Mini Normal 1952: Dragon's Dance [OVER - PERFECT SCUM WIN]

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Hey licketey cool name.

VOTE: licketeyquickety

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Agreed lol.

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Claiming this early only benefits scum. Helps them narrow the pool of town PRs.

I would HIGHLY recommend NOT claiming your role.

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if you call something a possible reaction test immediately its not gonna work

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played one or two games with acidphoenix. didn't really keep up with that player.

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The question, at this point, should be whether Lalendra was truthful in their claim or whether they are Scum. I think this because I think its improbable that Lalendra was doing a reaction test when that was already brought up. Its the fact that her reaction test would be so ineffective that I don't think its likely she takes that course of action. I mean, they already claimed it so there is no sense in hiding it really.

I will say its prolly very unlikely that all of Uzi, EP and Lalendra are all Scum covering for Lalendra. That would group themselves too close together as having the same opinion which I don't think is either an effective strategy as Scum, nor a probable one.

I don’t think she did one unless I’m misunderstanding. I think she wanted to, had some doubt, then saw Boon’s claim didn’t generate much discussion.

claims generate discussion on day 2 or 3. not in rvs lol.

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VOTE: errantparabola

counter wagons for days

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Me and tacos I don't think have ever seen eye to eye on this site lol.

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1) Fact remains that Tchill is still a fine wagon as someone who has had 7 posts to advance the game but has actually done almost nothing.

2) Havo's 31 is unnecessarily chip-on-shoulder. Unfortunately I couldn't find any scum games from him, so there's really nothing to look into there (and perhaps there wouldn't be anything to look into even if there were scum games to read). But early Havo ISOs in other games have him being pretty personable. Thoughts, Havo?

3) LQ's weird Lalendra analysis is pretty town. Fast look into LQ's normal games (from his very helpful wiki) makes me comfortable with that read.

4) Any pronouns are fine.

Alright it's day one and we're on page 5 I'm not sure what I should be talking about yet. What do you want me to discuss?

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I've just decided to let everyone else get a read on tacos because I swear he's scum every time I play with him then he flips town....every....time.

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alright errant that's some good points. I thought the best play here would be creating 2 wagons for future reads. Not really crazy about day ones seeing how we have the least amount of info and we're really just feeling each other out. My scumhunting usually progresses with the game state. still haven't found a play style i enjoy on day 1.

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I will say i'm opposed to risking a day 1 boonskies mislynch. He's a real asset when he's town i've seen it before.

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VOTE: schadd

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not sure why you decided to put the spotlight on me when there's multiple ppl that still haven't posted? i understand you're analyzing content but it comes off as setting up a huge push.

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VOTE: errant

lol i talked myself back into it.

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Notice how literally nobody voted errant. Seems to me he was using a stretch of a reason to push more momentum on my wagon. I do like his reasoning sure but it's a bit too early for that.

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Licketey quickety is my strongest and only town read atm.

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Because I literally can't read you tacos especially not on page 5 of a game. Why are you concerned with my read on you?

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Never change tacos. The one game I read your as town your gonna be scum lmao.

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Only scummy things I've seen so far is errant pushing me for lack of content when most players were around 5ish posts.

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Only scummy things I've seen so far is errant pushing me for lack of content when most players were around 5ish posts.

Low post count doesn’t mean lack of content.

Do you think Errant is forcing having a strong read on you or something?

I just felt like errant brought up an issue that could lead to a lot of momentum on my wagon that could then be pushed to a Lynch.

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The action isn't scummy it's the timing of it. Pushing someone for lack of content as soon as the game starts? Are you serious? That's why I questioned it because it's a reasonable excuse and the TIMING. Nothing better for scum to find a reasonable excuse to lead a mislynch on someone.

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That's a lot harder to do in later day phases than earlier ones and he pushed that pretty quick.

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Licketey is being pretty transparent. While I don't agree with the pushes it looks like they're coming from town going in the wrong direction

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*vi read intensifies*

You can call me what you want on day 1 but it's good to know I've met another elitist on this site.

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UNVOTE:

OK I've seen enough of errant to feel like he's town for now.

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VOTE: acid phoenix

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Errant or licketey quickety what do you think of acid?

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ok i'd still like to pressure acid a bit more. Voted boon and hasn't really pointed in any other directions.

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as far as scum tending to lurk goes mumble would fall underneath that category

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Only scummy things I've seen so far is errant pushing me for lack of content when most players were around 5ish posts.

Low post count doesn’t mean lack of content.

Do you think Errant is forcing having a strong read on you or something?

I just felt like errant brought up an issue that could lead to a lot of momentum on my wagon that could then be pushed to a Lynch.

The action isn't scummy it's the timing of it. Pushing someone for lack of content as soon as the game starts? Are you serious? That's why I questioned it because it's a reasonable excuse and the TIMING. Nothing better for scum to find a reasonable excuse to lead a mislynch on someone.

I think I kind of get what you’re saying here but I also don’t really see it. Errant doesn’t strike me as the careless type.

I find that there are players who don’t like a prolonged RVS stage or are just eager to get to game solving. Why is pushing for lack of content so early more likely to come from scum than town?

I see much more motivation in that instance from scum rather than town. i believe i had 2 votes on me and errant was already one of them. Errant laid the foundation for some serious momentum. So from that view there wouldn't be much discussion about other players and less stances would have been taken. I haven't played with errant before but since this i've stated a town read on him because his breakdowns make sense and he's looking like he's trying to get multiple reads.

