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Hold on, why would I be lynched?In post 4, BTD6_maker wrote:Day 1 VC 1
Luca Blight: Human Sequencer
Vaxkiller: TywinL
Elliberetta: Vaxkiller
Not Voting: Luca Blight, Elliberetta
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-09 07:30:00)
At deadline, Luca Blight would be lynched.
With 5 players, it's 3 to lynch!- Luca Blight
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1. This game uses plurality lynching mechanics. If a simple majority of players agree on a lynch prior to deadline, that lynch will occur. Otherwise, at deadline the player with the most votes is lynched.Ties are broken by seniority of the last vote.The number of players required to lynch will be in all vote counts. In the event that no one votes for an entire Day, I will randomly lynch a Townie.
Surely this means the player with the last vote would be lynched?- Luca Blight
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How am I 'making it up'?In post 22, Elliberetta wrote:And I think that you're making that up for the sake of being proactive.
But that's all fine. We need some catalysts after all.
Show me where you were being proactive in your previous three posts?- Luca Blight
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Is making things happen not the very definition of being proactive?In post 24, Elliberetta wrote:I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't actually believe there was stuff to be proactive about and just wanted to make things happen.
But if you're serious then you might be a tad bit crazy.
You're now discrediting me by calling me 'crazy' instead of responding reasonably to my concern by either a) pointing out where you were in fact being proactive or b) explaining why you weren't being proactive.- Luca Blight
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Of course it's alignment-indicative, especially in this set-up.
As scum you don't care who is lynched, as long as it's not yourself, so you will be happy to wait until someone is wagoned/suspected.
As Town, it is our job to find the correct two people, otherwise we risk lynching our own and losing the game.- Luca Blight
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It certainly wouldn't beIn post 34, Human Sequencer wrote:
idk dude looks pretty obviously like you were trying to call her scum, unless you wanna get semantic which would be dumbIn post 21, Luca Blight wrote:The sort of entrance I would expect from nervous scum.dumbtogetsemanticif you're going to twist my words out of context.
Saying something looks scummy is different from saying that person mustnecessarilybe scum, which is the wording you used in your previous post.
She admitted to discrediting me in 26.In post 34, Human Sequencer wrote: there was also that time u accused her of discrediting
Not town 'motivations' as such, but are you really asking me 'In post 34, Human Sequencer wrote: can you think of town motivations to enter the game without a splash in the manner eli hascould Town enter the game in such a way'? Obviously the answer is yes; it could be a player that lacks confidence or adopts an alternative playstyle, as has been discussed, but it doesn't excuse the possibility it could also be scummy - which is why I probed further.
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No, it isn'tIn post 36, Human Sequencer wrote:oh no it's dumb semantics ;-;
we both know what I meant. i didn't twist your words out of context, i directly quoted them. the difference between "you are acting like nervous scum" (which is precisely what you said) and "you are necessarily be scum" is semantic and dumbsemantic and dumb, because it's a completely different meaning.
My quote:
Means that, based on the entrance, that person appears scummy. The key word being 'In post 21, Luca Blight wrote: The sort of entrance I would expect from nervous scum.appears' i.e. not certain. As I mentioned before, that entrance could be made by Town also.
Your version of my quote:
Means that unquestionable, that person is scum. The word 'necessary' is definitive.In post 36, Human Sequencer wrote: "you are necessarily be scum"
At the risk of even more 'In post 36, Human Sequencer wrote: would you please clarify on your read, are you pushing them or just probing?
as for thoughts I don't really have much
trying to feel out their personality rndumb semantics' can you make a distinction between the two?
I guess pushing is the same as probing, only stronger? In which case I'd say I was indeed 'probing' on this occasion.- Luca Blight
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That's some pretty strange logic.In post 38, Vaxkiller wrote:I think one of luca/elib are scum. Maybe both. I've never seen such deep conversations on page 2!
