Could be a reaction test.In post 17, Thestatusquo wrote:VOTE: boonskiiesIn post 15, Boonskiies wrote:I’m vanilla this game. Thoughts?
This joke is way more likely to come from scum than town in RVS.
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Stupidity, mostly. Sometimes it works in my favor tho. Like when I say stuff like that it can end RVS in a heartbeat. But sometimes it gets me lynched too, so that's why I think its more stupid.In post 22, Errantparabola wrote:i know this is sooo overdone but i'll ask the question: why'd you point it out, LQ?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I appreciate that you don't want to lynch me, but what you just said is prolly stupider than what I said.In post 25, Lalendra wrote:Not on board with the LQ lunch because I'm also VT and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.
Can someone elaborate on the policy lynch? I must be missing something.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I am going to try not to if I can help it.In post 31, Havo wrote:
Do you plan on saying stupid things on a regular basis? Because that post makes it sound like maybe you do.In post 23, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Stupidity, mostly. Sometimes it works in my favor tho. Like when I say stuff like that it can end RVS in a heartbeat. But sometimes it gets me lynched too, so that's why I think its more stupid.In post 22, Errantparabola wrote:i know this is sooo overdone but i'll ask the question: why'd you point it out, LQ?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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And what makes you think they used it as a reaction test after I brought up what boon was doing could be a reaction test. You think they got anything out of the reaction test they did, cuz I don't.In post 37, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Ah. So you essentially wanted to try reaction testing. I can’t say that I dig it. I tend to find it scummy but I know people do it as town enough for it be a null tell. I think as long as you know what you’re trying to accomplish with a reaction test, you’ll do fine.In post 30, Lalendra wrote:
Thank you for the explanation.In post 28, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why were you considering claiming right away?In post 25, Lalendra wrote:Not on board with the LQ lunch because I'm also VT and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.
Can someone elaborate on the policy lynch? I must be missing something.
A policy lynch is the act of lynching a player who is not found to be particularly scummy, but because their bad play will hurt the town later on.
I was considering claiming right away because I've never used this tactic before and I wanted to see how it played out. I'm still fairly new to mafia. So, it was interesting to me that someone else had the exact same idea.
What do you think Boon is trying to accomplish with his supposed claim?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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The question, at this point, should be whether Lalendra was truthful in their claim or whether they are Scum. I think this because I think its improbable that Lalendra was doing a reaction test when that was already brought up. Its the fact that her reaction test would be so ineffective that I don't think its likely she takes that course of action. I mean, they already claimed it so there is no sense in hiding it really.
I will say its prolly very unlikely that all of Uzi, EP and Lalendra are all Scum covering for Lalendra. That would group themselves too close together as having the same opinion which I don't think is either an effective strategy as Scum, nor a probable one.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I could prolly vote Boon. tsq makes a decent point on them. Plus they only have one post. The fact that they have one post doesn't invalidate that they could be doing a reaction test. On the contrary it actually bolsters my argument. But you can't read what you can't read.
I think Uzi is prolly Town. I liked their interpretation of Lalendra. Seems like a Town mindset. That said, I don't like how he is silent on Boon.
Havo is complete meh, but they could be just feeling things out.
Toco's is nowhere to be seen.
Shad prolly happy they are Town... or something. I've played with Shadd offsite.
Null on EP. Will have to see what they have to say more about me and Lalendra. Don't get that they want to meta dive Town reads, however; that's just weird.
Chill seems to be avoiding anything noteworthy. Don't like that.
Lalendra is a newb and doesn't makes sense.
I think Acid could be Town here for giving me a quick Town read. I've played with them a few times.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Good player. Sniffed me out pretty handedly in our second game together on D1. We had quite the 1v1 there. I caught him in the previous game. Its kinda ballsy for Acid to give me a quick Town read unless they don't really respect my play. I think they are a tone reader for the most part, but they are actually good at it.In post 66, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn’t even notice he posted to be honest.
Can you talk about your experience with him some LQ?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Nope. That has not been my experience with Acid, however, I believe they were the last remaining 3p in the setup for almost the whole game because their partner (another good player) got snipped N1. They were bold and made strong well thought out stances that were good for his win con.In post 70, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Would you say he fades out or lurks as scum?In post 68, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Good player. Sniffed me out pretty handedly in our second game together on D1. We had quite the 1v1 there. I caught him in the previous game. Its kinda ballsy for Acid to give me a quick Town read unless they don't really respect my play. I think they are a tone reader for the most part, but they are actually good at it.In post 66, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn’t even notice he posted to be honest.
Can you talk about your experience with him some LQ?
I just recently finished a game with him where he was super active early on as scum, went on v/LA, came back and for whatever reason started lurking.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yeah, I was thinking of someone else. Was just trying to check on MU the game we played together. It was like "the game of lights" or something. It was a light game. Sorry, I was misremembering; didn't mean to mix you up with someone else. Do you know what the name of that game was? My stated games on MU are outdated and it doesn't account for a few games I have played on there so its not in my database. I can check my wiki tho, which I am going to do next.In post 73, acidphoenix wrote:quick i respect your town play but based on f+v i don't think the statement that i'll be certain of your alignment soon enough is unfair at all
i don't think i've seen your scum play
also i have no clue which game you're talking about
did i play a game with you other than f+v? idts but maybeI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yeah, found it. I feel like I have alzheimers. You are conveniently completely out of my memory. Weird.
