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Post Post #20 (isolation #0) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:27 am

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In post 17, PJ. wrote:Maybe because I pretty much only play solo queue, but isn't the lack of a ban as much as of a punishment for TSM and GGU?
Um, not remotely? Losing a ban can be almost decisive in some matchups.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:59 pm

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In post 21, hitogoroshi wrote:Did they actually say who was the one who was talking during the pause? I was in a clan with Mash for a couple of years and it seems like the kind of thing he'd do.
Context for anyone who didn't see it: Bloodwater facechecked a couple Vulcun players in the top tribush at lvl1, and the game was paused just as he entered the brush.

Riot has come out and said that the pause was legitimate, because Mash was having computer issues. He disconnected from the game and fixed the issue. On the subject of the rule breaking, it has come out that someone asked BloodWater if he was going to be okay, and he said he should be able to get out with Flash/Exhaust.
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Post Post #7205 (isolation #2) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:23 pm

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Can someone give me (or point me to) a tl;dr of the major S7 changes? Haven't played since Worlds ended, and couldn't follow well when I tried to watch LCK this morning.
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Post Post #7213 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:28 am

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Thanks for that, Lycanfire. Super helpful.
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Post Post #7217 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:22 am

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If anyone is thinking of it, I highly recommend it. I went in Toronto last year to the Summer Finals and had an absolute blast.
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Post Post #7348 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:11 am

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In post 7346, Randomnamechange wrote:I rly hope they keep eu like it is tbh. there are a lot of local scenes over here that would be rly damaged by changing to the NA format.
I don't think he meant changing EU to franchising, but that Fnatic and G2 both applied to join the NA Franchised League.
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Post Post #7350 (isolation #6) » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:58 am

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Splyce in particular is based in the US if I recall, and have big investors. I wouldn't be shocked if they bumped P1/FQ.
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Post Post #7359 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:05 am

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DIG probably got screwed out of a Worlds spot (and of the #2 seed especially) by the way the seeding and results happened yesterday. Now IMT gets the second spot at Worlds for NA, and DIG/C9 should be the gauntlet final.
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Post Post #7362 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:31 pm

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In post 7361, zoraster wrote:
In post 7359, SensFan wrote:DIG probably got screwed out of a Worlds spot (and of the #2 seed especially) by the way the seeding and results happened yesterday. Now IMT gets the second spot at Worlds for NA, and DIG/C9 should be the gauntlet final.

Well, I wouldn't count CLG out against IMT next match. They didn't look great, but it's not foretold. If CLG wins, IMT doesn't get in via points. And if DIG wins the playoffs IMT doesn't get the #2 spot either.
Can you see a scenario other than TSM/IMT finals at this point?

CLG look awful with Omar in the jungle, and while DIG are probably the second-best team in NA, I can't see them possibly beating this TSM roster coming off a bye and with a chip on their shoulder from the regular season.
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Post Post #7363 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:33 pm

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In post 7360, Randomnamechange wrote:i cant be bothered to follow it atm
what are the chances that UoL go to worlds?
They will be in the gauntlet, probably seeded second.
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Post Post #7365 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:57 pm

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In post 7364, zoraster wrote:
In post 7362, SensFan wrote:
In post 7361, zoraster wrote:
In post 7359, SensFan wrote:DIG probably got screwed out of a Worlds spot (and of the #2 seed especially) by the way the seeding and results happened yesterday. Now IMT gets the second spot at Worlds for NA, and DIG/C9 should be the gauntlet final.

Well, I wouldn't count CLG out against IMT next match. They didn't look great, but it's not foretold. If CLG wins, IMT doesn't get in via points. And if DIG wins the playoffs IMT doesn't get the #2 spot either.
Can you see a scenario other than TSM/IMT finals at this point?

CLG look awful with Omar in the jungle, and while DIG are probably the second-best team in NA, I can't see them possibly beating this TSM roster coming off a bye and with a chip on their shoulder from the regular season.

