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Post Post #4029 (isolation #400) » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:54 pm

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It's possible, but not really worth discussing pre-LLD lynch.
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Post Post #4030 (isolation #401) » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:56 pm

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man i have to start playing better town games so i can get nightkilled instead of endgamed.
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Post Post #4034 (isolation #402) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:39 am

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we may as well take another dream

maybe theyll actually help at some point
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Post Post #4041 (isolation #403) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:58 am

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Probably, yes.
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Post Post #4043 (isolation #404) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:16 pm

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This might sound nuts but if you put a gun to my head and asked me to tell you the scum team I'd say LLD reg and drealmerz.
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Post Post #4053 (isolation #405) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:42 am

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@reg

I'm getting paranoid about you partly because of the stuff you've said about practically never losing as town -- you haven't been playing lately like someone who has their heart in the game and I would think someone with that kind of record wouldn't be likely to lose motivation. Moreover, it occurred to me that LLD's actions towards you could absolutely be bussing, and in fact that she is known for bussing. I also felt her non reaction today after presumably hiding or pretending to hide behind you, that is to say not mentioning it at all, was curious. I think she's scum because I have read her play in this game. Dreal is just the most likely scum to me on play out of everyone else, he's not roughly jack that was town motivated ever.
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Post Post #4054 (isolation #406) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:45 am

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Anyway it's just a theory

And yes I'm still voting NL today. No reason not to try for a dream right?
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Post Post #4056 (isolation #407) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:44 am

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:igmeou:
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Post Post #4057 (isolation #408) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:45 am

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If we were lynching today, that is definitely not the order in which we would lynch.
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Post Post #4060 (isolation #409) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:16 am

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Post Post #4061 (isolation #410) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:17 am

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but really between you serra and twie i thought both their predecessors were town but i've never thought you were
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Post Post #4064 (isolation #411) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:47 am

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In post 4062, hebichan wrote:Hey Cephrir, I want a lynch today. Lets do drealmers.

VOTE: Dreal
Why do you want a lynch today?
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Post Post #4067 (isolation #412) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:10 am

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In post 4065, hebichan wrote:
In post 4064, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4062, hebichan wrote:Hey Cephrir, I want a lynch today. Lets do drealmers.

VOTE: Dreal
Why do you want a lynch today?
Because I, and many others will lose even more motivation when yet another active town member dies tonight.

and the death will be me/serra/or you

I want to get the obvious scum out now while we still have some morale.
I don't think morale can get much lower than it currently is, and I'm not going to play suboptimally because maybe we'll feel better.
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Post Post #4068 (isolation #413) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:10 am

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you guys and your worlds.
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Post Post #4070 (isolation #414) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:19 am

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I want a dream. That's it.
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Post Post #4071 (isolation #415) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:21 am

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I'd also love to be shot, but that's a pipe dream.
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Post Post #4076 (isolation #416) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:52 am

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In post 4072, hebichan wrote:But the dreams have been 1. useless 2. bad all game. The best we've gotten is a bullet proof.

Why wait on something that could be negative?
There was a watcher in there. That's not bad and I would like another.

Because I think our chances are pretty awful right now and a small chance to improve them is better than nothing.
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Post Post #4078 (isolation #417) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:05 am

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win

i mean sure but that doesn't mean i have to bet the game on it right now. i still want lld first
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Post Post #4081 (isolation #418) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:34 am

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Because I'm his scumbuddy. Eyeroll.

I'm lynching you for being scum. It's what I'm the most sure about. I'm not sure that dreal isn't the last mislynch you need.

I didn't even want to lynch nos especially so don't come at me with that. But any other firsts I've had have been first before you, not first before anyone else.
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Post Post #4083 (isolation #419) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:53 am

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Because you had no town motivation for 4 days.

She could be scum with you; I haven't completely ruled that out. I suppose it's true that that appears risky otherwise and Im not gonna vote tomorrow without having a sit down and thinking about it first. I made that mistake in ep's game.

I just don't have much confidence in our ability to get it right 3 times in a row.
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Post Post #4084 (isolation #420) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:55 am

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I also didn't buy your reasoning for hiding with smith, and frankly I expected you to get it right last night and die. Have some BoP.
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Post Post #4086 (isolation #421) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:57 am

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Also I think you'll find my borderline giving up attitude is pretty consistent in xylo with multiple scum alive. I just stop trusting anyone or myself when I get into this position.
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Post Post #4089 (isolation #422) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:03 pm

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My head isn't completely here right now. I'm also posting from a phone at this exact minute.

The thing I am positive about is that no lynch is just mechanically right here especially with no one unequivocally clear barring maybe sakura who can't die.
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Post Post #4090 (isolation #423) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:04 pm

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Also, if the dream is a "this affects the game tomorrow" I move that we switch it because fuck this shit.
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Post Post #4091 (isolation #424) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:04 pm

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If you are town and the scum are immune to your ability and there are 4 scum then I'm perfectly tly happy taking a loss and blaming the setup but I really doubt that is what's up.
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Post Post #4093 (isolation #425) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:28 pm

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All roads to trying lead through No Lynch.
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Post Post #4095 (isolation #426) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:39 pm

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i'm feeling ambitious right now but if i'm alive tomorrow i might just reread the entire game.

i probably won't do that, but man i sure feel like i should.
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Post Post #4096 (isolation #427) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:41 pm

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also gdamn could you fuckers try and town a little help me out here
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Post Post #4097 (isolation #428) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:42 pm

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feel like i'm gonna end up being the town leader. it seems to be something i fall into in endgames because it takes everyone most of the game to notice how town i am and i'm not big enough to kill off in scary player lists.
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Post Post #4101 (isolation #429) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:34 pm

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Most of the dreams are one shot abilities. Those can't be bad. If it's not, vote it down.
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Post Post #4102 (isolation #430) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:35 pm