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Why?In post 75, Sergtacos wrote:Tchill is scum.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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This seems acceptable. What do you think tsq?In post 83, Boonskiies wrote:I’m known for claiming like 5 different times as town. I’m THE reaction test player on site. I believe every post matters.
I’m also VLA until Friday, it I’ll likely be posting occasionally within that.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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In post 17, Thestatusquo wrote:
VOTE: boonskiiesIn post 15, Boonskiies wrote:I’m vanilla this game. Thoughts?
This joke is way more likely to come from scum than town in RVS.
This is where I first bring into question about if what you are saying is legit. You gave no opinion on this.In post 20, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Could be a reaction test.In post 17, Thestatusquo wrote:
VOTE: boonskiiesIn post 15, Boonskiies wrote:I’m vanilla this game. Thoughts?
This joke is way more likely to come from scum than town in RVS.
In post 40, LicketyQuickety wrote:The question, at this point, should be whether Lalendra was truthful in their claim or whether they are Scum. I think this because I think its improbable that Lalendra was doing a reaction test when that was already brought up. Its the fact that her reaction test would be so ineffective that I don't think its likely she takes that course of action. I mean, they already claimed it so there is no sense in hiding it really.
I will say its prolly very unlikely that all of Uzi, EP and Lalendra are all Scum covering for Lalendra. That would group themselves too close together as having the same opinion which I don't think is either an effective strategy as Scum, nor a probable one.In post 41, Thestatusquo wrote:Can we lynch confirmed scum boonskiies yet?
This is where you call into question what I have said and double down on Boon.In post 43, Thestatusquo wrote:
worth noting if boonskiies flips scum.In post 40, LicketyQuickety wrote:The question, at this point, should be whether Lalendra was truthful in their claim or whether they are Scum. I think this because I think its improbable that Lalendra was doing a reaction test when that was already brought up. Its the fact that her reaction test would be so ineffective that I don't think its likely she takes that course of action. I mean, they already claimed it so there is no sense in hiding it really.
I will say its prolly very unlikely that all of Uzi, EP and Lalendra are all Scum covering for Lalendra. That would group themselves too close together as having the same opinion which I don't think is either an effective strategy as Scum, nor a probable one.
why are we wasting several paragraphs pontificating on what is obviously a newbie play while ignoring the fact that boonskiies, who is not a newbie, already did it earlier.
This is the second opportunity I gave you to feel out whether you were actually serious about lynching Boon.In post 84, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This seems acceptable. What do you think tsq?In post 83, Boonskiies wrote:I’m known for claiming like 5 different times as town. I’m THE reaction test player on site. I believe every post matters.
I’m also VLA until Friday, it I’ll likely be posting occasionally within that.
Here you triple down on Boon being Scum.In post 85, Thestatusquo wrote:Self meta is nonsense.
This is where I get curious about what exactly you are doing so I play devils advocate to see what exactly you are really doing. At the time I was debating saying Boons meta is easily verifiable, but held off on that; don't know why.In post 87, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm going to follow tsq on this one. Plus, I hate how Boon said they claim like 5 times in a game.
VOTE: Boon
This is where I give my perspective on what tsq is doing. Notice I didn't say you were giving good points, but decent points. This was intentional.In post 88, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm aware I never gave a read on tsq as well. He's making some decent points and is playing aggressive and I like that. That would be my read on him atm.
Then you turn your hand and say you were just saying those things to see who follows you. I did follow you, but as I said before, it had more to do with trying to see what you were up to. When I said I didn't like that Boon said he claims different things like 5 times in a game, that was an honest comment because I don't think that is the way Mafia should be played because it ruins your credibility if you do that.In post 96, Thestatusquo wrote:Ep, I know. It's almost like I did that on purpose.
I don't like how lq just said that boons response was fine and then jumped into the wagon after a one sentence non-argument from me. Like, at all.
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Why is Boon Scummy? For reasons stated? I think your reasons are weak and you don't have enough cause to jump off of him and on to me. Boon needs to be Scum in order for me to be Scum in this scenario, correct? Otherwise its just me being opportunistic? If that was the case I would jump on to Chill.In post 102, Thestatusquo wrote:No, I still think boon is scummy.
But I think you jumping on him after what I think was a particularly spurious argument on my part a) fits the description of scum who want to distance from their scum partner and b) fits scum trying to coast off of a particularly loud player without providing insight and reasoning of his own.