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so far egg, errant and boonskies are players i'd rather not lynch. Uzi has provided a lot of content but it seems to mostly come from the back and forth with LQ. Havo stated he thought LQ was playing too hard and i can kinda see his point but i'd rather push mumble or acid atm.

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not sure what to think of Schadd or thestatusquo atm.

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Town: Egg, Errant
lean town: Havo, LQ
Null: Schadd, thestatusquo, sergtacos
lean scum: Uzi, mumble, lalendra
Scum: acid

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boon is null atm too

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mumble is not really playing the game, though from listening to you guys talk about it that seems pretty normal for them? I'd like them to die if I didn't think LQ were scum.

this is why mumble is suspicious. Only time i played with him he lurked.

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seems like acid is getting little to no traction. who thinks he's town and why?

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VOTE: havo

lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."

then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.

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hasn't havo been pushing LQ as possible scum since the start?

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and day 1 is like shooting fish in a barrel i'll stand by that. literally the least amount of info we'll ever have.

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Mumble is really reacting, to me, like scum that has been found out and is trying to limit the damage by not giving any associative tells. If that's true, then the limited interactions he DID have (like voting havo) give us a decent amount of information. If not, then his death will be in vain because he hasn't helped us do any scum hunting whatsoever, and I'm not going to be very happy.

Haha. I won my only scum game. This is a bad post.

enlighten us on how mumble?

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VOTE: mumble

apparently we're not gonna talk about acid.

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Because I was able to avoid becoming too suspicious and then rode your's, and town's, bad logic (after coming back from a leave) through LyLo. In essence, I can read the game and do what's necessary to avoid unnecessary attention.

What am I doing here?

60 ish posts the whole game bro. nice way to reword that though.

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oh i've said my peace on that issue mumble. you can explain every scum win as "town made a mistake and scum capitalized." i just wanted to be a little more specific. what's wrong with that? anyways your havo vote is whats so scummy. also the fact your cherry picking information.

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also the fact your cherry picking information.

Point out where I cherry picked info. I ISO'd havo, searched me, and posted it. That's not cherrypicking.

talking about your scum win man.

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so LQ shut down boons possible attempt at a reaction test then held his own and came to the conclusion havo was scum? convenient.

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So let's both agree to let that go, and only talk about this game. One game is not meta, man.

yeah i agree. just wanted to let everyone know how you won. not sure why you'd be against that but i won't bring it up anymore it's in the thread now. one game isn't meta but the one game you WON might call for a little more attention right?

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your havo vote is why your scum not the fact your being called out for lurking. then you quickly retract it...

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intentionally difficult? lmao if thats not a copout idk what is.

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i have experience with havo and he's playing like id expect him to as town day 1. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt because i have seen a few instances of newb townies trying too hard too early and making strong reads out of little to nothing. Pretty sure you joined in like 2015 though and your reaction to someone MENTIONING a LQ wagon is laughable. You contradicted yourslef to some degree with the "reaction testing" and it was during a conveniant time that gave you a "reason" to vote havo other than OMGUS. at this point i'm fine with your or mumble's lynch. I'd rather lynch mumble hence my voting being there.

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ok i lean town on TSQ. after an ISO i like why he voted LQ. I'm not crazy about ppl that belittle me and I like to agg them on at some point. He's obviously confident in his own play if he's calling ppl idiots so i'm sure he'll have this game figured out by the next day phase.

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i have experience with havo and he's playing like id expect him to as town day 1. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt because i have seen a few instances of newb townies trying too hard too early and making strong reads out of little to nothing. Pretty sure you joined in like 2015 though and your reaction to someone MENTIONING a LQ wagon is laughable. You contradicted yourslef to some degree with the "reaction testing" and it was during a conveniant time that gave you a "reason" to vote havo other than OMGUS. at this point i'm fine with your or mumble's lynch. I'd rather lynch mumble hence my voting being there.

then fucking put your money where your mouth is and vote me.

I find it odd that your reason for Town reading havo is based on Meta. How many games do you have played with them? You might want to look at my meta if you are going to use meta reads.

What part of "i think mumble is scummier" don't you understand? Do you want me to declare you my strongest TR? will that do enough for you?

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ok i lean town on TSQ. after an ISO i like why he voted LQ. I'm not crazy about ppl that belittle me and I like to agg them on at some point. He's obviously confident in his own play if he's calling ppl idiots so i'm sure he'll have this game figured out by the next day phase.

So you are Town reading someone for being an asshole?

iv'e seen more assholes be town than be scum on this site. I said i liked why he voted you and i'm sure he'll be the greatest town asset i've ever seen on this site.

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LQ... That doesn't line up with your reaction to havo mentioning a wagon on you. You explain there's wagoning for pressure and wagoning to lynch. So if havo mentioned a wagon on you why did you immediately assume that it wasn't to pressure you but to Lynch you?

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UNVOTE: mumble
VOTE: LQ

So all you have to do is give a reads list and you're not scum anymore? Smh.

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Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]

Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.

bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.

I would be up for a Quick lynch.

Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.

Why Boon? He’s v/LA and hardly has posted.

I threw Boon in at the end just to see if someone would try and push him. I have no intention I’ve lynching him after 2 posts and being V/LA. I like that you picked up on it.

This makes me feel even better about havo and uzi as town.

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I'm torn between LQ and mumble.

You said mumble self voting cemented your scum read for him. What is it about LQ that's strong enough to question voting LQ instead of mumble?

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LQ... That doesn't line up with your reaction to havo mentioning a wagon on you. You explain there's wagoning for pressure and wagoning to lynch. So if havo mentioned a wagon on you why did you immediately assume that it wasn't to pressure you but to Lynch you?