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In post 18, Luca Blight wrote:1. This game uses plurality lynching mechanics. If a simple majority of players agree on a lynch prior to deadline, that lynch will occur. Otherwise, at deadline the player with the most votes is lynched.Ties are broken by seniority of the last vote.The number of players required to lynch will be in all vote counts. In the event that no one votes for an entire Day, I will randomly lynch a Townie.
Surely this means the player with the last vote would be lynched?
@Mod- can you clear this up?
The rule states that seniority is given to the last vote in result of a tie, so why would it be me who'd be lynched at deadline when I was voted first, not last?- Luca Blight
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It's called pulling the game out of RVS - what is the scum motivation behind that exactly?In post 43, Vaxkiller wrote:
There is literally nothing to be analyzed so deeply, this conversation between you two seems contrived.In post 39, Luca Blight wrote:
That's some pretty strange logic.In post 38, Vaxkiller wrote:I think one of luca/elib are scum. Maybe both. I've never seen such deep conversations on page 2!
Why would having a 'deep conversation' mean either one or both of us are scum?
And 'contrived'? That implies we're a scumteam, which is impossible in this set-up.- Luca Blight
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@ Eli- No. But earlier he said....
Which implies he must have read the rules himself. So I ask, how is it possible for one to read the rules and yet miss the colourful wording below:In post 17, Vaxkiller wrote:Becuase u were first voted, read the rules dude!~
In post 2, BTD6_maker wrote:This setup is Nano-Multiball, a setup of my own devising.
There are 3Vanilla Townies, 1Mafia Goon, and 1Werewolf Goon.
Night 1 only occurs if Town was lynched on Day 1. (Nights 2 and beyond do not occur).
Scum NKs (on Night 1 if possible) are compulsive. If no kill is submitted, a random target is chosen. Scum may not self-target.
If a scum is killed during Night 1, their own kill action will not work unless it is a cross-kill. (For example, if Mafia A kills Werewolf B and Werewolf B kills Townie C, B would die and C would survive). If scum cross-kill, Town wins.
If both scum are alive at the start of Day 2, the scum both draw (counted as half a win each) and Town loses. This occurs if and only if Town is lynched on Day 1 and both scum kill Town on Night 1 (even if they kill the same Townie).
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Did you or did you not read the rules prior to making that comment?In post 64, Vaxkiller wrote:Yeah except my "read the rules post" was wrong and BTD6 explained it differently.- Luca Blight
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This is now ringing alarm bells for me, considering you made this vote so casually:In post 69, Vaxkiller wrote:3 town 2 scum
If you're being genuine in what you say, why did you think it was a good idea to vote someone so casually in MYLO? If you and Tywin were Town, it would be game over very soon.
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So you read a warning about the easiness of which a quick-lynch could happen (especially given your belief that there are two scum on the same team in a 5p game) and yet you ignored it and voted randomly in the very next post?In post 73, Vaxkiller wrote:
Because I read this and didnt think about it.In post 9, Luca Blight wrote:If you're town then be careful with your vote - it only takes three to lynch.
I don't buy this at all.- Luca Blight
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But yours is worse as you apparently believed there were two scum on the same team.In post 81, Vaxkiller wrote:FUck you, everyone else voted too
I've seen enough here to....
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Yes, you misread your role pm. I guess that would cause me to pause, but for the fact it still doesn't explain this:In post 90, Vaxkiller wrote:DId you read my recent game i posted?
Your actions betray your claim that you thought the setup was 3 Town vs 2 scum of the same team.In post 89, Luca Blight wrote:Vax, you're an experienced enough player to know that if it's 3T V 2M in LYLO that you don't just throw a casual vote at someone random, therefore your explanation for not knowing the setup doesn't hold water.- Luca Blight
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Because voting someone at random in the setup you believed it to be is different from overlooking a detail - it's something you already know not to do, so cannot be excused by meta that you once overlooked something in your role PM.In post 92, Vaxkiller wrote:Im not sure how those correlate- Luca Blight
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Because if it's 3T v 2M of the same alignment, which is what you believed it to be, then that L-2 will quickly become L-0 if both you and the player you voted are Town.