You know what all of those posts have in common? They don't contain at any point YOU providing reasoning for why YOU think hes scum. In fact, the only post besides your vote where you mention him at all is the one where you say that his defense is reasonable. Which then turns into a vote? What?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Or, you know, I could just be trying to get more info on what you are doing, which I already talked about. Now if you don't believe I am doing that, that is one thing, but basically all you have done is say "this is typical Scum behavior, so that means LQ is Scum" a point you couldn't possibly make a meta argument on me of. Not going to self meta, I'll just point out my sig and let you think on that.In post 105, Thestatusquo wrote:notice the convenient second letter in my justification.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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And I think its pretty weak that you say I haven't provided any of my own thoughts on the game. There are worse offenders of your point b than what I have done.In post 107, Thestatusquo wrote:I think thats a gross misstatement of my point, which is more along the lines of "I see more scum motivation for what you are doing than town motivation for what you are doing."I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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First, she says lunch, which means she has played before, and its not typical of people on this site to say Lunch as much as elsewhere on the net. Second, She says she is not on board with my lynch... because she was also considering claiming VT straight out of the gate... Wut? Like I feel she is trying to say its Townie of me to point out that it could be a reaction test, but instead she goes into full detail of giving too much info about her role for zero reason. I can see how VT might want to claim to survive longer, but as I already stated, the fact someone else already claimed VT it takes away any ability to use "I'm VT" as a reaction test. So given that she HAS played before (assuming she played a newbie game here) Its likely she already knows not to just claim your role for zero reason. That's why I posited that either she is just a poor player or is Scum in so many words.In post 25, Lalendra wrote:Not on board with the LQ lunch because I'm also VT and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.
Can someone elaborate on the policy lynch? I must be missing something.
Here its like... AGAIN, why claim here when it serves zero purpose? I feel like she is kinda playing up the newb card at this point. She hasn't indicated that she knows what she is doing and is going to pull some gosu fake out shit that she drops on us later.In post 30, Lalendra wrote:
Thank you for the explanation.In post 28, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why were you considering claiming right away?In post 25, Lalendra wrote:Not on board with the LQ lunch because I'm also VT and was considering claiming it straight out the gate.
Can someone elaborate on the policy lynch? I must be missing something.
A policy lynch is the act of lynching a player who is not found to be particularly scummy, but because their bad play will hurt the town later on.
I was considering claiming right away because I've never used this tactic before and I wanted to see how it played out. I'm still fairly new to mafia. So, it was interesting to me that someone else had the exact same idea.
"I'm a fan of reads list, especially this early" This is not something a newb should be saying... like.. at all.In post 97, Lalendra wrote:Okay I'm a fan of readlists, especially this early in the game, so here goes.
Spoiler:
I don't have any super strong reads yet but currently, Tacos and Schadd are probably my biggest scumreads simply because they have posted without actually saying or contributing much. Players who have more experience with them (or just in general) are welcome to tell me if they think I'm wrong on those.
Mumble and Egg, where you at?
P-Edit: Not a bad vote from TSQ for LQ. I am open to jumping on this wagon, depending on where it goes.
And then she basically says Boon is Town because he did something she has never tried out and thinks its too ballsy for Scum to do. Way to give yourself a Town read???
In her read on Chill, she is basically saying she disagrees with someone who is much more experienced than herself. Then she says she hasn't done a meta dive on Chill yet. OK, but like, what are you waiting for?
Their read on me... "I'm thinking Town, but not sure" Does it get any more hedgy than that?
Her Toco read is the only one that seems acceptable and its not even a stance on them.
There read on shadd seems a bit IIoA as per my definition. It gives facts without a conclusion in other words. Its smells fishy to me.
tsq... Take not of the "on that one" This looks like it could be a kind of coverup based on word choice. Not to mention that generating content is what you aresupposedto do as either alignment.
How the absolute FUCK is playing as aggressively Pro-Town risky? Like that is what you are supposed to do to get a Town read, right?
Their read on EP is.. "I'm a newb but I know what EP is doing even tho it doesn't make sense is perfectly fine"
She wraps up her reads saying "The people that have contributed a goose egg are my Scum reads" when earlier she said she had no read on those players.
Then in her P-Edit she does exactly what tsq accused me of doing, but does tsq even look at Lalenda? Why not? Because they are a newb so all is forgiven?
Then she takes Acids harmless comment as an accusation and finds the need to defend themselves. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself against that?In post 100, Lalendra wrote:
I don't really have any stronger reasoning at the moment, hence why there isn't much. The readslist was mostly me thinking out loud and hoping that it would generate some discussion.In post 98, acidphoenix wrote:VOTE: tchill
also >explanations with your readslist
unexplained readslist = goat
Why did you vote tchill?
LAMIST.In post 114, Lalendra wrote:Can you elaborate on what this means? I'm also confused about why you voted me and then continue your dialogue with TSQ. If you think what he is doing is scummy/bad play, why wouldn't you vote him instead? (Not saying I think you should, I'm not getting a strong scumlean on him; just trying to understand your thought process here.)
Havo - Are you serious about Mumble? If so, why not vote him?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Why are you arguing why I am Town and not why tsq is Scum?In post 144, Errantparabola wrote:
I don't think your LQ case is founded on solid ground at all--In post 131, Thestatusquo wrote:What part of it do you not like? What do you think the motivations for the actions I am attacking him for are likely to be?
