Mini Normal 1951 [Game Over]

[WhyMafia]

And if I’m wrong and you aren’t actually scum. This is exactly the reason why I want to not do anything without flips.

Day 1 based on what I personally perceive as scummy is going to result in a death tunnel. I’m death tunneling now and I’m not even voting. Just imagine how more annoying I’d be if I actually voted you and tried really hard to get you lynched.

That’s why I’m trying to sit back day one so if you are town piss off and play better cause if we are alive day 2 you are going to hate it. Everyone will

How will a flip change your mind? You firmly believe me to be scum. Tell me, how will a flip get you to change your mind? You're trying to justify a mis-lynch before it even happens

[WhyMafia]

And I think his scum buddies would've warned him by now lol

[WhyMafia]

LOL can't trust the 2nd scummiest guy in the game sorry.

I went from a town read to scum? Can you quote me where you stated why you changed your mind?

[WhyMafia]

all this shows is his fear of getting lynched.

Who isn't afraid of getting lynched?

[WhyMafia]

And oooh your fake gladiator claim didn’t scare me. People need to grow up and stop stupid reaction tests that don’t work.

This doesn't even make sense. It wasn't a reaction test if I clearly say it's fake. I desired people to vote between me and you. Why would it scare you even if it was real?

[WhyMafia]

scum don't have daytalk dude

o

[WhyMafia]

LOL can't trust the 2nd scummiest guy in the game sorry.

I went from a town read to scum? Can you quote me where you stated why you changed your mind?

your 1v1 with derpy. the fact remains that you slightly psuhed me then yelled at everything eelse and jumped off. WE'RE ON PAGE 55ish.... i hate day ones....

Am I not entitled to look for more than one person? I still think you're a scumfuck, but it's more productive to push more people. Then when we're nearish to deadline/consolidating, I can vote where I believe is most likely to flip someone as scum

[WhyMafia]

scum don't have daytalk dude

o

yeah ya had a good run

?

[WhyMafia]

Scum is trying to figure out what their next move is

Nice shade

[WhyMafia]

Reads now please tyvm

@Assembly
If you don't post reads next post you're getting voted by me as well

[WhyMafia]

And I think his scum buddies would've warned him by now lol

this implies daytalk

I didn't read the rules? Last time Mulch hosted it was day talk
so I assumed it would still be so

What's your point?

[WhyMafia]

Why the fuck would you ever EVER waste an "invest" on this type of claim. That is awful awful strategy

He’s not thinking like a townie.

I keep telling you guys dude has to be scum. Literally itching he’s done has been helpful

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How is this not thinking like a townie? It gets rid of mis-lynch bait imo, which is why I believed that to be a better course of action. You're just throwing everything you got rofl

[WhyMafia]

What do you think I'm implying

That I'm scum? I don't see the causation though

[WhyMafia]

you gave away information that I, town mc townerson Alisae, do not know

I assumed there was day talk ....
and that makes me scum

[WhyMafia]

you gave away information that I, town mc townerson Alisae, do not know

wait but you said you know there's no day talk
is that a rule or no?

[WhyMafia]

lmfao that's ridiculous alisae
every scum game i've been in except 1 had day talk
Is it not standard?

[WhyMafia]

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[WhyMafia]

aka I was trolling you and you took it seriously imo

I mean I didn't read the rules ... so I assumed you were telling the truth .. which made me confused bc then why would I scum slip saying there's day chat if in the rules it said they don't

[WhyMafia]

anyone can say that to backtrack alisae. I was completely confused when you said that scum don't have day talk, but used that to point me as scum. I don't get how that's a proper way to gauge for scum lol

[WhyMafia]

fyi this was something Titus did here I wanted to try something and see if it worked

ok that's fair then

[WhyMafia]

I'm just completely lost. I need sleep.

[WhyMafia]

Like I'm concerned you took me so seriously and actually got flustered and confused
Which happens to scum getting trolled if they don't know they're getting trolled.

Why can't it be town that's confused?

[WhyMafia]

but why would I any reason to disbelieve you?

