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Post Post #5301 (isolation #200) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:03 pm

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before the day ends i want titus and kidamn to say why i'm scum, the latter over yumeko
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Post Post #5311 (isolation #201) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:06 pm

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In post 5307, gerryoat wrote:
In post 5304, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 5303, gerryoat wrote:Mary what do you feel about my tone has changed? Do you think I'm the type to panic as last maf? Even if i was last maf, I would have been last maf yesterday, why would I suddenly change today?
Because it bought you time you weren't really in the list of vig choices or jail choices so you didn't need to worry now that it's crunch time you seem to be failing
You realize vig tr me. So no reason for me to kill him. I'd kill GS so the only clear would be Titus. And I could just kill him next day.
no. that's not how it qorks. if scum didn't kill vig town got an extra kill via vig and we could've resolved all 3 of us regardless did me bein vigged tm
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Post Post #5315 (isolation #202) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:20 pm

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that makes no difference. vig yumeko, lynch Mary, vig me, lynch you is still a guaranteed win.
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Post Post #5317 (isolation #203) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:40 pm

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no dude. you forget wave is still alive and conf town
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Post Post #5321 (isolation #204) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:11 pm

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excuse me? who are you even talking about
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Post Post #5322 (isolation #205) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:11 pm

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wave was always conf town, as was kidamn after setup spec. yall are just fools who don't understand setup spec
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Post Post #5324 (isolation #206) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:52 pm

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considering i've had wave as conf town since literally d2, yea, he was. but what really seals it is how he played around kidamns claim. as scum, that was a free town pr mislynch that would've won the game. he instead backed up the claim in a very believable way and now wiht hindsight of his role his play around that was absolutely town. but sure, my narrative.
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Post Post #5325 (isolation #207) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:59 pm

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In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:2 scum likely left out of 12, 10:2. cool.

{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, MM4}
{Dave, Massive}
{Mary}

VOTE: mary saotome


this is scum and dies today. i am not going to even consider gerry/titus or up today, probably wont vote yumeko or mm4 either.
In post 3899, Eddie Cane wrote:
{Wave, Boon, Tiam (if you include SK reads as scum he's a row down), Eddie Cane}
{Kidamn, WhyMaf}
{MM4, Dunker, Gerry}
null - line
{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}
anyone from dave to nero that we dont lynch today is a fine vig in my books, but nero has to be the lynch if hes not the vig. i think we are going to have to mass claim tomorrow most likely.
In post 4757, skirt skirt wrote:
Spoiler: vote counts with only real flips shown
In post 3178, BigYoshiFan wrote:
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Game Replacement (11 - LYNCH):
Creature
, wavemode, TwoInAMillion,
Nero Cain
, MarioManiac4, Mary Saotome, Eddie Cane,
Flairs
, massive,
Dunkerdoodles
, gerryoat
UnaBombaH (2): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz
TwoInAMillion (2):
Game Replacement
, Boonskiies
Titus (2): KidAmn,
Assemblerotws

Mary Saotome (1):
Theta Alpine
davesaz (1):
osuka


Not Voting (2):
UnaBombaH
, Titus

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.
In post 3603, BigYoshiFan wrote:
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osuka (10 - LYNCH): MarioManiac4, Titus, TwoInAMillion,
Dunkerdoodles
, Eddie Cane,
Nero Cain
, Mary Saotome, gerryoat, Boonskiies, KidAmn
Nero Cain (1): wavemode
Titus (1):
osuka


Not Voting (8): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz,
Assemblerotws
, Mary Saotome, massive,
Theta Alpine
,
Flairs
, KidAmn

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
In post 4321, BigYoshiFan wrote:
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Nero Cain (8): Eddie Cane, wavemode, Boonskiies,
Dunkerdoodles
, gerryoat, TwoInAMillion,
Flairs
, Titus
Eddie Cane (1):
Nero Cain

Dunkerdoodles (1): MarioManiac4
Flairs (1): Mary Saotome

Not Voting (5): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz, massive, KidAmn

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

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In post 4575, BigYoshiFan wrote:
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Flairs (8): Mary Saotome, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat,
Nero Cain
, Eddie Cane,
Dunkerdoodles

Yumeko Jabami (2): KidAmn, davesaz
Dunkerdoodles (2): MarioManiac4, Titus
Titus (1):
Nero Cain

Eddie Cane (1):
Flairs

Mary Saotome (1): massive
massive (1): wavemode

Not Voting (0):

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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Spoiler: vote counts with my strong reads shown - this is what i believe to be more useful
In post 3178, BigYoshiFan wrote:
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Game Replacement (11 - LYNCH):
Creature
,
wavemode
,
TwoInAMillion
,
Nero Cain
, MarioManiac4, Mary Saotome,
Eddie Cane
,
Flairs
, massive,
Dunkerdoodles
, gerryoat
UnaBombaH (2): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz
TwoInAMillion (2):
Game Replacement
,
Boonskiies

Titus (2):
KidAmn
,
Assemblerotws

Mary Saotome (1):
Theta Alpine

davesaz (1):
osuka


Not Voting (2):
UnaBombaH
, Titus

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.
In post 3603, BigYoshiFan wrote:
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osuka (10 - LYNCH): MarioManiac4, Titus,
TwoInAMillion
,
Dunkerdoodles
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Eddie Cane, Nero Cain
, Mary Saotome, gerryoat,
Boonskiies
,
KidAmn

Nero Cain (1):
wavemode

Titus (1):
osuka


Not Voting (8): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz,
Assemblerotws
, Mary Saotome, massive,
Theta Alpine
,
Flairs
,
KidAmn


