Open 698: Stack the Deck (GAME OVER)

[Mulch]

Hi

I’ll read up by tonight

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

Maybe I’m dumb but can someone explain 27 to me lol

[Mulch]

VOTE: unabombah

[Mulch]

VOTE: gamenburger

@grapes

- why did you have my predecessor as scum early game?

[Mulch]

I voted him because he said that a bad vote was a serious vote without me realizing he was joking

[Mulch]

VOTE: gamenburger

@grapes

- why did you have my predecessor as scum early game?

Gonna need reasons here too.

I think he accepted grapes as town too easily with “your feeding scum”

[Mulch]

There are some other things I want to comment on but I’ll hold off until I get on a computer to make them organized .

[Mulch]

Got it, ty. Alright

[Mulch]

Spoiler: Catch Up

I really like 17 from Assemble. Assemble is bad scum and bad scum are typically afraid to do self meta, so I think this points to them in the town direction. Also not sure how enthusiastic and into the game they would be early as scum (see fferlyt's newbie game with me).

I dislike Riddleton (who it turns out would be Duckworth)'s 36 because I feel like this is something that is a relatively safe and shallow thing to notice; if you go in depth you can sorta follow all of Grape's townreads and how they get to it so while unsubstatiated townreads are usually a problem it dosen't really apply to Grapes here. Which means that Duck could be saying it just to say it.

I think it's weird that I"m somehow already some sort of scumlean in Grape's readlist in 38?

@grapes?

Besides the readlist not a bad post

It's a tiny bit weird that Realeo retracted a town lean just because nobody else agreed with him in 48, but I don't know if it's allignment indicative? Maybe a little scummy because I don't see why he would do that *shrug*

@Realeo

Really disagree with Alch's 51, it was a "valid" OMGUS and defensiveness isn't a scumtell. Unfortuantely can't scumread Alch for it because too many people nowadays have misguided perceptions about this stuff.

Dislike 72 from Icy- Same reason as Riddelton. And I don't get his Alch or Realeo townreads at all, so unless I get a pretty good mindset explanation I think those are decently scummy as well.

@Ice

And again 75 from Chip just completely goes against my current reads right now. Dunno. I've been burned with scumreading over disagreements in the past but how can you think Realeo and Ice is towny?

What do y'all mean in 92, what human error? I'm not following but then again I'm not particularly smart

At 96 I'm probably confident enough at this point to

VOTE: Iceguy

It's not that this is an invalid point that he's pushing, it's that he's pushing a point valid in theory that's not really applicable in practice.

Feels like you want to be 'seen' as being super active. Also makes the game a bit messy to read imo

This portion of Luca's post is really reachy to me.

At least now we can get a little into Iceguy's townread mindset:

Alchemist is town because he seems to be right and earnest about grapes' behavior.

I mean...he's been asking...questions. Not really particualrly towny questions (ones that I marked down as towny to me). I think this could be an example of scum that's trying to force reads and pocket. Not sure.

111 is really bad, I think the logic about Grape being more active here is a stretch and I can't really try and figure how they would think this would be good and solid reasoning to use, and I also dislike their presumption of grape town throughout their posts. Perhaps scum that spewed Grapes town?

And yet again I dislike Ice's post in 122, it's just another easily fakeable post and a very good excuse to unvote after Grape's had been looking more and more town.

Mindmelding with most of Alch's 125, Grape's end was really good especially where they noticied the perspective of Grape's town. While scum might not mind the townread.

In post 98, IceGuy wrote:
You said you want to retract your town lean, that implies you think he's scum now.


Seems pretty ridiculous reasoning to me; feels like he's trying to provoke a scum read that wasn't there.

What does this mean? "Provoke a scum read"

@Lucas

And that's about it I think.

I guess a really rough readslist (it's so early, although it is an open game) would be:

Mulch/Assemble/Grapes
Alch
Comm/ (maybe Chip?)
Iron/Duck/Una
Realeo/Luca
Game
Ice

[Mulch]

Woops forgot votes couden't be in spoilers

VOTE: IceGuy

[Mulch]

It's a tiny bit weird that Realeo retracted a town lean just because nobody else agreed with him in 48, but I don't know if it's allignment indicative? Maybe a little scummy because I don't see why he would do that *shrug* @Realeo

Are you expecting me to respond? I don't see questions?

