A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream - D.S. al Fine

[drealmerz7]

that's a bunch of bullshit reasons to scumread someone

I haven't done anything in days because there's been nothing to do. You are rehashing the same shit back and forth and making it pretend like you're doing things. Going "omg he's not doing things he must be scum" is crapnonsense.

I appeared at the start of the Day, tried playing the game, got yelled at by a whiner for trying to play the game and get into things, and there's been practically nothing since.

I made actual, days ago, they haven't changed

I honestly see no reason to suddenly scumread me, going 'HEY YOU COULD SUDDENLY BE SCUM" is really bad

[drealmerz7]

that I'm even being considered as a lynch makes me think those considering me haven't been paying attention to the game or are hoping that enough others haven't been at least, cause geeez

[drealmerz7]

defend myself from what, exactly?

'derrderr you're scum!'

LLD, you said 'why am I not voting dreal?' or whatever, because you were checking the wind for when you thought the best time to try and get my wagon some momentum would be

why did you throw a hissy fit when I questioned you start of Day
oh wait, the same reason you threw a hissy fit at the start of the game with I FoSed you

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Dreal
fine so be it I won't feel bad for this I tried to hammer it anyway

"I tried to scummy scumhammer this before so that is a good reason to vote it again, ya!"

[drealmerz7]

why don't you think they are town?

what are your reasons for voting me from before?

[drealmerz7]

vote maria, no one has given a reason for why they think I'm scum
it's ridunkulous, maria should have been the lynch twice before

[drealmerz7]

like, the reasons that I've BEEN town don't change suddenly because days have gone by
I'm trying to not get angry for no one saying why they think I'm scum or a good lynch or anything
lalallaaa

[drealmerz7]

I love abstract deadlines, or non-disclosed
there's no reason to take nearly as long as most groups in games do
ends up hurting the game, imo and pushing it up to deadline just makes for sloppy lynches too

[drealmerz7]

what would you like of me? to repeat the same shit I've said before?
I mean, it's all of you that are on me that should be telling why you think I'm scum
...I feel like ppl forget how to play mafia sometimes, it is frustrating

[drealmerz7]

You're at l-1, shuld you really be going on about deadline mechanics?

He's scum, he's gotta try and act natural and post about something.

this is utterly ridiculous, can't believe we're not lynching maria or this

[drealmerz7]

because when I was put to L-1 before I "acted natural" ?
how many games have you played with me? ZERO?!
you're just talking out of your ass, it is ridiculous, I don't know what else to say
except to repeat

WHY DO YOU THINK I'M SCUM?!

[drealmerz7]

no, I've done plenty of things through the game, I just don't go on and on and on and on about them
my reads have shifted and changed a bit, but just because a couple of my reads haven't shifted much all game and I keep seeing reasons to think you+maria are scum doesn't make scum suddenly
quit being terrible, please

[drealmerz7]

doesn't make *me scum suddenly

I'm not tunneling, btw, if I were tunneling that would be me going on and on about the same reads

I stated my shit, I put my votes, I read other ppl say stuff that was mostly useless to see if it influenced my reads or how I wanted to vote, it didn't

job done

[drealmerz7]

maria is still scum for the reasons she's been scum all came

you, LLD, are either scum or just like being a shit to me, like it has been all game

hebi is suspect like she's been all game but with her clear from you, well, not much we can do

[drealmerz7]

no, I think you're scum, and this is you being terrible scum...duh?

[drealmerz7]

all you can do is talk shit at me who has been scumreading you for reasons all game, that is terrible scum

[drealmerz7]

oh, also maria is also likely scum because she knows this is not me being scum

p-edit: ummm, yes, I have given the reasons I think you're scum as I've thought through the game, wtf are you talking about? I didn't feel the need to go into them in that post because it should be obvious... ?

like, helloooo, it was just a handful of pages ago really, beginning of day, me asking you shit, you being a scumfuck by not answering and just being rude for me asking legit questions, the legit questions were also about things that give me reason to suspect you. I don't understand why I should have to repeat the shit that has happened, you're just being more scumtastic instead of engaging me in any real way, again, just terrible

[drealmerz7]

I don't know what more they'd like me to be posting about either, it's just "omg you're not posting more!"