Because its based on the idea that there is a difference between a wagon vote and a lynch vote. I don't expect people to understand. Its just really frustrating having this happen all the time.

Didn't answer my question. If you believe there's 2 different types of wagons why did you assume havo wanted a wagon to Lynch you instead of to pressure you?

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I mean the reason I wanted thoughts from errant on acid is because he's guilty of the same thing I was when errant pushed me. Sadly errant is irl busy but that's understandable.

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No when I asked errant his thoughts of you that was before you held the "spew" rally.

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TSQ what do you mean by not having concrete purpose? Are you accusing me of fluff? I don't see why I wouldn't be able to get reads off my own interactions.

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I've poked LQ enough and I'm still not comfortable claiming he's town. I'm the one that's stated mumble could Fall into lurker scum. I've tried to get a little more pressure on acid but that didn't go anywhere. I'm pretty sure havo is town here based off of familiarity. Could be scum but that'll be easier to sort in the later day phases. Egg and errant seem town enough. The exchange between havo and uzi made me feel better about them. So this idea of no concrete thoughts is bogus.

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How is LQ townier than havo atm? LQ has reacted worse to pressure than havo I don't see where that point is coming from.

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How is LQ townier than havo atm? LQ has reacted worse to pressure than havo I don't see where that point is coming from.

How? Like I am not a mind reader. I don't know why you think I reacted poorly to pressure.

Havo mentioned a wagon on you and your blew up. You then fire back and havo scum reads you even more for omgus which makes sense to me. I need EP to explain exactly how havo reacted "badly".

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How is LQ townier than havo atm? LQ has reacted worse to pressure than havo I don't see where that point is coming from.

OK this is a question towards EP and will respond to EP's statement.

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I've poked LQ enough and I'm still not comfortable claiming he's town. I'm the one that's stated mumble could Fall into lurker scum. I've tried to get a little more pressure on acid but that didn't go anywhere. I'm pretty sure havo is town here based off of familiarity. Could be scum but that'll be easier to sort in the later day phases. Egg and errant seem town enough. The exchange between havo and uzi made me feel better about them. So this idea of no concrete thoughts is bogus.

alright TSQ we can figure out why EP seems to be contradicting himself here but i'd like you to answer this at some point.

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so LQ freaks out when havo mentions a wagon and votes havo, mumble then votes havo because havo was mentioned in the midst of the mumble push then mumble votes himself again, Tacos naked votes havo, acid votes havo with little to no explanation and now we have EP all of a sudden stating Havo reacted worse to pressure than mumble or LQ? Anybody see my issue with the havo wagon to be? im pretty curious as to what EP's case will be because LQ, Mumble and acid are all scum reads from my perspective in their own right that voted havo for either no reason or a horrible one.

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ok just call me an idiot and don't explain what i missed. cool.

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VOTE: havo

lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."

then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.

Who said he wanted to quick lynch me after scum reading me based on one game, and then attacks someone for scum reading me..............

Like uber ..........

Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]

Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.

bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.

I would be up for a Quick lynch.

Or Mumbles or Tacos or maybe even Boon.

EP, read your first line of your post on havo. How is that different from my thoughts on mumble?

Mumbles completely shut down as a reaction to pressure. That’s bad.

why did you just say havo was town?

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i don't want to lynch any of:
errant, quick, schadd, lalendra, luv, egg

at the moment

i don't really want to lynch mumble but i'd be happy with him

tchill / boon / serg / havo / tsq are the other people in the game

VOTE: tsq

I find it interesting that you voted TSQ, then TSQ joined the thread and instead of pushing on him, you asked him who he'd like to vote. Then you start pushing on Mumbles.

Was the vote on TSQ just for show?

is this the post you're referring to mumbles?

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i literally just isoed both of you and those are the only 4 posts i could find pertaining to the matter.

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whatever man. anyone can go back and check me in fact i'd appreciate if someone did.

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i think the "too scummy to be scum." argument kinda makes sense but then there's points i don't like. I personally prefer "who's trying to look towny instead of scum hunt." So scum wouldn't attract attention to themselves day 1. Good point. Scum's goal is to ultimately survive but you just admitted at least a little that LQ did act negatively to havo's mention of a wagon so i'm not really digging that point. As town is it not your job to pick apart a "terrible and transparent" case against you? while scum's goal is to ultimately survive... Town's goal is to lynch scum. That being said townies will not lay down and allow themselves to be lynched because that would lead to a towny lynch which is the OPPOSITE goal of town. Do townies give up and let their lynch go through? yeah i've seen it before and too many times. That's called anti town from where i sit. So emotional blow ups aren't the best to help town especially when they come from town EP just said there are scum that take advantage of this. Hasn't there been scum that also take advantage of the "I give up" attitude?

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whatever man. anyone can go back and check me in fact i'd appreciate if someone did.

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Yeah we get two wagons near a Lynch and all of a sudden naked/crappy votes are going on havo.i wonder why.

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I'm glad you took credit for it but the fact remains the havo wagon was growing slowly before you got back. Mumbles is scum and should be lynched. I've tried to debate the guy and let him give me a reason as to why I'm wrong and he won't even respond. There's no reason havo is scum and mumbles isn't at this point.

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Ah day 1's. Where you get close to lynching scum and town talks themselves out if it and into a mislynch. Gotta love them.