With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
In post 4321, BigYoshiFan wrote:
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Nero Cain (8):
Eddie Cane
,
wavemode
,
Boonskiies
,
Dunkerdoodles
, gerryoat,
TwoInAMillion
,
Flairs
, Titus
Eddie Cane (1):
Nero Cain

Dunkerdoodles (1): MarioManiac4
Flairs (1): Mary Saotome

Not Voting (5): Yumeko Jabami, davesaz, massive,
KidAmn


With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

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In post 4575, BigYoshiFan wrote:
V
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Flairs (7): Mary Saotome,
TwoInAMillion
,
Boonskiies
, Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat,
Nero Cain, Eddie Cane, Dunkerdoodles

Yumeko Jabami (2):
KidAmn
, davesaz
Dunkerdoodles (2): MarioManiac4, Titus
Titus (1):
Nero Cain

Eddie Cane (1):
Flairs

Mary Saotome (1): massive
massive (1):
wavemode


Not Voting (0):

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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Nero lynch gets counted for VCA, since it was, after all, a successful lynch aside from the mod error.

What's important to note is the Nero lynch did actually happen, despite the mod error, which is awesome for VCA. I don't normally do VCA because I don't like it or value it, but fuck it, this is a large and I'm bored. I'm using the second spoiler ftr, the first is only for reference.

The most important thing I notice is Titus is on both town lynches and neither scum lynches, while actively distracting from the Flairs wagon, hard pushing the Nero wagon, and in a slot that has been pushed as scum many times this game. Mulch's replace out does not carry this far, Titus has lost her townread and needs to reearn it but tbh FoS Titus. Massive looks bad too, voting Game immediately after another scum, and then voting Mary day 3. Tbf, Massive wasn't on either mislynch, but eh. Flairs lynch being all town makes sense when you see the 4 living people not on the wagon asides Wave are Dave, Mario, Titus, and Massive, aka most of the scum pool. Mario or Titus being scum makes sense too, unless you want to assume the Osuka lynch was all town (or yumeko/gerry is scum).

Yea, doing this is reminding me how little I care for VCA, I'm happy with these reads.

{skirt skirt, tiam, boon}
{kidamn, wave}
-- probably never voting above this line --
{gerry}
-- would not lynch the above today --
{yumeko}
{mary}
-- would ideally not lynch above today, but would be ok with it --
{titus, dave}
{mm4, massive}
the entire fucking game my conf towns have been right. i don't know why you guys keep insist on being dumb.
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Post Post #5326 (isolation #208) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:00 pm

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like from d3 on i think i've had a great grasp on the game
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Post Post #5328 (isolation #209) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:30 am

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In post 5327, KidAmn wrote:You also haven't been cleared IIRC

Not hard to have good grasp on the game from certain positions
sigh. second time recently people shade me for being literally too good. :) I know you don't like me yumeko, dw, I'll make sure next time I play with you guys I'll go back to my shitposting game so I don't get scumread for having good reads.
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Post Post #5329 (isolation #210) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:39 am

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or, nah, I'm sure you're right, it's only possible scum could understand tiam was obv town from d1 where I hard defended him against an impending lynch (before, during, and after the claim), wave was never scum with gr and was doubly lock town after the gunsmith part, gunsmith was town (lol @ Titus), and boon was town for being cleared by the gunsmith. this game was supposed to be easy, I don't get why people insist on getting overtaken by paranoia and trying their hardest to lose.

I'm aware I sound incredibly cocky and egotistical but honestly idgaf rn. Titus has been trying to lynch yumeko and kidamn for eternity, the latter of which she always should ve known was town. yumeko posted for half of d1 and essentially prodged the test of the game with occasional quality inputs such as "I'll sheep you mary". gerry faked to avoid a lynch, normal for him but fsr nobody ever wants to policy him for it so he keeps doing it, and then continued to try and take credit for lynches his total contribution to was naked voting, and Mary is the best one for not doing stipid shit although I'm still loling and that interaction with Nero we had. have I played a perfect game? absolutely fucking not. have some of you played well as a whole? sure. i don't even consider this one of my better games. but this game should be over and I don't get why you all are getting paranoid and voting me when I've been obv town the ENTIRE game, it's almost like with boon gone the pressures on me. :(
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Post Post #5330 (isolation #211) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:40 am

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i really wish I was better at forcing myself away from annoying games. i always end up insulting people :p
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Post Post #5332 (isolation #212) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:40 am

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thank you. vote me now.
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Post Post #5333 (isolation #213) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:02 am

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mod - vla for a week


I'm being a dick and pissing everyone off, so whatever. I'm going to not check the thread for a few days, better for everyone.
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Post Post #5352 (isolation #214) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:04 am

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gg

I didn't make any friends this game but whatevs
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Post Post #5368 (isolation #215) » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:53 pm

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dont do anything stupid til im back from backpacking in 3 days

im aware towns probably lost this because mary and titus arent gonna vote yumeko, but i'll still try. don't quicklynch me please.
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Post Post #5370 (isolation #216) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:15 am

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okay, i'm actually back. long story, disease.
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Post Post #5371 (isolation #217) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:11 am

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lets start with this wall of garbage. man, you're so lucky you have mary hard pocketed, because this shit wouldn't even have a chance of flying in most games.
In post 5369, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Image

VOTE: skirt skirt

Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.

I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.