Everything's been covered pretty well, I have a good grasp on a handful of player's thoughts/positions. I've given my views on everything I think is pertinent and said what I think the best course of action is. I guess I could clearer articulate that I think all the going on and on about the roles is tooooo much and not very helpful and we should still lynch who seems like scum

and hey, that's maria, and LLD

old news

[drealmerz7]

ugh, the foundation of that is just so painful I don't know what to do with it, LLD

anyway, me not wanting to go on and on about the different claimed roles doesn't make me scum (imagine!)
me not hounding over and over again why I think maria is scum doesn't make me scum
me not trying to get LLD lynched more than I did on D1 and D2 and D3 when it's been established that she'll sort / get the lynch in the next Day regardless, doesn't make me scum

are there things that you want me to address or talk about or share my views on that I haven't that make you think I'm scum for avoiding? no, you just want to pull nothing-reasons out of your ass and go "BUT YOU'RE SCUM" at me - I mean, please, point those ^^^ out to me if they exist, of course

[drealmerz7]

really wish maria would not self vote

kind of lost on who is scum now, good just lynching LLD but...yeh
am back to it could be any of sakura, ceph, TWIE, paladin, LLD, hebi

I've had stronger and more TRs this game than I've had ever before and they've all died cept regfan

I would have been a good doc this game

[drealmerz7]

ceph, can you please elaborate on what makes you think my play is by the far the scummiest?

[drealmerz7]

hey, thanks for the reminder, I am going to eat some propolis

[drealmerz7]

my pockets are empty

I wish I had something to give, but I don't

anyone have any questions for me about anything?

[drealmerz7]

I'm thinking, with the immobility and inactivity of everything, perhaps scum feels like they have a win in the bag as long as 1 of them doesn't get lynched today? so they're cool either NLing or lynching me and aren't going to sweat it either way and potentially expose themselves? I don't know...

This thought comes from the thought that, as I look at the VC, I realize that if I were not the (only) wagon I'd be thinking the person that is the (only) wagon, sitting with a couple votes, that hasn't gone anywhere for days, is most likely scum who isn't getting bused and scum are just waiting for ppl to shift elsewhere.

But I know I'm not scum so I'm thinking "why aren't I getting pushed as the ML more?", and so ya, that is where the first thought above came from

[drealmerz7]

I think LLD needs to be the lynch today

reflected on it for quite a bit

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

[drealmerz7]

^

[drealmerz7]

I don't ever know why a towny wouldn't claim when coming into the game and having the claim requested

interesting because when I was on a walk about an hour ago I came around to being pretty sold on sakura being scum

her choices make zero sense to me

I don't consider myself a very good town player, but I was able to predict who the NKs were each Night with pretty high accuracy this game, and so to me they seemed like REALLY obvious NKs, and have no idea why sakura would target any of her called targets the Nights she did

[drealmerz7]

And if there wasn't a claim I give a shit ton of information to scum so no. I am reading.

because some scum is going to try and draw a claim out of a replace-in when there hasn't been claims made previously and not think it is going to out them as scum trying to get claims *sarcasm*

[drealmerz7]

This is accurate.

wait...what happened to *knowing what is going on* first?

clearly you just ISOd sakura so you could find this

[drealmerz7]

wait do we actually have actual that sakura was directing the powers?

[drealmerz7]

math, then why not just say "wait let me ISO my predecessor to make sure they've actually claimed" ?

[drealmerz7]

hmmm

[drealmerz7]

ok well read the game and give your assessment and why you think that when you can

[drealmerz7]

curious what page you're up to atm

[drealmerz7]

@dreal: Could you comment further on how you think the game works with Sakura's role as scum?

I gotta think about it more hence the "hmmmm"

first inclination was to say "well the rule is there for modwifom of a scumrole so mechanics don't out the scumrole" but I gotta think it all back over and am not fully focused right now

[drealmerz7]

math, just read through the game

[drealmerz7]

MB, just read the game

then worry about playing it

[drealmerz7]

ceph, while I have no confidence in it either, I'm very curious as to what it is and think it could be pretty telling as far as MB's alignment goes

[drealmerz7]

ceph, MB is not nearly as bad at replacing into games and making no sense and bad posts as titus

I'll take MB replacing into a game 1000000 times before titus (I actually won't play with titus anymore and a lot of it has to do with how she replaces into games and then refuses to read the game)

[drealmerz7]

because of ceph's role?

[drealmerz7]

well I disagree that ceph is more likely town than I am

I also play pretty paranoid and think ceph's role could be an easy fakeclaim to make, especially if it was provided for him rather than come-up-with on his own

I try not to make alignment assessments based on claims alone and there's nothing with his role and claim that makes me go "ohhyeah that is definitely true / makes sense to be in the game and is absolutely a town role" - not even close

[drealmerz7]

none of that is stuff scum can't do if they're good at scum

I'm not trying to make a case for him being scum, just saying it doesn't make him town (doesn't make him more likely town) - for me

at the time it did make me lean town on him, but now looking back I don't feel it/see it and I see more from maria's view on him potentially being scum now that I know maria is town

for me ceph is pretty null and that is annoying, so I like hashing it out

[drealmerz7]

so I LLD scum with hebichan then?

