A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream - D.S. al Fine

MathBlade · Post Post #5000 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:39 pm

In post 4997, Cephrir wrote:which admittedly lines up with lld's concern about not working on dream unreceptive players

Which is why I asked anyone unreceptive to claim yesterday and if they didn't scum claim

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #5001 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:39 pm

honestly having an actual negative dream fucking ruined everything i thought about this game.

morph the cat · Post Post #5002 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:39 pm

In post 4980, Cephrir wrote:
@mods: does this game use NAR?

Yes.

There is at least one role, ability or dream that manually places itself superior to all other roles or actions.

In post 4981, Cephrir wrote:
Also regardless of the answer to the above can you tell me how hiders and roleblocks would interact in this game?

As per NAR, hiders would take precedence over roleblockers.

MathBlade · Post Post #5003 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:39 pm

In post 4998, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4996, MathBlade wrote: Who is smith?
wtf?????????????

Yes. He said smith present tense. Smith is dead why present tense?

MathBlade · Post Post #5004 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:40 pm

In post 5001, TheWayItEnds wrote:honestly having an actual negative dream fucking ruined everything i thought about this game.

What if it was a positive dream? First vote against town didn't count?

drealmerz7 · Post Post #5005 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:41 pm

In post 5003, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4998, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4996, MathBlade wrote: Who is smith?
wtf?????????????
Yes. He said smith present tense. Smith is dead why present tense?

???????????

seriously work on your reading comprehension wtf

drealmerz7 · Post Post #5006 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:41 pm

In post 5004, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5001, TheWayItEnds wrote:honestly having an actual negative dream fucking ruined everything i thought about this game.
What if it was a positive dream? First vote against town didn't count?

how on earth is that positive utility if we're in the fucking dark about it?

MathBlade · Post Post #5007 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:41 pm

In post 5005, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 5003, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4998, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4996, MathBlade wrote: Who is smith?
wtf?????????????
Yes. He said smith present tense. Smith is dead why present tense?
???????????

seriously work on your reading comprehension wtf

Smith has to work with. Present tense?

MathBlade · Post Post #5008 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:42 pm

In post 5006, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 5004, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5001, TheWayItEnds wrote:honestly having an actual negative dream fucking ruined everything i thought about this game.
What if it was a positive dream? First vote against town didn't count?
how on earth is that positive utility if we're in the fucking dark about it?

Don't instant lose pretty awesome in lylo.

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #5009 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:43 pm

I consider not knowing what my vote is going to do as an extreme negative.

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #5010 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:44 pm

I mean fuck without a scum lynch yesterday would have been autoloss

MathBlade · Post Post #5011 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:45 pm

So TWIE Cephrir Drealmerz all have intent to vote LLD correct?

drealmerz7 · Post Post #5012 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:47 pm

my vote has been on LLD...

ISO · Post Post #5013 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:47 pm

In post 4999, hebichan wrote:
In post 4996, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4993, TheWayItEnds wrote:if the only info smith has to work with is "1 shot ability"

"this affects tomorrow"

like... what is that supposed to do.
Who is smith?
MHsmith, who is long dead.

Also Ceph, why arre you townreading TWIE, besides you being scum?

When the hell did I say that I was?

I'm working with him a little because he could be.

drealmerz7 · Post Post #5014 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:47 pm

and I'm town

which means LLD is not

drealmerz7 · Post Post #5015 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:48 pm

or we're not in LYLO

ISO · Post Post #5016 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:48 pm

In post 5007, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5005, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 5003, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4998, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 4996, MathBlade wrote: Who is smith?
wtf?????????????
Yes. He said smith present tense. Smith is dead why present tense?
???????????

seriously work on your reading comprehension wtf
Smith has to work with. Present tense?

his role, present tense, is something that exists as part of the setup puzzle i'm currently trying to piece together

MathBlade · Post Post #5017 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:49 pm

17 players three scum...hell no lol

ISO · Post Post #5018 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:49 pm

In post 5002, morph the cat wrote:There is at least one role, ability or dream that manually places itself superior to all other roles or actions.