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My argument is your mindset isn't that of Town.In post 108, Vaxkiller wrote:I like how your argument is that I'm terrible so I'm scum. Like I can't be terrible and town?- Luca Blight
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It makes sense if he's scum simply because he's not looking at it from a Townie perspective.In post 111, Elliberetta wrote:20% doesn't make sense either way since if he's scum that's calculating correctly that number would be 25% right?
Regardless, I can see the line where he's scum that mentally think he's looking for one other scum and that there are 5 players in the game so 1/5.
Vax, how did you reach the 20% number?
Lucas what do you think of HS?
Regarding HS, I really don't like him at all this game and he is my second biggest scumread. I'm not sure if he's scum or just has an awkward playstyle, however.
HS' attitude towards Vax confuses me though as I'd have thought scum would be more predatory in such a situation.
The question is though, would scum want to lynch scum or townie today? Probably a Townie I would imagine, because if scum is lynched there is no night phase.- Luca Blight
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32 - HS seems to be playing the role of mediator. Not sure exactly what he's trying to achieve other than stall progression/look as though he's doing something.
48 - Tells Vax and Tywin we don't have time to 'sit around doing nothing', but until this post he had done nothing apart from mirep my remark in 21.
His question to Vax is decent here, but I don't like his question to Tywin that suggests Eli ran off when 'under-pressure' - a) I don't think she was particularly under pressure at that time and b) it's quite as assumption to say she 'ran off' without reasonably considering that there may be a valid reason for why she wasn't posting at that time.
53 - He now calls my interaction with Eli 'good' - that wasn't the impression I got from his comments in 32.
Why does HS 'assume' that both Tywin and Vax are town here? That would imply both me and Eli are scum, which doesn't match up to his previous comments in this game.
Now HS is the one 'back-peddaling' a bit here as he's trying to make out he didn't call Eli 'scummy' in 48 - while that is factually true, it was certainly implied. He makes out his negative question regarding Eli was purely to bring Tywin out, but this doesn't seem genuine to me, nor does his saying that he's happy' with Tywin's response - it reeks of fake scumhunting.
55 - Trying to excuse everything he's said as 'trying to inject energy into the game'. I feel like his post 32 was the opposite of 'injecting energy' and all it feels like he's been doing since is stirring up trouble amongst the other players.
95 - a highly dubious post. As Eli mentioned above, it reallyisblack and white regarding Vax - if it was a genuine slip then he can't be scum as he'd know there was no scumteam - if it wasn't genuine he must be scum for the opposite reason,
His comment regarding me and Eli here is horrible - saying we look scummy but also fence-sitting by saying there could be plausible town motivation. HS really needs to answer what exactly we have done that is scummy?
And why should Vax reply to 48 as a priority over questioning from others? Does HS not see that his question in 48 has actually been made redundant by this point? I'm starting to question whether he's even still following the thread.
100 - Criticises Eli's apparent lack of effort by making his own post that clearly lacks effort.
118 - Why not answer any of the points raised?
120 - So now suddenly I'm Town's best hope when you previously said I looked scummy? And why are you still voting me if you genuinely feel this way?- Luca Blight
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Just noticed this sneaky alternative account.In post 59, Ellibereth wrote:As I talked about earlier, I think deciding that is almost completely based on meta. Do you have play experience with him?
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While you may dislike missing out on the credit due to you, are you really saying that claiming credit myself is something alignment-indicative in this setup?In post 171, TywinL wrote: So yesterday I was liking Luca more, no reason why in particular, he seemed more towny than Elli. But I am not a huge fan of Luca's intro post into today, it seems like he's trying to claim credit over Vax being scum, whereas I also thought Vax was scum too.