(here I typed out a paragraph about why your case was bad but when I went back and read it, it seemed more and more like just a playstyle difference and now i'm not very sure)
But to summarize what I was going to say:
LQ obviously does weird stuff and I think thats something you have to take into account. Town is illogical/bad/dumb all the time. The only difference I see between Tchill's unjustified vote that resulted in you VI-reading him and LQ's unjustified vote that resulted in you scumreading him, to me, looks like a real reach to find motives that I strongly believe comes from scum a lot less than you think it does
(or I could just be overestimating LQ and he's actually terrible at scum?!)
As for why I townread LQ:
1) He's dominating the game in a way that makes me really feel like he's town without a filter.
2) I know meta is very unreliable especially with such a small sample size but I use it to ground my early game reads-- looking at his town and scum games, I get the sense that he tries to be helpful more when he's scum, trying to take a strong supporting role with questions and pushes. (This is very common for people when they play scum I feel). There's none of that here.
3) Some of his posts, like 26, are something I can't really imagine coming from scum.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Can you point to me where you have said this before?In post 154, Havo wrote:
My biggest pet peeve is when townies post things that create confusionIn post 69, Errantparabola wrote:
2) Havo's 31 is unnecessarily chip-on-shoulder. Unfortunately I couldn't find any scum games from him, so there's really nothing to look into there (and perhaps there wouldn't be anything to look into even if there were scum games to read). But early Havo ISOs in other games have him being pretty personable. Thoughts, Havo?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You're going to have to articulate more than this because anyone can fake the sort of answers that you are giving.
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Completely undecided on Acid since I found out who I thought they were, they were not.In post 159, Tchill13 wrote:Errant or licketey quickety what do you think of acid?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Will get to other posts a bit later, but this one is easy.
I thought you were Athazagora AKA AwesomeDolphin.
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I think you missed the part about Acid NOT being the person I thought they were?In post 151, Egg wrote:lickety wrote:I think Acid could be Town here for giving me a quick Town read. I've played with them a few times.
These two things together feel weird to me. The first feels like lickety is shrugging him off as town with little reason. The second feels a lot more calculated. This could be buddying a player who caught him before in hopes that he gets overlooked this time. But then at the same time, some of the language doesn't feel like buddying. It feels more...bitter? Like he has some kind of animosity towards acid. I'm looking at "kinda ballsy" and "don't really respect my play". But then he goes right back into a compliment by saying he's a good tone reader. It just feels so unnatural to me.lickety wrote:Good player. Sniffed me out pretty handedly in our second game together on D1. We had quite the 1v1 there. I caught him in the previous game. Its kinda ballsy for Acid to give me a quick Town read unless they don't really respect my play. I think they are a tone reader for the most part, but they are actually good at it
Funny. These don't seem to go together either unless the first statement didn't have to do with meta but that wasn't the impression I got.acid wrote:quick i respect your town play but based on f+v i don't think the statement that i'll be certain of your alignment soon enough is unfair at all
i don't think i've seen your scum play
Not sure if you are saying my read on Shea has change or if you are talking about Shea's read on me. In any case. My read on Shea has not really changed.In post 151, Egg wrote:I'm pretty surprised at Lickety's post 101. The Boon vote seemed to be following a town read (Shea) while 101 gives the impression that that never happened like that. I'm trying to think what changed in that time and Shea voting Lickety is the obvious thing there. It seems like Shea, in Lickety's mind, very quickly went from solid town worth following to a guy that makes no sense when he talks. I understand the vote somewhat changing Lickety's view here, but it's almost like he's trying to alter the past. The whole "double down, triple down" thing sounds like Lickety was never satisfied with Shea's play when the Boon vote suggested otherwise. The jump OFF of Boon two posts later is pretty convenient too but I might just be at the point of comfirmation bias there.
Funny guy. I can see why you like the name egg. Nope not afraid of OMGUS, I've done it a few times (ask Uzi).In post 151, Egg wrote:
Lickety is probably worried OMGUSing would look bad.Lelandra wrote:Can you elaborate on what this means? I'm also confused about why you voted me and then continue your dialogue with TSQ. If you think what he is doing is scummy/bad play, why wouldn't you vote him instead? (Not saying I think you should, I'm not getting a strong scumlean on him; just trying to understand your thought process here.)
I wanted to see if she had played off site before playing here. Most people do play somewhere else before coming here now days. Lalendra, have you played off site?In post 151, Egg wrote:
lol, what? You lost me. I mean yeah she's played before but what does saying "lunch" have to do with that? lolLickety wrote:First, she says lunch, which means she has played before
Look at her reads on Toco and Shadd. In her reads list it appeared like they were a Null read considering she tagged them as "I need to see more from you" or something like that. Then she lists them as her strongest Scum reads.In post 151, Egg wrote:
Where do you see that?Lickety wrote:She wraps up her reads saying "The people that have contributed a goose egg are my Scum reads" when earlier she said she had no read on those players.