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Also, there's no one I'm townreading so strongly that having a suspect removed would be bad.
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Post Post #4104 (isolation #431) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:35 pm

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sakura can't die.

serra isn't the lock for me he apparently is for everyone else.
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Post Post #4106 (isolation #432) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:30 am

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There's no reason to believe that's possible
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Post Post #4122 (isolation #433) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:23 pm

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In post 4119, Regfan wrote:Think about the dream we received today, if we get anything remotely similar tomorrow we potentially lose from it.
Hence, if it's something stupid like "affects the next day," vote against it.
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Post Post #4135 (isolation #434) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:37 pm

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Feel free to end this day anytime. I am not budging.
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Post Post #4171 (isolation #435) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:51 am

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Hoooooooboy.
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Post Post #4172 (isolation #436) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:52 am

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Maybe don't make giant assertions about who we are lynching before you read the game.
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Post Post #4177 (isolation #437) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:54 am

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I'm just assuming we have to lynch right 3 times here and not banking on dream help. They could help, but they probably won't as they haven't yet.
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Post Post #4178 (isolation #438) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:55 am

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In post 4175, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4172, Cephrir wrote:Maybe don't make giant assertions about who we are lynching before you read the game.
I read the role PM and mod given flavor and predecessors ISO and reading consequences there of means Regfan I hope to Atheist Almighty is town. Based on those barring a weird flavor claim Hebichan is scum.
Yeah so we're not lynching on flavor claims in this game try again.
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Post Post #4187 (isolation #439) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:18 am

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In post 4181, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4178, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4175, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4172, Cephrir wrote:Maybe don't make giant assertions about who we are lynching before you read the game.
I read the role PM and mod given flavor and predecessors ISO and reading consequences there of means Regfan I hope to Atheist Almighty is town. Based on those barring a weird flavor claim Hebichan is scum.
Yeah so we're not lynching on flavor claims in this game try again.
Oh you don't understand.

Once everyone has seen what I said and commented one way or the other I will explain.

Because I am pretty sure of something.
You'll have to excuse me if I have no confidence in that whatsoever
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Post Post #4188 (isolation #440) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:19 am

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Someone shoot me.
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Post Post #4205 (isolation #441) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:58 am

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In post 4197, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4196, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 1171, hebichan wrote:Hey Regfan, I did chime into say that the desperado slot seemed more scum to me than baku, you are right.

I still read that way, I appreciate that I was at least wrong about baku, and that me making a counterwagon might seem scummy, but at the same time those were my reads.

I'll get back to you on the rest of your read on me.

My role isn't actually alignment indicative, My role is just that I am the target for dreams more often.
Oh yeah lynch with all due haste.

It is in direct contradiction with my power.

VOTE: hebichan
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Post Post #4220 (isolation #442) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:18 am

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In post 4211, MathBlade wrote:The way LLD and hebichan piled on drealmerz makes Drealmerz Town.

So Regfan and Drealmerz are conf Town.

Mainly it is a matter of if Cephrir's paranoia which pings me similar to Gay Mafia is scum or just holding onto a bad idea despite being proven wrong about it. If Cephrir is being stubborn Town then it is probably an inactive player for the last scum.
I'm always going to disagree with you when you replace into games refuse to read them and post walls of garbage that literally make no sense. If you are always going to suspect me for that then we are going to have a lot of bad times.

In my view there likely is a scum in the two people you just cleared so if you're going to be stubborn enough to declare them confirmed town based on conclusions you jumped to then we have already lost and I implore you to avoid me in the future.
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Post Post #4221 (isolation #443) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:25 am

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In post 4214, MathBlade wrote:Assume LLD is a genuine hider here. Then Smith dying does not make sense. Hebi would need to die first.
Let me ask this: what the hell are you talking about?
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Post Post #4246 (isolation #444) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:10 pm

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Nailed in the sense that a broken clock is occasionally right. Lol.
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Post Post #4249 (isolation #445) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:17 pm

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It's difficult to argue with someone irrational.

Those people aren't conf Town because there is no reason to claim they are.

I don't especially think LLD is town.
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Post Post #4250 (isolation #446) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:19 pm

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I'm aware that my reaction to you replacing into this game and that other one are quote similar. It's because that's how I react to nonsense. If anything I'm more annoyed this time because I'm actually town and have to wrangle you into voting correctly and understanding the game state in addition to actually figuring out who is scum.
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Post Post #4252 (isolation #447) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:01 pm

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In post 4251, MathBlade wrote:3) Flavor seems to be important based on the mod's first post.
OK, reading it I can see why you think this, but I think that the "puzzle" just refers to the game of mafia.
In post 4251, MathBlade wrote:5) Questioning why LLD didn't policy lynch herself despite her saying on day four she would.
As much as I never agreed it was the right move for her to do this; it is a bit suspicious and I do suspect her.
In post 4251, MathBlade wrote:6) Flavor seems to follow each person's death highlighting important actions.
7) The Japanese mafia has been mentioned in multiple flavors.
8) The only player with a Japanese name is Hebichan.
8.5) Therefore Hebichan is likely scum.
I am not convinced this follows. It's pretty rare for flavor to be significant, and if it is, I would expect the mods to be a bit less amateurish than essentially hinting the name of the person who did it. Plus, if this is a mechanic, what happens if you get a scum kill from a player who there isn't a way to easily hint at the name of? Me, for instance? If I changed my avatar you'd be SOL on making a mechanic like that apply to me which suggests it's not a good mechanic and wouldn't be done. Overally though, I'm really hesitant to think the flavor posts are just going to give away who is scum, I haven't seen that since 2005 on the first site I played on and I think it would be pretty lame.
In post 4251, MathBlade wrote:9) LLD said she is a hider.
10) LLD said she visited Hebichan and mhsmith0.
11) Hebichan was not killed on the next night despite being an "innocent" and mhsmith0 was.
12) This means that Hebichan is a godfather to hiders or LLD is scum with Hebichan assuming point 8.5 is true.
There's no rule that says scum have to shoot innocent results. Perhaps they were more afraid of Brian, who was universally townread and a pretty good scumhunter, than hebi, who while possibly clear is a low-impact player.