It was more annoyance at him wriggling through my grasp than claiming credit though, to be fair.- Luca Blight
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The more I look at this post the more it jumps out at me.In post 172, Elliberetta wrote:
Wait wait hold on.He could have easily shot either me or Elli and I don't think he shot Luca because it was a strong town read of his. So honestly I am leaning towards Elli here.
From your pov if you were town it should be:
If he shot Elli, Elli's town.
If he shot me (Tywin) it means nothing for Elli or Luca's alignments.
If he shot Luca, Lucas' town.
Right?
This seems really sketchy.
Because if you're scum you know he shot me or Luca.
And that he thought Luca was town so he likely shot me.
Like it seems like you may have considered you getting shot less becauause you knew it didn't happen?
And if you were town your scumlean should be probabilisticly towards Luca using shot logic.
On the other hand I can see that Luca's been online.
What do you think.
First Eli is jumping on Tywin's mistake (which I guess is far enough, although she's a bit severe) but then at the end draws attention back to me with 'but Luca's been online, what do you think'?
It's like she want to pressure Tywin but doesn't want to risk turning it into a 1v1 battle, so throws a bit of shade over me at the end (for being online of all things). The tone of her post goes from hostile to suddenly co-operative.
It just feels a bit weird.- Luca Blight
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Was I happy for Vax to die when I put him at L-1?In post 181, Elliberetta wrote:I need to get back to work but I had stuff I wanted from you in the second half of my first post of the day.
Pretty much - I was fairly convinced I'd caught scum, but it just seemed too easy, and too many times in the past I've been 100% convinced someone was scum, only for them to then flip town.
I wanted to consider it rationally before committing to my vote.- Luca Blight
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Well, if we lynched scum on D1 there would be no night phase, so it wouldn't have been essential to find both scum there and then.In post 185, Elliberetta wrote:
See this is where my only problem with you this whole game lies.In post 183, Luca Blight wrote:
Was I happy for Vax to die when I put him at L-1?In post 181, Elliberetta wrote:I need to get back to work but I had stuff I wanted from you in the second half of my first post of the day.
Pretty much - I was fairly convinced I'd caught scum, but it just seemed too easy, and too many times in the past I've been 100% convinced someone was scum, only for them to then flip town.
I wanted to consider it rationally before committing to my vote.
I feel like town would be motivated to chill out and to find the second scum.
You did eventually with HS but it seemed to me like your instinct was just wanting to be sure on Vax and that would suffice to go for a lynch.
It was more just the sudden change of tone (athough I apparently misunderstood your post). It was like you wanted Tywin to suspect me for not posting while online instead of focusing all his attention on you.In post 186, Elliberetta wrote:
Also r.e. this. Isn't what you just described here more likely to come from town than scum anyways? Have you played in lylo situations before?It's like she want to pressure Tywin but doesn't want to risk turning it into a 1v1 battle, so throws a bit of shade over me at the end (for being online of all things). The tone of her post goes from hostile to suddenly co-operative.
General paranoia towards both sides and the constant sway between wanting to settle and not settle and cooperate and not cooperate is a natural mindset in high stakes situations like this. And its certainly what i'm feeling now.- Luca Blight
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In post 191, TywinL wrote:Also Elli does have a point regarding finding the whole two scum, not just one thing.
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Basically, this is where I'm at:
Tywin looks more scummy on the surface through his general lack of content and laid-back approach. It seems as though he's content to see others do the work while he just follows on afterwards.
Eli looked pretty town on D1, but then it's always hard to tell when scum are looking for scum. If I hadn't seen her alt-slip I'd probably be more sure of her being Town now, but obviously she's a much more experienced player than Tywin so would do a lot better as scum. Her stance today makes me feel a bit uneasy with how on the fence she is - I would have expected that from Tywin, but I expected her to be a bit more assertive after D1.
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Do you have any meta to show this is how you play as Town?In post 197, TywinL wrote:I already explained that. If you think I'm scummy because I am not putting in too much work, well that's just my playstyle. I don't like to make giant cases on people with big walls.