Regfan · Post Post #5019 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:49 pm

The whole "Reg/Ceph/Math" don't vote until the others have, or "I'm not voting until Ceph/TWIE do" type things are really silly and come across as scum motivated type stances to have, at this point it's a case of if you're 100% locked into a stance of someone being scum or very confident then voting helps reduce worlds, if you're not confident then you should be discussing who you think might be scum and why; I'm working towards hopefully voting in the next day or two since the more this is playing out the uglier the insults/interactions are getting, reading I did last night ruled out the LLD/Hebi/Ceph world that I was considering so I'm really only looking at three worlds now; LLD/Hebi/Dreamlz, LLD/Hebi/TWIE, Dreamlz/TWIE/Ceph.

In post 4873, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4791, Regfan wrote:Cephrir, would like this though;

Try and type your read on ever player in two lines per play, completely unfiltered ad unedited first thoughts that come to your mind.
Fair warning this is going to be a stack of waffles because I'm quite unconfident.

TWIE: A few town pings from Syr, then nothing forever. TWIE himself I have no confidence in reading because I've mislynched him for this kind of play before.
hebi: I remember townreading her strongly back D1/D2 when Imperium was offering to die for her, but she's done fuckall since then and her inability to see me as town is driving me up the wall.
dreal: He's a hard read for me and has been all game, because he always feels like he lives on another planet; his priorities don't make sense to me nor do the things he chooses to read into. I've just slotted him as null all game and hoped we wouldn't get here.
LLD: I know she's been busy but god I've just wanted so badly to see a little fire and some believably town play. There have been places where I thought she was bending over backwards to reach the conclusion she wanted to reach wrt her role and scumreads.
Reg: I agree that you were doing some good gamesolving and leading early on but I feel like you should be panicking now and you aren't. Also, why are you still alive? However I'm not going to consider hider-godfathers because that's just so cruel and stupid, so this is off the table right now.
Math: Probably town for being Sakura. Frustratingly insane.

Thanks for this, there's a few players where your thoughts seems..entirely undeveloped though? Like admittedly seem to have put TWIE/Dreamlz to the side a lot and done minimal to actually try and get a read on them and when I questioned TWIE on things yesterday you'd jumped in to defend him stating this is meta and that you're fine with it which is ??? if you're struggling to get a read on him yourself, like that combined with your 'hard meta town read' on Syranana earlier makes me worry about you two being a team a lot.

ISO · Post Post #5020 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:49 pm

In post 5010, TheWayItEnds wrote:I mean fuck without a scum lynch yesterday would have been autoloss

yeah this is the negative utility one.

drealmerz7 · Post Post #5021 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:51 pm

*tries using telepathy*

is that against the rules?

ISO · Post Post #5022 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:51 pm

In post 5017, MathBlade wrote:17 players three scum...hell no lol

it's not the most likely scenario, but you're thinking from a "what i usually see" baseline and not a "balance" one.

most big games have lots of town roles so they wouldn't be 3:14.

however, 3:14 MOUNTAINOUS would be about right. and i'm not sure what we have is better than mountainous.

Regfan · Post Post #5023 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:52 pm

Yeah, nah I really really can't see this being 14:3, particularly with Cabd and Ffyer as the mods, there's pretty much always 4 scum here.

ISO · Post Post #5024 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:54 pm

In post 5019, Regfan wrote:Thanks for this, there's a few players where your thoughts seems..entirely undeveloped though? Like admittedly seem to have put TWIE/Dreamlz to the side a lot and done minimal to actually try and get a read on them and when I questioned TWIE on things yesterday you'd jumped in to defend him stating this is meta and that you're fine with it which is ??? if you're struggling to get a read on him yourself, like that combined with your 'hard meta town read' on Syranana earlier makes me worry about you two being a team a lot.

i won't argue with that.

i am somewhat of a gut player these days and when things don't just come to me i'm left a bit lost.

i didn't want twie to be lynched purely for being twie, and i've seen things end badly when people try to kill him for that reason. i wasn't trying to say he was town, only that that logic for an attack on him wasn't sound.
^i get shit for doing this quite frequently as me shooting down an attack is perceived as defending when i don't see it that way.