If I were offered even odds, that's certainly the final I'd bet on, but upsets happen with regularity. I don't put any stock in "chips" on shoulders in a video game. And I'm not sure I see byes as that valuable for the sake of winning. It's not like football where physically resting is immensely helpful. The bye is super valuable in that you don't have a chance to lose, obviously. I'd put CLG at 35% and DIG at 30%.
I think in particular that the bye is helpful for TSM in this case as their two losses to DIG came (1) at the very beginning of the split when they were re-learning how to play with DLift and (2) right after a patch dropped that they very much failed to learn in time.

Now not only have they had an extra week to scrim and theorycraft on the Playoff patch, but they've also gotten to see not only what four top6 NALCS teams prioritize and value champs on this patch, but specifically what DIG do.
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Post Post #7371 (isolation #11) » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:01 pm

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In post 7369, Cabd wrote:Well that was an interesting series with major implications for Europe.
Yup. Especially if G2 doesn't win the split.
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Post Post #7372 (isolation #12) » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:03 pm

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Meanwhile, we're in for a super anti-climactic finals weekend if TSM win tomorrow, since literally all that would be left to play for is Gauntlet seeding between CLG and Dig.
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Post Post #7374 (isolation #13) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:22 am

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Splyce/H2K is first, with winner against UOL, then Fnatic.
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Post Post #7380 (isolation #14) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:31 pm

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As I expected, both NA matches will have virtually nothing on the line next week. TSM and IMT are playing for pride alone, while CLG and DIG are playing a meaningless series about one week before they probably play a match with extreme Worlds implications.
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Post Post #7386 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:20 pm

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In post 7383, zoraster wrote:
In post 7380, SensFan wrote:As I expected, both NA matches will have virtually nothing on the line next week. TSM and IMT are playing for pride alone, while CLG and DIG are playing a meaningless series about one week before they probably play a match with extreme Worlds implications.
It means more than the eu one. But then again it just means having to play fly quest if you lose.
I wonder if the teams are scared enough of Flyquest to feel like they need to show anything in the 3rd-place match, or if we just see bog standard comps.

The Finals should hopefully have some spice if only because they're unlikely to play any future meaningful matches on a patch similar enough to the playoff patch, assuming Riot does their normal shake-up for Worlds.
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Post Post #7390 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:02 pm

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I do find it funny that the whole world is like "Woah that was super sweet" and Afreeca are probably really pissed they had to burn Lulu Jungle on a series they were up 2-0, with SSG and KT looming.
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Post Post #7395 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:41 pm

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Of humourous note regarding the EU 1-seed is that while the 1-seed is still almost certainly better than the 2-seed, SKT is once again poised to ruin the day of a 1-seed from EU/CN/LMS.
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Post Post #7403 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:07 am

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If it was Gordon Hayward (after game 2), then he's an NBA player who also plays league on the side. His game knowledge is probably worse than most in this thread.
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Post Post #7405 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:30 am

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He's Silver, and to my understanding was never above Plat. Not that that has anything to do with game knowledge.
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Post Post #7407 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:51 am

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Sooo...you agree that his game knowledge isn't fantastic and isn't the reason why he was on the desk?
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Post Post #7418 (isolation #21) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:03 am

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To Panzer's point, while a lot of people think Gambit got shafted by being drawn into the pool with WE, I think it virtually assures they make it through to the main event. Though I'm also not a fan of the format where one Bo5 decides the four teams, since in theory if the ranking of the Play-in Teams is WE>Gambit>X>Rest, then X could get screwed by being drawn into the B05 vs Gambit through no fault of their own.

As for NA, IMT and TSM both got favourable draws (though TSM's while still good becomes a lot less good in the 50%+ scenario where they get WE).
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Post Post #7427 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:31 pm

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They'd never admit it, but I think it's clear that kicking Dardoch for Omargod was a clear decision to sacrifice a spot at Worlds 2017 in order to try and improve the organization longterm.
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Post Post #7429 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:57 pm

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To clarify I don't necessarily think that CLG with Dardoch goes to Worlds. I just think that CLG with Omar clearly would not.
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Post Post #7432 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:17 pm