[drealmerz7]

is

[drealmerz7]

I can support a mass flavor claim at this point

[drealmerz7]

remaining patient while you hopefully continue to read the game (:

I claimed when I was put to L-1 and it is best you read it in context

[drealmerz7]

aye, you've got some time, no need to plow through the 166 with speed

just stay at it, game was pretty stagnant until you came in anyway so there probably won't be a lot going on from now til deadline that doesn't have to do with your catchup

[drealmerz7]

the myth of Jesus doesn't say he was killed on Easter though

[drealmerz7]

as a moderator who heavily uses flavor I would absolutely use flavor to tell what has mechanically happened and not necessarily do it explicitly, as long a the setup and mechanics of the game allow for that, I wouldn't do it arbitrarily, and I can see 'loud' applying to what math is pointing out in the flavor (except it would absolutely have to be tied to the role flavor and not player name/avatar flavor)

p-edit: exactly

[drealmerz7]

I don't know

I know if I were scum and it were true of a scumbud, I wouldn't try to shut the idea down, but I could see it being done

I might be swinging back to my D2 stance of lynch hebi THEN LLD though

[drealmerz7]

errr, more because she's been a total scumfuck all game, but, I hear ya (:

[drealmerz7]

hey, a towntell from MB, hmmmmm

those make me so fucking paranoid, but I think it's genuine

[drealmerz7]

there's a difference between bleeding town / looking extremely towny, and giving a towntell

[drealmerz7]

we're playing charades, duh

[drealmerz7]

those Night choices though...

[drealmerz7]

there's a difference between bleeding town / looking extremely towny, and giving a towntell

if you say so bucko

umm, there is, not just because I say so

heh

[drealmerz7]

I recommend reading down

[drealmerz7]

Few pages behind but what are you referring to re; "reading down"

you said you were "reading up"

[drealmerz7]

plus there is LLD's "hey, I'm a character from my favorite book~!" or whatever that was

[drealmerz7]

math, who is scum if LLD is town?

[drealmerz7]

ohgeeez

watcher ability given the previous phase and regfan, if town, is the too-obvious target for the NK, that is why scum didn't kill him and went for smith instead

wanted me dead because yout think I'm scum...but I still can't figure out why you think I'm scum

[drealmerz7]

wow, you're actuallytrying to sell that, LLD?

[drealmerz7]

ugh, that just made me feel bad for not defending desperado more ):

[drealmerz7]

General Yu!

[drealmerz7]

you did already, but I guess doesn't hurt to clarify

[drealmerz7]

reiterate, better word choice

[drealmerz7]

ceph, if you had a day vigshot, who would you shoot right now?

[drealmerz7]

scum are not getting a giveable BP vest in this setup

[drealmerz7]

why would scum give the BP to a townie?

TO LOOK TOWN

phewww this is bad

don't make sadface at that serra that is just how I approach the game when making statements like that when I don't have an actual sane cop confirmation of someone's alignment

[drealmerz7]

Syryana is v/la until August 20

....

[drealmerz7]

you missed yourself, math

[drealmerz7]

@dreal:
But if you truly believe that there's no way scum get a sendable BP in this setup then that should make regfan as good as cop-cleared to you, but you haven't really been acting like that's the case.

not even close to as good as cop cleared

I don't even know how it would even begin to be

[drealmerz7]

people REALLY NEED TO STOP treating very logical very likely deductions the same as confirmations

it's fucking terrible

[drealmerz7]

ceph, serra,

if I'm scum, who are my buds?

[drealmerz7]

Another thing im wondering is why did floodgates die.

because they were the most obvious NK of all time?

[drealmerz7]

and then NMS was, then brian was

which is why I still can't wrap my head around sakura's choices

[drealmerz7]

people REALLY NEED TO STOP treating very logical very likely deductions the same as confirmations

it's fucking terrible

OK but I still feel that's an example of you treating him differentry than your read would imply you should

does it cross anyone's mind that regfan+sakura could be scum together and there was no BP vest ever? I mean, I don't find it highly likely, but it's not impossible

[drealmerz7]

ceph, serra,

if I'm scum, who are my buds?

LLD and twie/hebi/reg.

You say this like there are people you can't be scum with. I don't think that is the case at all.

you think I could be scum with either LLD or hebi?!?!?!?!?
I mean, my scumgame is pretty damn good I think, but wtf kind of busing agenda must I have if this is true?

*bus baku* - hey that worked! awesome! I'm going to bus and push 2 other of my scumbuds the rest of the game! IN IT TO DEEPWOLF

seriously?

[drealmerz7]

You are an enigma to me and I don't know why you do the things you do.

aside from wanting hebi before LLD, what other "things" can't you conceive of why I do them?

[drealmerz7]

I'm going back and looking for this "mod confirmation" of the BP vest

does someone have the post # handy?