Also, I'm just not really interested in considering the "hebi is scum without LLD" angle. I think the whole idea of putting hider-godfathers in this game where hider is essentially the only town power would be very lame.
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Post Post #4255 (isolation #448) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:58 pm

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In post 4254, MathBlade wrote:Are you attacking the idea a mod wouldn't do it? >> See Gay Mafia where it was "amatuer ish" but still done and you were in that game. I have seen multiple games where results were posted there. Gay Mafia is the most recent one to memory.
No.... it wasn't.... they didn't do that.... you just thought they did..............
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Post Post #4256 (isolation #449) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:00 pm

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In post 4253, MathBlade wrote: And my predecessor had given all the shots to Town?
Did she? How do we know that?
In post 4253, MathBlade wrote:Yes there isn't a hard and fast rule but it is -EV. If you don't shoot confirmed Town scum has to deal with it down the line and that conf townie having more influence.

E.g. Scum are probably going to try to kill me to stop the randomness.
Meh. I don't think anyone is scrambling to fall in with hebi's reads since she hardly posts any.

Brian's reads were probably good. They usually are. And he was never getting lynched, which is close enough to confirmed town.
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Post Post #4260 (isolation #450) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:39 am

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In post 4257, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4255, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4254, MathBlade wrote:Are you attacking the idea a mod wouldn't do it? >> See Gay Mafia where it was "amatuer ish" but still done and you were in that game. I have seen multiple games where results were posted there. Gay Mafia is the most recent one to memory.
No.... it wasn't.... they didn't do that.... you just thought they did..............
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The docs were literally in the Flavor Cephrir...Do I have to quote end game and dead chat?
do you know what flavor is
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Post Post #4261 (isolation #451) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:40 am

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In post 4258, MathBlade wrote:They are all dead except Regfan and Regfan is town because reasons.

So yes.

And Brian's reads we're LLD and Hebi scum. You realize that right?
Giving a bulletproof vest to someone doesn't make you town

I hadn't checked.
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Post Post #4265 (isolation #452) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:16 am

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In post 4262, MathBlade wrote:Subject: Gay Mafia III - Deadthread / Spec Thread
Titus wrote:
In post 39, Tammy wrote:I will laugh if Fedora is really just a loud messenger and decided to claim loud doc and everyone is just buying it up.
I would never do this as town. I never really considered it as scum. Wouldn't seem pro win con.
The actions Titus did were put in the flavor and Titus was killed on Easter when her flavor was Jesus Christ. How the hell do you forget/not check that?
Her role was that her actions were announced. Not in the flavor. Just announced. In a flavorful way, sure. It wasn't hidden in a fucking puzzle.
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Post Post #4266 (isolation #453) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:17 am

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In post 4264, MathBlade wrote:viewtopic.php?p=8964830#p8964830

^^ @Cephrir really??? You "forgot" you've seen this exact same thing before and I am unreasonable for seeing a flavor pattern?

@drealmerz that is why it is funny. The myth says that is when Jesus came back to life. So being killed on Easter was hilarious. Can't believe Cephrir forgot that.
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Post Post #4278 (isolation #454) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:13 am

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Wait, THAT is where you see a towntell from her? If nothing else, math has been bleeding town all over the thread since her first post.
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Post Post #4285 (isolation #455) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:56 am

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In post 4279, drealmerz7 wrote:there's a difference between bleeding town / looking extremely towny, and giving a towntell
if you say so bucko
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Post Post #4286 (isolation #456) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:56 am

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In post 4281, TheWayItEnds wrote:what the fuck is happening in this thread now?
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Post Post #4287 (isolation #457) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:57 am

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@math afaik everyone has claimed dreamer except for your slot, LLD (hider) and me (1-shot vote counting role that didn't end up helping)
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Post Post #4290 (isolation #458) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:00 am

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In post 2787, Cephrir wrote:So, my role is a one shot dream vote count getter. I'm rachael rosen, the girl from do androids dream of electric sheep. Yes, I told you it was shit and you should consider me a VT, because it is and you should.

It's a moonrise action and I sit out of the moonrise vote if I use it (hence the X). The VC I got shows 6/4/2 for day (I guess 3 people didn't vote?? and at least two are wrong or lying? maybe i don't understand how dreams getting hammered works) and 8/3 for night (which still seems to show some nonvoters... maybe scum didn't vote because they were planning on using their roleblock all along?)

This means that Imperium's vote is surely 1/1 unless they're gonna also contribute to the mess of apparent liars. Or perhaps they didn't vote at all. NMS/Nos/Varsoon presumably voted 1 during the day, even without my role we can deduce that since dream 1 was revealed.

The reason I asked for a hammer was that I wanted to pull a shitty gambit. Like mega shitty, and it was very unlikely to work, but I was hoping to squeeze some possible utility out of this shit role.

My plan was to claim that I was informed that dream 2 was pro-scum (or not, I hadn't decided whether to include that or not yet) and I had the ability to dispense a power to a random someone who voted for the minority dream at moonrise. I would then ask like 3 townreads or something to be the only ones to vote for that dream. The reason I wanted the hammer for this was so that no one would have time to point out that this plan doesn't actually work because scum can switch their votes. I was gonna make sure the mods were around and everything, as well as switch my own Day vote to 2 to ensure that it went through.