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Ok I don't even care what his meta is at this point. One game isn't enough of a sample size I understand that. I'm not gonna sit here and reward his deafeatist attitude and be talked into lynching someone else. I'm not gonna sit here and let one of my only town reads get lynched either especially when we've got such obvscum caught. Look at mumbles scum reads. It's me and havo. Havo being the guy who was mentioned during momentum of the mumbles wagon and me being the guy that's pushing for his lynch. His scum reads are a load of garbage. He hasn't done anything at all to help make sense of why exactly he's town he's just pointed his finger at whoever is pointing at him and yelled "scum! He's scum!!!" Are you kidding me? This is the Lynch we're gonna let get away?

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maybe because they're dumb wagons

Says one of the 3 guys who's pretty much coasted this entire game aka mumble, acid and schadd. You also gave a pretty crappy scum list of me havo and mumble together. Already gives me suspicion that if LQ flips scum you're with him. Seems to me that the mumble counter wagon stalled and scum looked for another Avenue to Lynch anyone not named LQ.

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speaking of solving

quick
luv schadd
errant egg
lalendra
boon tsq serg
havo mumble chill

this readslist made in five seconds and is subject to change at any time

I'd like to know why you'd rather Lynch havo day 1 instead of mumble. Their obviously should be a pretty good reason seeing how we had mumble so close to a Lynch and you went out of your way to pressure havo.

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Lmao at all these ppl that town read mumbles because he self voted and gave up.

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What if we did catch 2 scum say 1? Scum busses mumble instead of LQ because of a role or something and then they find another guy to push a Lynch on. That's what I'm seeing from this day 1 play.

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Vote Count 1.6

Mumble(4)

: Sergtacos, Lalendra, Errantparabola, Tchill13

(L-3)

LicketyQuickety(4)

: Thestatusquo, Egg, Lil Uzi Vert, Havo

(L-3)

Thestatusquo(2)

: schadd_, acidphoenix

Havo(1)

: LicketyQuickety

Nobody(1)

: Boonskiies

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-10-22 15:00:00)

Vote Count 1.7

Mumble(4)

: Lalendra, Errantparabola, Tchill13, Mumble

(L-3)

LicketyQuickety(4)

: Thestatusquo, Egg, Lil Uzi Vert, Havo

(L-3)

Thestatusquo(2)

: schadd_, acidphoenix

Havo(2)

: LicketyQuickety, Sergtacos

Nobody(1)

: Boonskiies

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-10-22 15:00:00)

Lmao it would be taco that switched from the mumble wagon to the havo one. I'm not sure how plausible it is we actually have both wagons on scum. It's not likely especially day 1. Had this been on of my other scum reads I'd be a little more comfortable with this idea but I null on tacos.

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>coasting

tf

also I called

both

wagons dumb

also no a quick lynch is still stupid

it's stupid even before his meta but with meta it's unconscionable

pedit at the time because less conviction, don't remember the context of that post

now because I think mumble is probably town

Youcconveniently all of a sudden think mumble is town and no reason is given. Nice.

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Not scum reading mumbles because he self voted and gave up. I'm scum reading him because he voted havo at the mention of it.

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"Meh" because he's not one of of my scum reads. Boon brings up interesting points on uzi and tacos. So why do you feel uzi is lurking here and not town that's just caught up? While I haven't seen tacos play like this before I'm wondering why you lean towards town tacos due to his change in play style. I'm currently null on tacos and lean town on uzi due to his interaction with havo. So I'm wondering about your input on these slots.

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Just not caught up.

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"Meh" because he's not one of of my scum reads. Boon brings up interesting points on uzi and tacos. So why do you feel uzi is lurking here and not town that's just caught up? While I haven't seen tacos play like this before I'm wondering why you lean towards town tacos due to his change in play style. I'm currently null on tacos and lean town on uzi due to his interaction with havo. So I'm wondering about your input on these slots.

Fake reads are fake.

I wanted boon to answer. Boon has seen little pressure.

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You wanna go bro? You want me to mention I'd like a wagon on you and watch you flip out? Don't make me say it. I swear I will. I wouldn't mind a wagon on...

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i could take chill's reads and flip them but that's cheating

So you're null on uzi and lean town on tacos?

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quick think about thatp ost


then think about it again

I'm the village idiot apparently you're gonna have to be a little more straightforward with me.

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Saying "so and so is scum" or "this fake because it's fake" is actually not an accusation. There's no reasoning behind it. There's no reason for me to engage in that if that's all you're gonna do.

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I don't think tacos would drastically change his style for scum iin such an obvious way. I've never read his slot correctly though and I'm not exactly a fan of him just not posting. I did state I had a null read on him though and you never answered why he was town.

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Yeah you hosted the "spew your alignment" game show. You're definitely doing a lot here acid.

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LQ and mumbles were the leading wagons. We get close to aLynch . Havo wagon gets pushed with crappy votes then the game dies. Yeah that's not questionable at all.

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Saying "so and so is scum" or "this fake because it's fake" is actually not an accusation. There's no reasoning behind it. There's no reason for me to engage in that if that's all you're gonna do.

LQ needs to address this when he gets back.

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Acid needs to actually provide some proof he'contribute ing instead of just saying he is. What are you doing making reads based on your own and not telling anybody about them? Yeah that helps town a lot.

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Mumble needs to get on here and explain why my case istterrible on him instead of just yelling scum.

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i'm not saying boon is town, I'm just saying I like his reads because his reads are great.
LQ, could you respond to the thing that I said right before the line you quoted

Which read of his do you like the most?

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Also EP why is your town read on me stagnating? I'm pretty sure that's how you worded it.

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One thing that has given me a bit of pause on Mumble is he reacted somewhat similar to this in a heated discussion with scum in a game that just ended recently. Boon you remember right?

Uzi could you make the case for town mumbles to all of us instead of just boon?