I'm going to highlight some of the posts I have made but please do look over the rest of my posting as well.
In post 5168, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am fine with it, I was thinking about it myself. I jailkept skirt skirt.

It's notable that off of dunkers kill we should know that the last mafia member is a strongman of some sort. With towns power, I wasn't expecting it to be more than a 1 shot strongman, but if it were a two shot strongman skirt skirt could have used that to avoid a kill being stopped and to look good.

I've actually been sitting here wracking my brain over possible scenarios: Titus cannot be mafia that avoided the gunsmith because we know that the last mafia member is a strongman. Same for Mary. Kidamn is towns only investigative role (aside from a backup of his role) and I believe them as well. I went back to look over my post where I compared voting and I see that you voted all three lynched mafia. UnaBombaH also includes you as someone they would lynch when they did not do so for any other mafia member. I also saw this post from Flairs:
In post 2689, Flairs wrote:Alright, if someone will check gerry I'd be willing to get off the gerry vote

In the meantime I'm going to go look over Nero and Two
Where they call for you to be checked. I don't actually think you are mafia despite results seeming to point to it so I instead think that something else is happening here.

I think skirt skirt is the last mafia member, a 2-shot strongman.
Looking back yesterday, skirt skirt himself was the one who pushed for himself to be jailkept instead of vigged. Everybody else went along with it, but It's notable that skirt skirt was highly against being vigged in what would be assumed to be a town win scenario if everything worked out.
In post 5171, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I want to highlight that for our flipped roles:

bp bodyguard
bp enabler

We know that mafia have at least

1-shot strongman

Does anybody think this makes sense on it's own? A lone bp bodyguard needs both a bp enabler and a 1-shot strongman to counter it when there is no other protection in the game?
If you consider that I am a town non-consecutive jailkeeper the strongman makes a lot more sense belonging in this setup. And possibly even being a 2-shot strongman.
In post 5174, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5170, gerryoat wrote:and is there any role that can like, hide a gun? i mean i know doctors cant have it and traitors. so i dont think 2 mafs would have that too.
Do you agree that we know the last mafia is a strongman?
Otherwise what happened to Dunkerdoodles?

My reasoning is that since the last role is strongman it's reasonable to assume that they're probably not more than that and also able to avoid gunsmith reports. So Titus and Mary cannot be strongmen and so cannot be mafia barring major shenanigans.
In post 5181, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5172, Mary Saotome wrote:Uhhh Yumeko talk to me on this? I'm pretty sold on Gerry scum here skirts been very consistent most of the game while gerry has seemed to pop up near the end of the game and it makes sense for solo scum. I disagree with you here the panic and mass post feel like trying to buy more time and a strongman with more then 1 shot is...wha
I'm thinking about it. Yesterday skirt skirt was the one to say he should be jailkept, if he were a strongman this would be a move to make himself look mechanically cleared.
In post 5190, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5184, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5183, KidAmn wrote:Not impossible there's a godfather. Also not impossible Yumeko is lying.
UNVOTE: Don't do anything hasty.
Please acknowledge post 5171, I'm tired of you and Titus ignoring this point to reach at me.
Also, please acknowledge that the last mafia is a strongman. It is, in fact, impossible that the last mafia is a godfather that avoided a gunsmith.
In post 5302, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.

I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.

And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?

I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
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Over the night I did some additional review and I found this - I think it's interesting enough that I would have definitely pushed to lynch skirt skirt had I noticed it during the last day. Take a look at this quote, I want to call attention to my second like where I'm talking about Peregrinev and Eddie Cane:


In post 874, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 459, UnaBombaH wrote:
{osuka, Mulch, MarioManiac4}

This group is almost bound to shake, depending on future interactions between Mario and Mulch. So far I'm cool with both. I have the best feeling on osuka that I have ever had in a game so far, so I'm a little paranoid (surprise surprise!), but strongly townread him for now.

{TwoInAMillion, wavemode, Mary Soatome, Nero Cain}

My townleans, these have provided at least something solid I have agreed upon, and have not pinged my scumradar. TiaM is here because I have seen him derping around like this before, I don't think he is scum here. :lol:

{Flairs, davesaz, Dunkerdoodles, Zoki77, PeregrineV, Excession}

NULL. Not much/any content, or at least not any tone that I have been able to read.

{Creature, Eddie Cane, massive}

NULL-1. Basicly same as above, but the way they have provided little content is the part that rubs me the wrong way. For example Creature basicly announcing he is gonna lurk isn't cool in my books. Eddie Cane, WHERE ART THOU?

{Theta Alpine}

Lost in time and space.....Not exactly valid to place as null because has provided answers and questions alike, but super hard for me to place right now.

{Flavor Leaf, IgnitionUSMC}

Scumleans. Flavor might be elevating higher quite easily if his future content feels like his normal self. Ignition replacing out is probably NAI, but the timing makes it look bad, especially when I had just started to pay more attention to him.

{Yumeko Jabami}

Phoney-town. (or a very heavy player to deal with if actually town) Poses a lot of questions (which is normally great in creating content), but places them in huge walls and nitpicks everything. I do NOT get a towney vibe from this sort of.."interrogating style". I like to pose a lot of questions myself, but I don't think they hold value, if people find it hard to A) find them b) answer to them with simple formatting C) feel like they need to explain every single word they use.
Can you explain your read on osuka for me? You don't really interact with them but seem confident that they are town pretty early on.
I'm confused as to why you put people you say will likely fall in your reads later at the top? It does not make me confident in your set of reads you have presented.