[drealmerz7]

You are an enigma to me and I don't know why you do the things you do.

aside from wanting hebi before LLD, what other "things" can't you conceive of why I do them?

I ask because it is my desire a lot of the time to have things I do understood by others - sometimes not, but most of the time, especially at this point in the game, I want everyone to grasp my motivations

[drealmerz7]

thanks

was wondering if there was any ambiguity there I couldn't remember

my post 4396 sucks terribad then

[drealmerz7]

if there were people here with more experience with me they'd tell you I wouldn't make that shitpost as scum, I'm sure

that's me just being craptown

[drealmerz7]

jae probably freaking out that I'm alive in xYLO for shit like that

[drealmerz7]

if there were people here with more experience with me they'd tell you I wouldn't make that shitpost as scum, I'm sure

that's me just being craptown

You shit post in memory nice try

I mean making really bad nonsense posts that "whoops I forgot" the facts

[drealmerz7]

seriously though, we're all town here going in circles while scum sit back and watch

that's hebi+LLD+TWIE and it's that simple

let's get a rollon

[drealmerz7]

that's not even remotely close to the same thing

[drealmerz7]

that's not me as scum in the game going "oh whoops I forgot a fact" in order to push an agenda when I actually did remember

[drealmerz7]

and if your argument is "you could have actually forgotten about the BP vest confirmation as scum" - that's never something I'd do as scum I don't think, forget something that meaningful and obvious, I don't even know how I could forget that if I were scum, unless I suckbad as scum, which I don't, which is where my point on this started from

[drealmerz7]

you're being a huge lurking scumsack, TWIE

[drealmerz7]

right because that's all that has gone on since last time you made a meanginful post which was....never!

[drealmerz7]

that's why you should use yahoo instead of google

[drealmerz7]

wow, I just watched a newsclip about Frankie Muniz (Malcolm in the Middle) having severe memory loss

he doesn't remember anything really from his life

that's really fucking sad

:\

[drealmerz7]

I use yahoo most of the time because I feel like they are less likely to do tracking (or the extent of tracking) that other engines do

if I can't find what I want, then I use google

[drealmerz7]

ceph is the outlier for me

if 1 of hebi/lld/twie are not scum then ceph is scum

[drealmerz7]

lynch

the

scum

*bangs head*

[drealmerz7]

I was almost lynched yesterday?

[drealmerz7]

why?

[drealmerz7]

...

no...

why do you think it is so bad?

[drealmerz7]

seriously you can't think I was asking why about the dreams vs. nightmares...

[drealmerz7]

hummm, I've been patiently waiting for an answer...

[drealmerz7]

sooo, no answer still from TWIE as to why he thinks that post is bad

soya, again, LLD+hebi+TWIE

let's do it

[drealmerz7]

no, that's not what the argument I put forth at all

[drealmerz7]

nope, try again

like actually read my words maybe?

[drealmerz7]

Ugh...Like Cephrir reads like he knows people are town and drealmerz being a gambiter doesn't consider other people are gambiters? (See In Memory)

I'm not a gambiter AS TOWN

this is about not considering LLD is lying AS TOWN

UGHHHHHHHHHH wow....This is horrible. Being willing to hammer Cephrir after his claim without knowing what it is?

no, I'm not going to hammer if the claim convinces me otherwise
I didn't say "will hammer regardless of what the claim is", just making it clear that I won't hammer until there is a claim

[drealmerz7]

But basically some recent stuff I would interpret as scum drealmerz7 failing to emulate the right level of knowledge town should have. But perhaps that's reconcilable with his other weirdness.

seriously, I have no issue emulating the right level knowledge as scum
this is just me being mehtown

go look at a couple of my scumgames, and while I still argue all of the time that past history isn't something you can predict me on (I change up quite a bit), you can still tell my cunning ability as scum and how I'm not at all being cunning here, I think?

[drealmerz7]

meanwhile

LLD, hebichan, and TWIE continue to do ABSOUTELY NOTHING

no lynch makes no GD sense when we've got 3 uberlurkers in MYLO

pick the most likely one to be scum and lynch it, if it is town and we lose, rip them a new asshole for being terrible town lurksacks that lost us the game

[drealmerz7]

that's LLD, fyi

[drealmerz7]

Yeah, they might as well lurk it out at this point, they have a secure mislynch. math will scumread anyone who disagrees with them, so why post?

well they were lurking well before math replaced in, it's just intensified because math's doing their song and dance

[drealmerz7]

I'm currently watching national geographic live in africa - lions stalking some zebra

amazing

[drealmerz7]

TWIE, does this usually work for you as scum?

come into the thread and make meaningless semi-joke posts to try and get some charisma points or whatever it is you've been doing since you came into the game?