Then, if my vote count showed 6 players voting for dream 2, we would know that all the scum flipped their votes to 2, thereby clearing the 3 townreads.

Scum probably wouldn't have fallen for it, but I figured it was worth a try.

So as you can see, if I wasn't playing like I needed to hammer before I asked for one, it's because I hadn't yet thought of a shitty gambit/was still trying to work out exactly what shitty gambit to attempt (I had several other plans before this one that I ended up scrapping when I realized they didn't work).
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Post Post #4332 (isolation #459) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:35 am

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Math, I don't know why you think you're an expert on me after like 2 games.
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Post Post #4333 (isolation #460) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:50 am

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Also yes obviously there aren't 4 scum or the game would be over
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Post Post #4335 (isolation #461) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:52 am

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I think I'm incredibly town this game and it's pretty lame that "its impossible for lld and hebI to be bussing here because ??? Reasons" is apparently more compelling than that.
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Post Post #4337 (isolation #462) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:54 am

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Hey you agree with that what're you eye rolling at
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Post Post #4338 (isolation #463) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:57 am

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I should probably get it on record today that I don't believe in hider godfathers.
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Post Post #4344 (isolation #464) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:07 am

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In post 4341, drealmerz7 wrote:ceph, if you had a day vigshot, who would you shoot right now?
LLD.

Having her dead without a lynch would be incredibly useful.
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Post Post #4346 (isolation #465) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:08 am

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Your ability to figure out who's town is a joke ^^
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Post Post #4347 (isolation #466) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:09 am

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I guess I had better start assuming regarding town then.... since you're not going to listen
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Post Post #4348 (isolation #467) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:09 am

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Reg town*

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Post Post #4351 (isolation #468) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:13 am

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Alright so at this point I don't see how we ever win with math around unless we get a dream miracle. We likely have 3 scum to lynch and she will undoubtedly derpvote me at some point. Ergo, I am forced to vote for a lynch today and hope we get a doc save or something.

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Post Post #4352 (isolation #469) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:13 am

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In post 4349, MathBlade wrote:Furthermore why didn't you try to establish who had what vote cast on day two regarding your claim?
I did!!! Have you even read my posts?????
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Post Post #4359 (isolation #470) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:26 am

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In post 4354, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4351, Cephrir wrote:Alright so at this point I don't see how we ever win with math around unless we get a dream miracle. We likely have 3 scum to lynch and she will undoubtedly derpvote me at some point. Ergo, I am forced to vote for a lynch today and hope we get a doc save or something.

VOTE: LLD
#1 I am a They
#2 Still reading
#3 Why don't you answer my question
#4 What part of no lynch do you not understand?
#5 If you are Town (doubtful) scum could kill you or scum could kill me (likely) TownCephrir doesn't just give up.

That LLD vote is super weird.
3. I did
4. I understand it just fine and was it's strongest supporter until just now when I realized I had no choice
5. Scum won't kill me because they want you to mislynch me; and again, and again I don't understand why you think you know me when you clearly don't but I get fatalistic as town all the time
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Post Post #4362 (isolation #471) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:27 am

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We know reg gave you the vest, Sakura claimed that forever ago. That's how we all know where your town read on reg is coming from and have been disagreeing with basing it on that.
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Post Post #4363 (isolation #472) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:28 am

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In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:Example here 100% accurate townreads at the start of the game with the exception of serrapaladin who is currently unknown. I don't know of a scum who puts all their buddies as scumreads early.
Oh my god THAT is why he's 100% for sure toen? Holy ducking hell
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Post Post #4364 (isolation #473) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:28 am

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In post 4358, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4356, serrapaladin wrote:What are you on about. Sakura (for some ungodly reason) claimed she received BP from Regfan, which he confirmed.
Assume this is true (of which I neither confirm nor deny) then why would scum give the BP to a townie?

This also implies that scum could be night killed at some point possibly.
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Post Post #4369 (isolation #474) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:31 am

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In post 4366, MathBlade wrote:
In post 827, Floodgates wrote:Don't worry Cephrir you're one of my weaker scumreads so I'm sure by the time we've lynched your buds and a townie or two you'll have nightkilled my slot and her slot and won't have to worry anymore.
@Cephrir Thoughts?
My thoughts are that you're going to do anything you can to justify your scum read on me, and I just hope you have the humility to admit to having been wrong but it's more likely youll congratulate the scum for playing so well and blame me for not being good enough like most people do.
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Post Post #4373 (isolation #475) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:34 am

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In post 4371, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4364, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4358, MathBlade wrote: why would scum give the BP to a townie?
TO LOOK TOWN
phewww this is bad

don't make sadface at that serra that is just how I approach the game when making statements like that when I don't have an actual sane cop confirmation of someone's alignment
GUESS I'M JUST SUPER FUCKING BAD THEN!!!!!!!
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Post Post #4376 (isolation #476) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:35 am

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Wow, so the players who voted a wagon were either town or not town? Who could have guessed?!?!?!?!
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Post Post #4379 (isolation #477) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:36 am

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Here comes the vca!!! Oh boy!!!! I can't wait to get scum read for doubting the perfection of vca!!!!!!!!!!
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Post Post #4381 (isolation #478) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:36 am

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In post 4375, serrapaladin wrote:@dreal:
But if you truly believe that there's no way scum get a sendable BP in this setup then that should make regfan as good as cop-cleared to you, but you haven't really been acting like that's the case.
That's because he's scum!!!!!!
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Post Post #4384 (isolation #479) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:38 am

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Hi cabd! Are you enjoying my mental breakdown? I bet you are!
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Post Post #4386 (isolation #480) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:38 am

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In post 4383, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4375, serrapaladin wrote:@dreal:
But if you truly believe that there's no way scum get a sendable BP in this setup then that should make regfan as good as cop-cleared to you, but you haven't really been acting like that's the case.
not even close to as good as cop cleared

I don't even know how it would even begin to be
What?
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Post Post #4392 (isolation #481) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:43 am

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In post 4387, drealmerz7 wrote:people REALLY NEED TO STOP treating very logical very likely deductions the same as confirmations

it's fucking terrible
OK but I still feel that's an example of you treating him differentry than your read would imply you should
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Post Post #4394 (isolation #482) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:45 am

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In post 4389, drealmerz7 wrote:ceph, serra,

if I'm scum, who are my buds?
LLD and twie/hebi/reg.