[WhyMafia]

If I was scum, wouldn't I know you were trolling?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: whymafia
My slot is doomed no matter what. I don't want to get a mis-lynch today, then waste day 2 hyper focusing on me. I can't argue with people who've tunneled me all game, or people like tacos. I wanted to replace out the minute derpy started death tunneling me, but it wouldn't stop their tunnel lol. The fact that people are voting me without even asking me to engage with them is frankly apathetic. I hope you guys re-evaluate all your reads after my flip.
Town is Dunker, Acid, Sub, Toranga
Null is Derpy, UC, Tacos, Boon
Scum is Alisae, TChill, Klazam, Assemble
Klazam could change depending on his catchup
I didn't want to out alisae as a scum read because I can't handle attacks from too many people. Don't treat him as obv Town, please keep an eye on him
Derpy and Tacos could be scum, but I frankly don't know. I guess they could be considered nullscum while the others are nulltown.
Once I flip you guys will know all my posts were genuine. Follow these reads. If you have any questions for me go ahead

[WhyMafia]

1) Don't self vote
2) There's a lot of interactions with the entirety of your Null group with a lot of people taking hard stances on those people. I'd really like you to dig deep and try to form reads on these people, as I think if I were take make a reads list, if there were any people in the null group, it wouldn't be them

1) I don't want to be a burden on Town if nobody is going to even bother asking me to explain something instead of mindlessly voting me. The longer I am alive, the more I will be deathtunneled
2) I'd have to use PoE or flips to judge the nulls. They are null because of playstyle issues

[WhyMafia]

Why is toranaga town and alisae scum?

Regarding toranga - tone
Regarding alisae - I guess it's gut, but a few things pinged me. I'll try articulating when I get on a computer

[WhyMafia]

I wanted to replace out the minute derpy started death tunneling me, but it wouldn't stop their tunnel lol.

thank you for not replacing out btw. far too many people replace out like that and it fucks with the game.

Yeah. I feel like replacing out is inherently unfair

[WhyMafia]

A) last few selfvotes i've seen was from either scum or mulch, following latest sitemeta, this is now a very viable lynchslot
B) explain alisae read please. im up to page 25 or so, and im seeing differently

A) Good
B) will asap

[WhyMafia]

This stuff actually makes me lean town on Why, i know i shouldnt be giving cred to the selfvote, but... i am. unvote yourself please.

No. I don't hate any of you enough to subject you guys to Robb deathtunneling me

[WhyMafia]

I think i have scum reads on klazam

#1 He has a town read on someone who voted for themselves. I could have sworn that only mafia self vote

#2 he just set up more miss lynches. so when derpy flips town, he has the next few planned

#3 he is trying super ar to defend whymafia. with little to no reason to do so
lets see if he adds more reasons


here klazam
lets lynch why maf today

IF they flip town, then we will go with your plan.
IF they flip scum, then we might need to reconsider who is the other 2

That's not true. Mulch self-hammers as town quite frequently

[WhyMafia]

Metas are so stupid.

All these games klazam and you still don't know how to read me. Imma give you a hard pass on the responsibility of me proving to you I'm town because I'm not sure you're town at all.

Insert quote about tacos that you've repeatedly stated as well
Gtfo TChill with your blatant twisting of positions to suit you

[WhyMafia]

Site meta, town meta, scum meta.... (Insert player name here) does this so it's a possibility... That's all a bunch of garbage. How about we actually read players on how they're playing the game that we are playing rn.

Then why are you so opposed to a Tacos lynch? He has by far been scummy. I didn't not even give meta. I just provided a counter example lmao

[WhyMafia]

Yeah and I REFUSED TO LYNCH THE GUY FOR 50 PAGES FOR THE BETTERMENT OF TOWN.

I'm confused. But aren't you using meta to justify not lynching Tacos? So why is it bad when others post meta?

[WhyMafia]

Problem with forum mafia. People don’t stick around to have conversations

Notice how I shut down any talk of a tacos Lynch and whymafia just bailed.

That doesn't even make sense. I have an important standardized test coming up (PSAT) and I need to study that on top of Normal hw lol
Taking a shot at my activity, which is perfectly healthy is low .....