Yeah, maybe just explain what's goin' through your brain there if you don't mind

[Mulch]

Can you explain why it being an open game affects how early reads can form?

Actually, an open game shoulden't really effect how reads can form. But because of the slow pace, I feel some pressure to generate reads earlier than I might not have otherwise. Maybe in a Mini Normal I wait a couple more hundred posts, but I don't want to like have everything I say outdated relative to the pace

[Mulch]

EBWOP: "I still dislike the amount of reads that grapes got so early in the game"

Why?
I could pretty much follow them all

[Mulch]

Except me

[Mulch]

I’ll probably do more stuff tmrw. Tbh I forgot this game existed lol

[Mulch]

I completely disagree with realeo 170 but I at least can see what he was thinking. No longer scummy for me. Also, apparently Riddle was Duckworth, so he goes into a scumlean cause of that first post

[Side note: you shoulden't allow you to be influenced by the crowd, your mistake is that you are assuming townspeople's reads will actually be right, lol)

[Mulch]

Chip - 174- can you link some games when that has happened

[Mulch]

I can easily follow comm in 188 ,pretty good

[Mulch]

Many of his votes are reactionary and trigger-happy at mild issues and therefore they give me a scumvibe.

Why?

[Mulch]

I have a gut feeling that Chip/Realeo COULD be w/w ending with an unvote on each other, but nothing to back it up.

[Mulch]

Chip - 174- can you link some games when that has happened

Not for philosophy specifically, it was elsewhere. Once it was scum.me. i took a lot of flak for it but ultimately survived.

What i am saying is it is a form of iioa, as i have said a couple of times, and that is so much of a thing that it has an entry in the wiki.

I don't consider it a bad rationale for poking at someone early on a slow d1. I don't see why people are getting excited about it, except that it IS a slow d1.

The vibe i get from Realio is he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, but that isn't AI.

You said every time you've seen this it's been scum tho right- even if it's another site, can you link when you've seen it

[Mulch]

and I simply can't read Mulch

Why?

[Mulch]

A large amount of Ice's reads list are activity based. You like that Chip?

[Mulch]

I don't know. On one hand I can see where he is coming from with each one; on the other hand, it's the sort of shallow, mechanical thinking that scum do a lot, with emphasis on people that are contributing and engaged. Town can be dumb and read people for this but scum can easily fake this too.

[Mulch]

GameNBurger's recent two posts are bad imo. Willing to change wagons to him.

I'm generally not in favor of people who think that talking about the game is scummy.

He then goes on to post fluff and theory.

Town does fluff, scum does fluff- fluff isn't allignment indicative on an invididual post basis, only as a volume read. But I am getting the feeling that he is subtly implying that he should not be scumread for what he is doing/is going to do...

[Mulch]

I feel as if 427 may be coming from someone that has the perspective that Una is town. Specifically, the "your gut could be wrong" line is not something you would usually say to someone that you think is scum; you would say the "gut read" is bullshit. Another red flag is "agreeing" or "understanding" some of the points and yet still continuing to push with the same level of confidence. You have conf biased on Una.

Town can conf bias but I have noticed that scum are much more aware of how this can be perceived and are more likely to do the "well, I do agree with point 1" thing and then

not change the severeity of the read

. I believe the towny reaction is to ease up on the scumread if you can go into their mindset or like a certain post...the scum reaction is to point this out to make it seem like you are considering but not actually consider.

[Mulch]

Begging for town reads is not towny behavior, being useful to town and getting read as town is.

Technically correct in theory, but scumreading someone for "anti-town behavior" instead of "likely to be scum" behavior is not a good look imo.

[Mulch]

Good to see you getting involved, whatever your alignment. Might liven things up a bit.

It's been sort of hard to get into this game. Really boring game lol

[Mulch]

The lurking is roughly NAI for assemble and I liked some of their earlier posts. I would rather not wagon them.