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Okay, yeah, my opinion hasn't really changed. Mumble doesn't really engage with LQ much at all, aside from a couple of comments about playstyle and strategy; Mumble is notably absent from LQ's readslist in 64, and LQ doesn't even really address Mumble until much later on. Instead he spends a lot of time disagreeing with my points on Mumble without ever really even mentioning him until after post 300, which is weird to me. I'm still not sold on the idea that this isn't distancing. I will need to really wait until one of them (whoever gets lynched D1) flips before I can really make much of this association.

Lalendra are you stating you think mumble,LQ,havo could be the scum team?

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What's odd is the fact that ppl decided to shift the focus to havo instead of Schadd.

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I'm down to Lynch mumbles, LQ, schadd and acid. In order from most wanted Lynch to least but I'd still be happy with.

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VOTE: havo

lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."

then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.

Who said he wanted to quick lynch me after scum reading me based on one game, and then attacks someone for scum reading me..............

Like uber ..........

OK I'll ask it again. Is this your explanation?

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Who did he attack for scum reading you?

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VOTE: havo

lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."

then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.

Who said he wanted to quick lynch me after scum reading me based on one game, and then attacks someone for scum reading me..............

Like uber ..........

Who did I attack for scum reading you?

Are you referring to me "Asking" Acid a question? You know, where he had his vote on TSQ, then TSQ joined the thread and instead of pushing on TSQ, he asked him who he'd like to vote, then he started pushing you. I found it odd that he didn't push TSQ, since his vote was there and brought it up.
That's not attacking Mumble. What LQ did to me, now that's ATTACKING.

This isn't an accurate point to you? This seems like a legitimate question.

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Literally one mention of acid in havos iso. That is NOT an attack.

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Ignoring and disagreeing are 2 different things. Had you not explained it was specifically acid I never would have figured that out because the only thing close to an attack havo did was against LQ. You need to shake off your "I'm screwed" attitude and clear things up if you're town. Confusion doesn't do anything but help scum.

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You're vote on havo is a stretch and very weak and you're still scum.

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AFTER YOU CLEARED UP THE FACT IT WAS ACID. Iso havo and tell me how many times hementiones acid.

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And so are you.

You're still voting me, right?

"hey man you're scum As long as you're voting me. Just letting everyone know I'm OMGUSING you."

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So havo asked acid a question and mumble voted him. Havo mentioned a wagon on LQ and LQ voted him. All the other votes on havo have been naked I'm pretty sure. Nice looking push we got going here.

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Within a minute...Lots of research you had to do there guy.

Mumble states it's acid not LQ that havo "attacked"
I proceed to look through havos iso at the mention of acid and I find one.
I post it but I was too quick in doing so and I'm scum now.
Lmao.

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No, you were scum before. Keep misrepping.

No I'm just keeping up with how many week reasons you're gonna find to call me scum.

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I proceed to look through havos iso at the mention of acid and I find one.

There's also 24 (or 9 dependent on how specific you were; "acid" is 24) its for the word. FYI.

Literally just scrolled through his iso and looked for the mention of havo...then I found one...then I posted it?

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VOTE: havo

lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."

then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.

Who said he wanted to quick lynch me after scum reading me based on one game, and then attacks someone for scum reading me..............

Like uber ..........

Who did I attack for scum reading you?

Are you referring to me "Asking" Acid a question? You know, where he had his vote on TSQ, then TSQ joined the thread and instead of pushing on TSQ, he asked him who he'd like to vote, then he started pushing you. I found it odd that he didn't push TSQ, since his vote was there and brought it up.
That's not attacking Mumble. What LQ did to me, now that's ATTACKING.

This reasoning makes sensemumble . That's the problem.

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Didn't even ctrl+f...yeah, I definitely don't believe you then.

Hey guys you can't play on mobile computer is the ONLY way to play.

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Tchill is faster than a computer!

Crazy what happens when you put a little effort into things. Ik you're not used to that.

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Now mumble is disputing search methods. Once again another week argument.

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Within a minute...Lots of research you had to do there guy.

Hey buddy if you look at the time of post (since that's so important) it's 2 minutes. Guess I'm not faster than acomputer .

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I think you are being disingenuous, and that you saw that post from Havo before calling me out. Yes.

I think you're so determined to call me scum you're looking at time of posts for proof.

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the tchill ones aren't yes

the mumble ones are the futility of trying to get him to spew himself

also i removed you in the uzi one because uzi had ~recently stated a scumread on you iirc

Hey guys I tried to get mumbles to spew his alignment.I did athing . I'm conftown now right? Because I'm definitely doing things. Because I said I was.

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VOTE: havo

lmao i thought the mumble wagon was lame because lynching lurkers on day 1 doesn't really give any info because nobody has to really take a hard stance there and its kinda just "lets lynch him just to lynch him."

then he voted havo. smh. mumble got a little attention then votes the next guy that gets brought up.

Who said he wanted to quick lynch me after scum reading me based on one game, and then attacks someone for scum reading me..............

Like uber ..........

Who did I attack for scum reading you?

Are you referring to me "Asking" Acid a question? You know, where he had his vote on TSQ, then TSQ joined the thread and instead of pushing on TSQ, he asked him who he'd like to vote, then he started pushing you. I found it odd that he didn't push TSQ, since his vote was there and brought it up.
That's not attacking Mumble. What LQ did to me, now that's ATTACKING.

This reasoning makes sensemumble . That's the problem.

Instead of arguing about why this does or doesn't make sense from havos point of view let's argue about time of posts.