[drealmerz7]

did I ask you, ceph?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

no, it's not okay, actually

it pisses me the fuck off because I wanted him to answer it without any one else's opinions / viewpoints to taint his response

[drealmerz7]

*deep breath*

*hug*

[drealmerz7]

math, reg, get on this wagon please

[drealmerz7]

you weren't playing like this at all

you were being analytical and gamesolving and it became clear you were on to the team and were going to be a liability if we let you live going forward

you didn't post a lot, but when you did you were at least using your cutting smarmyness to contribute

here you're not contributing shit you're just being a troll

[drealmerz7]

yep

it wouldn't have mattered to kill you if you hadn't shown signs of actually knowing what was going on, would have just kept you alive for a ML push

[drealmerz7]

exactly

[drealmerz7]

yeah it would have been nice to do with it what I wanted instead of have ceph interfere and fuck it all up

[drealmerz7]

no lynching is a bad idea

if we can't get a lynch on scum LLD today, it's going to be even harder tomorrow when we're down another town

if LLD were town the 3 remaining scum would be all over that lynch today, it's an easy ML to make if it is town and for scum to hide in "reasons"

get on this fucking wagon, quit making shit more complicated than it is

[drealmerz7]

math, it's been days since you replaced in

you should have been reading and catching up the entire time instead of wasting your time with that VCA shit and whatever else it is you've been dicking around doing

didn't you use that exact logic to claim you were town

no, what the fuck is wrong with people's reading comprehension? that post had nothing to do with me arguing that I'm town, holy fucking shit

[drealmerz7]

don't fucking sigh you did absolutely dick to try to get a lynch or move the gamestate

your acting skills are horrible

[drealmerz7]

riiiiiiiiiiight

can't believe we're letting this shit live

[drealmerz7]

in case your V/LA lame-ass excuse is real:

tip for the future:

don't sign up for games that you aren't going to be able to participate in especially in late game

[drealmerz7]

No one knows when a game is going to end or if they would get invited to a wedding mid game.

Saying shit like this is horrible:

???? what nonsense is this?

a large theme game lasts approx 2-3 months

how do you know if they were invited mid-game or knew the wedding date for months in advance if you haven't read the game?

LLD, you still haven't even laid out any reasons why you think I'm scum

[drealmerz7]

Cause I'm done trying to figure it out.

I didn't ever see you start to try and figure it out

again, you're just writing whatever narrative you'd like to have in your fantasy brain, it's ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

i guess anyone can say anything now though because math sucks :3

I think they might be scum at this point but then I don't know who is town between hebi+TWIE

this is why useless lurkfucks shouldn't be alive at this point in the game

[drealmerz7]

you're being dramatic, I never said barred from mafia, and it doesn't matter what the reason is, if you can't play at crucial times, you should replace out or not sign up if you have the foreknowledge of needing an extended away time from the game, ESPECIALLY if it is going to fall near end-game

[drealmerz7]

umm, no, you haven't

holyshit, it must be fun in that deluded brain of yours

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

die, scum, die

[drealmerz7]

TWIE, LLD, MB is where I'm at atm

reg, yeah I can dig that up for you, not something I'll normally do for other players but I can recall them easily enough at this point

I agree, more often than not, quickvoting in LYLO is a bad move, but sometimes, to me, there's nothing to do and I honestly don't think it is as "OMG NOOO" as some people make it out to be ALL of the time (confident there isn't going to be any ability/mechanical revelations that are going to make me change my view - someone's not suddenly going to come in and be like "OMG DON'T VOTE LLD I HAVE AN INNO!!!"), and when I'm super-confident the slot is scum, I don't find it dangerous, though I've been wrong before too, but, like you'll see in the one game I'm linking, I'll do it if I don't think anything changes from the previous Days to LYLO to make me shift my reads.

FUCK, I've wanted LLD since the beginning of the game pretty much, and I 'check' myself for my confbias and tunneling as the game goes on, and she's just been obviscum and spewing crap the entire game.

Here I voted isomorphic (alisae+keyen hydra) as soon as the Day started in LYLO. They'd given me no reason to not think they were scum most of the game and after backing me into a corner practically forcing me to gladiate slysly on a previous Day, there was nothing they were going to say to change my mind to not vote them vs. persivul who played a good scumgame. keyen barely played that game and it was mostly alisae controlling the slot.

Here I was right in LYLO, but desp changed his mind (it's okay desp, I still love you.) I actually tried to force them both to vote first so I could decide the hammer but desp wasn't having it.