Anyways, your statement doesn't even make sense. You yourself said meta is garbage. Yet you're using that same quality to hard defend Tacos ..?

[WhyMafia]

Klazam why do you like my entry?

feels honest, then for the rest of game, your posts dont feel like its pushing any agenda of any kind plus whatever you were saying, i was seeing it also. Thats why im questioning about why people're scumreading you. either im miscalculating badly and you pocketed me hard, or we're on the same wavelength.

Everyone's town reads Alisae, which is why I was so hesitant to publicize this earlier, as I can't handle too many barrages. I'll probs get on a computer in an hour and a half to post my alisae thoughts. I've got nothin to lose at this point. Lynching me will reset reads, which is what town badly needs imo. It'll also make my scum reads look more transparent ... so woo

[WhyMafia]

Site meta, town meta, scum meta.... (Insert player name here) does this so it's a possibility... That's all a bunch of garbage. How about we actually read players on how they're playing the game that we are playing rn.

Like this is forced. I wasn't referring to any meta. I was just saying that it was possible for something to come from town. That's not meta, that's just stating a fact

[WhyMafia]

We're not lynching acid.

[WhyMafia]

You're callling anyone who expresses a town read on me scum basically rofl

[WhyMafia]

You're callling anyone who expresses a town read on me scum basically rofl

I'll stop if you flip town.

Holy fuck so you're admitting you're basically going to be rigid in your reads until you're done death tunneling me?

[WhyMafia]

This is reminding me of 12 angry men lol

[WhyMafia]

Why did whymafia drop the taco push when I accused him of not actually voting the guy?why didn't whymafia just vote taco then? Because once again he's claiming he's pushing something when he's really not.

Because I don't believe he's scum. However your shifting of stances to be opportunistic is the scummy aspect. How am I pushing tacos when I'm pressuring you silly goose

[WhyMafia]

Tchill: I hate this Assemble lynch
Suddenly
Tchill: Oh fuck it
votes Assemble

Then Suddenly
Tchill: I Hate this Assemble lynch again

Make
up
your
fucking
mind

and stop contradicting your motives.

This is his whole ISO
wanna go vote him?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: tchill

[WhyMafia]

nice satire ...... and way to take things out of context lol

[WhyMafia]

Sounds like scum who is frustrated that his tunnel fell apart

[WhyMafia]

Why did whymafia drop the taco push when I accused him of not actually voting the guy?why didn't whymafia just vote taco then? Because once again he's claiming he's pushing something when he's really not.

Because I don't believe he's scum. However your shifting of stances to be opportunistic is the scummy aspect. How am I pushing tacos when I'm pressuring you silly goose

VOTE: tchill

"shifting of stances to be opportunistic"

When did I ever express you as something other than a town read? Pursuing other people isn't opportunism, it's pragmatism lol

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: tchill

i'm pretty sad. this is hopeless. ppl are deadset on my lynch so theres no point.

Because I don't want to waste Day 2 being death tunneled and I thought more people scum read me ... in addition, most people's reads are bad this game imo, so I wanted people to go in with a fresh mind. I didn't "give up"

mulch self votes as town did yall know that?

This was in response to UC who said that town never ever self vote

i'm conftown now.

I never said anything to that manner. My wagon died down, so I might as well get scum lynched


Blatant mis-rep by TChill

[WhyMafia]

another day 1 that lasts so long scum wiggles their way out.

you self voted as the 3rd vote? thats called not taking a risk lol

So how am I wiggling out? And when did I say I took a risk?

[WhyMafia]

that doesn't put anything in context btw. You gave up after a few ppl read you as scum. pointed out that mulch self votes as town so it is "possible" that town does that. WIFOM at it's finest.

For the last time, I never gave up. There's a difference between self-voting out of spite, and self-voting to benefit town. Yes it's WIFOM, but I didn't choose to include that. I responded to something that was factually incorrect. Town can self-vote

[WhyMafia]

anyone but whymaf please
i mean ill lynch him if its close to eod but ugh

What makes whymafia the towniest player in this game?

Yo dunker. I know you speak English.