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Then what's your point about why you voted havo? There's no good reason if you think his question to acid makes sense.

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Ok rn mumble is L-2

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Then what's your point about why you voted havo? There's no good reason if you think his question to acid makes sense.

Holy shit, you infuriate me with you inability to comprehend!

I voted Havo because, at the time, he wanted to quicklynch me despite a null read based on our prior game together, and me

thinking

that he was attacking acid. How many fucking times have I said this?

Time progresses, things clear up, and I see that I was wrong. Havo still wanted to quicklynch me despite a null read based on our prior game together; but, I can see that he was not attacking acid. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE REASON WHY I VOTED HIM!

So you voted havo because he said he wouldn't mind a quick lynch because of a 1 game read. NOT because he asked acid a question? You need to make things more clear mumbles.

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Yes. You emphasize his quick lynch statement based off one game is why you voted him.

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Impressed with your counting ability. You're making progress.

I come with a calculator too.

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You either

Voted havo because he asked acid a question

Voted havo because he said he wouldn't mind a quick lynch based on your play in one game.

You're not wanting to clear this up.

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You either

Voted havo because he asked acid a question

Voted havo because he said he wouldn't mind a quick lynch based on your play in one game.

You're not wanting to clear this up.

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i was just poking people with a question to engage in conversation and get the game going again.

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My read on taco makes no sense because it's a read based on familiarity with tacos. We've played together a lot and i've had a history of misreading him so i'm not gonna try to day 1 at least.

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 think Havo is town now because he's voting me upon request.

So true, scum never bus when a buddy is irredeemably fucked. Much town, such wow

Okay, yeah, my opinion hasn't really changed. Mumble doesn't really engage with LQ much at all, aside from a couple of comments about playstyle and strategy; Mumble is notably absent from LQ's readslist in 64, and LQ doesn't even really address Mumble until much later on. Instead he spends a lot of time disagreeing with my points on Mumble without ever really even mentioning him until after post 300, which is weird to me. I'm still not sold on the idea that this isn't distancing. I will need to really wait until one of them (whoever gets lynched D1) flips before I can really make much of this association.

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lalendra's posts here seem to imply she thinks havo, mumble, LQ is the scum team and that's why i was asking.

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"Meh" because he's not one of of my scum reads. Boon brings up interesting points on uzi and tacos. So why do you feel uzi is lurking here and not town that's just caught up? While I haven't seen tacos play like this before I'm wondering why you lean towards town tacos due to his change in play style. I'm currently null on tacos and lean town on uzi due to his interaction with havo. So I'm wondering about your input on these slots.

Fake reads are fake.

I wanted boon to answer. Boon has seen little pressure.

oh ok you got it figured out then. i'm sorry i thought you were asking because you didn't know. next question.

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My tacos read is not fake. It's null. You just point and say it's fake yet you give no reason. No reasoning means you'll get no reaction from me.

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the "meh" comment was in response to LQ. the rest of the statement was made towards Boon. I was more interested in how boonskies came to a conclusion on tacos and that's why i asked the way i did.

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yeah i scum read tacos every time i play with him. i scum read him now lol. but im not lynching tacos every game because i dont agree with his play style. thats dumb. thats why i said other ppl can sort him.

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yeah i scum read tacos every time i play with him. i scum read him now lol. but im not lynching tacos every game because i dont agree with his play style. thats dumb. thats why i said other ppl can sort him.

He's NULL for me because if he wasn't he'd be SCUM read by me EVERY game. That's as easy as I can put it.

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VOTE: Chill

There are too many people who are not really that active. Toco, Egg, Schadd, and Lalendra need to post more.

Once again... Can you please give some reason and justification behind your finger pointing?

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Ok LQ ok. You've made me do it. I wouldn't mind a wagon on LQ.

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Oo sweet schadd posted and gave some content.... Seems decent, seems decent... Oh? Oh no helock Towned acid?schadd did you see where I said I was doing things too? Am I lock town too?

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Also we're gonna need you to vote mumble. Ty ty.

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Why is he town? What has he done to Lynch scum?

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Tired of ppl not giving any reason to their statements.

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Looking to slide in and get some town cred for not wanting to Lynch someone after you've lurked the whole day phase?

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No mumbles is scum. I don't see why you're not ok with that Lynch though you just stated he hasn't been very transparent when it comes to scum hunting. You think he's town but don't really state why and for whatever reason when someone say I don't want to Lynch so and so they get town cred for not wanting a lynch. Especially day 1. Funny you'd ask that question though because I've made it very clear I think he's scum. Either you haven't been reading or maybe you know he's town since your scum?

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so what if carca doesn't come back in like a week? what happens then?

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I've made it very clear how I've felt about the game state and I'm fine with shutting down my day 1 play until we get a fix on the mod situation.

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just posting to note the arrival of Nexus. I'd also like to point out mumble was ok with voting himself until it actually mattered. I'd still like Mumble lynched he is scum.

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Mumble and LQ both wanted tacos lynched. Guess we don't have to worry about that now.

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I’m known for claiming like 5 different times as town. I’m THE reaction test player on site. I believe every post matters.

I’m also VLA until Friday, it I’ll likely be posting occasionally within that.

THE reaction test player. Why would the result make you think you're loyal? A loyal role should either get no result or get a result.

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because maybe it's not BS. maybe there's a jk or a RB or a commuter or a miller. Maybe this is a reaction test and he's looking for a certain answer from me and i don't necessarily like that. i've seen him do it before. With ppl like that i usually don't like giving them any answer at all because obviously they just want a reaction that can be construed in anyway to benefit whatever the reaction tester wants to push. thats how most "reaction test" go on this site.