Did Acid ask a question to Lalendra? I forget.In post 151, Egg wrote:
Maybe it's just me but that felt more like acknowledging a request that Acid made than a defense.Lickety wrote:Then she takes Acids harmless comment as an accusation and finds the need to defend themselves. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself against that?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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My mistake, I don't have a cell phone so I don't know about that stuff.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
Actually that was my phone autocorrecting lynch to lunch. I caught it the second time, but not the first. Reading way too much into autocorrect lol. Plus you can look at my history on this site to see how many games I've played, I think it's maybe six? (Not taking the time to check right now) I would consider myself a newbie compared to most others on this site, yes.In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:First, she says lunch, which means she has played before, and its not typical of people on this site to say Lunch as much as elsewhere on the net.
We are talking about doing the same exact reaction test that was just discussed. Do you think that would actually work? When it was discussed that the first time it could have been a reaction test?In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
I never claimed to be good. It was an approach I had never tried, and really, why would two VT claims be any less effective than one? It gives people more to talk about, if anything.In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:Second, She says she is not on board with my lynch... because she was also considering claiming VT straight out of the gate... Wut? Like I feel she is trying to say its Townie of me to point out that it could be a reaction test, but instead she goes into full detail of giving too much info about her role for zero reason. I can see how VT might want to claim to survive longer, but as I already stated, the fact someone else already claimed VT it takes away any ability to use "I'm VT" as a reaction test. So given that she HAS played before (assuming she played a newbie game here) Its likely she already knows not to just claim your role for zero reason. That's why I posited that either she is just a poor player or is Scum in so many words.
I'm not saying it doesn't make you a newb. What I meant was that it implies you have some knowledge about why reads lists are a good practice to do early. This is a very hot button issue and some people think D1 in general isn't good for getting reads. The way you phrased it seemed like you had some insider knowledge about this.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
Why not? It helps me organize my thought process and get feedback from other people, maybe consider angles I hadn't yet. Not sure why that makes me not a newb.In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:"I'm a fan of reads list, especially this early" This is not something a newb should be saying... like.. at all.
K, as long as that is all it is.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
I was at work and have other shit to do?In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:In her read on Chill, she is basically saying she disagrees with someone who is much more experienced than herself. Then she says she hasn't done a meta dive on Chill yet. OK, but like, what are you waiting for?
Yeah, but earlier you said you didn't want to lynch me. Seems like a knee jerk reaction when you first said that?In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
Pretty sure I flat out said that I wasn't super confident in any of my reads yet and that's why I didn't vote.In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:Their read on me... "I'm thinking Town, but not sure" Does it get any more hedgy than that?
Its the only time you have used that phrase. It implies there is something special about your read on that person.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
Okay? I'm not sure how "on that one" is a coverup, can you elaborate?In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:tsq... Take not of the "on that one" This looks like it could be a kind of coverup based on word choice. Not to mention that generating content is what you aresupposedto do as either alignment.
I try to be aggressive as both Town AND Scum because if I just do it as Town and not as Scum then people pick up on that and it ends up being an easy read to make.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
If you're aggressively pro-town as scum, it's risky because it can be transparent. Trying TOO HARD to be town. If you're aggressively pro-town as town, it can lead to you being mistaken as scum who is trying too hard.In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:How the absolute FUCK is playing as aggressively Pro-Town risky? Like that is what you are supposed to do to get a Town read, right?
In the information you gave on your reads, you gave no indication that you thought either Schadd or Toco did anything Scummy. All you said is that you need to see more from them.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
I didn't say that, but nice way to spin via paraphrasing.In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:She wraps up her reads saying "The people that have contributed a goose egg are my Scum reads" when earlier she said she had no read on those players.
I was more addressing this to Shea than you.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:Then in her P-Edit she does exactly what tsq accused me of doing, but does tsq even look at Lalenda? Why not? Because they are a newb so all is forgiven?
I said I was open to the idea if I was presented with more evidence, but obviously was not confident enough to vote, because...well, because I didn't.
I could be reading too far into it.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
I didn't think I was defensive in this post, I was just responding to something that was said.In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote: Then she takes Acids harmless comment as an accusation and finds the need to defend themselves. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself against that?
This wasn't really addressed to you either.In post 169, Lalendra wrote:
How is that LAMIST?In post 143, LicketyQuickety wrote:
LAMIST.In post 114, Lalendra wrote:Can you elaborate on what this means? I'm also confused about why you voted me and then continue your dialogue with TSQ. If you think what he is doing is scummy/bad play, why wouldn't you vote him instead? (Not saying I think you should, I'm not getting a strong scumlean on him; just trying to understand your thought process here.)
Havo - Are you serious about Mumble? If so, why not vote him?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Not sure I got this question from you the first time around. Not quite sure why you think it was YOUR question when Egg was the person who made that comment. We will see how good Uzi's memory is shortly.In post 184, Lalendra wrote:
Okay then, answer my question. If it wasn't fear of OMGUS what was it?In post 178, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Funny guy. I can see why you like the name egg. Nope not afraid of OMGUS, I've done it a few times (ask Uzi).In post 151, Egg wrote:
Lickety is probably worried OMGUSing would look bad.Lelandra wrote:Can you elaborate on what this means? I'm also confused about why you voted me and then continue your dialogue with TSQ. If you think what he is doing is scummy/bad play, why wouldn't you vote him instead? (Not saying I think you should, I'm not getting a strong scumlean on him; just trying to understand your thought process here.)