It's mainly a tonal thing.In post 201, Elliberetta wrote:
So why did you think it was weird that I'm on the fence and paranoid today?In post 196, Luca Blight wrote:Yes I have.
I see you're back to your assertive self again. Nice to have you back.
I don't think its hard to see how today and yesterday are very different.
Which me is around really depends on the time of the day.
(but actually, I'm assertive when i'm sure about stuff. else not really).
I also kind of expected you to be grilling Tywin today as I had the impression on D1 you townread me more, but that hasn't really happened.- Luca Blight
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That's not really the case; Vax could have equally targeted you or Eli based on his ISO.In post 204, TywinL wrote:
But Elli said it was most likely to me you considering night kill analysis.In post 202, Luca Blight wrote:I also kind of expected you to be grilling Tywin today as I had the impression on D1 you townread me more, but that hasn't really happened.- Luca Blight
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To be honest I'm leaning Tywin being town and Eli scum. It's almost entirely a gut feeling, I just feel like Eli would be doing a lot more to sort us if she was town whereas Tywin naturally seems a laid back player judging from the meta he provided.
As I said I'm gonna be really short of time from now on so I want to get this sorted asap.- Luca Blight
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Thinking about it, I also disagree with what Eli said about town being more likely to look for two scum on D1 - it was more important for scum to find the only other scum on D1 as they are their biggest threat in this game. As Town, finding either scum on D1 is satisfactory for us, and both me and Tywin were willing to vote both Vax and HS while Eli abstained from voting.
Scum would be more scared to lynch town on D1 in case they were killed on N1, and Eli wanted to be very sure of who was scum out of HS and Vax. She voted for neither despite heavily suspecting both.- Luca Blight
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Tywin said he had me and Eli as townreads so by POE HS and Vax must be scum - this is a very Townie mindset.
I really find it suspicious how Eli scumread both HS and Vax but didn't commit to voting either - as though she knew one must be Town.
I'm gonna be V/LA very soon so I'm gonna commit myself here and hope I'm right.
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Well looks like I chose right.
This is the last time I can post for a while as I'm travelling already, but think about what I said about Eli's position on Vax and Hs, Tywin - we both thought they were the two scum and we both voted them. Eli didn't vote either as she knew one was town and she was scared of the other scum surviving and killing her at night.- Luca Blight
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- Joined: December 21, 2013
My v/la doesn't end today, I'm on holiday all week and only have a small window of time to post.
Tywin, I was the one who took the initiative today while Eli was on the fence between us, and yet after I vote you she suddenly has all these reasons I must be scum - why didn't she state them earlier? Because she didn't want to 1v1 vs you or me - she wanted to be open to lyniching either of us. If I was scum, I would have probably have seen you as the easier target as you're the more inexperienced player - I wouldn't have deliberately put myself 1v1 against the more experienced player. On that note - don't be fooled by her join date: she alt slipped earlier and has been playing on here since 2009. I put myself 1v1 against her as I genuinely believed she was scum, and I was right. Look at how Eli played today - she didn't want to commit herself; she was hoping one of us would vote the other so she could easily hammer. Why would I 1v1 her as scum when she was clearly still suspecting you? It makes no sense.
Tywin, we both thought vax was scum and we both voted for him. Eli heavily scumread him but had more reason to be cautious as she knew there was only one other scum. Remember it was more important for scum to lynch scum on d1 because if she was targeted at night it would be game over for her regardless of her night actions.
I recognised you as town due to your mindset that me and Eli are town so by Poe Hs and vax must be scum. I also had the same mindset as you (I town read Eli on d1) but Eli had no such mindset, hence why she was so reluctant to vote either Hs or vax when she knew one must be town.
Look, vax looked scummy as hell on d1, why would I, as scum, lynch HS given that fact? Obviously it's because I genuinely believed Hs and vax were both scum.
Anyway, its up to you now Tywin. I hope you make the right choice. - Luca Blight
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