[Mulch]

In the games where I join as replacement, I often get guiltied into changing my reads by more experienced players, because they devalue my logic or reads, but I have turned out to be correct multiple times now (even if I have failed in presenting the cas

Una, after the game, let's talk about this stuff. I can really relate to this post

[Mulch]

I think that if Ice flips scum, Una is relatively spewed town. I don't think they are capable of scum theatre like this

[Mulch]

Mulch, would you mind reading Alch and Luca when you have time?

Sure

[Mulch]

133 has weak reasoning, perhaps in a scummy way

[Mulch]

c) because I find asking for self-meta to be kinda pointless - if he's so aware of his own meta then it's devalued anyway, and if he's scum then again, why would willingly do Town's work for him? I'm not one to willingly supply self-meta myself regardless of alignment, so it would be a bit hypocritical of me to ask such a question.

@Luca

: I think I'm probably missing context for this, but why is this a reason to townread him and what exactly did he do regarding self meta?

[Mulch]

I think that if Ice flips scum, Una is relatively spewed town. I don't think they are capable of scum theatre like this

So vice versa as well?

I believe so

[Mulch]

but it's the reasoning behind it that caught me as a bit strange.

What reasoning? It was a fact...

[Mulch]

I think that Luca's indignation and anger about the ordering of the town read fiasco with Ice is relatively villagery

[Mulch]

GameNBurger's recent two posts are bad imo. Willing to change wagons to him.

YOU and me can start gameNBurger's wagon together!

FOR WORLD PEACE!

VOTE: Gamenburger

[Mulch]

I will give Luca a scum lean. I don't like some of his earlier posts

[Mulch]

Oh yeah Iceguy's "capitalization" reading for Assemble is probably the mindset/rationality that I cannot relate with the most... I genuinely can't see how he could scumread someone for capitalization...

[Mulch]

Alch is a town read... I can follow his thoughts and reads easily although I disagree with some of them... I really like 292 and 378.

[Mulch]

And that's it for tonight folks. The day ends in 2 days, so it is time to consolidate wagons. Game/Ice wagons would be ideal. We should leave time to allow the person run up to claim. A frenetic and frantic deadline scramble won't help anyone.

[Mulch]

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c) because I find asking for self-meta to be kinda pointless - if he's so aware of his own meta then it's devalued anyway, and if he's scum then again, why would willingly do Town's work for him? I'm not one to willingly supply self-meta myself regardless of alignment, so it would be a bit hypocritical of me to ask such a question.

@Luca

: I think I'm probably missing context for this, but why is this a reason to townread him and what exactly did he do regarding self meta?

Yes, you are missing the context. That was in reply to this question:

@Grapes: sorry if I've missed this in your gargantuan posts, but can you please link us to a game where you were town and played in a similar style?

@Luca: Speaking of easy, how come you have accepted Grape

I can't understand... can you explain it better?

[Mulch]

How is "You said you want to retract your town lean, that implies you think he's scum now" a fact?

It's an incorrect interpretation

He isn't putting his opinion on anything, he's just reiterating what retracting a town lean is

[Mulch]

133, first part of 164, 368

From skim on ISO. Must be gone for night though, now

[Mulch]

Why does my behavior strike you specifically as trying to subtly imply I'm town given I havent explicitly or implicitly stated anything that I was doing was town?

You commented on 8 pages of catchup with no substantial thoughts and a large theory post. Which isn't bad in itself... but you said separately, off hand, "people who talk about theory posts are not scummy" or something along those lines.

I dislike that you are focusing on how you subly impled your "not scum" rather than "town". There is no practical difference; your harping on word choice...if you subtly imply that you are not scum...cmon

[Mulch]

So you're saying I should hold my opinion still but then not act on it????

Your "opinion" is that theory posts are NAI....what exactly are you "acting on"? You are trying to act on having NAI posts?

No, I'm not saying you should hold an opinion and then not act on it... it makes no sense for you to "act" on this opinion...

[Mulch]

There's some pretty good stuff in mulch's iso but I wanna dig here a little.

