New Player Feedback Methodology

For large social games such as Survivor where the primary mechanic is social interaction.
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Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:29 am

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Hydra game.
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Post Post #5 (isolation #1) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:54 am

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Basically.

I'm not sure whether it would be better to do it as a true hydra game, or as a mentor/mentee sort of thing where you have say 16 players and 16 "mentors" that each just have their own PT where they chill with their newbie partner to give advice (not to mention shared access to the confessional space)
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Post Post #9 (isolation #2) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:21 pm

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In post 8, Shadoweh wrote:That's not a reason not to do it. The hard part of a PMless game is on the mods not the players. The complaint/surprise I hear a lot after is just how much time Survivor takes up compared to mafia in an Always On sense. It would be good if we had a reduced PM's game at least once a year I think.
That wouldn't fix the issue, necessarily. I spent probably more time thinking about things in Civivor than I did actually pming people.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:21 pm

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Like even when you aren't PMing you're still thinking shit through.
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Post Post #14 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:42 pm

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In post 12, Xalxe wrote:
In post 5, BROseidon wrote:as a mentor/mentee sort of thing where you have say 16 players and 16 "mentors"
Seen this done; I think it could be..interesting? As long as people were genuinely interested in both teaching & playing the game. Tribe of newbies, tribe of mentors, allow crosstalk across pairs and you have an interesting iteration on BvW.
I was thinking that the mentors wouldn't even play, although making it a BvW variant would also be pretty cool.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:13 pm

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Generally speaking a good heuristic is "if I have a pm sitting in my inbox and real life isn't in the way, I should respond to it now."
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Post Post #20 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:14 pm

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I ended Civivor with 767 PMs exchanged with Theo and that was a "low" number for fellow finalist that I was close allies with basically the whole game.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:59 am

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In post 24, Realeo wrote:
In post 19, BROseidon wrote:Generally speaking a good heuristic is "if I have a pm sitting in my inbox and real life isn't in the way, I should respond to it now."
Hmm. I think I'm quite responsive. I have my laptop on pretty much all the time?

Maybe time zone issue? I usually log off from midnight to 9 am (for sleeping reason. I HAVE LIFE) which translates to noon to 9 pm on "American time" which is usually the peak time?
Yeah time zones make it harder for sure. That said, I would say peak time is like 9pm-1am eastern, since that's after west coast people are home
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Post Post #36 (isolation #8) » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:00 am

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In post 30, Iprobablysuck wrote:
In post 20, BROseidon wrote:I ended Civivor with 767 PMs exchanged with Theo and that was a "low" number for fellow finalist that I was close allies with basically the whole game.
git gud me and Hannibal had well over 600 across 3 TC's and a merge round
Tbf I won so I'm not complaining :)
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Post Post #64 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:22 am

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In post 63, Cephrir wrote:son you sent more messages than god in civ

fewer and longer would have been fine
Still requires a certain amount of content/up time.

Learning "you should always be sending pms when you have time and also make them good" took me like 4 games
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Post Post #85 (isolation #10) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:47 am

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+1 to making people read confessionals. All new players should be encouraged to read my commentary on Pobol y Cwm.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #11) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:47 am

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(It's actually a good idea though)
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Post Post #106 (isolation #12) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:17 am

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I think people need to get more creative with "how to hide things in forums."
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Post Post #107 (isolation #13) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:18 am

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Like doing it in such a way where it's still "hidden" but not in a way that a vet will find first every time.

I generally liked the MLS cup idol in MLS, although I could have made parts of it less arcane
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Post Post #108 (isolation #14) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:18 am

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(Not the Uruguay clue, though, which was a weird stumbling block for a ton of people)
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