LoL eSports Discussion

[PJ.]

IMMORT4LS.

4 Ls

Get it?

[PJ.]

Quickshot is the fucking best.

[Voidedmafia]

IMMORT4LS.

4 Ls

Get it?

Ah.

Also, yes he is. Riot have a gem of a caster in him.

But still, the G2 curtain falls once again. At least they went out swinging unlike 2016.

[PJ.]

It's not fallen unless fb lose to rng, right?

[PJ.]

Zor, why is Vayne not meta?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Too short of range for the big teamfights and not good at taking towers

[SleepyKrew]

it's nice to have a non-korean team be for real
god I hope rng are really for real and not fake for real

[BROseidon]

RNG feel like they're in the SKT tier of "could upset LZ but LZ are still a step above."

Like LZ are the clear favorites, with SKT, RNG, and maybe TSM and/or WE being good enough where the upset would be within the realm of possibility (TSM and WE comes down to how they look week 2). Id probably rate it LZ>RNG>SKT>WE>TSM right now, but how well SKT, WE, and TSM come out w2 (in which I would expect SKT to crisp up and TSM to collapse, based on historical precedent)

[BROseidon]

Although if Fnatic week-over-week improvement continues at this rate they should win the whole thing, but that's more a function of how bad their week 1 was than them actually showing they are real contenders

[SensFan]

I still think TSM is clearly the best team in their group, and definitely better than WE. I also don't really think it's fair to say historical precedent has them collapsing when historically they've been in absurdly stacked groups. No one is accusing G2 of choking or collapsing, for example.

[Voidedmafia]

I still think TSM is clearly the best team in their group, and definitely better than WE. I also don't really think it's fair to say historical precedent has them collapsing when historically they've been in absurdly stacked groups. No one is accusing G2 of choking or collapsing, for example.

I suppose that's fair, considering what some of their main opposition was.

2013: OMG, SKT (the two eventual winners of the group)
2014: At-the-time SHRC, SK and TPA (which was also a group they should've and did win out in, beside one stupid-ass late-game loss to SK)
2015: Origen and KT (and LGD but they really petered out at Worlds so idk if you could really call them part of a stacked group
2016: SSG, RNG and Splyce.

Yeah, for every year except 2014 and this one they've been in a group where it's either a Korea/China combo, a Korea/EU powerhouse combo (both OG and Fnatic were the two big favorites from EU in 2015), or a strong China team with weaker teams from EU and LMS (or I think still just the GPL in 2014, but I could be wrong there). I suppose it's still arguable whether or not this year's group falls into the last category, but we'll know for sure once W2 is over and how well Misfits do.

EDIT: G2 collapsed hard last year. They at least posted a strong win against RNG this year and a tough-ish loss to SSG (I mean, I feel like the last half hour of that game was G2 losing inch by inch plus a draft that kinda needed them to be more ahead/less behind than they were, but damn did they fight for every step), plus a presumed 2-0 against the wildcard team (I'm assuming they beat FB again; I had to go to bed before the FB v. RNG game because of work this morning. Plan to finish watching today.)

[zoraster]

I think G2 could have potentially advanced out of any other group. They looked pretty good for most of it, really.

[SensFan]

I meant this year for G2. That's the same group TSM had, who also convincingly beat the group winner and threw another game against them. And the narrative I've seen is totally different.

p-edit: That's also true for TSM last year. They were legitimately a top5ish team in the World, but ended in a group with runner-up SSG and an upstart RNG that was also a stylistic mismatch.

[zoraster]

that's because a pretty solid contingent of TSM fans are pretty awful

[Cabd]

that's because a pretty solid contingent of LOL fans are pretty awful

FTFY

[PJ.]

Lol @ voided being like HALF THEIR GROUPS WERE STACKED OH NO. And btw, they weren't. 2015 is a failure. EU powerhouse isn't a thing. They drew the 3rd best Korean team, the 2nd best EU team and china. That's not that bad, not for a team with the aspirations that TSM has every year.

Also the difference between G2 and TSM were expectations, and I feel saying the group is stacked in 2016 is a bit of revisionist history. TSM was pegged as a Semi Final team. They dominated everything all year, had the revamped roster, drew the 3rd best EU and Korean teams and the 2nd best Chinese team. G2, yeah got the same draw, but because of their failure last year no one was really expecting them to make a decent showing, so stealing one from Uzi after what we saw last week IS a success. Also, it matters that the world finally caught on that Uzi always chokes in China finals.

One more thing, G2 was absolutely revered as choke artists last year. They got more hate than TSM especially cause EU bombed out entirely and G2 had a group with CLG and a wild card team.

[BROseidon]

I think G2 could have potentially advanced out of any other group. They looked pretty good for most of it, really.

Yeah G2 advance out if the draw any of the non-korean/non-RNG teams in the 2nd seed group, most likely.

[BROseidon]

And this is why expectation setting is important in life.

[zoraster]

Is it possible we will get through groups with Kalista being banned every game? Seems like someone will try to let it through in bo5 but groups seems possible

[Voidedmafia]

TSM 2-0ing WE gives us the absolute best chances of getting out.

At least this first game won't be censered.

P-EDIT: Probably? Although, IIRC the good Kalista players are in A and D, I think. Not sure about about though.

[Voidedmafia]

Damn, where was this FW yesterday after that loss to TSM?

EDIT: Nvm. Still, it does mean that if TSM beats WE the literal only ways they don't make it is losing a 3-way tie in two scenarios, and losing to FW in the other. That's it. WE have to hope for that or things get a lot harder.

Funnily enough, the three win-out scanarios where TSM only beats WE has Misfits be the other winner.

[Voidedmafia]

I was so close to cringing super-hard if they picked Leblanc into WE, but I'm glad he didn't. Same with Azir.

Still, TSM is playing to the lategame while WE is more early-mid. I feel alright about both drafts, I guess.

[Voidedmafia]

There goes NA. It's just gonna be C9 again, most likely.

Why the fuck aren't TSM doing anything early?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Idk, but I feel like TSM cling too much on what worked for them last week as opposed to WE trying to innovate to beat what worked last week. And I always feel that NA feels too comfortable after they perform okay the first week

[zoraster]

That was a fun game if not great for tsm/na. I'm liking the first two games changes on the meta even if it's only a bit.