[WhyMafia]

I'm sorry Klazam
Please claim :/
VOTE: klazam

[WhyMafia]

Bc id rather have voted derpy/TChill

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Tchill
Dunker's explanation for his hammer gave me hard scum pings, but I WANT TCHILL DEAD GODAMMIT

[WhyMafia]

LOL "knowing Dunker would hammer"
My apology for my vote was because I didn't think he was town, but on the off-chance he was scum, I could apply L-1 pressure.

[WhyMafia]

LOL "knowing Dunker would hammer"
My apology for my vote was because I didn't think he was

town

, but on the off-chance he was scum, I could apply L-1 pressure.

You mean scum?

yeah

[WhyMafia]

Maybe because I never faked interest and you're so confirmation biased that you don't want to think about that possibility

[WhyMafia]

@Boon I agree with you in alisae
I do like your explanation on your read in Derpy, I can see what you mean. I can vote tchill/alisae
Need to look more closely on Sub

[WhyMafia]

Im town reading Toranga/Michael slot
Where is the post that explains the scum read on that slot?

[WhyMafia]

Regarding assemble, I'd much rather have him be replaced. Isn't he due for a prod

[WhyMafia]

we gotta stop rewarding stupid play on this site just because we are used to bad town. too easy for scum to take advantage of that.

The irony is that you're completely ignoring Tacos as a result, even though he classifies here

[WhyMafia]

tacos/boon/derpy
please please please

Completely opposite reads
I don't think any of these people are scum. Alisae/TChill/you

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Alisae
So much talk about pressuring this slot and I see no action

[WhyMafia]

@Alisae I know you already explained your shift on me, but I can't find it. Can you quote/re-explain why you thought Tchill and I was TvS but it can go either way, but now it's more Tchill scum than me being scum?

[WhyMafia]

I didn't like Alisae's push on me, as well as his push on Assemble and Sub. I feel like most of his pushes are out of things that Alisae does to make them look like scum

[WhyMafia]

Lmao

[WhyMafia]

Dunker/Tchill/Alisae

[WhyMafia]

But why didn't you let him claim?

[WhyMafia]

Bah. Fair enough, but I don't like it. I prefer alisae/TChill over you anyway

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: TCHILL
IM FUCKING VOTE PARKING THIS

[WhyMafia]

I think Derpy's just bad town TBH. Like he was misguided. TChill has been manipulative and opportunistic

[WhyMafia]

I went over most of the thread yesterday, my strongest town read at this point would be tacos, I read over it and I liked his tone every time he posted, I felt like the posts he made aren't the way scum play the game. All his posts don't seem like he is trying to fake anything, he is pressuring scum reads town reading people and posts seem like he's also having fun.

How do you understand his reads? To me, it seems like he switched around a heck of a lot of times and changed stances over and over. However, I do agree his tone has been good

[WhyMafia]

Oh and welcome to all the new people! Only half the original players remain xD

[WhyMafia]

Can you explain what gave you those gut feelings with a little more in specific? Quotes aren't needed, just a general opinion of what made them scum/town

[WhyMafia]

I think it's town thought process when he notices something scummy and he questions it very loud, like changing font to large when he was pushing Boon to make sure people will read it, I don't think scum are gonna draw that attention to themselves. And I agree with his reads because the two people he actually wrote in font 5 about were Boon and derpy, and they're both still alive.

fair enough

[WhyMafia]

Below submit see the All Users box? Click it and select the person you wanna ISO. If you want to ISO multiple people simultaneously click the +

[WhyMafia]

As scum? Dunker was IC and was NK'ed

[WhyMafia]

Explain the other 3

[WhyMafia]

i will write tchill case this weekend ..

[WhyMafia]

Ffs porken

[WhyMafia]

I think porkers is scum here. Him asking what a neo is seems faked and his whole shenanigans with VT/Not VT
like I don't see how you forget when you literally just replaced into a slot
I would like Porkens to full claim
I'm VT

[WhyMafia]

I demand TChill claim next

[WhyMafia]

Tchill has no reason not to claim and/or is just buying time

[WhyMafia]

Who is the cop?