I think that Luca's indignation and anger about the ordering of the town read fiasco with Ice is relatively villagery

I will give Luca a scum lean. I don't like some of his earlier posts

I'm curious what made you wanna go back and look at luca's early game when you thought his recent content seemed villagery.

Can you go more into what you didn't like from his early stuff?

I was asked to by someone ..

[Mulch]

133, first part of 164, 368

From skim on ISO. Must be gone for night though, now

Grapes

[Mulch]

The way I see it, why bother commenting on it if he's not reading it as scummy?

I dislike this point...volume read on a post basis..

@Luca

[Mulch]

And Mulch, are you still scumreading IceGuy?

Yes..

[Mulch]

GameNBurger's catch up is not bad..

[Mulch]

VOTE: IceGuy

[Mulch]

I can see Una flipping both allignments...the main thing against him is his "reaction test" day 1...said by many a scum.

Yet, I don't know if that's something Una would not do. Their post to me asking to move up the reads list was towny...

[Mulch]

Prefer IceGuy. Please.

[Mulch]

1 day, 11 hours, 57 minutes

Is there even time...

[Mulch]

I will most likely be sleeping at EoD...fair warning

[Mulch]

ISO ironstove or Assemblerowts and tell me whether you can form a better read.

Why are you scumreading them if there isn't material to form a good read...




I think this flips scum..

[Mulch]

Mulch, what do you rate the chances of Una-Ice being TvT?

Oh god... probability. 25%?

[Mulch]

Realeo unvoting IceGuy COULD be susp. actually: if he is scum with IceGuy, he might want to keep an appearence of joining the IceGuy-wagon, but wouldn't want to go all the way to a lynch?
Dislike the idea, but it's possible.
Same with Duck: dislike his straight away vote

You couldn't dislike both my unvote and his vote. That is contradiction.

No, the motives could be different.
He would be distancing from IceGuy by joining - you would avoid lynching your buddy by jumping off.
Obviously the two things ARE mutually exclusive, but I'm not making a contradiction.

Why are they mutually exclusive?

[Mulch]

Man I really think ice flips scum

[Mulch]

Need a vote count... Up for the next 3 or so hours

[Mulch]

I'm hammering if he dosen't come before sleep unless someone can confirm they will be around EoD

[Mulch]

If I go to sleep, can one of you confirm you will be online to hammer before deadline?

[Mulch]

Gn

[Mulch]

VOTE: Unabombah


Sorry Una...

[Mulch]

Comm, if Una is scum, some of what you said holds some weight about scum being on the wagon an rushing it in comparison to lynching a scumbuddy Una, but if Una is town scum had equal benefit (if not more) to split the votes between t/t/t wagons. {Una, Ice, Duck}. This is actually one reason I want to resolve Una right now. Also, you forgot Ironstove also was not on the wagon.

Also, at this stage in the game, if you take the assumption that you yourself are town, you can take almost any 5 people in the game and basically make the assumption scum is on it. Let alone if they were in a wagon together.

I like your vigilante idea though and those 5 people aren't exactly beacons of townyness anyway

[Mulch]

I think there are probably 2 scum in Iron/Assemble/Una/Chip/Luca and probably one scum in Realeo/Alchemist/Grapes/Commknight.

[Mulch]

Those points are bad and make me think your scum

[Mulch]

Mulch is probably my top scumpick right now. Not only did he offer to hammer Duckworth but he was strongly pushing IceGuy as the lynch. Unabomber has had a towner tone today and late d1 but his flip would provide a lot of association info.

This is bad for so many reasons.


1) Offering to hammer Duck when it was obvious that he was going to be lynched is not scummy. In fact, I didn't even want the wagon, so the fact that you are trying to say it is scummy that I was

willing to hammer

when I didn't even PUSH it or wasn't even on it in the first place is bogus
2) I pushed IceGuy as a lynch but the entire fucking game pushed Ice or Duck as a lynch. You are signalling me out for wanting someone dead when every single person wanted one of these two dead. Which means nothing I did was anything more scummy than anything anyone else did.
3) You are agreeing with my Unabombah association read yet are scumreading me for voting them.