You say this like there are people you can't be scum with. I don't think that is the case at all.
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Post Post #4399 (isolation #483) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:47 am

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In post 4396, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4392, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4387, drealmerz7 wrote:people REALLY NEED TO STOP treating very logical very likely deductions the same as confirmations

it's fucking terrible
OK but I still feel that's an example of you treating him differentry than your read would imply you should
does it cross anyone's mind that regfan+sakura could be scum together and there was no BP vest ever? I mean, I don't find it highly likely, but it's not impossible
I don't think the Sakura slot is scum so I'm not worried about anything involving it, but as has been pointed out, we know the vest existed.
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In post 4391, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4390, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1040, Sakura Hana wrote:Another thing im wondering is why did floodgates die.
because they were the most obvious NK of all time?
Why?
They were pretty town and a feared player.
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Post Post #4402 (isolation #484) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:51 am

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You are an enigma to me and I don't know why you do the things you do. I did forget about that, but you also did try to push hebi over LLD which makes as little sense now as it did then. Perhaps you would have backed off LLD after a hebi town flip.
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Post Post #4408 (isolation #485) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:57 am

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In post 4403, MathBlade wrote:Everyone reads if LLD Town and LLD scum goooooooo
scum
In post 4404, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4402, Cephrir wrote:You are an enigma to me and I don't know why you do the things you do.
aside from wanting hebi before LLD, what other "things" can't you conceive of why I do them?
Don't just mean in this game. I don't get your approach to mafia.
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Post Post #4410 (isolation #486) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:58 am

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In post 992, morph the cat wrote:
"We Don't Need Another Hero. Oh Wait, Yes We Do!"


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So many defenseless dreamers. Who will step up and save them?




A random dream-receptive player will be able to send another player a one-shot bulletproof vest. The vest must be given tonight.


Night 1 Begins Now.

Deadline: August 23, Noon US Eastern Time

Countdown: (expired on 2017-08-23 09:00:00)
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Post Post #4435 (isolation #487) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:25 am

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Great, now you're on LLD town for some bloody reason, I guess because I, the antichrist, voted for her?
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Post Post #4436 (isolation #488) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:26 am

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I wonder if I can use my evil devil powers to win at mafia
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Post Post #4437 (isolation #489) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:28 am

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wasnt drealmerz 100% town forever like... 24 hours ago?
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Post Post #4438 (isolation #490) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:29 am

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don't google antichrist
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Post Post #4439 (isolation #491) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:30 am

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i hope i'm not on a government list now
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Post Post #4441 (isolation #492) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:32 am

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no, no, i should use america' favorite search engine, Bing(tm)

this post paid for by microsoft inc
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Post Post #4444 (isolation #493) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:36 am

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idk i bet they do it too it just gets less press

but i could be wrong
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Post Post #4445 (isolation #494) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:37 am

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In post 4444, Cephrir wrote:but i could be wrong
(welcome to A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream Day 5, where this is a novel idea)
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Post Post #4452 (isolation #495) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:01 am

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In post 4449, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4446, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 4434, serrapaladin wrote:Nah to be fair though there's been quite a bit to comment on and you just gave "if these people won't vote for a wagon we can't lynch" IIOA
you're right.

because i thought we werent lynching.
Lol

Yeah and Cephrir's no matter what we aren't lynching changed into we're lynching him when I suspected him.
Yes. Yes, it did. I'd like to win, so I figured maybe I should try for that!

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Post Post #4456 (isolation #496) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:20 am

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keep in mind your answer can and will be used against you in a court of law.
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Post Post #4462 (isolation #497) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:41 am

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In post 4459, TheWayItEnds wrote:my only concern with voting lld is that if shes scum i dont know what the point of the global roleblock was.

but like.

on the other hand.

i dont know what the point of her role is if shes claiming that shes a commuter with a downside either.
In post 4460, TheWayItEnds wrote:i just dont understand where the town power is in this setup at all.
this is fair
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Post Post #4470 (isolation #498) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:45 am

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joke
jōk/Submit
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1.
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
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synonyms: funny story, jest, witticism, quip; More
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Post Post #4509 (isolation #499) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:12 am

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dang vca got me again

and mathblade's sick meta of having played with me twice is just too strong! darn
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Post Post #4510 (isolation #500) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:48 am

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ill get you next time, brilliant detective mathblade! NEXT TIIIIIIME!

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Post Post #4512 (isolation #501) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:13 am

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oh, THREE!!!! ok you know everything there is to know about me then
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Post Post #4514 (isolation #502) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:16 am

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@math

has it occurred to you that perhaps there are other reasons for that change? such as making charitable assumptions about you at first, and then changing them as a result of further information?

i attacked the skill of you when you were scumreading me because you didn't make any bloody sense. as you can see from me continuing to claim as such in this game, clearly i honestly believe you didn't make any sense and randonly happened to get it right in that one.
Much more calmer about thinks.
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Post Post #4516 (isolation #503) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:33 am

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it's pretty neat how bad my scum game is that i decided to antagonize someone when i was sitting pretty! boy, it sure makes sense that scum me would be sooooo worried about this one vote!!!

oh right, no it fucking doesn't whoa
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Post Post #4517 (isolation #504) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:34 am