[drealmerz7]

I have a hard time not reading sakura's "OMG I've visited the kill every Night" as cover. I check my gut and gut leans scum. Them pushing you yesterday instead of going with LLD seemed like an out "hmmm I was going to bus LLD because there was no avoiding it but now it seems like we can get away with no lynch so I'm going to push that agenda via dropping my LLD suspicion and focusing on ceph"

*shrug* whatever, it's mostly irrelevant, I don't think I'm voting anywhere except LLD today unless someone has an uberconvincing reason why not

[drealmerz7]

no clue how that would be mod error

"starts anew"

[drealmerz7]

my guess is the dream affecting today is something like "the first vote on scum resets the votecount" or somesuch

[drealmerz7]

you/sakura

same slot, my brain didn't even register it being a problem

odd though

and yes, my vote is back to not voting because the day was "reset" , hence the "begins anew"

[drealmerz7]

*pats your head*

[drealmerz7]

didn't change my mind, I wanted LLD yesterday too

[drealmerz7]

^

[drealmerz7]

I'm fairly confident in LLD+TWIE and would like those to be the next 2 lynches (assuming LLD is correct and the game proceeds) and think by then the 3rd will become determinable

[drealmerz7]

I don't see reg as scum at all, he's been gamesolving hardcore the whole game

[drealmerz7]

Well, I guess, but wasn't it stated it was going to be a one-shot power and then it went away for some reason? What would that be if not a scum power? So they should have known what it did.

a change of which dream was the dream is what happened I was pretty sure?

[drealmerz7]

1 vote to lynch? seriously? more crap thoughts + bad narrative from LLD

in what world where there are likely 3 scum alive are scum even sweating it that much?

ugh, the lack of logic really hurts my brain

MB, didn't revote LLD because, *shrug*, people get pissy, I'm rather apathetic, the reset of the Day surprised me, *shrug*

here, want proof that LLD is scum? VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

[drealmerz7]

I seriously don't give much of a fuck at all at this point, that's not good, but, tired of this shit honestly

[drealmerz7]

if LLD is town they need to re-evaluate how they play mafia

[drealmerz7]

hebi, LLD pocketed you from the beginning

[drealmerz7]

A reminder of how PYP played out. I'm not saying I would kill you every time, but generally this is why I kill you as scum eventually, because your paranoia is always going to eat away at you.

this is a scumpost because 'I'M GOING TO ATTACK YOUR FEAR AND MAKE YOU QUESTION' - it's an attempt at demoralizing

[drealmerz7]

hebi, please go back and look at my claim when I hit L-1

go back and look at the momentum of the baku wagon after I parked my vote there

go read LLD's iso and tell me it's not full of shitspew (especially around their role, like the "the mod told me the base PM is this" - is just bogus! as well as the hedging on their ability to be effective)

ugh

the pain

[drealmerz7]

if you are seeing that possibility as even the slighest bit likely there is probably nothing I can do to convince you

I've been up her ass all GD game, like I said yesterday, what, am I like "yaaaa, busing bakumanna worked great! let me bus all my scumbuds the whole fucking game and cause unpleastantness with it! DEEPWOLF FTW!!!" ?

[drealmerz7]

key to this game often is not letting your paranoia get the better of your judgement, whether it is brain or gut or a combo judgement, the way NOT to play is to be motivated by fear

[drealmerz7]

omg, stop hurting my fucking head, first of all, I wouldn't need fucking coached

2nd, I've deep wolfed too, that's not the fucking point, it's the WAY of it that just doesn't make ANY FUCKING SENSE WHATSOEVER

[drealmerz7]

we are not scum together, I am not scum, LLD is obviscum

HAVE YOU READ THE FUCKING GAME?!?!?!?!?

[drealmerz7]

you've GOT to learn to play the game in LIKELIHOODS

and then use some COMMON SENSE

[drealmerz7]

I'm out

getting ragey

[drealmerz7]

breathed a few

am back

something is missing? what is missing?

MATH, answer the fucking question, have you read the game?

[drealmerz7]

you wouldn't answer me yesterDay when I asked you what page you were on either

[drealmerz7]

inexcusable at this point

[drealmerz7]

don't replace in if you can't catch up in a reasonable time especially in a game that is near end game

it's irresponsible and fucks the rest of the players who have been dedicating their time

[drealmerz7]

how about focus on the actual game

elaborate on your "something is missing" wtf are you talking about?

[drealmerz7]

ceph, can you please handhold me slowly through why sakura/MB can't be scum?

[drealmerz7]

maybe it's just a scumrole that can detect 1x in the game who received the dream and nothing more

[drealmerz7]

thanks

[drealmerz7]

regfan you're overthinking it, AND, trying to figure me out based on how I've played in previous games is a BAD idea (which I say in so many games)

omg, LLD, you are so fake

CAN'T PPL TELL THE FAKE?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

if LLD was town she'd have been lynched Days ago

10 pages of noise? huh?