Nobody else called you out on this - I noticed that you have PeregrineV and Eddie Cane at different tiers in your read list. Can you explain why this is? At this point of the game, neither of them had posted yet, and they were never directly a topic of conversation either. How can they be in different places?

There's also something else nobody called you out on here. You very clearly say - for your null tier - that they have provided no tone for you to work with. However, earlier when talking to me you told me that you weren't sure on your use of tone and try to stick to logic and intentions. To me, this feels like you are not able to keep your story straight.

You have Theta below null-1 but say they are hard to place - but you did place them. You put them below null-1, which leads me to believe that you are actually scumreading them? I'd expect them to be in your null tier otherwise.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.

Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.
Evidence doesn't stack up against me. I've played an insanely townie game, there's a reason gerry didn't omgus vote me or anything. He actually knows exactly why I voted him, but can't talk about it :x The only reason you even have a chance is because tiam shot wave over you, so I hope you realize that if you win it you only won because of a dumbass vig.
I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.
You didn't theorize SHIT. I've been doing the gamespec the entire fucking game. I'm the one who told people (hi Titus) to fuck off with kidamn scumreads, I'm the one who pointed out a limited strongman is the last mafia role. There is LITERALLY NO THEORIZING there because a minimum of 1x strongman is literally fucking confirmed due to dunkerdoodles. You literally just said you've been setting up my lynch though, so thanks. Again. There's a reason gerry pushed you and not me even as I led his lynch. This is my town game and obscenely so. The only fucking reason I haven't lynched you this game is because of Mary lock townreading you. Mary said Gerry made her doubt that, so I'm just here praying to god she rethinks.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.
If you want to push una scumreading his teammates as me being scum, maybe don't quote a post with yourself at the bottom of his reads list :lol: Or, sure, rely on one post a mafia member made for why I'm scum. Una would not scumread me as his partner though, Una thinks very highly of me. Of course, that's useless meta, but its true. You've clearly been thinking about my lynch for a few days now though, so kudos I guess for trying to bs something that doesn't mean much I won't be able to respond to...?
Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Eddie Cane not posting makes the slightest difference? Excuse me? But, I do like that you admitted you made useless walls explicitly so nobody would read them. "(that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)". Oh my god I'm gonna be pissed if I lose to this.























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In post 3150, Eddie Cane wrote:if any person doesn't vote gr I'm their next post they are scum claiming
Let's start with an awesome town case before I move onto my scum case. I did not need to shout for a GR hammer there. Let's start with the fact that if my team was dave/flairs/game/unknown traitor, game would be the last person I bus. Vedith is the only player there I think is good enough to warrant bringing to endgame. But, let's not talk about me quicklynching a partner over a day before dl (lots of time to last minute lynch someone else or just lurk out and let town do nothing lmao). A partner that had site flaked and was going to replace and possibly give me a teammate who's scum game isn't "lurk" (hi yumeko :lol:). There is no chance I, an experienced player, choose our encryptor and bus him. NO CHANCE. Look at any of my scum games, day chats are like 20 pages long plus. As scum here I 100% would've fought to the death to keep my encryptor alive because I would need it to deal with flairs and dave. This post never comes from scum Eddie and Mary probably won't know that but I'm hoping Titus does.

In post 3237, Eddie Cane wrote:{whymafia, tiam (sk is town for the purposes of these reads), wave}
{mm4, dunker, gerry}
{assemble, flairs, Nero, yumeko, mary, theta, massive, davesaz}
{boon, osuka, kidamn}
Not that this means much, but for all the shit ya'll say I never let scum in my town pile EVER. I should've stuck with my gerry read and done yumeko smh
In post 3962, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3942, TwoInAMillion wrote:Boon is the only one saying boon is conftown.

Now Boon is wanting the town to concentrate on my newbiness rather than on scumhunting.
boon isnt conf town but boon is conf town enough that youre literally just wasting time and distracting from nero's scum flip.
In post 3963, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3949, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 3948, Nero Cain wrote:I am not lynching a claimed vig.
cool. i am.
can you both stop acting like 6 year olds who got their first A+ in grade 1 and think they're better than everyone thanks
In post 3969, Eddie Cane wrote:well, boon, idrc what you're going for but look at the facts

1) not a single person in this game is going to vote tiam
2) nero is ascetic and even if you believe he's town he shouldn't last til lylo and i know for a fact you agree with this logic
3) two won't vig him
4) if two is sk he is not going to shoot me/you/kidamn/wave/gerry/dunker because that outs him as sk for the latter 5 and I think he knows I'm town
5) despite his verbal annoyingness, he vigged perfectly fine d1. i think una was a very acceptable shot. he vigged perfectly fine d2. i think assemble was a very acceptable shot. you know that i know better than anyone two can be a fucking moron, i mean he voted me not understanding what a hammer was and was "certain" i was scum, but he has played perfectly fine this game, he got me to townread him which is good and he has not done anything stupid. i dont agree with his play, and hes definitely new, but this is improvement and this is not play youre policy lynching. even IF hes sk, he is not going to shoot a pr this early because that outs him and causes him to lose. stop wasting time, i know youre better than this.
I think the most important piece is that I kept this game from falling apart. Boon was so insistent on lynching our vig as an sk (hey boon you may be better at some things but I'm better at reading bad town :lol:) and tiam was so insistent on boon being scum. I had to keep them from killing each other. I'm in awe how people can think I'm scum after that. The next 4 posts after that are the same, me convincing boon to leave tiam alone.
In post 4010, Eddie Cane wrote:{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
Wow. Both flipped scum and the last scum are 3/6ths of my vig pool. What a shocker.
In post 4241, Eddie Cane wrote:okay flairs is trying really hard to get me to vote him
In post 4323, Eddie Cane wrote:if i was vig here id vig flairs or maybe mary. up to you tiam, just words.

