Open 698: Stack the Deck (GAME OVER)

UnaBombaH · Post Post #975 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:48 am

Who here STILL thinks I'm the only reasonable lynch for today?
I have three votes on me as of now, but it feels like people are not even trying to find reasonable scumreads outside of me.
Is it because I'm not straight up falling in to the generic mold of trying to force a 1v1 once I'm pressured?
Also to note: I am not going to claim today even if you put me back to L-1, because it would only help scum (as would lynching me).

I realized that if you lynch me today, our vig hits town, and scum successfully NK's, we are technically always at a LyLo (even if a Traitor hasn't been recruited, they know their teammates and would assumedly assist in a quickhammer? Haven't seen a situation like that before, but assume it would work like that.)

PMysterious · Post Post #976 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 am

Vote Count 2.3

With 10 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.

Assemblerotws- 1 (Realeo)
Realeo- 0
Chip Butty- 1 (Mulch)
ironstove- 0
Luca Blight- 0
Mulch- 1 (ironstove)
Alchemist21- 0
grapes- 0
CommKnight- 0
UnaBombaH- 3 (grapes, Assemblerotws, Alchemist21)

PMysterious has been prodded. He has 24 hours to respond, or he will risk being replaced.

CommKnight · Post Post #977 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:50 am

In post 975, UnaBombaH wrote:
Who here STILL thinks I'm the only reasonable lynch for today?

I have three votes on me as of now, but it feels like people are not even trying to find reasonable scumreads outside of me.
Is it because I'm not straight up falling in to the generic mold of trying to force a 1v1 once I'm pressured?
Also to note:
I am not going to claim today even if you put me back to L-1
, because it would only help scum (as would lynching me).

I realized that if you lynch me today, our vig hits town, and scum successfully NK's, we are technically always at a LyLo (even if a Traitor hasn't been recruited, they know their teammates and would assumedly assist in a quickhammer? Haven't seen a situation like that before, but assume it would work like that.)

Well... now... it's not moving.

VOTE: Una - No intent to claim = scum claim. Not putting up with petty bullshit like "I'm not claiming because it'd only help scum HUE HUE HUE". No, you're claiming this time or eating rope.

Realeo · Post Post #978 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:41 pm

Luca Blight · Post Post #979 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:10 pm

Prod dodge - will catch up in about ten hours time.

Mulch · Post Post #980 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:55 pm

In post 977, CommKnight wrote:- No intent to claim = scum claim

I've made it a policy to fact-check stuff like this...link me the games you've seen scum do this?

ironstove · Post Post #981 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:34 pm

I'm ready to change my vote to una

UnaBombaH · Post Post #982 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:00 pm

In post 977, CommKnight wrote:No, you're claiming this time or eating rope.

Or how about I don't claim, you lynch me, and you see the flip then?

If we were to massclaim, I'm down, but me claiming at L-1 in this game is nothing but a formality.
And I think you know it Comm.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #983 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:33 pm

Analyzing my wagon wont be much of a help either, because CK is acting the leader. And he is pushing you to another mislynch tomorrow.
Assemble is scum though, I do not see anything towny there.
CK is likely scum too, because of how he danced off and on the wagon. The third scum is off atm.

I mean, I made three posts before going to sleep, and CK cherrypicked to "analyze" the one he could use as a reason to vote me again.
If mulch is town, he needs to take a stronger role (like he normally does), otherwise CK will just roll over you.

I think I'm actually the one player here who knows who our vig is, but I'm still going to give them an idea for the pool even if this can't happen.
CommKnight, Alchemist, Assemble

Why these?
Comm for reasons stated above.
Alch because if I'm lynched today, you can go and read his suspect-list OUTSIDE OF TUNNELING ME, and based on his flip you get them reads.
Assemble for almost certain red-flip.
If he is a Traitor, he likely hasn't crumbed to his buddies because of how he started.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #984 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:37 pm

In post 0, PMysterious wrote:You have a one shot bulletproof ability if you are not recruited.

If you are not recruited and are the last surviving member of the mafia, you will take over the factional kill.