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In post 7430, SleepyKrew wrote:Nah they definitely had a decent shot with Omar.
I don't agree. I don't think there was ever a scenario where they could beat any of IMT/TSM/C9 with Omar in the Jungle. Heck, even NV almost knocked them out purely because of how bad Omar was.
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Post Post #7438 (isolation #25) » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:53 pm

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Oh good. Games run from 1am-7am ET. Perfect timing, really.
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Post Post #7445 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:18 pm

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Even Riot seems unclear if the Play-in Stage is part of Worlds or not. If Cloud9 fails to make it out of the Play-in stage, it's not clear whether next year Riot will say "Cloud9 has made it to Worlds 5 straight years" or not.
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Post Post #7460 (isolation #27) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:05 pm

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Lyon making a game of it.
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Post Post #7462 (isolation #28) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:12 pm

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As a TSM fan I'm a Lyon and Gambit fan right now.
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Post Post #7467 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:25 pm

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In post 7416, PJ. wrote:WE, Gambit, Fenerbach are the top tier imo
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Post Post #7479 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:31 pm

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Just think if Young Generation had been able to close out against Fnatic yesterday, or could have taken care of business against KLG.
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Post Post #7487 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:35 am

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In post 7484, zoraster wrote:C9 vs. Lyon at a time I can watch? Awesome.

Glad Fenerbahce has a good chance of getting out of groups. Fnatic's HKA match will hopefully be competitive. I only watched the YG games but Fnatic clearly having trouble figuring out how to close games.

I don't think WE will have trouble with YG.

On the plus side, TSM has a 50/50 chance of getting a wildcard team rather than WE, right? Haven't looked back at the implications since the group draw but one of one/fennerbace will make it out and can be slotted into Group D.
Slightly less than 50%, assuming one WC makes it through. If WC is drawn before WE, then TSM gets WE, while there's some scenarios where TSM gets WE even if WE is drawn before WC (the scenarios where the Group B slot is already filled).
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Post Post #7488 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:36 am

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Lyon got so screwed it's not even funny. You can make the case they're the third-best team in the Play-in, and they were in groups with one of the teams better than them and drew the other in the playoffs.
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Post Post #7492 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:10 pm

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3-1 C9
3-2 HKA

3-1 WE
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Post Post #7516 (isolation #34) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:20 am

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Ugh. TSM's games in Week 1 are at 3am, 3am, 4am ET.
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Post Post #7521 (isolation #35) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:29 am

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I would challenge the assertion that TSM could "easily" end up not making it out. That would be a pretty large failure, way more than from any of their previous Worlds groups.
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Post Post #7526 (isolation #36) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:27 pm

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I don't feel really good about my predictions in any group.
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Post Post #7531 (isolation #37) » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:34 pm

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Got annoyed at everyone on Reddit calling this Group D the easiest group in history, so decided to take a look back. Since this format was introduced in 2014, here is the group from each year that didn't have a Korean team in it:
  • 2014: SHRC, TSM, SK, TPA
  • 2015: FNC, AHQ, C9, iG
  • 2016: H2k, EDG, AHQ, INTZ
  • 2017: WE, TSM, FW, MSF
I'd argue that 2014 is clearly the strongest by a mile, but then 2017 is the next-strongest group.
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Post Post #7539 (isolation #38) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:09 pm

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TSM TSM TSM

Let's go boys.
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Post Post #7542 (isolation #39) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:47 pm

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I'll take it.
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Post Post #7550 (isolation #40) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:24 pm

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I was thinking about this, and while TSM may have gotten a "group of life", MSF and FW really got screwed.

TSM look really on form.
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Post Post #7552 (isolation #41) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:15 pm

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MSF ended up in literally the hardest possible non-Korea group. Top seeds from LMS/NA, and the regarded best team from China.
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Post Post #7556 (isolation #42) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:45 am

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And of course, just as TSM looks like they might be able to run through this group, SSG shits the bed against RNG to snipe them in the Quarters.
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Post Post #7559 (isolation #43) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:24 am

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I'm torn between wanting to root for all three NA teams to make it out, and wanting to sacrifice IMT so that more wildcards make it to Quarters than EU teams.
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Post Post #7562 (isolation #44) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:15 pm

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In post 7561, PJ. wrote:
In post 7560, zoraster wrote:they don't regionally sort the quarterfinal teams, right? so IMT vs. TSM is still possible if they finish 2 and 1 or whatever.
This is why as non-koreans we should be rooting for RNG to take first and SSG to go up against one of the other koreans.
That 1/3 of TSM drawing SSG is terrifying though, when otherwise they should be able to make the semis somewhat comfortably.