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So I got some sort of result on Tchill. Good chance I’m loyal.

I need you to claim, buddy. :/

You don't think you would have been told if you're Loyal?

Looking way too into that right now.

had to wait for me to ask that huh?

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oh of course it is. gotcha.

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i'm a miller bro. not commuter or ascetic.

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nope. i'm a miller.

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who we poking here first boon? I suggest LQ.

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VOTE: licketey quickety

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LQ determined to call me scum? So... So surprising.

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yeah if you hard claim miller that means there's one conftown and i'm the 1st NK. i'm not playing to be the first NK. I'm playing to lynch scum and i can't do that if i get NK'd. I honestly didn't think it'd be an issue i was attempting to play in a manner where i wouldn't get investigated. I did all i could short of hard claiming and providing scum with their first NK target.

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see what i mean? immediately put up as a vig shot candidate. Just because i get a miller role doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to play the game after day 1.

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umm?

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lmao

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ok so what's the case for havo being scummier than LQ at the moment?

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well

you see

I don't think quick is scummy at all

and would probably lynch him literally second to last atm

there might be one person scummier than LQ...

VOTE: schadd

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scum pool rn is: Schadd, LQ, Uzi and acid in that order. Still not sure of what to think of boon. havo is about the only guy i feel good to call town atm based on familiarity. It's not as strong a feeling as i would like but hopefully it get's stronger as the day goes on.

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only reason i don't want to call egg obv town is because i feel like he's the only one making an effort to LOOK towny in this game.

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FUCKING LYNCH HIM!!!!!

You're one to talk, buddy.

Whats that supposed to mean?

Anyway, people have had plenty of time.

VOTE: mumble

rest in pepperonis.

whether or not mumble flipped town mumble was scummy af. TSQ at least hammered him so i give him a little credit there. Yeah ik he flipped town but i was near certain Mumble was scum. Anyways i feel as good about TSQ as i do Boon which is not much at all. Hard nulls on these two.

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to be clear i definately want more info on TSQ and Schadd before the end of the day.

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i mean

based on the one game i had with quick i honestly feel i could tell 99+% of the time if he wasn't that

mostly, quick in that game was the most sure townread i've ever had and i got the impression that that was how he played most games

including, so far, here

I thought lickety said he was scum in that game. Well, if not, you have no way of knowing if he as scum is good at playing to his town meta or not. With one game, yeah you have some basis and something to go by. But your level of confidence in meta reading someone you've played one game with just makes no sense.

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Havo, based on what you said about him I don't see why you have boon as a null read and not at least a slight scum read. Also, do you think that lickety and shea (thestatusquo) could be scum together? I found it interesting that they are your top two scum reads.

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Lalendra, it's in quotes because it was your word, not mine. And your answer to that question is fine. But I think you have a different definition for pro town than the one I'm used to but if you are saying havo is trying too hard to look town, that would make sense as a reason why someone could be scum. But where is havo doing that?

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I forgot to vote lickety in my last post

Vote Licketyquickety

egg just seems like he's not giving as much info as he's putting on (with the big post lol). he only has 18 posts. Seems to go with the flow and hasn't really pushed anything hard on his own imo.

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didn't mean to quote that. i was gonna quote a few posts but i didn't want to make a wall.

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scum pool rn is: Schadd, LQ, Uzi and acid in that order. Still not sure of what to think of boon. havo is about the only guy i feel good to call town atm based on familiarity. It's not as strong a feeling as i would like but hopefully it get's stronger as the day goes on.

ew that lynchpool

explain why my lynch pool is gross.

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it's not like you and LQ are clear town. Shit poster who hasn't done jack shit needs to play in stead of sliding on by because shit posters who don't do jack shit can be either alignment. that's exactly why ppl have started plkaying in such a terrible manner because more ofthen than not everyone looks the other way. i'm not suggesting a PL but he can't be in lylo if he keeps this up.

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I’m not just looking for an answer, though. I 100% targeted you and have a potential guilty.

if i don't claim at this point it eventually becomes a "lynch boon or tchill" situation and there are people i think are more likely to be scum than boonskies atm.

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Uzi does seem to be skating by not doing much. He voted for me and never gave a reason. That is Scummy in my book.

Moar pressure on Uzi Plz.

this is ok but i don't believe you can push uzi for skating by more than you can push schadd for it.

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which would mean uzi is continually skating by while even though schadd hasn't posted much it's not like schadd is making a consistent effort to skate by.

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VOTE: lil uzi

i can get behind an uzi wagon based on that train of thought.

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So I made that "case" on uzi and it just kinda got ignored by acid... I thought that was what you were referring to acid. A consistent effort to skate by.

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I think it's obvious WHY you voted for him. Not crazy about you not providing too much info and just pushing the 2nd biggest wagon on day one though. That's a very easy stance to take. Do you have any strong town or scum reads other than LQ?

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The Lynch is going to be between me an Uzi today. Is that ok with everyone?

I'd still like more info on TSQ and schadd before you decide who our 2 options are gonna be. We can't let slots showing little to no information just slide by.

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Acid claims to not be lurking, take that for what you will, but he's in my Lynch pool.

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So I went on to LQ without scum reading him, because it was obvious that after how Tchill was, that there would be some fight against that, the wagon that emerged from that, was LUV, which is more likely to be town than scum because people sitting around will generally take the side that’s building rather than the one that’s established, because it’s less scummy on paper.

it looked like you didn't give a shit about what luv actually did just looked at the cases and opposed them

Pretty much this, actually. I agree with this. I don't care what Luv does, did, or will do. He's town. Solved.

lol what is this? "i dont care what anyone things and i dont have a lot of good reasoning to back this but luv is town" thats dumb.