mod - osuka isn't voting, but...
Must be svs, right? :roll:
In post 4330, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i guess boon could still be a maf doc or traitor tho, you're not technically conf town

also the fact you are trying to derail the nero wagon is scummy
In post 4335, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4333, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i agree that 2 docs is unlikely, but who says there can be 2 traitors?
me
Can't be me keeping our conf town alive, right? Must be me pocketing boon, right?
In post 4336, Eddie Cane wrote:dunker is town btw
And not even using it to fos Dunker because I'm pocketing him too, right?
In post 4353, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4350, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4346, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4344, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4342, Eddie Cane wrote:i am ok with that if two agrees
I'm power tunneling if he doesn't agree. There's no reason for town Two not to, and I'd rather lynch SK than town today.
we aren't lynching two today dude.

think that will stop me from power tunneling?
threatening people is how you piss them off
More buddying and pocketing, I'm sure.
In post 4372, Eddie Cane wrote:okay

VOTE: flairs

im back on nero if tiam is going to be dumb and not vig nero
And back to useless bussing. Wow I sure suck as scum.
In post 4465, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4455, KidAmn wrote:
In post 4454, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs
Substantial and valid input, especially compared to your big pushes early game.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami
VOTE: yumeko jabami
In post 4466, Eddie Cane wrote:I'll vote flairs again soon
I think you just know you can't beat me without realllly reaching.
In post 4478, Eddie Cane wrote:i dont really care about titus right now, last time we played i subbed out and insulted her so i'm trying to avoid that

can you explain how the mulch replace out could ever be scum? because mulch was extremely townie to me and that replace out was a massive nail in the town coffin
In post 4479, Nero Cain wrote:I think replacing out is mostly null. And meta wise his screaming to get wagons going is pretty similar to his play in NY203. What did you find townie from him?
In post 4480, Eddie Cane wrote:i agreed with his thoguhts reading through, its not really a meta read because i haven't played with scum mulch and in the game i spectated with him as scum i already had spoilers

but replacing out is null, sure. this specific one screamed town to me though. he had a mulch temper tantrum because nobody would sheep him, just as he does every single game as town. in the end, his shouting didn't work so he rage replaced. i don't see scum mulch ever doing that. this is stronger by the fact mulch prefers playing scum, is stronger as scum, and prides himself on his scum game. i don't think a scum mulch replaces here because that is not his wincon
In post 4481, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, true, Titus is pretty wonky but if she thinks I'm scum and my lone buddy or two is pushing this Flairs wagon then she needs to explain who they are and why. This "they" stuff just seems way shallow.

And her line about there being a counter-wagon to me b/c I'm "useful" to scum seems like her goal is to shift blame to once I flip town. And again she's not naming names so...
Me convincing Nero to lay off titus. Many more quotes of this nature. But sure, I'm just pocketing more people and bussing more scum.
In post 4583, Eddie Cane wrote:just fucking do it the mods online
And of course, shouting for a hammer on my second partner., and this one has been pushing me all day. I am the king of hard bussing it seems. :lol:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:2 scum likely left out of 12, 10:2. cool.

{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, MM4}
{Dave, Massive}
{Mary}

VOTE: mary saotome


this is scum and dies today. i am not going to even consider gerry/titus or up today, probably wont vote yumeko or mm4 either.
In post 4646, Eddie Cane wrote:changed my mind

UNVOTE:
In post 4648, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:
{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Dave, Massive}
{MM4}
As long as we keep lynching and vigging yumeko/mary/dave/massive/mm4 pool i think this game is done/ gs should probably check titus/gerry/wave/myself in the mean time, particularly gerry, just for reassurance and to remove risk of double targeting.
What. A. Shocker.
In post 4688, skirt skirt wrote:we aren't lynching Mary today :/
:/
In post 4779, skirt skirt wrote:i'm happy with the game as it is now. i think town is in control (more active people) and thats how we hit gr and flairs.
Look how fucking right I was with the scum team being flairs/yumeko/dave.

This actually segways into the offensive portion of this case, which is scum!yumeko as opposed to town Eddie.

Titus, this is more to you at first. You should know that it is moderately common for scum to post a lot early in the game and then drop out because they find it hard to be involved and not get called out. Yumeko posted useless walls early d1 that he even admitted he knew nobody read and then lurked out... until literally yesterday to push me and gerry as scum and avoid getting vigged. This is classic scum, not some godly played scum. Now Mary's turn: Mary, you admitted this is abnormal play for Yumeko. I can't speak to your meta, but PLEASE think about it more. That's all I can ask. Wallposting and then lurking the entire game except for an occasional buddying popin and prodge is not town play, and I let your meta lock town read allow yumeko to coast but of course that is gonna bite me in the butt here. Yumeko has a total of 48 fucking posts. le sigh I hate scum who win by active lurking.