Thanks for the info.In post 184, Lalendra wrote:
I played like two games on another site, three years ago I think? MS is the only other site I've been on.In post 178, LicketyQuickety wrote:Lalendra, have you played off site?
OKIn post 184, Lalendra wrote:
98 was more of a suggestion than a question, but I was asking a question in return (not sure I got an answer actually).In post 178, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Did Acid ask a question to Lalendra? I forget.In post 151, Egg wrote:
Maybe it's just me but that felt more like acknowledging a request that Acid made than a defense.Lickety wrote:Then she takes Acids harmless comment as an accusation and finds the need to defend themselves. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself against that?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Hang on a minute. I did ask you a few questions in my response.In post 192, Lalendra wrote:I'm satisfied with my dialogue with LQ for the moment. I'm getting tired and it seems like I thought some stuff was directed at me that wasn't so tell me if there were any questions that I didn't answer.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Don't do that. Page topping is [insert negative word here].In post 200, acidphoenix wrote:this pagetop is dedicated to lynches based on scumminess not policyI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I provided a reads list earlier. Don't feel up for doing another one currently.In post 203, acidphoenix wrote:not taking pagetops up for the grabbing is no fun tho :<
if this was mu i'd put vcs there
do you have a readslist?
how far would you stray from my posts at mumble in 182
what do you think of mumble
I don't really have many serious reads... Schadd is prolly my strongest Town read atm. #2 would prolly be EP, but they could be buddying me. Chill said I was his only and strongest Town read, and at the time, it seemed like a pretty logical move to make stance wise as Scum, but he is prolly #3.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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What was a typo?In post 205, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: I think you’re playing fucking semantics man. I suspect that was a typo.
Even if she has played before, it doesn’t necessarily mean that she isn’t a newbie. She could still not understand a lot of roles or basic mafia terminology. She could have less than 10 games under her belt for all we know.
You do have a point about her claiming but I just don’t see the way she did it coming from scum. What would her scum motivation be to claim like that? It reads more like a rookie mistake.
I’m not following you on why wouldn’t a newbie say that. It feels like you’re reaching again.
As for the reads list itself, I think it’s just a bunch of jumbled up thoughts and reeks of only having half an understanding of what’s going on and what people are doing
Right, which is why I explicitly asked if she had experience off site.
The way I see a VT claim coming from Scum is to get a quick claim out so they don't have to worry about it later.
You don't get why a Newbie wouldn't say what?
Possible that she doesn't know what's going on with the reads list, but it also looks like some things could be fabricated.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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The lunch thing was cleared up.In post 226, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
The lunch thing.In post 222, LicketyQuickety wrote:
What was a typo?In post 205, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: I think you’re playing fucking semantics man. I suspect that was a typo.
Even if she has played before, it doesn’t necessarily mean that she isn’t a newbie. She could still not understand a lot of roles or basic mafia terminology. She could have less than 10 games under her belt for all we know.
You do have a point about her claiming but I just don’t see the way she did it coming from scum. What would her scum motivation be to claim like that? It reads more like a rookie mistake.
I’m not following you on why wouldn’t a newbie say that. It feels like you’re reaching again.
As for the reads list itself, I think it’s just a bunch of jumbled up thoughts and reeks of only having half an understanding of what’s going on and what people are doing
Right, which is why I explicitly asked if she had experience off site.
The way I see a VT claim coming from Scum is to get a quick claim out so they don't have to worry about it later.
You don't get why a Newbie wouldn't say what?
Possible that she doesn't know what's going on with the reads list, but it also looks like some things could be fabricated.
Is it really a worry when you have 2 or 3 people to converse with?
No I don’t get that at all. Explain like I’m 5 because right now it sounds like you’re making something out of nothing.
IDK what your second sentence is addressing.
I don't feel like explaining a basic tell in simple terms.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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What don't you get about my take on why she might do that as Scum?In post 230, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I know that now. I was saying that I thought you were playing semantics earlier.In post 228, LicketyQuickety wrote:
The lunch thing was cleared up.In post 226, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
The lunch thing.In post 222, LicketyQuickety wrote:
What was a typo?In post 205, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: I think you’re playing fucking semantics man. I suspect that was a typo.
Even if she has played before, it doesn’t necessarily mean that she isn’t a newbie. She could still not understand a lot of roles or basic mafia terminology. She could have less than 10 games under her belt for all we know.
You do have a point about her claiming but I just don’t see the way she did it coming from scum. What would her scum motivation be to claim like that? It reads more like a rookie mistake.
I’m not following you on why wouldn’t a newbie say that. It feels like you’re reaching again.
As for the reads list itself, I think it’s just a bunch of jumbled up thoughts and reeks of only having half an understanding of what’s going on and what people are doing
Right, which is why I explicitly asked if she had experience off site.