Though if SSG does finish as a 2-seed, and all three Korean teams end up on the same side of the bracket, that would be incredible. TSM/RNG semi-finals anyone?
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Post Post #7564 (isolation #45) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:50 pm

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IMT isn't going to come first in their group, and WE won't beat RNG in the Quarters.

SKT/EDG is also almost certainly not going to be the two teams advancing from A.
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Post Post #7579 (isolation #46) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:27 pm

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Nah, TSM will top the group at 5-1 in all likelihood. Was a bad game, but that happens in Bo1. Not too worried.
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Post Post #7604 (isolation #47) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:45 pm

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Agreed. I know Reddit and Twitchchat hate it, but I find the ADC-heavy gameplay much more interesting than most other metas.
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Post Post #7607 (isolation #48) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:28 am

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But even now K-Scope, do we really know if the 'correct' way to play this meta is the scaling lategame ADC comps that SKT/SSG/TSM have primarily been running, or if it's the more aggressive 'on a clock' comps from teams like RNG/EDG/MSF?
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Post Post #7614 (isolation #49) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:47 pm

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In post 7608, SleepyKrew wrote:week 2 games start 3 hours earlier than week 1 thank god
Ew, that's gross.

3-9 could be managed by going to bed early; 12-6 is almost impossible.
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Post Post #7619 (isolation #50) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:26 am

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From Reddit, here's a tool to show odds of advancing, both now and when individual match results are inputted: https://roadtolarissa.com/worlds-group-2017/
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Post Post #7628 (isolation #51) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:04 pm

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A lot changes now based on how bad Fnatic is. If they're garbage again this week, we get a IMT/GAM tiebreak. If they're great, we get a FNC/IMT/GAM tiebreak. And if it's somewhere in between, they probably play spoiler to either IMT or GAM.
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Post Post #7630 (isolation #52) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:10 pm

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If IMT beats FNC they almost guarantee at least a tiebreak.
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Post Post #7639 (isolation #53) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:46 pm

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rip IMT
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Post Post #7641 (isolation #54) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:47 pm

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Welp, gotta cheer for FNC now.
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Post Post #7643 (isolation #55) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:51 pm

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Any scenario where FNC doesn't advance is fine by me. Either IMT advance and we likely see 3 NA teams in Quarters, or else GAM advances which is also great.
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Post Post #7652 (isolation #56) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:56 pm

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Well, let's hope GAM can pull one more rabbit from the hat.
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Post Post #7654 (isolation #57) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:23 am

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In post 7653, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Seeing
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IMT get dumpstered today was worth it
Just so we don't confuse IMT as being representative of all of NA.
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Post Post #7661 (isolation #58) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:30 am

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I'd be surprised if either fail to advance, and shocked if both don't.
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Post Post #7684 (isolation #59) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:19 am

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I still think TSM is clearly the best team in their group, and definitely better than WE. I also don't really think it's fair to say historical precedent has them collapsing when historically they've been in absurdly stacked groups. No one is accusing G2 of choking or collapsing, for example.
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Post Post #7687 (isolation #60) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:39 am

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I meant this year for G2. That's the same group TSM had, who also convincingly beat the group winner and threw another game against them. And the narrative I've seen is totally different.

p-edit: That's also true for TSM last year. They were legitimately a top5ish team in the World, but ended in a group with runner-up SSG and an upstart RNG that was also a stylistic mismatch.
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Post Post #7737 (isolation #61) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:35 am

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Disappointing end to a great season. Hope somehow next year is different.
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Post Post #7738 (isolation #62) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:37 am