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So after 5 awesome wall posts he admitted nobody would read, there was nothing substantial from yumeko... period.
In post 1738, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I will catch up on this tomorrow, is there anything I should be paying special attention to?
In post 2465, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
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They declared V/LA if that is an option for this game
In post 2713, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I'll get into this tomorrow or maybe the next phase
3 useless posts.
In post 3584, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 3531, TwoInAMillion wrote:kill group is Kid, Massive, and Mary
I think circumstantial evidence from looking at UnabombaH/Excession points towards KidAmn being town

I've fairly certain that Mary is town :) - I will be upset if you vig them

I don't want to sort through the game anymore because there's a lot of meaningless content - I took a look at UnabombaH as well as Dunkerdoodles and I have a feeling that Dunkerdoodles might be mafia
Wow, you don't want your pocketed vote vigged, shocker. Looks like dunker was the next planned push.
In post 4163, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Can people sum up what they are seeing in Flairs?

As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed
Wow, you're highly against the lynch of targets that had 3 scum out of 5 people who would've been alive. What a fucking shocker.

In post 4454, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs
And you give up and continue your pocket with another useful contribution. Awesome.


To be clear, after wallpost #5 (on page 35 early d1) I've quoted literally EVERY post. This is his contribution up to d3. :lol:
In post 4636, Yumeko Jabami wrote:VOTE: massive
Useful
In post 4846, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 4826, davesaz wrote:I think that isodive on Una is great work, but it's only 2/3 right. Una tossed in a random player (me) who would genuinely be someone who hadn't been in a game with her.
I also think we're looking at a SK or even another team.
VOTE: MarioManiac4
Can you explain how you went from null reading MarioManiac4 to placing a vote on them? Yesterday you had massive in your lowest tier and he voted against a scum lynch, what changed your mind from there to MarioManiac4?
Actually, you're all over the place, including claiming there's 3 kills when it's much more likely that dunker was simply the target of a strongman kill after claiming bulletproof.

A second mafia team seems very unlikely to me with a traitor having flipped. In a game this size, two scum teams means each scum team is about 3 persons large. It would be really strange to have an effective scumteam of 2 in a pt in a 21 person game along with a traitor - plus there's the logistics of if one team has a traitor does the other team have a traitor. Everything points to this being a single ball game. Twoinamillion is the town vig, I'd say the scum team is likely 5 members large including the traitor, though the traitor doctor is questionable. I'd think the doctor on mafia would indicate that the scum team is smaller than average as it's a rather powerful ability to have. Traitor makes me think the opposite, I think those things might cancel each other out

Looking through your iso, I'm not really seeing the thought process I saw early on. It looks to me like you're saying things more to avoid being lynched than to solve the game, if that makes sense? You really are all over the place. I've noted that you brushed aside Flairs as not really having read their posts and never made mention of IgnitionUSMC/game replacement at all.

VOTE: davesaz
This is the fun part. This is such an obvious bus case it's hilarious. At this point it was already accepted we were lynching Dave so he decided to force a case there. First real contribution since d1 and its a useless mini wallpost to justify voting someone the entire game was voting to try and look townier. Fuckin A.
In post 4914, Yumeko Jabami wrote:How boring.

I looked at the scum lynches:
Flairs (8): Mary Saotome, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, Nero Cain, Eddie Cane, Dunkerdoodles
davesaz (7): Boonskiies, skirt skirt, gerryoat, wavemode, Yumeko Jabami, KidAmn, massive
Game Replacement (11): Creature, wavemode, TwoInAMillion, Nero Cain, MarioManiac4, Mary Saotome, Eddie Cane, Flairs, massive, Dunkerdoodles, gerryoat
The following players have participated in 2 mafia lynches: Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, skirt skirt, wavemode, Mary Saotome, massive, Eddie Cane, TwoInAMillion

The following players have participated in 0 mafia lynches: Titus

There's also some interactions with UnaBombah about Mulch that look off. Add to that that Mulch ignored many of the points I made against him early in the game as well as me having a bad feeling, on top of Titus seemingly defending scum players.

VOTE: Titus
Oh cool, its time for the Titus mislynch.
In post 4920, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am a nonconsecutive jailkeeper. I targeted MarioManiac on night 1 and Mary on night 3, both as protective actions. If lynching Titus does not end the game I'd want to jailkeep massive, but if he is getting shot by our vigilante I will choose a different target and announce the target before night.
Meh. Weak targets. Mary was never getting killed n3, nobody townread her... lmfao.
In post 4933, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 4930, Mary Saotome wrote:How about lynch massive
vig wave
jail skirt
check me
I think this works out best because it covers everyone here besides our pr's' this game should basically be over after that yes?
I think if wave is a pr I should jail them instead. If they would be vigged anyway, jailkeeping them instead lets them verify my action if they are town

I don't think you need to be checked, I'm certain you are town Mary. I won't need to be checked either if Wave is a pr and I jailkeep him

If Titus doesn't have a gun I'd think massive was scum, looking back the times he voted mafia were after it seemed those players would have been the lynch
Setting up the massive lynch and pocketing Mary. Coolios.






Bored of PBPA and honestly PBPA doesn't make a good case anyways because its always confbiased. What does make a good case, however, is that that is EVERY POST SINCE EARLY D1. Yumeko posted 5 useless walls he acknowledged nobody would read and then proceeded to do literally nothing the entire game.