The way I see a VT claim coming from Scum is to get a quick claim out so they don't have to worry about it later.
You don't get why a Newbie wouldn't say what?
Possible that she doesn't know what's going on with the reads list, but it also looks like some things could be fabricated.
Is it really a worry when you have 2 or 3 people to converse with?
No I don’t get that at all. Explain like I’m 5 because right now it sounds like you’re making something out of nothing.
IDK what your second sentence is addressing.
I don't feel like explaining a basic tell in simple terms.
I’m referring to her claiming VT and your take on what was her motivation to do that as scum.
What tell? Walk me through man, seriously.
Scum - especially newb Scum - give fishy looking reads because its hard for them to fake good reads. I mean, I get that you are saying "No, they just don't know what's going on." But we don't actually know if its fake reads or not without pressure.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Well, IDK about you, but IDK what is going on in Mafia chat. We don't know if Lalendral said that before Scum had a group meeting to discuss strategy. IMO this site underutilized Mafia Chat quite a bit. I've been in games where Mafia didn't say much at all when Day Chat was a thing.In post 232, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What I’m saying is, why do you think it is a worry when from your POV, she’ll have 2 or 3 people to discuss and come up with a viable fake claim privately?
I have never heard of that actually. Has anyone else? Fishy reads are fishy reads regardless if you’re just starting out or a vet.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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In post 80, Tchill13 wrote:
Alright it's day one and we're on page 5 I'm not sure what I should be talking about yet. What do you want me to discuss?In post 69, Errantparabola wrote:1) Fact remains that Tchill is still a fine wagon as someone who has had 7 posts to advance the game but has actually done almost nothing.
2) Havo's 31 is unnecessarily chip-on-shoulder. Unfortunately I couldn't find any scum games from him, so there's really nothing to look into there (and perhaps there wouldn't be anything to look into even if there were scum games to read). But early Havo ISOs in other games have him being pretty personable. Thoughts, Havo?
3) LQ's weird Lalendra analysis is pretty town. Fast look into LQ's normal games (from his very helpful wiki) makes me comfortable with that read.
4) Any pronouns are fine.Was this just an OMGUS then?
In post 134, Tchill13 wrote:
I just felt like errant brought up an issue that could lead to a lot of momentum on my wagon that could then be pushed to a Lynch.In post 127, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Low post count doesn’t mean lack of content.In post 124, Tchill13 wrote:Only scummy things I've seen so far is errant pushing me for lack of content when most players were around 5ish posts.
Do you think Errant is forcing having a strong read on you or something?
I find it slightly odd that you are worried about getting lynched so early in the day (D1 no less)? Like its kinda normal for wagons to go all over the place the first 4-5 days or so, would you agree?In post 237, Tchill13 wrote:
I see much more motivation in that instance from scum rather than town. i believe i had 2 votes on me and errant was already one of them. Errant laid the foundation for some serious momentum. So from that view there wouldn't be much discussion about other players and less stances would have been taken. I haven't played with errant before but since this i've stated a town read on him because his breakdowns make sense and he's looking like he's trying to get multiple reads.In post 204, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 134, Tchill13 wrote:
I just felt like errant brought up an issue that could lead to a lot of momentum on my wagon that could then be pushed to a Lynch.In post 127, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Low post count doesn’t mean lack of content.In post 124, Tchill13 wrote:Only scummy things I've seen so far is errant pushing me for lack of content when most players were around 5ish posts.
Do you think Errant is forcing having a strong read on you or something?
I think I kind of get what you’re saying here but I also don’t really see it. Errant doesn’t strike me as the careless type.In post 136, Tchill13 wrote:The action isn't scummy it's the timing of it. Pushing someone for lack of content as soon as the game starts? Are you serious? That's why I questioned it because it's a reasonable excuse and the TIMING. Nothing better for scum to find a reasonable excuse to lead a mislynch on someone.
I find that there are players who don’t like a prolonged RVS stage or are just eager to get to game solving. Why is pushing for lack of content so early more likely to come from scum than town?
In post 80, Tchill13 wrote:
Alright it's day one and we're on page 5 I'm not sure what I should be talking about yet. What do you want me to discuss?In post 69, Errantparabola wrote:1) Fact remains that Tchill is still a fine wagon as someone who has had 7 posts to advance the game but has actually done almost nothing.
2) Havo's 31 is unnecessarily chip-on-shoulder. Unfortunately I couldn't find any scum games from him, so there's really nothing to look into there (and perhaps there wouldn't be anything to look into even if there were scum games to read). But early Havo ISOs in other games have him being pretty personable. Thoughts, Havo?
3) LQ's weird Lalendra analysis is pretty town. Fast look into LQ's normal games (from his very helpful wiki) makes me comfortable with that read.
4) Any pronouns are fine.