Welcome to my scum list

[Mulch]

Alch isn't looking quite as good to me today. It was he who got the Duckworth wagon started in earnest late d1. This only matters if Una is scum though. I'm thinking maybe lynch Una and definitely have Mulch in the vig shoot pool.

Did it cross your mind that alch was the one who started the action on una for this thought?

What action?

[Mulch]

VOTE: Chip

This can die

[Mulch]

Chip, your acting totally different than our werewolf game. I think you randed scum, buddy.

[Mulch]

Mulch is probably my top scumpick right now. Not only did he offer to hammer Duckworth but he was strongly pushing IceGuy as the lynch. Unabomber has had a towner tone today and late d1 but his flip would provide a lot of association info.

This is bad for so many reasons.


1) Offering to hammer Duck when it was obvious that he was going to be lynched is not scummy. In fact, I didn't even want the wagon, so the fact that you are trying to say it is scummy that I was

willing to hammer

when I didn't even PUSH it or wasn't even on it in the first place is bogus
2) I pushed IceGuy as a lynch but the entire fucking game pushed Ice or Duck as a lynch. You are signalling me out for wanting someone dead when every single person wanted one of these two dead. Which means nothing I did was anything more scummy than anything anyone else did.
3) You are agreeing with my Unabombah association read yet are scumreading me for voting them.

Welcome to my scum list

tl;dr: OMGUS.

Correct. I am OMGUSing your ass. OMGUS is not scummy. In fact, it often takes a bullshit push on yourself to realize that someone is scumming. If you had pushed me but with reasons I think were reasonable for you to conclude, I would try and convince you that I'm not scum. But these are forced, and therefore likely to come from scum.

[Mulch]

You are signalling me out and creating fake reasoning, and if you want to convince me otherwise you can go through my 3 points and explain why they are wrong

[Mulch]

I think we do need to see Una flip. Intent to hammer.

Any objections from anyone? Speak now or stfu later...Una, any final words in your defence?

Okay, I'll give it a few hours. We've heard from Una a few times, so he has had a chance to mount a defence.

You just fucking scumread me for saying the same thing. This is scum

[Mulch]

I think we do need to see Una flip. Intent to hammer.

Any objections from anyone? Speak now or stfu later...Una, any final words in your defence?

Okay, I'll give it a few hours. We've heard from Una a few times, so he has had a chance to mount a defence.

You just fucking scumread me for saying the same thing. This is scum

What? I scumread you as a reaction test based on you being ready to hammer DW AND being gung ho on the Ice wagon. And your reaction has been pure OMGUS aggression. I hope the vig takes you out tonight.

Reaction test????

[Mulch]

You still haven’t said why my points are bad. It’s not OMGUS it’s your horrible mindset. You can’t disprove them because they are right and you are scum

[Mulch]

Don’t anybody dare fucking hammer. If you do you better give a good fucking reason chip isn’t scum. If chip hammers that’s a scum claim regardless of Una’s allignment

[Mulch]

Tip your hat Mulchy, it's over. Hyperaggressive Mulch = scum.Mulch

Link me town games I’m not aggressive. Or are you just bullshitting?


If I’m scum, prove my points wrong

[Mulch]

You still haven’t said why my points are bad. It’s not OMGUS it’s your horrible mindset. You can’t disprove them because they are right and you are scum

Do i need to spell it out? Obviously yes, I do: R.E.A.C.T.I.O.N.

What’s wrong with the points? Do they not make sense? Or are they perfect points outlining you as scum (spoiler: they are) and you are just ignoring them?

[Mulch]

Mulch is probably my top scumpick right now. Not only did he offer to hammer Duckworth but he was strongly pushing IceGuy as the lynch. Unabomber has had a towner tone today and late d1 but his flip would provide a lot of association info.

This is bad for so many reasons.