[WhyMafia]

Oh vanilla cop is the same as neopolitian nvm

[WhyMafia]

yes

[WhyMafia]

TBH Porken's play so far has not been giving me good vibes. Having said that, people keep saying either TChill or myself is scum. For gods sake, don't leave us here till LYLO. Lynch one of us today. Use that information tomorrow. As a start, who believes Tchill is town

[WhyMafia]

Day Organizer

I can confirm I'm in a neighborhood with Boon

[WhyMafia]

And that Boon/the organizer have a chat together

[WhyMafia]

IMO there's 1 scum between Porkens/the organizer, 1 scum in Tchill, and one scum in someone who I need to think about still

[WhyMafia]

Regarding the vigilante:
If the vigilante is 1 shot, IMO they should claim it
If the vigilante is multi-shot, I think each of us should claim who we would kill if we were the vigilante. That way, when the 2nd kill flips, it'll be easier to narrow down who is telling the truth if someone CC's the vig. You can change who you'd vig at any point in the day.
Is this sound? Or are there flaws to this

[WhyMafia]

TBH Porken's play so far has not been giving me good vibes. Having said that, people keep saying either TChill or myself is scum. For gods sake, don't leave us here till LYLO. Lynch one of us today. Use that information tomorrow. As a start, who believes Tchill is town

this is scum.

You might as well be renamed Derpy Hooves

[WhyMafia]

TBH Porken's play so far has not been giving me good vibes. Having said that, people keep saying either TChill or myself is scum. For gods sake, don't leave us here till LYLO. Lynch one of us today. Use that information tomorrow. As a start, who believes Tchill is town

this is scum.

You might as well be renamed Derpy Hooves

I'm done talking to you.

I mean ... you haven't really interacted with me prior to that

[WhyMafia]

I'm voting Tchill because he didn't claim. MASSCLAIM doesn't mean two people go and then stop. Boon, you even said he was next. Why do you not care anymore?

I forgot what my role was. I fucked up. Sorry.

I didn't use my action night 2 because I didn't think my slot would be targeted.

Your vote is...shit!

I know everyone’s role. We don’t need to massclaim. It helps scum st this point.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: porkens

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE: didnt realize it was L-1

[WhyMafia]

Oops

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE: all

[WhyMafia]

Fuck your misrep. I put klazam at L-1 for 2 reasons. One m, to apply pressure. Two, because we were running low on time. I voted Alisae because he was counter claimed. I also thought he was scum. I was wrong about 1 scum read. Big deal. I defended UC, but nice to know that you choose not to mention that to a list that probabalt didn't even read my interactions with him. If I remember correctly, you didn't even post after Alisae fake claimed.

VOTE: tchill

[WhyMafia]

Blatant mis rep
I'm confirming that boon and Serg have a chat together

[WhyMafia]

I'm sorry. You all have every right to be pissed. I got tunnel vision after being attacked by both TChill and Derpy, and on top of that, completely forgot I was a PR. I'll resolve to be more understanding and open in the future. Sorry for derailing the thread so early LUV. Alisae (or anyone for that matter), advice would be really appreciated. I had garbage reads and feel really guilty over that :/

[WhyMafia]

It didn't really help town that their watcher forget he was a watcher. no offense whymafia

Or he played super scummy or a townie decided to gamethrow.

Fuck off. I admit my fault, but the fact that you decided to fucking tunnel the whole game didn't help matters. Nobody besides you and TChill even though I was scummy. I just ... happened to forget. It was a horrible mistake and I acknowledge that

[WhyMafia]

advice would be really appreciated.

The best way to get good at mafia is to play with other players who are good at mafia or at least care a lot about the game. I'd look for games where the standard of play is higher (MafiaUniverse comes to mind, although I haven't actually played that many games there.)

See I've tried that, but then I'm outclassed and don't understand what is going on in the game. Like there was recently a mini theme game centered around a board game U-Pick. I literally just sheeped and used my night action

[WhyMafia]

advice would be really appreciated.