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if i'm scum here and reg is town and so is lld i probably feel pretty confident here about getting him to vote her

do i seem confident?
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Post Post #4518 (isolation #505) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:38 am

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can i perhaps persuade you to withhold your vote tomorrow long enough for me to prove to you that your view of the gamestate is wrong? i believe other votes coming down will likely do that.

or lld is just town and ill misvote and lose, but since you believe i'm scum that shouldn't worry you
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Post Post #4521 (isolation #506) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:47 am

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Yeah, they might as well lurk it out at this point, they have a secure mislynch. math will scumread anyone who disagrees with them, so why post?
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Post Post #4524 (isolation #507) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:54 am

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In post 4522, morph the cat wrote:
Happy Scumday, Cephrir!
It's really not, but I appreciate the sentiment.
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Post Post #4528 (isolation #508) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:12 am

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you see, each horizontal segment of colored wagons has to have some red to balance out the green because it's almost christmas
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Post Post #4530 (isolation #509) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:13 am

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n a i l e d
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Post Post #4533 (isolation #510) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:17 am

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it might be better
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Post Post #4534 (isolation #511) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:17 am

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i haven't, i'm not that kind of girl
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Post Post #4537 (isolation #512) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:28 am

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ok ok i'm as basic as they come, i'm listening to christmas music while sipping a pumpkin spice latte at this very moment

you got me ;~;
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Post Post #4538 (isolation #513) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:28 am

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In post 4536, drealmerz7 wrote:TWIE, does this usually work for you as scum?

come into the thread and make meaningless semi-joke posts to try and get some charisma points or whatever it is you've been doing since you came into the game?
he does it as town too
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Post Post #4539 (isolation #514) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:29 am

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tbh i don't know why he plays mafia but i find it amusing more often than not
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Post Post #4541 (isolation #515) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:29 am

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i just like answering questions that aren't directed at me ok
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Post Post #4543 (isolation #516) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:33 am

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Post Post #4548 (isolation #517) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:46 am

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the real sin here is mafsilver
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Post Post #4551 (isolation #518) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:54 am

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tru
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Post Post #4569 (isolation #519) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:23 am

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didn't you use that exact logic to claim you were town
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Post Post #4574 (isolation #520) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:14 am

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Then you lost.
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Post Post #4579 (isolation #521) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:16 am

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i agree lld, its unfortunate that you get a free win for such a dumb reason
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Post Post #4589 (isolation #522) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:40 am

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surely you can see that this shift towards me is coming because it has to, yes?
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Post Post #4590 (isolation #523) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:41 am

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whatever, why am i still talking, this is lost
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Post Post #4591 (isolation #524) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:41 am

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if i selfvote can we end it today?
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Post Post #4595 (isolation #525) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:50 am

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didn't we JUST come from you assuming it didn't

i guess anyone can say anything now though because math sucks :3
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Post Post #4598 (isolation #526) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:55 am

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I mean, not according to the actual definition of "likely" since my role pm is green.
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Post Post #4599 (isolation #527) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:00 am

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hell reg could vote me and she wouldn't notice that it's a scum claim
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Post Post #4600 (isolation #528) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:03 am

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they, sorry
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Post Post #4608 (isolation #529) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:42 am

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In post 4603, drealmerz7 wrote:I think they might be scum at this point but then I don't know who is town between hebi+TWIE
They're not.

They're just bullheaded and... other words I will keep to myself
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Post Post #4617 (isolation #530) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:21 am

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In post 4615, morph the cat wrote:With a mixture of resignation and dread, you close your eyes and await the dream.
ok im still waiting
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Post Post #4619 (isolation #531) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:21 am

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who's ready to lose

i am so ready
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Post Post #4624 (isolation #532) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:39 am

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uh

ok
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Post Post #4627 (isolation #533) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:32 am

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is there like a secret scum gladiator or something
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Post Post #4628 (isolation #534) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:36 am

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VOTE: LLD

i know at least one mod is here. :P
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Post Post #4629 (isolation #535) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:38 am

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and SLACKING OFF
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Post Post #4630 (isolation #536) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:42 am

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and being NEEDLESSLY CRYPTIC

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #4632 (isolation #537) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:44 am

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I need somebody
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Post Post #4634 (isolation #538) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:49 am

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Not just anybody
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Post Post #4636 (isolation #539) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:53 am

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You know I need someone
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Post Post #4639 (isolation #540) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:50 am

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I don't think they'd just make us sit here not being able to vote anyone.
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Post Post #4642 (isolation #541) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:54 pm

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if youve been reading the game you should know thats not unlikely at all lol
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Post Post #4643 (isolation #542) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:56 pm

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still pretty much think reg's scum simply because i can't fathom why he doesn't seem to give a damn about how dire this situation is from his pov.
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Post Post #4644 (isolation #543) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:57 pm

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with lld obviously, idk who the third would be if that's right but i don't need to figure it out because nothing matters unless captain smartbrain replaces out
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Post Post #4646 (isolation #544) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:58 pm

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math isn't scum please stop.
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Post Post #4648 (isolation #545) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:07 pm

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i certainly agree that it doesn't matter, and moreover if it does matter then i guess you'll be proven right when math votes me and scum don't pile on
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Post Post #4699 (isolation #546) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:11 pm

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It seems to me that the dream was supposed to be a one-shot power but got overridden and I'm assuming that's because of another scum ability.
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Post Post #4700 (isolation #547) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:12 pm

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In post 4689, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4686, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I don't think Drealmerz voting was Null btw.

Think about it, what would scum do if the dream didn't show up and they were scared that one vote would be the lynch today?