1) Offering to hammer Duck when it was obvious that he was going to be lynched is not scummy. In fact, I didn't even want the wagon, so the fact that you are trying to say it is scummy that I was

willing to hammer

when I didn't even PUSH it or wasn't even on it in the first place is bogus
2) I pushed IceGuy as a lynch but the entire fucking game pushed Ice or Duck as a lynch. You are signalling me out for wanting someone dead when every single person wanted one of these two dead. Which means nothing I did was anything more scummy than anything anyone else did.
3) You are agreeing with my Unabombah association read yet are scumreading me for voting them.

Welcome to my scum list

[Mulch]

Ok, I’m 99% sure that chip is scum. Those who have played with me before know I’m right when I say this.

[Mulch]

Mulch, what do you rate the chances of Una-Ice being TvT?

Oh god... probability. 25%?

Ice flipped green. Why are you not on the Una wagon?

Your my highest scum read and pushing it?

[Mulch]

You’ve had one game with me. As scum. Did you care to look at my towngames or did you just extrapolate it to fit your narrative?

[Mulch]

Lmfao

[Mulch]

You’ve had one game with me. As scum. Did you care to look at my towngames or did you just extrapolate it to fit your narrative?

Show me a game where you were lynched as Town and got all hyperaggressive.

Every. One.

[Mulch]

You’ve had one game with me. As scum. Did you care to look at my towngames or did you just extrapolate it to fit your narrative?

Show me a game where you were lynched as Town and got all hyperaggressive.

Every. One.

So, are you saying that

1. You don't get hyperaggressive when attacked as scum, and this is therefore a scumtell for you, or
2. You do get hyperaggressive when attacked as scum?

Neither

[Mulch]

You’ve had one game with me. As scum. Did you care to look at my towngames or did you just extrapolate it to fit your narrative?

Show me a game where you were lynched as Town and got all hyperaggressive.

Every. One.

So, are you saying that

1. You don't get hyperaggressive when attacked as scum, and this is therefore a scumtell for you, or
2. You do get hyperaggressive when attacked as scum?

Neither

So, what's your take on the scum.Mulch meta? You've already said town.Mulch is 100% hyperaggressive when attacked...

I'm not always 100% hyperaggresive when attacked. I am when lynched, though, as you asked. As town sometimes I'm aggresive, sometimes I'm not. As scum sometimes I'm aggresive, sometimes I'm not. You tried to lead me into a trap question; if I answer number one, you will point to Boon's game and say I lie; If I point to number 2, you will say that I am hyperaggresive here and must be scum. The fallacy in your arguement is that it's not a black or white thing. I'm sometimes aggresive, sometimes not.

[Mulch]

After that Boon game, I am more wary of you. That was our first completed game and i have to say i find your usual tone in games does bias me a bit in favour of you being town. Once bitten twice shy and all that. But i did help lynch you eventually.

Yeah, I have godly tone as scum. But this does not excuse those 3 points of bullshit against me

[Mulch]

The fact your saying that it's a reaction test is also scummy.

[Mulch]

The fact your saying that it's a reaction test is also scummy.

Not at all. I was hoping for all the hat tipping, self-voting, ragescreaming antics I've seen from scum.Mulch elsewhere.

I hat tipped because I was policy checked by 3 fucking town power roles in the night and was fucked by mechanics. Not becaause I got pressure on me. There was literally no way for me to get out of it lmao. I'm collected and calm under pressure as scum a lot of the time, sometimes I use appeal to emoition when all else fails. I also do this as town though, so...

[Mulch]

Ok, I’m 99% sure that chip is scum. Those who have played with me before know I’m right when I say this.

You said that to IceGuy.

NO I didn't. I was confident, not this confident. Although, I'm less confident now, I kinda unfortuantely like his last responses

[Mulch]

You said those on the wagon are scummy and those off the wagon are scummy

[Mulch]

NO I didn't. I was confident, not this confident. Although, I'm less confident now, I kinda unfortuantely like his last responses

Let's talk about Assembrelowts, shall we? Do you buy his "testing for reaction"?

Where

[Mulch]

That's a false dichotomy

Why is this become more and more of a misused buzzword???


Dichtonomy: Something that has to be either A or B.

