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Post Post #986 (isolation #200) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:42 pm

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I kinda do not understand anybody's read. Everybody read is something like X is scum because he townread or scumread Y.

Like, pretty much
anybody
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I never get analysis like "well it is scummy, but the reason at the end of the day it is scum is..."

The linearity of the logic is annoying.
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Post Post #988 (isolation #201) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:44 pm

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I kinda like Mulch's read and Luca's read, but the problem with Mulch' read is that the progression of confidence is unnatural. Mulch can be hyper-aggressive, but not sure if it warrants such hyper-aggressiveness.
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Post Post #989 (isolation #202) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:47 pm

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I don't know why people care about vig pool. For all its worth, I could be a vig and don't give a fuck about it.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #203) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:51 pm

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I don't understand why Una has to scumread Alchemist's question. It's pretty much just a interrogative question. You can't accuse someone not giving a honest evaluation if you don't shut up and allow him to respond to your clarification.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #204) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:52 pm

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I like 974.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #205) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:54 pm

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If you guys allow me, I am going to shut up again. Me not talking in D2 seems to be a wise choice.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #206) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:01 pm

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I have a made a lot of stand on a lot of shit.

I am the first guy who made a stand on why you are unlikely to be non-traitor.
I am the first guy who made a stand why Assembrelowts is scum.
I am the first guy who made a stand on IceGuy telling why he is unlikely to be non-traitor.

Don't you tell me how to make a stand, especially since you're in D1 decided not to make a stand.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #207) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:07 pm

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Talking to 971. I understand your frustration but I do not understand the read progression.
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Post Post #998 (isolation #208) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:50 pm

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There is a moment in mafia that when you feel you're dominating the game, you must shut up and allow others to speak up...

...which is why I am excited for ironstove.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #209) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:55 pm

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The problem of this game is that the justification of "Your argument is too generic or copying" is being used too often. (Remember nIceGuy?) which hint to a dynamic problem in this game.

Just because someone is too generic or copying, does not mean scum flailing. It can mean great towns think alike, but one bitch consistently talk about it earlier.

So I shut up. So we can actually know if it is the former or the latter.

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Post Post #1002 (isolation #210) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:27 am

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How is this is not my position on his lynch?
In post 994, Realeo wrote:I am the first guy who made a stand on why you are unlikely to be non-traitor.
I'm going to return back to my verbose mode.
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #211) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:43 am

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I don't understand how Assembrelowts have 4 game commitments.
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #212) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:50 am

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Ho. Ho. I like Assembrelowts just changed his sig.
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #213) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:55 am

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In post 520, Realeo wrote:As a protest for being scumread for "being verbose", I'm using a picture because..it's zero word?

Image

The more left you are, the townier I read you.
The wider the bar, the more uncertain I am.

Not to be read in an absolute scale (conf town to conf scum) but as a relative scale (the townies of all to the scummies of all)
Move Alchemist to the left and make the wide of the bar smaller.
Grapes stays there but increase the wide a bit.
Move Mulch to the left but make the wide of the bar
way
even bigger.
Move Luca to the right.
Make ChipButty wide even bigger.
Move Unah to the right but increase the wide.
Ironstove is somewhere between ChipButty and Unah.
Make Assembrelowts ???
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #214) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:34 am

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I know, but isn't out priority is to hit the other two mafia because those are where the mafia power role?
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #215) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:38 am

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In post 1006, Chip Butty wrote:So, your CURRENT position is still that UnaH Is scum but not the traitor?
I did not say that.
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #216) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:41 am

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I am going to avoid this semantic battle.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #217) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:06 am

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The awful ms paint picture is meant to demonstrate how scummy I scumread someone but how uncertain I am. That was done in such way because in D1, I felt ChipButty was scummier but I was more certain that IceGuy is scum ("How do you answer who is your strongest scumread question in such trade off?") so when CB asked for my read list D1, I just do it that way to avoid semantic debate (You do want use to avoid that right?)

And I find it effective because CB didn't ask for follow up question.

At this point, I am happy with ironstove, Assembrelowts (maybe?), UNAH (as I foreshadowed, I do not like how he reacted to Alchemist so I move him to the right [ie.scummier], but his 971 seems town so I widen the bar [ie.uncertainty]), and CB.

Who is my strongest scum read? I'm not even sure how to communicate it correctly since the way you intepret who is my strongest scumread may be different on your priority, so let the picture speaks for itself.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #218) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:09 am

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For the record, Assembre was the clear scummiest until the signature change. That signature change throws me off.
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #219) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:14 am

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Take example of the current situation. If you take the center point, UNAH would be the scummiest, but if you take the right edge, you would take ironstove as the scummiest. However, my uncertainty at ironstove is so big that I he can be the towniest of {UNAH,CB,is} and the scummiest of {UNAH,CB,is} at the same time. What a dilemma!
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #220) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:37 pm

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I have addressed it in page 41. Please help yourself.
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #221) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:09 pm

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In post 1040, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1008, Realeo wrote:
In post 1006, Chip Butty wrote:So, your CURRENT position is still that UnaH Is scum but not the traitor?
I did not say that.
In post 1039, Realeo wrote:I have addressed it in page 41. Please help yourself.
No you didn't. Why are you squirming?
Yes I did.

You are self proclaimed genius. Go look for it again.
In post 1041, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1009, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1007, Realeo wrote:I know, but isn't out priority is to hit the other two mafia because those are where the mafia power role?
Are...are you actually saying 'yeah UnaH is scum but let's not lynch him because the non-traitors have higher priority'?

I mean, first, it's either 7-3 or 7-2 (+1). We don't have much wriggle room.

Second, why so sure there was no recruitment?

Third, wow.
No response to this, either.
I did not imply that I am sure there is no recruitment.
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #222) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:39 pm

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Hey LucaBlight. We don't really talk to each other but we mysteriously townlean each other. That needs to be fixed or people would figure it out when one of us flipped!

@LucaBlight
Truth to be told, I don't really understand your reasoning of null-scum Alchemist and town-lean Commknight. Like, you scumread Alchemist for not really scumhunting except in the beginning but then he made a weird stand at the end. Isn't it the case with CoammKnight as well?
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #223) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:27 pm

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I just noticed that my lynch pool resembles CommKnight's lynch pool.

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So Una didn't trigger you in his recent giant green text?
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #224) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:05 pm

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In post 1077, Chip Butty wrote:Do people feel that Realeo has adequately clarified his current position on a UnaH lynch?
I endorse this question.
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #225) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:06 am

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CommKnight is a little bit too far for me to compromise.

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Post Post #1099 (isolation #226) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:25 am

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Like CommKnight is so far to the center, I would lynch Unah in a heart beat.
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #227) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:25 am

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In post 1099, Realeo wrote:Like CommKnight is so far to the center, I would lynch Unah in a heart beat.
I may as well move to Unah

VOTE: Unah
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #228) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:53 pm

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VOTE: Assembrelowts
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #229) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:38 pm

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What just happened?
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #230) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:08 pm

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I am satisfied with my play here.

But yeah, I acknowledge there is a correlation between my reading accuracy and the amount of content created by other players. I'm still working with how to make reads with minimal content, so if anybody would like to share tips--please :)
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