Hold the fucking phone.
I just read this again and realized the Traitor is a lot stronger here than in other games. Now Im even more sure Assemble is traitor.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #985 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:39 pm

In post 17, Assemblerotws wrote:
In post 15, Realeo wrote:
In post 9, Assemblerotws wrote:VOTE: CommKnight
This guy was one of the people who sank me hard last time we played.
Are you going to crumb for your traitor?
No, for three reasons:
1: I'm Town.
2: The Traitor already knows the identities of the Mafia members.
3: If I were Mafia, my first move would be to recruit the Traitor.

Also this would've been Realeo catching crumbs towards CommKnight page 1..

Realeo · Post Post #986 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:42 pm

I kinda do not understand anybody's read. Everybody read is something like X is scum because he townread or scumread Y.

Like, pretty much

anybody

is scummy for doing that.

I never get analysis like "well it is scummy, but the reason at the end of the day it is scum is..."

The linearity of the logic is annoying.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #987 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:43 pm

In post 17, Assemblerotws wrote:3: If I were Mafia, my first move would be to recruit the Traitor.

Only Mafia knows whether the Traitor was recruited or not, so this could be him signaling to them that he should've been recruited.

Realeo · Post Post #988 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:44 pm

I kinda like Mulch's read and Luca's read, but the problem with Mulch' read is that the progression of confidence is unnatural. Mulch can be hyper-aggressive, but not sure if it warrants such hyper-aggressiveness.

Realeo · Post Post #989 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:47 pm

I don't know why people care about vig pool. For all its worth, I could be a vig and don't give a fuck about it.

Realeo · Post Post #990 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:51 pm

I don't understand why Una has to scumread Alchemist's question. It's pretty much just a interrogative question. You can't accuse someone not giving a honest evaluation if you don't shut up and allow him to respond to your clarification.

Realeo · Post Post #991 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:52 pm

I like 974.

Realeo · Post Post #992 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:54 pm

If you guys allow me, I am going to shut up again. Me not talking in D2 seems to be a wise choice.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #993 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:58 pm

In post 992, Realeo wrote:If you guys allow me, I am going to shut up again. Me not talking in D2 seems to be a wise choice.

I disagree.
Take a stance on my lynch for example.
Vote me or make it VERY CLEAR you still/now disapprove of lynching me.
Like 100% clear.
This way we might actually get SOMETHING out of this dumbass mislynch-wagon.

Realeo · Post Post #994 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:01 pm

I have a made a lot of stand on a lot of shit.

I am the first guy who made a stand on why you are unlikely to be non-traitor.
I am the first guy who made a stand why Assembrelowts is scum.
I am the first guy who made a stand on IceGuy telling why he is unlikely to be non-traitor.

Don't you tell me how to make a stand, especially since you're in D1 decided not to make a stand.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #995 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:04 pm

In post 990, Realeo wrote:I don't understand why Una has to scumread Alchemist's question. It's pretty much just a interrogative question. You can't accuse someone not giving a honest evaluation if you don't shut up and allow him to respond to your clarification.

What is this in reference to?

Realeo · Post Post #996 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:07 pm

Talking to 971. I understand your frustration but I do not understand the read progression.

UnaBombaH · Post Post #997 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:20 pm

In post 994, Realeo wrote:I have a made a lot of stand on a lot of shit.

Didn't say you haven't.

In post 994, Realeo wrote:I am the first guy who made a stand on why you are unlikely to be non-traitor.
I am the first guy who made a stand why Assembrelowts is scum.
I am the first guy who made a stand on IceGuy telling why he is unlikely to be non-traitor.

"unlikely to be non-traitor" means "likely either town or traitor", right?
Also: cool you were the first!

In post 994, Realeo wrote:Don't you tell me how to make a stand, especially since you're in D1 decided not to make a stand.

......ok?
I'm just hoping you don't get passive, that is all.
I'm very busy IRL myself, but when I can, I post as much as I can.
I just hope you do the same.

(also I think I have taken a clear stance?)

Realeo · Post Post #998 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:50 pm

There is a moment in mafia that when you feel you're dominating the game, you must shut up and allow others to speak up...

...which is why I am excited for ironstove.

Realeo · Post Post #999 (ISO) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:55 pm

The problem of this game is that the justification of "Your argument is too generic or copying" is being used too often. (Remember nIceGuy?) which hint to a dynamic problem in this game.

Just because someone is too generic or copying, does not mean scum flailing. It can mean great towns think alike, but one bitch consistently talk about it earlier.

So I shut up. So we can actually know if it is the former or the latter.

#inb4PhilosophyWallAccusation