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Hell, going back to Bo1 NALCS might help. TSM has always done much better in series, but struggle in Bo1 group formats.
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Post Post #7744 (isolation #63) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:30 am

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Is there a single person in this thread making excuses for TSM? They didn't perform, period.
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Post Post #7750 (isolation #64) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:20 pm

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Sources say not the only current team to have been declined.
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Post Post #7753 (isolation #65) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:27 pm

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I'd be a little surprised if both Flyquest and P1 didn't get booted.

edit: on the subject of the new format though, I do feel like the addition of VC investors can only help TSM. Might shake up the clear organizational structure that has failed.
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Post Post #7766 (isolation #66) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:43 pm

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In post 7762, Voidedmafia wrote:Good news about this Knockout: Potential for a Korean teamkill in SSG vs. SKT or Longzhu.

Bad news: Since there are no "good" matchups, C9, MSF and FNC are gonna have to bow out in Quarters. Like, the absolute best team to be matched against would be WE for C9 and FNC because SKT, Longzhu and RNG are humongous beasts--RNG less so than the Koreans, but I still feel like they're just a step above WE.

I can't decide which I want guaranteed more: China vs. Korea semis, or China vs. Korea finals.
C9 can definitely beat WE and maybe even RNG. Less sure about Fnatic, but can probably beat WE if they show up on form.
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Post Post #7769 (isolation #67) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:50 pm

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This is either really good or really bad for C9, depending on if they can beat SKT or lose to AHQ.
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Post Post #7775 (isolation #68) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:07 pm

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Well, that was the problem. TSM spent all of the time between W1 and W2 scrimming SKT apparently.

edit: Joking aside, it does make me feel better about TSM continuing to disrespect Janna if Kkoma did as well. Clearly there was some disconnect between the various scrim blocks.
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Post Post #7803 (isolation #69) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:38 am

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The downside of this draw is RNG gets SKT in the semis rather than WE, which makes it less likely to have Korea vs China in the finals. But on the upside, if RNG win the title they will literally have 2-0'd SSG, then beaten SKT and LZ in Bo5s.
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Post Post #7805 (isolation #70) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:00 am

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I see your logic, and raise you an Uzi.
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Post Post #7810 (isolation #71) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:24 am

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Yes, that's me. Unless something really crazy happens, only scenario where I don't reach the top tier is if SKT wins worlds, but I don't think I picked enough upsets to allow me to catch the four people in front of me in our group.
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Post Post #7822 (isolation #72) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:04 am

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In post 7821, xRECKONERx wrote:longzhu over rng in the finals BOOK IT
Yup. Longzhu over C9, RNG over SKT, Longzhu wins.
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Post Post #7844 (isolation #73) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:42 am

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Gave up Sej/Trist in all three games, and Shen/Sej/Trist/Taric in the last two.
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Post Post #7871 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:45 am

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Congrats to RNG on winning Worlds.
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Post Post #7896 (isolation #75) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:22 am

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C9 outdrafted WE most of the series, then gave them Kog/Janna/Galio in game 5.
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Post Post #7898 (isolation #76) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:43 am

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I almost feel like they just assumed WE would let Singed through again? Really not sure what the plan was.

I think the play was to take Singed with the third pick, then if Lulu is banned go all-in with an aggressive support.
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Post Post #7900 (isolation #77) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:47 am

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That's what I mean. They took Trist/Lulu/Sej in first three rounds, presumably since with Janna going through they thought they had to take Lulu before the second round of bans. I think they had to take Singed there, and just run with Thresh/Blitz/etc if Lulu was banned. Or else at the very least taking the other side of the Gnar/Shen matchup so they had some sort of split pressure. As it happened they had nothing to play for.
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Post Post #7938 (isolation #78) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:15 pm

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From 4-2 in Groups, to 9-1 in Bracket against LZ/WE/SKT.
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Post Post #7940 (isolation #79) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:40 pm

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Correct! Makes me feel a bit better that they took KT's spot at Worlds, in hindsight.
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Post Post #7960 (isolation #80) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:11 pm

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Reddit.
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