The best way to get good at mafia is to play with other players who are good at mafia or at least care a lot about the game. I'd look for games where the standard of play is higher (MafiaUniverse comes to mind, although I haven't actually played that many games there.)

this(although mu is time intensive)

also whymafia i have a couple of specific points for you in particular but i need time to type em out and that isn't happening tonight (i have the time just not spending it doing that :>)

Alright, thanks! I'll be eagerly awaiting ^_^

[WhyMafia]

.....
THE MILLER THING WAS NEVER SCUMMY SJFIAJCIANCJA
I NEVER FAKED IGNORANCE IT WAS REAL DISGOSJCS
ok I'll give you the last point :-:

[WhyMafia]

Stop fake claiming Miller or doing any gambits at all.

Stop faking ignorance.

Don’t forget your role

Baby steps

^this is sound advice

I mean at some point you guys need to stop faking shit and paying attention to real stuff like your roles.

I'm sure derpy can play d1 and not tunnel people that fake claim stuff for -reactions- but these reaction tests are normally bad and clutter the thread with misinformation and useless posts, which doesn't help town at all.

:tear:
I don't even see what was wrong with the miller. It was a simple RVS thing that in my mind should've lasted 5 pages tops. I didn't fake anything apart from that

[WhyMafia]

gg was fun
thx for hosting mulch

[WhyMafia]

- Find a play style that works for you and stick with it.

- Reread games you've played in months after the fact. There is so much you can learn about mistakes you made, stuff you missed, how people reacted now that you know the entire setup.

I think if you do those two things, you will find your game improving by leaps and bounds

Oh that's a good point. I'll do that thanks

[WhyMafia]

other scummy things.

Besides "faking ignorance" what were the other pings for you? That stood out to me the most.

[WhyMafia]

he didn't realize he was a watcher

just like i didn't realize i was a vig

like I finished this mini theme game where I was a role similar to watcher. When I did my first night action there I was like I thought I was watcher ... but then I was like eh must've gotten follower and watcher mixed up. Little did I know that my feeling that I was a watcher was actually true .. just not for that game

[WhyMafia]

Ywall read your role pms right?

i confirmed i was watcher ;-;

[WhyMafia]

If only I'd watched UC that night ....... this game just might have ended differently. Alas, it was not to be

[WhyMafia]

but yeah Why don't forget your role next time tyvm from my pov you were obviously town so...

IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN I SWEAR

[WhyMafia]

From now on i shall double check my role every time i enter a night phase! Hopefully this lasts longer than my New Years Resolutions ... just kidding

[WhyMafia]

can someone remind me again how you forget your role?

I once fantasized in a game about how awesome of a game I'd have been playing if I was a SK. Then I thought I was SK after a day or two of being inactive. I realized it around Day 4.

It doesn't happen more than once. Believe that.

was that the large normal

[WhyMafia]

can someone remind me again how you forget your role?

I once fantasized in a game about how awesome of a game I'd have been playing if I was a SK. Then I thought I was SK after a day or two of being inactive. I realized it around Day 4.

It doesn't happen more than once. Believe that.

was that the large normal

yeah.

ahhhh nostalgia to that neighborhood chat

[WhyMafia]

So when why was giving porker shit for forgetting his role. Did why still not know he was a watcher?

yup
the irony

[WhyMafia]

Like at the end of day 1, read your role pm especially if it’s been a long and drawn out day.

yeah, i'll definitely do that from now on

[WhyMafia]

For starters scum reading tchill for something but giving boon a free pass. Your entire scum read on tchill didn’t really make much sense to me.

How about the fact that you wanted tchill lynched but did very little to convince people to follow you. I even told you to do that and you somehow decided to misrep me and then we argued for multiple pages.

Part of this game is finding and convincing others to lynch scum but you did very little convincing.

(I mean I made a whole list during the game of things you did. Idk why I’m basically retyping them)

You were town, your forgetting your role and alisae getting himself lynched pretty much ruined town’s chances.

I mean I didn't think Boon's play warranted a scum read at the time. He's usually an enigma to me. Regarding the convincing, I did try (or at least thought I did).

[WhyMafia]

a salty town

lol

[WhyMafia]

You probably explained it at some point. But can you tell me what made him obvious aliase?