I'm fake as fuck???? what the hell are you on?

beetlejuice??? I'M FUCKING HERE, WATCHING FOOTBALL AND TABBING BACK AND FORTH

fucking die

[drealmerz7]

LLD was sure regfan was scum most of the game...now?...

I'm not scum though, you shouting that I'm scum doesn't make me scum

[drealmerz7]

math, stop being terrible

go read LLD's iso

understand their play through the whole game has been shifty as fuck

why were you sure I was scum since D2????? because I said "fucking everyone else thinking we should lynch LLD>Hebi let's do Hebi>LLD?" because I was here EoD trying to secure a lynch, claimed a SUPER FUCKING TOWNY CLAIM when it was my turn

fucking hell I wish I'd defended desperado better

[drealmerz7]

agree we need every town today

that's me, regfan, ceph, and....I guess it has to be MB

mb/hebi, whichever of you is town, get your fucking head on straight and DO NOT FUCKING VOTE ME when it comes to it

fucking fuck

[drealmerz7]

Scum team is:

TWIE

One of Cephrir/Regfan

one of LLD/Drealmerz

this has to be the 3rd scum with this list

[drealmerz7]

hebi, when LLD is town do they have a decent ability to read you? if yes, why would she pick you to hide behind first in the game?


omg, LLD, fuck off with that shit, in any world where you and I are scum you are the lynch that goes first

you should have been the lynch before, know why you weren't? cause you're scum with buddies protecting and distracting

scum been painting me as scum for a ML whole fucking game

[drealmerz7]

LLD is seriously trying to plant in your heads that it is possible we are scum together and banking on you going with me

FUCK THAT SHIT THAT IS JUST SCUMTASTIC

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I'm not fucking appealing to you, I'm asking you to answer the fucking question I posed, WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK

[drealmerz7]

well get your fucking ego out of it and just answer the fucking questions

[drealmerz7]

I'm not saying we're scum together you misrepresenting sack of shit.

I'm making fun of Regfan who is suggesting it. I'm goading regfan, telling him that if he thinks we are scum together, he should just lynch you.

this is what scum do

[drealmerz7]

so that's a yes, she's good at reading you when she's town?

[drealmerz7]

if this takes more than 5 RL days to resolve I'm going to lose my GD mind

it should take 3, max

@hebi, okay then, so why does she waste a fucking hide on you N1?

[drealmerz7]

that's not really what I'm asking, I'm not asking why she chose you, I'm asking why she wasted the hide if she knew FOR SO CERTAIN you were town D1 after your shitpoor play

[drealmerz7]

yahhhhhhhhh okay

you're just scum together

I hope that makes it clearer to the rest of the townies

[drealmerz7]

because if I can "soulread" a player I'm not wasting a single shot on them unless I start to have doubts, especially not early game

LLD is just scum who is doubling down with a scumbud and a fakeclaim

how convenient

[drealmerz7]

and then you went into a 'well maybe my ability doesn't actually work' spiel

[drealmerz7]

and I stand by that floodgates was the most obvious N1 kill of all time and anyone else was absolutely safe with a NO FUCKING DUHSHIT exclaimation at the end

btw I want flavor claims

[drealmerz7]

ceph, reg, please do me (and town) a favor and don't vote until LLD, hebi, and TWIE have voted

[drealmerz7]

go read LLD's iso

understand their play through the whole game has been shifty as fuck

you keep saying this but i'm not really sure how you mean that.

but i don't really want you to bother explaining it because i know you will cite things that aren't compelling to me.

I mostly mean what you summed up in your summary just now, telling someone to read someone else's ISO so blanketlystated isn't something I normally do, it's something I'm doing to math because they replaced in and seem to be missing a lot of the essence of the game. The "There have been places where I thought she was bending over backwards to reach the conclusion she wanted to reach wrt her role and scumreads." How she's not getting SR hardcore by everyone for that shit is baffling. I also think it'd be good for math to check desperado's ISO for the leadup to his lynch. I feel like that just screams hebi+LLD being the scum.

[drealmerz7]

I think you misunderstood me

the she in that is refering to LLD, I've never mispronouned you I don't think

I want you to read LLD's ISO and am surprised she's not getting SR for the shit

[drealmerz7]

I wish you could trust in me a bit, I'm so confident in "who's playing chess to create the useful gamestate" - I'm not always this confident. I was this confident in everhope utopia when it was obviously gamma+titus at the end of the game (I was more confident in titus but gamma was pretty obvious too)

Days of Yore I was not confident at all.

In Ttyll and PYPDD I was obviously trying to manage the gamestate. In Memory I was just "all in" on my vig claim so didn't have much option.

[drealmerz7]

I was also this confident in a game with titus and cabd too where it was gamma and secret agent jin as the scum. Players spent days pouring over the gamestate and I'm just like 'GAHHH, it's gamma and JIN, just lynch them!!!' - we finally did, and won.