So, Mary and Titus. If you're going to vote me you need to talk to me first. Last game I played I was mislynched (still led to town winning with all the fuss I put up) as doc d4 after successfully saving 2 people because nobody would read my cases and just voted me anyways. I'm not going to give up just because Yumeko has been pocketing Mary all game and Titus seemingly forgets I made her fuck off Kidamn tunnel.
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Post Post #5372 (isolation #218) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:29 am

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VOTE: yumeko jabami [/v
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Post Post #5377 (isolation #219) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:55 am

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In post 5373, Mary Saotome wrote:Before I read the walls let me list my main concerns on both of you

Yumeko-I was looking back at you and a lot of your actions seem to be pinning others on why they're scum and not reasons why you can't be and the only thing I see that points to you saying you can't be scum is you preaching over and over about your jailkeep claim that is in no way provable yes you claimed early (I believe) but this was around there was 1 mafia left and you had nothing left to lose I'm also questioning why I'm alive I feel like I was 100% going to die after the flairs lynch because I pushed it so hard I'm extremely worried the reason I am alive this far into the game is because I had a read wrong along the road and it's you that has me in your pocket

Skirt-Honestly a huge reason I had (or am depending how you look at it) a tr on you was because of your tone do you get this upset as scum can you link me some of your scum games? I feel like a lot of your actions don't really make a ton of sense and the thing with you acting jail kept etc felt like a slip and you knowing you were jail kept it was a weird switch for me

Over all I want to talk to Titus before I vote and this is going to be a lot harder than I thought it would be.
only mobile, click my profile and Eddie Cane and click view topics. My two scum games since I returned were a micro and a normal, won both, id recommend you also look at my town games since I've returned, I think there's like 5. I don't think I can be metad but I also usually only get overly atey and angry as town (have only done it as scum like once cause havingfitz annoyed the fuck out of me), which is something. Me being jailed made no difference because the last scum is a proven strongman (hey! a strongman claiming protective! lmfao), but I haven't "scum slipped" in the 4 years I've been playing mafia plus a scum Eddie who was jailed and strongman killed tiam wouldn't have known he was jailed amyways.... eh.
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Post Post #5378 (isolation #220) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:57 am

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In post 5376, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:2 scum likely left out of 12, 10:2. cool.

{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, MM4}
{Dave, Massive}
{Mary}

VOTE: mary saotome


this is scum and dies today. i am not going to even consider gerry/titus or up today, probably wont vote yumeko or mm4 either.
In post 4646, Eddie Cane wrote:changed my mind

UNVOTE:
What caused this in the matter of 3 minutes you were very confident on my scum flip and stopped in the matter of minutes and defended me forever after that.
I'm a tone reader, tone readers like myself and rb do that frequently. I did the same thing several other times this game alone and pretty much any of my town or scum games you look at. This particularly, don't remember what but I read something that made me flip my read on you. Tone reading has it's issues which is why things like me and Nero happen but overall it's how I do best at reads wise, though i had Nero ad town lean anyways at the end. I also did thst with voting you then voting flairs iirc. The reason I was fosing you was for that "take over the game" comment or whatever, but I reconsidered.
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Post Post #5379 (isolation #221) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:58 am

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have you read my wall yet?
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Post Post #5382 (isolation #222) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:11 am

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In post 5380, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5373, Mary Saotome wrote:Before I read the walls let me list my main concerns on both of you

Yumeko-I was looking back at you and a lot of your actions seem to be pinning others on why they're scum and not reasons why you can't be and the only thing I see that points to you saying you can't be scum is you preaching over and over about your jailkeep claim that is in no way provable yes you claimed early (I believe) but this was around there was 1 mafia left and you had nothing left to lose I'm also questioning why I'm alive I feel like I was 100% going to die after the flairs lynch because I pushed it so hard I'm extremely worried the reason I am alive this far into the game is because I had a read wrong along the road and it's you that has me in your pocket

Skirt-Honestly a huge reason I had (or am depending how you look at it) a tr on you was because of your tone do you get this upset as scum can you link me some of your scum games? I feel like a lot of your actions don't really make a ton of sense and the thing with you acting jail kept etc felt like a slip and you knowing you were jail kept it was a weird switch for me

Over all I want to talk to Titus before I vote and this is going to be a lot harder than I thought it would be.
Look at how I interacted with mafia wagons?
What's crazy to me is that from your perspective I would have had to have bussed basically my entire team (Including the traitor, you and I both know I wouldn't have missed an obvious traitor signal like that if I was mafia) without ever really making a show of it up to the point where I was set to be vigged.
Again, you think if I was making some play for towncred by bussing my entire team I'd speak up before the vig shot at me. For me to be mafia I'd have to be basically letting myself get run over.

I don't really get what you mean by saying pinning others as scum? I think I've argued plenty as to why I'm not really scum last day phase - maybe this is a miscommunication?

The reason you are alive is because after the Flairs lynch all mafia kills have been town power roles. It is what it is, I think you deserved to be killed over dunkerdoodles and boonskies and think this will be the reason skirt skirt loses. Lastly, I told you skirt skirt was mafia. I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt today.
Excuse me? you didn't interact shit with the mafia wagons. you idled literally from 30% into d1 and missed the full gr wagon (didn't even address him), you voted flairs when the lynch was happening and literally did it by sheeping Mary, and you voted dave after boon pointed out how una had scum slipped and again it was inevitable. you didn't help with any scum lynch, or any town lynch, you did nothing past page 25 of this game. you had no choice about the vig, I was calling shots, and again it's fucking bullshit that you would've argued because that literally would've just outed you as scum, same with jking the vig.

and finally, your last line is literally pathetic. "I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt" is exactly why you let the gunsmith live knowing they weren't targeting me. even in this post im replying to you're going the buddying Mary route. smh dude
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Post Post #5383 (isolation #223) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:11 am

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In post 5380, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5373, Mary Saotome wrote:Before I read the walls let me list my main concerns on both of you