False: When you PRESENT that it has to be either A or B, but could be something in between. Now that I think about it, your "two meta choices" for me was actually a false dichtonomy. Not people saying "you said this person could be scum with someone, is that an accusation that it is"

[Mulch]

Is that an official accusation of "CK is scum with Realeo or Mulch" or just saying it for the sake of saying it?

Let's avoid semantic fight again.

It's neither. That's a false dichotomy. Reread the post. I say it can be either A or B. Obviously that's not an accusation.

It is something to consider.

No, i used the term correctly. The false dichotomy: accusation or just for the sake of it. Third option: neither, just something to consider. You presented the available choicesas A and B but it was C.

That means you are accusing me in a subtle way you know...

[Mulch]

Theoretically if Chip and Una were scum together, do you think they would bus here?

[Mulch]

VOTE: ironstove

I never jumped on the una wagon. Lying in order to justify a scumread, and lying about meta.

[Mulch]

Two flat out blatant lies. I can’t fathom how someone could be town with this.

[Mulch]

You literally said you were going to scumread me if Una flipped scum, because i put resistance. Then you said that you were scum reading me for how quickly I jumped on the una wagon.

LIE.

[Mulch]

You can't change your mind about facts. That's not how facts work. You said I put resistance to the Unah wagon and then said I jumped on it quickly.

[Mulch]

The second lie isn't a lie but a manipulation. You said I'm aggressive as scum which not only is only sometimes true but you never even checked my town games in which I'm also aggressive. You were TRYING to scumread me.. If you really wanted to sort me, you woild have checked my town games

[Mulch]

You jumped on it before you put resistance. Are you really dumb or just twisting my words? I'll give you slack for both the former and the latter.

Why were you prepared to scumread me for both? How can you day I wanted una lynched if I put resistance and vice versa? You made up conditionals which fuck me over no matter what una flips. If they flip town, I jumped on it. If they flip scum, I put resistance.

[Mulch]

How about this, I'll admit to being wrong about meta reading you if you turn out to be town. Because like, that's the only way to falsify my hypothesis.

Cuz we all know even if I was right, you'd be saying exactly what you're saying now so it doesn't really mean much, right? We can at least agree on that.

No

[Mulch]

That's the most scummy thing I've ever seen, your using my lynch now to "justify a hypothesis"

[Mulch]

Your hypothesis was two selective scum games in which I was aggressive, not even reading any more scum games or taking into account my town games. That's a scum meta analysis

[Mulch]

@Mulch, do you agree with my pool of 3 for the vig to shoot into?

Chip/iron/Luca/grapes I thought? Pool of 4?

Dislike the grapes part. Otherwise amazing

[Mulch]

@Mulch, do you agree with my pool of 3 for the vig to shoot into?

Chip/iron/Luca/grapes I thought? Pool of 4?

Dislike the grapes part. Otherwise amazing

Pool of 3 after Una's flip. Luca/grapes is pending on Una's alignment. So the final pool will be of 3.

Which for which allignment?

[Mulch]

Your hypothesis was two selective scum games in which I was aggressive, not even reading any more scum games or taking into account my town games. That's a scum meta analysis

I did read your town games. Read my post again.

Link me to more of your scum games. I spent over 40 min reading thru your isos, plz don't talk like you know anything about me or say what I wrote is a lie you only look like an imbecile by doing so. You have hands and you know how to link proof. If I'm wrong then show me I'm wrong. It's that simple.

Screaming that I'm a little liar and voting me doesn't change my mind a bit but it does make me feel like you're only doing it to make yourself look like a victim and like I'm trying to weave together some elaborate lie to get you lynched.

You mentioned two scum games, and are using appeal to emotion now. And wants to lynch me to test a hypothesis. This is so scum..

[Mulch]

Pool of 3 after Una's flip. Luca/grapes is pending on Una's alignment. So the final pool will be of 3.

Which for which allignment?

grapes if Una = scum.
Luca if Una = town.

I just feel Luca Is objectively scummier than grapes. Why grapes if unah scum, not fighting if just curious.

[Mulch]

BTW when I get on a computer in around 7 hours I'll show the meta games

[Mulch]

Lmfao so you read all my games but just happened to find the two scum games when I was super aggressive?