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Also, he's doing the thing I do as scum, where I argue that I'm technically right in situations, and you grasp onto that.

So, as town, break that and push that away. Mulch should have done that to me in Why's game.

But yeah, Acid like conf scum. Vigilante can shoot me if I'm wrong.


Or lynch me, and vigilante shoot Acid, lynch acid for sure if he lives.

terrible idea btw.

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I'm not crazy about LQ, but I doubt he and Acid are scum partners as much as Acid has been hard TRing him.

I wanted to see LQ's reaction to my joining his push on UZi.

I think its fucked up that you hold so strongly to LAL, but you are OK to do the same. Like, you voted Uzi without thinking he was Scum IIRC. That seems like a kind of lie because reasoning was associated with the vote.

a "kind of lie". imagine if you didn't have to stretch that because everyone played LAL. it'd be nice.

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Boon deserves our scrutiny for no other reason needed than the type of player he is. Let that sink in.

you suggesting we pressure or lynch him for play style alone?

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basically recap is... Incriminating evidence against acid. haven't seen a great reason to drop my SR on luv but i have more strength in my SR on acid and honestly either lynch is fine atm after we get more info from TSQ and Schadd. Paranoid about Boon's replace out replace in being AtE. Honestly can't remember my 3rd degree boon burn but i'm sure it happened lol.

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Who are the players making waves to you Acid and why?

Extending this to Havo as well.

Acid is my biggest scum lean
I'm not crazy about LQ but I'm on the fence with him
Schadd isn't active enough to get a read
TSQ is still on my radar also but not as strong as early game.

why not as strong as early game? i'm struggling to get any read at all on TSQ.

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Boon deserves our scrutiny for no other reason needed than the type of player he is. Let that sink in.

you suggesting we pressure or lynch him for play style alone?

disregard this i saw the explanation.

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pretty sure Schadd is active and ignoring this game.

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VOTE: acid

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let's not lynch me, boon, chill, or quick

nevermind was going to reread but gamestate makes it unnecessary >_>

repeat:
quick still flips town 99.99%
uzi is probably never boons partner and has good town equity anyway
lalendra just towny
chill miller claim is probably a town claim but otherwise he's in the not townie pile
schadd townieish but also he only has 20 posts
havo/egg go here
tsq very very much not townie
boon not townie and gamestate(read: the fact that if he is in fact town he has ceased trying to actually figure out my alignment, despite a logic-based case where all of his reasons, except the one he didnt know about and the one he said I can't call what it is, are godawful, and the entire rest of the game, except tsq and quick, is essentially going "oh hey I never liked acid and I see a person going confidently after him! without actually giving a shit about the actual case)

first of all... Why should we not lynch me other than my claim? Is that the only reason you said i shouldn't be lynched in your first post? seemed to me you thought i was townie but apparently that changed without reason. Just like your mumbles read.

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as for egg's question i'll have to go back and look at who in particular pushed havo rather than Mumble or LQ.

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For me it was a combo. Like I said, I found his behavior scummy and wanted to lynch him for that, but by about halfway through I started to not care if he was scum and wanted to lynch him for his anti-town attitude and play. The fact that he openly stated that he would only be detrimental to town if he lived didn't help. So my stance on the issue evolved as the day went on.

so egg pointed out 2 dead townies were on the mumbles wagon when i quoted it. Not counting those players it's just me and Lalendra. Not sure if this is just random timing for Lalendra to post this right before egg pointed that out but i'm not crazy about lalendra stating her vote was half PL/ half scum vibes.

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nevermind was going to reread but gamestate makes it unnecessary >_>

repeat:
quick still flips town 99.99%
uzi is probably never boons partner and has good town equity anyway
lalendra just towny
chill miller claim is probably a town claim but otherwise he's in the not townie pile
schadd townieish but also he only has 20 posts
havo/egg go here
tsq very very much not townie
boon not townie and gamestate(read: the fact that if he is in fact town he has ceased trying to actually figure out my alignment, despite a logic-based case where all of his reasons, except the one he didnt know about and the one he said I can't call what it is, are godawful, and the entire rest of the game, except tsq and quick, is essentially going "oh hey I never liked acid and I see a person going confidently after him! without actually giving a shit about the actual case)

You also state TSQ isn't townie at all then use him as one of the only ppl reacting properly from your pov?

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So do you want to react to any of my questions or?

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nevermind was going to reread but gamestate makes it unnecessary >_>

repeat:
quick still flips town 99.99%
uzi is probably never boons partner and has good town equity anyway
lalendra just towny
chill miller claim is probably a town claim but otherwise he's in the not townie pile
schadd townieish but also he only has 20 posts
havo/egg go here
tsq very very much not townie
boon not townie and gamestate(read: the fact that if he is in fact town he has ceased trying to actually figure out my alignment, despite a logic-based case where all of his reasons, except the one he didnt know about and the one he said I can't call what it is, are godawful, and the entire rest of the game, except tsq and quick, is essentially going "oh hey I never liked acid and I see a person going confidently after him! without actually giving a shit about the actual case)

You also state TSQ isn't townie at all then use him as one of the only ppl reacting properly from your pov?

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so i definitely want schadd to participate more. Not cool with him sliding through as the day phases go on but i like my acid vote.

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I'm still leaning town on lalendra. While her method of getting to her reads maybe questionable her actual reads are in the same ball park as mine. Egg seems to be putting a lot of pressure on lalendra without actually voting her.