Thats why im questioning about why people're scumreading you. either im miscalculating badly and you pocketed me hard, or we're on the same wavelength.

[Klazam]

wait. Taco, what about my play makes it seem like im being careful? You know me, you know i say everything that pops in my head in games.

[Klazam]

wait. Taco, what about my play makes it seem like im being careful? You know me, you know i say everything that pops in my head in games.

"you know me" dude.... stop if youre town. youre making me scum read you harder. i think im paranoid xD

K. Still want an answer on why you think im being careful.

[Klazam]

thats out of context. he clearly did that as a jab at whymafia

[Klazam]

Alisae claimed she wanted to repllace out but didn't because of "mulch". could be because she's scum but we'll see.

Explain

[Klazam]

Im ok with my lynch, im not contributing anything meaningful and tbh my reads is trash, and the day is ending soon so info from my flip is better than nothing. One thing i gotta say here- I strongly suspect taco is scum, this time. certain things, not something i can really explain, but certain things, just feels wrong. Think hes playing to town meta and faking his anger, to make me townread him. I was willing to let it slide so i could try and form a better read on him over subsequent days, but since im getting hung, i need to mention it. dont townlock him.

[Klazam]

oh right, i never voted.

VOTE: Tchill This is what i wanna do today.

[Klazam]

Ah, im on L-1.

No need for me to claim anything, wouldnt matter.

[Klazam]

I miscounted, its L-2 now.

Is there any questions or whatever people wanna hear from me before i hang?

[Klazam]

Taco, lynch a claimed PR? you high?

[Klazam]

Why apologize, whymafia?

[Klazam]

Then why vote me?

what would a claim from me do, other than outting what could be my potential role and shrinking scum kill pool?

[Klazam]

I mean, i think youre town, but thats just not good play, voting someone to force claims isnt a good strategy for town. scum on teh other hand...