They'd INSTANTLY vote, wouldn't they? and use their scummiest member (drealmerz) to do it, right?
Like, his instant vote read as a "I need to vote before anyone else does and make sure I abuse this dream"
Abuse? What did he gain?
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Post Post #4702 (isolation #548) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:13 pm

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Well, I guess, but wasn't it stated it was going to be a one-shot power and then it went away for some reason? What would that be if not a scum power? So they should have known what it did.
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Post Post #4703 (isolation #549) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:15 pm

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though serra was probably the most likely kill, it's worth noting he seemed like a solid LLD vote today (and was pairing her with dreal).
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Post Post #4709 (isolation #550) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:17 pm

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Oooooh. I'm a moron.

That's quite curious, because I was very clear that I felt we needed to keep any one-shot power dream to avoid hitting a dangerous one.

Does anyone want to own switching their vote?
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Post Post #4711 (isolation #551) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:20 pm

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Not unless today is secretly day 2. It was a one time thing. Otherwise I would've been continuing to analyze my results all game.
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Post Post #4713 (isolation #552) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:20 pm

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day 3* whatever
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Post Post #4718 (isolation #553) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:22 pm

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In post 4712, drealmerz7 wrote:here, want proof that LLD is scum? VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta
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Post Post #4720 (isolation #554) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:24 pm

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In post 4719, hebichan wrote:Scum risks voting first in 7 person lylo?
It's not indicative, IMO.
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Post Post #4722 (isolation #555) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:25 pm

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Exactly.
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Post Post #4726 (isolation #556) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:27 pm

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In post 4723, hebichan wrote:
In post 4720, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4719, hebichan wrote:Scum risks voting first in 7 person lylo?
It's not indicative, IMO.
The problem is, I was already certain this wasn't T v T, just having a hard time sorting it.
Well. We're gonna need everyone on board for the right lynch.

Honestly, catching all scum not bussing today might be our best shot at a win.
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Post Post #4732 (isolation #557) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:30 pm

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In post 4728, MathBlade wrote:Hebi + Cephrir + Me team confirmed clear if Drealmerz LLD both Town.
I mean I don't think anyone needs proof to figure out you and I aren't a team.
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Post Post #4738 (isolation #558) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:33 pm

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In post 4728, MathBlade wrote:Hebi + Cephrir + Me team confirmed clear if Drealmerz LLD both Town.
Also I just want to head this off at the pass before it starts appearing that I'm twisting things to benefit myself, but I don't think teams going straight for a hammer the second they see it is something that always happens in 2017. Especially considering that dreal is online in this situation.
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Post Post #4740 (isolation #559) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:35 pm

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Eh maybe.

I feel like anyone unvotes if they see literally two naked votes back to back. that's just decent play.
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Post Post #4742 (isolation #560) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:35 pm

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please don't do that
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Post Post #4745 (isolation #561) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:39 pm

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Nope.
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Post Post #4747 (isolation #562) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:40 pm

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Just like from a theory perspective it makes no sense to vote anyone but LLD or dreal right now.
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Post Post #4764 (isolation #563) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:10 pm

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In post 4760, drealmerz7 wrote:HAVE YOU READ THE FUCKING GAME?!?!?!?!?
afaict, no
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Post Post #4766 (isolation #564) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:13 pm

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as far as i can tell
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Post Post #4777 (isolation #565) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:00 pm

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In post 4775, drealmerz7 wrote:ceph, can you please handhold me slowly through why sakura/MB can't be scum?
You know I'm actually realizing maybe I don't have as great a reason for this as I thought I did.

Maybe I'll remember something after sleeping on it.

I was gonna say that role isn't ever scum.

But actually it's only proven by Reg saying so?

Still, I don't see how it could be scum without him if I'm recalling that D2 interaction correctly.
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Post Post #4779 (isolation #566) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:03 pm

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I guess I'll look back at some point and see if I can articulate that more sensibly or realize I'm wrong.
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Post Post #4873 (isolation #567) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:40 am

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In post 4791, Regfan wrote:Cephrir, would like this though;

Try and type your read on ever player in two lines per play, completely unfiltered ad unedited first thoughts that come to your mind.
Fair warning this is going to be a stack of waffles because I'm quite unconfident.

TWIE: A few town pings from Syr, then nothing forever. TWIE himself I have no confidence in reading because I've mislynched him for this kind of play before.
hebi: I remember townreading her strongly back D1/D2 when Imperium was offering to die for her, but she's done fuckall since then and her inability to see me as town is driving me up the wall.
dreal: He's a hard read for me and has been all game, because he always feels like he lives on another planet; his priorities don't make sense to me nor do the things he chooses to read into. I've just slotted him as null all game and hoped we wouldn't get here.
LLD: I know she's been busy but god I've just wanted so badly to see a little fire and some believably town play. There have been places where I thought she was bending over backwards to reach the conclusion she wanted to reach wrt her role and scumreads.
Reg: I agree that you were doing some good gamesolving and leading early on but I feel like you should be panicking now and you aren't. Also, why are you still alive? However I'm not going to consider hider-godfathers because that's just so cruel and stupid, so this is off the table right now.
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Post Post #4874 (isolation #568) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:42 am

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In post 4808, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4802, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:MATHBLADE HOLY SHIT IT IS REALLY SIMPLE.

CEPHRIR AND DREALMERZ ARE SCUM. THAT'S 2.

IF YOU AGREE THAT HEBI IS ONLY SCUM WHEN I'M SCUM, THEN THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE WITH 2 SCUM ALREADY, SO THERE'S ANOTHER TOWNIE.