In post 240, Tchill13 wrote:Town: Egg, Errant
lean town: Havo, LQ
Null: Schadd, thestatusquo, sergtacos
lean scum: Uzi, mumble, lalendra
Scum: acid
How strong are your reads at this point?In post 241, Tchill13 wrote:boon is null atm tooI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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@tsq and anyone else accusing me of having no progression on Boon.In post 64, LicketyQuickety wrote:I could prolly vote Boon. tsq makes a decent point on them. Plus they only have one post. The fact that they have one post doesn't invalidate that they could be doing a reaction test. On the contrary it actually bolsters my argument. But you can't read what you can't read.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?In post 97, Lalendra wrote:LQ pointed out that TSQ vs Uzi is probably not S v S, which I agree with. LQ has also made some good points, despite claiming stupidity earlier. I'm thinking town but not sure.
I don't have any super strong reads yet but currently, Tacos and Schadd are probably my biggest scumreads simply because they have posted without actually saying or contributing much. Players who have more experience with them (or just in general) are welcome to tell me if they think I'm wrong on those.
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P-Edit: Not a bad vote from TSQ for LQ. I am open to jumping on this wagon, depending on where it goes.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Reads:
Uzi: Prolly Town here. What he says seems to come from Town mindset.
Boon: Who fucking knows. This is prolly my nullest read because of lack of content.
Chill: I can see some Town Mindset, but also some convenient stances (Don't expect people to understand the latter)
Lalendra: I am kinda on the fence about this one. Like most things they say make sense, but I just get a really bad vibe from them that I can't really explain.
Acid: I would be willing to give Acid another look. Will ISO them sometime today.
Toco: Slight Town based on Tone and stances
Shadd: Kinda same as Tocos. Like their tone is not bad at all, can't tell if its faked, but doesn't seem to be
tsq: Mostly null still. I mean I get their perspective and strategy, I just don't know if it comes from Town or Scum
Mumble: They made one post that I really thought sucked, will point that out after this post
Egg: Kinda same as tsq. I feel like both these guys are a little inflexible in their interpretation of things
Havo: Where have he been lately? At this point I see a bit more Scum then Town due to kinda POE, but that is pretty weak admittedly
EP: I like EP as Town. They are putting in effort and what they say makes perfect sense coming from TownI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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This post sucks. Like sure even if you were not lurking, your content is abysmal up to this point so I don't think this argument works in your favor at all.In post 264, Mumble wrote:I wasn't lurking? I posted last night, and now on my lunch break. Also, tchil called me out for it last night...so...why are you trying to throw shade at me for responding?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yeah, but like, if you are not lurking I expect content, especially on page 8 or 9 because RVS was long over by that time to be making stupid jokes.In post 308, Mumble wrote:
You should read on then. I thought that she was throwing shade at me for lurking (i.e. not posting) which I found scummy since it was false, which she later clarified to be active lurking (i.e. fluffposting), a term I was unfamiliar with, but makes her stance not false.In post 307, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This post sucks. Like sure even if you were not lurking, your content is abysmal up to this point so I don't think this argument works in your favor at all.In post 264, Mumble wrote:I wasn't lurking? I posted last night, and now on my lunch break. Also, tchil called me out for it last night...so...why are you trying to throw shade at me for responding?
The argument works for the former, not the latter.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You going to explain this vote or...
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Mumble, who is Town, who is Scum? You haven't made a single stance yet, you've just dicked around the whole time. Like that is the definition of fluff posting which you claim you haven't been doing.
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OK, I lol'd.In post 285, Sergtacos wrote:
*bows*In post 283, Thestatusquo wrote:Also this mumble serg thing reads like a performance to me.
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here is the way I see it: If Lalendra is Scum then Uzi has a better chance to be Scum for defending her, but it looks like Laledra might be Town here, which just makes Uzi's defense seem kinda accurate. That is what I am looking at anyways.In post 314, Errantparabola wrote:Does anyone with good LUV experience/Shea have a reads justification on him
Bunch of people randomly saying he's town or he's scum without anything discrete i feelI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I think you are forgetting that Lalendra is a newb and that Uzi interprets their actions as Townie and doesn't question it.In post 318, Mumble wrote:
If Lalendra is scum, then Serg and Acid have a better than decent change of being scum.In post 316, LicketyQuickety wrote:here is the way I see it: If Lalendra is Scum then Uzi has a better chance to be Scum for defending her, but it looks like Laledra might be Town here, which just makes Uzi's defense seem kinda accurate. That is what I am looking at anyways.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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They have played like 6 games. Yeah, I would say they are still a newb, big time.In post 321, Mumble wrote:How is Lalendra a newb who has been here two years and have multiple games played?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I have a Town read on tocos. Are you sure you are not Scum?In post 322, acidphoenix wrote:does anyone have a read on serg other than "he's serg and lolserg null"
regardless who wants to go for sergI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Where is your sense of humor?
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Its too late now, you have shown your true colors.In post 327, acidphoenix wrote:running off to dance with elephantsI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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That was a correct response.
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Prolly havo.In post 331, acidphoenix wrote:HOWEVER it could have been improved via
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tchill / boon / havo / tsq
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I mean, I could see Boon being the odd one out as well because of the whole claim happy thing plus the lack of posts.
Right now tho, it looks like Mumble is avoiding the thread.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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