[Mulch]

"Between" town yet you never mentioned town rofl shush scum

[Mulch]

grapes if Una = scum.
Luca if Una = town.

I just feel Luca Is objectively scummier than grapes. Why grapes if unah scum, not fighting if just curious.

Because if Una is scum, grapes potentially was trying to divert the wagon away from Una D1 and caused the mislynch. If Una was town, there was no reason for him to divert it away from town.

OK . Makes sense

[Mulch]

I think the conclusion here is that commknight is scum.

My conclusion is that your scum

[Mulch]

If you are, can you give me some insight on how you see the game right now?
Also: is it possible for you to see WHY someone might scumread you by association/PoE?
And finally: how highly do you value Alchemists townplay?

Una:


How do I see the game right now? I think Iron has a very high chance to flip scum, and Chip a decently high chance to flip scum. Assemble has a greater than average chance to flip scum, same with you, and same with Luca. Although, considering the way that Iron and Chip have been pushing you, you are probably not be scum if both of them flip scum. I think Alch, Grapes, Comm, Realeo are really towny, and probably don't have more than 1 scum in them. I would say Realeo is my highest townread at this point.


I can see why someone would scumread me, because everyone is always paranoid of me. I'm good scum so people always think I'm scum when I'm town because they want to have the accomplishment of beating someone good at scum. So through that and PoE, yeah I can see. I do not see how someone can scumread me through association because every single person pushed one of the top 2 wagons so there is no validity to scumreading someone for that. ANd I definitely don't see the bullshit reasons Iron and Chip are scumreading me for.

I think Alch is town, but I don't know how much I value his townplay . I don't think I've ever played with him as town?

[Mulch]

Ok I changed my mind again Chip is scum VOTE: Chip

[Mulch]

mulch are you gonna link your games or what

Completely forgot, will try to do tonight and if not tmrw

[Mulch]

How about the vig shoots who he wants. Why are we trying to limit the vigilante? They know themslves to be confirmed scum, and all this stuff is making me paranoid of you comm.

To me:

Scum: Chip, Iron
Semi Scum: Luca, Assemble, Unah


These are my reads.

[Mulch]

I see no town motiviation for post 941

[Mulch]

How about the vig shoots who he wants. Why are we trying to limit the vigilante? They know themslves to be confirmed town, and all this stuff is making me paranoid of you comm.

To me:

Scum: Chip, Iron
Semi Scum: Luca, Assemble, Unah


These are my reads.

EBWOP

[Mulch]

Spoiler: Aggresive town mulch

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Just the ones I found at a first glance. Can also link scum games I"m not aggresive, if you need

[Mulch]

- No intent to claim = scum claim

I've made it a policy to fact-check stuff like this...link me the games you've seen scum do this?

[Mulch]

- No intent to claim = scum claim

I've made it a policy to fact-check stuff like this...link me the games you've seen scum do this?

[Mulch]

Comm I can understand ur answer, however can you link some games maybe? Even on another site?

[Mulch]

So before Chip's 941 were you considering he might be Town? And why are you so quick to vote here instead of questioning his reason behind quoting your 809?

What do you think of Chip's explanation in 952? Seems reasonable to me.

1) Yes 2) I knew his reasoning 3) Agree

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

Want a VC

[Mulch]

Unah, why are you town

[Mulch]

I feel like Una is town, let's lynch Chip Butty or Ironstove

[Mulch]

Although that is a good point idk why you thought me deciding to give an allignment as well as an evaluation of town play-worth was towny

[Mulch]

CommKnight.

In fact i might as well make it official:

VOTE: CommKnight

VOTE: Chip

[Mulch]

Chip do you scumread Realeo?

[Mulch]

Why do people read Chip town?

[Mulch]

Time for a massclaim. Scummy people go first and then popcorn

[Mulch]

Chip goes first , and then popcorn

[Mulch]

VOTE: Comm

[Mulch]

Good game guys

[Mulch]

What were y'all roles

[Mulch]

This was a fun game from scum side. I was reveling in the fact that I got so many null reads day 1 lol