[drealmerz7]

I'm probably going to vote LLD today, even though I know you don't want to and therefore I might be blowing it regardless of the facts. :/

it really is the right choice

Well, I know that you think dreal is scum, so if he's not we're probably hosed

yeah, and I'm going to be telling you all I fucking told you so SINCE MY FIRST FUCKING REAL POST OF THE GODDAMN GAME

which is this btw:

not again!!!

silly drealmer! get your head out of your ass and into the game!

it's here! really! but where to begin?

well on who you think is most likely scum, how about that?

hmmmmm, probably LDD, maria not sitting too well either

LDD?!?! REALLY!? WHY?!

ehh, can't really articulate it, that slot just gives me bad feels more than others is all, like each of their posts is carefully done as to not say too much but still seem like they're contributing and gamesolving

it also seems like they got the wagon they wanted going going and are set and done for the Day

where LLD FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT for this

Math, if you haven't read the exchange after that, READ IT

ohya, and as a reminder, my first post of the game :

dreams are my realm

LLD is just spewing out crap left and right and you're all eating it up

STOP

[drealmerz7]

bah also meant to quote the post where I talk about there being something going on between hebi and LLD

but holy fuck I've been touting it all game so...ya, nothing new

either get your fucking heads on straight or don't, this loss is not on me if you vote me today

[drealmerz7]

that's just lame bullshit nothing, honestly, your denial of there being anything to it is what is telling

I have played a good deal with tammy and nacho (when they're independent), it's never affected my reads

on my HS I play with 2 brothers who live together, never affected my reads

[drealmerz7]

how am I trying to start fights and make noise?

go fuck off, seriously

[drealmerz7]

you're just puttingon a show and you're like stroking yourself off while you do it it's fucking disgusting

[drealmerz7]

people who are actually town:

if I'm scum why do I leave no room for other options except me and LLD? I know how to play scum and I'd leave options open so we have more of a chance at a mislynch, doing this ties us into a 50% chance which otherwise would be way less

I just....ugh....hurts my fucking brain how fucking obvious everything is and MB just can't see it

like I said, ceph, reg, MB too, don't vote until LLD, TWIE, and hebi vote

[drealmerz7]

In Memory is an outlier because I fakeclaimed unnecessarily for kicks to see if I could pull it off, I said as much postgame then

[drealmerz7]

MB I really want you to read my ISO here if you haven't carefully

you are one of the players on MS who is most familiar with my scumgame, and while I change up a lot and meta isn't a great way to read me, you've got to realize that I am more capable than what is going on here if I were scum here - I fucking carried my entire crap team in Ttyll, and In Memory they weren't much better and I still almost fucking won it singlehandedly

PYPDD we had a good team and we pretty much controlled the entire game, there it was just tight mechanics that made it super hard to maneuver, and we still pulled it off

do you get ANY sense that I'm playing to the same caliber here?

[drealmerz7]

LLD calls ceph demotivated, where LLD is the one who was absent pretty much all of yesterDay (yay insert BS RL excuses), and now that the win is in their grasp she's trying as hard as she can to AtE guilt and pressure all into voting me

yah, math REALLY needs to carefully read the game

[drealmerz7]

i mean the rl excuses were probably legit.

I'm sure she could have participated more if it weren't more convenient to simply not.

[drealmerz7]

Why do you guys keep saying I haven't read the game when I said I sped read it?

Why also are you not making cases for who you scumread?

Yelling at me doesn't make your point clearer.

sped read is not paying attention imo, it's getting a gist

at this point you need to know how the game flowed and have a better feel for everything

[drealmerz7]

this game is about tone and nuance and you can't get that from a speed read

[drealmerz7]

this is definitely not that game

like, you ask for a case, I honestly don't have any beyond what has been said already

ceph articulated it well with the "bending over backwards..." that LLD has been doing, you absolutely need to read it more carefully

and pleeease go read the LLD+me interaction from where I linked just now

[drealmerz7]

you're not the only one upset and feeling like shit right now.

this is gross emotional buddying that IMO is not good gamesmanship

[drealmerz7]

LLD says she wants TWIE to come help...yaaaaaa, cause he's been sooooo fucking helpful at any point previously

[drealmerz7]

that's how you'd like it to sound which is why you said it, but no, I'm town on the brink of us losing the game after town has known FOR DAYS that you should be lynched

you wanting TWIE to show up now so you can figure out his alignment is a fucking facade of more of you being like "ohhh and I can do this and try to convince it is me being town"

why weren't you trying to sort him previously? why now suddenly? it's just more empty BS

[drealmerz7]

and my and TWIE's interaction yesterDay?

mathblade, have you read the interaction between LLD and myself that I asked you to?