SO ASSUMING I'M TOWN, FROM MY PERSPECITVE, THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE TO LOOK AT. REG AND TWIE
I am with you on Drealmerz I think but Cephrir based on the voting I am not so sure.
but i thought ur vca had me nailed!!!!!

man i just do not get how VOTING is the thing that makes you reconsider and not how MASSIVELY DAMN TOWN I AM
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Post Post #4875 (isolation #569) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:43 am

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In post 4813, drealmerz7 wrote:go read LLD's iso

understand their play through the whole game has been shifty as fuck
you keep saying this but i'm not really sure how you mean that.

but i don't really want you to bother explaining it because i know you will cite things that aren't compelling to me.
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Post Post #4876 (isolation #570) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:51 am

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@reg not liking me reconsidering math

that's fair but i promise i'm actually quite forgetful

also more-than-3p lylo messes with my head as town lately. i tend to stop trusting anyone, start assuming we've lost and just want to not be the one whose fault it is
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Post Post #4887 (isolation #571) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:10 am

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:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :dead: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :dead: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Post Post #4889 (isolation #572) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:20 am

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Reg I know it's borderline impossible but if you can't convince math this is over.

There's nothing I can do.

I am forced to assume you're town at this point.
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Post Post #4890 (isolation #573) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:21 am

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I really want to know where in the hell town was supposed to get the slightest chance from.
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Post Post #4891 (isolation #574) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:22 am

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Could it still be 3 scum? I can't figure how anything else makes sense
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Post Post #4892 (isolation #575) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:22 am

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total*
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Post Post #4893 (isolation #576) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:42 am

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Post Post #4895 (isolation #577) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:03 am

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I'm not sure.

I don't make a habit of guessing whole teams at once.
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Post Post #4899 (isolation #578) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:42 am

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In post 4897, hebichan wrote:Cephrir... how am I supposed to townread you...

That would make the scum team lld/regfan/drealmerz or lld/TWIE/drealmerz or reg/TWIE/drealmerz from my perspective.

That's a weird mix.
*shrugs*

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Post Post #4902 (isolation #579) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:44 am

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In post 4896, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4895, Cephrir wrote:I'm not sure.

I don't make a habit of guessing whole teams at once.
Assume LLD is town >> Hebichan town

Then too many Town for your case.

So if LLD is scum then Drealmerz is town or Drealmerz is bussing.

Do you townread Drealmerz?
I am unconfident. I don't townread him at all independently of the game state, but I do have to admit that it seems like a crappy bus, so that's the best point in his favor.
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Post Post #4904 (isolation #580) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:04 am

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I'm probably going to vote LLD today, even though I know you don't want to and therefore I might be blowing it regardless of the facts. :/
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Post Post #4907 (isolation #581) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:21 am

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Well, I know that you think dreal is scum, so if he's not we're probably hosed
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Post Post #4925 (isolation #582) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:57 am

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In post 4915, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Cephrir is trying to act demotivated
Why would I do that? And what reason can you offer for it other than already claiming I'm scum?
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Post Post #4927 (isolation #583) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:58 am

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I just want math to read the game.

I really feel like that's the only thing that can help and we're just spinning our wheels until they have time to do that
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Post Post #4929 (isolation #584) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:01 am

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i mean the rl excuses were probably legit.
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Post Post #4971 (isolation #585) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:24 pm

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In post 4964, TheWayItEnds wrote:because it doesnt make any fucking sense.
my only answer to that is maybe it's not lylo

i've been thinking it's not unreasonable to suspect that it's only ever lylo here if lld is town.
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Post Post #4972 (isolation #586) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:25 pm

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but if lld is town and it's lylo then fmpov it's dreal/twie/math??? and that sounds pretty wrong
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Post Post #4974 (isolation #587) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:26 pm

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so i guess what i'm thinking is it's only 2 scum and lld is still one of them.

maybe.
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Post Post #4976 (isolation #588) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:26 pm

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In post 4973, TheWayItEnds wrote:global rb doesnt make any sense either though either to shut down dreams that can be negative utility.

like what the fuck.
yeah: who the fuck was that supposed to block?
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Post Post #4980 (isolation #589) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:27 pm

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@mods: does this game use NAR?
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Post Post #4981 (isolation #590) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:28 pm

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Also regardless of the answer to the above can you tell me how hiders and roleblocks would interact in this game?
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Post Post #4983 (isolation #591) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:31 pm

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we're assuming smith's role is just negative utility right
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Post Post #4986 (isolation #592) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:32 pm

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maybe he explains one of the missing day 2 dream votes, but then why didn't he say so?
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Post Post #4990 (isolation #593) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:34 pm

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In post 4988, drealmerz7 wrote:I wish I had more meta on the mod to know if they'd [anything] only to fuck with assumptions
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Post Post #4991 (isolation #594) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:35 pm

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In post 4989, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Math, Hebi, Reg can we just end this and move onto the next day?
before I get an answer to my question? ;)
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Post Post #4995 (isolation #595) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:37 pm

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that's math

i meant the "heavy sleeper" flip

i guess thats just a non dream receptive townie right
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Post Post #4997 (isolation #596) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:37 pm

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which admittedly lines up with lld's concern about not working on dream unreceptive players
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Post Post #5013 (isolation #597) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:47 pm

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In post 4999, hebichan wrote:
In post 4996, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4993, TheWayItEnds wrote:if the only info smith has to work with is "1 shot ability"

"this affects tomorrow"

like... what is that supposed to do.
Who is smith?
MHsmith, who is long dead.

Also Ceph, why arre you townreading TWIE, besides you being scum?
When the hell did I say that I was?

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Post Post #5016 (isolation #598) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:48 pm

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In post 5007, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5005, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 5003, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4998, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4996, MathBlade wrote: Who is smith?
wtf?????????????
Yes. He said smith present tense. Smith is dead why present tense?
???????????

seriously work on your reading comprehension wtf
Smith has to work with. Present tense?
his role, present tense, is something that exists as part of the setup puzzle i'm currently trying to piece together
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Post Post #5018 (isolation #599) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:49 pm

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In post 5002, morph the cat wrote:There is at least one role, ability or dream that manually places itself superior to all other roles or actions.
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