Yumeko-I was looking back at you and a lot of your actions seem to be pinning others on why they're scum and not reasons why you can't be and the only thing I see that points to you saying you can't be scum is you preaching over and over about your jailkeep claim that is in no way provable yes you claimed early (I believe) but this was around there was 1 mafia left and you had nothing left to lose I'm also questioning why I'm alive I feel like I was 100% going to die after the flairs lynch because I pushed it so hard I'm extremely worried the reason I am alive this far into the game is because I had a read wrong along the road and it's you that has me in your pocket

Skirt-Honestly a huge reason I had (or am depending how you look at it) a tr on you was because of your tone do you get this upset as scum can you link me some of your scum games? I feel like a lot of your actions don't really make a ton of sense and the thing with you acting jail kept etc felt like a slip and you knowing you were jail kept it was a weird switch for me

Over all I want to talk to Titus before I vote and this is going to be a lot harder than I thought it would be.
Look at how I interacted with mafia wagons?
What's crazy to me is that from your perspective I would have had to have bussed basically my entire team (Including the traitor, you and I both know I wouldn't have missed an obvious traitor signal like that if I was mafia) without ever really making a show of it up to the point where I was set to be vigged.
Again, you think if I was making some play for towncred by bussing my entire team I'd speak up before the vig shot at me. For me to be mafia I'd have to be basically letting myself get run over.

I don't really get what you mean by saying pinning others as scum? I think I've argued plenty as to why I'm not really scum last day phase - maybe this is a miscommunication?

The reason you are alive is because after the Flairs lynch all mafia kills have been town power roles. It is what it is, I think you deserved to be killed over dunkerdoodles and boonskies and think this will be the reason skirt skirt loses. Lastly, I told you skirt skirt was mafia. I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt today.
Excuse me? you didn't interact shit with the mafia wagons. you idled literally from 30% into d1 and missed the full gr wagon (didn't even address him), you voted flairs when the lynch was happening and literally did it by sheeping Mary, and you voted dave after boon pointed out how una had scum slipped and again it was inevitable. you didn't help with any scum lynch, or any town lynch, you did nothing past page 25 of this game. you had no choice about the vig, I was calling shots, and again it's fucking bullshit that you would've argued because that literally would've just outed you as scum, same with jking the vig.

and finally, your last line is literally pathetic. "I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt" is exactly why you let the gunsmith live knowing they weren't targeting me. even in this post im replying to you're going the buddying Mary route. smh dude
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Post Post #5384 (isolation #224) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:12 am

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In post 5381, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Also I don't think bulletproof scum makes a lot of sense since there was a doctor traitor - how much protective power does the mafia team get...? Furthermore, a mafia goon already flipped. There shouldn't be two power roles stacked on one mafia.
what does this even mean
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Post Post #5385 (isolation #225) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:47 am

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o.ou.u
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Post Post #5387 (isolation #226) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:18 am

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did you review my past games?
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Post Post #5389 (isolation #227) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:20 am

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question. is it likely yumeko has been online the past days and throughout the thread? because if he's legitimately super busy irl that's not anything but if he's been online and actively avoided posting that's a strong scum tell, the less expeirenced he is the more it is so. you know him better than I do so you can weigh in on both of those.
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Post Post #5390 (isolation #228) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:21 am

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I'm glad you're not just locking him as town and losing the game, I hate when people tunnel beyond sense (hi robb, twoface, etc).
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Post Post #5393 (isolation #229) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:07 am

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In post 5372, skirt skirt wrote:VOTE: yumeko jabami [/v
bye
because typo

VOTE: yumeko jabami
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Post Post #5394 (isolation #230) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:07 am

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VOTE: yumeko jabami

lol
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Post Post #5398 (isolation #231) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:05 pm

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In post 5397, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I'm really not mafia Mary, what adds up to me being scum? Just you being alive?

I haven't been avoiding the thread, I've been waiting for you and Titus. I don't have a reason to respond to skirt skirt alone.
considering I raised a bunch of points about you you absolutely do have a reason to respond to skirt skirt. you've been avoiding this thread... the entire game. with your complete 0 content between a quarter through d1 and d6. have you been waiting for Mary and Titus since page 35?
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Post Post #5401 (isolation #232) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:26 pm

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In post 5399, Mary Saotome wrote:I feel like a lot of the points you've shown for you being town (Jail keeper how you keeping a strong man is so low) are points that can't be proven. The only thing that you have going for you is you asking to be vigged. I had a really really big tr on you based on town and how you've acted but I really can't tell if I'm being bias or maybe you knew what I tr. The one thing you've shown to sr eddie is the unba interaction and it feels like that's the one statement you've made.

If you asked me to vote based on any day before this I'd vote skirt in a heartbeat

but if you asked me to vote based on today alone I'd vote you in a heartbeat
He didn't ask to be vigged.
In post 5302, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.

I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.

And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?

I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
This was his defense, but in reality its bullshit. Particularly, third paragraph. He would've lost, sure. But I was the one suggesting to vig him, Tiam had already expressed discontent with me before, he had no opportunity to argue to change the shit and honestly had to chance it. What exactly could he have said? I've been directing the vigs and lynches for that matter most of the game, and it was my pool, and everyone agreed to it. He also tried to argue earlier that he would've jailed tiam, but that
literally outs him as scum
. That was not ever an option and is just him covering his ass.

Mary, why excactly would you have voted me over yumeko any other day? Post d1 he
literally has not posted content
. He's sheeped you once and otherwise has had no involvement in the game. Coasting scum. You've even acknowledged he's playing differently.

But, we want to talk about the vig. Okay.
In post 4010, Eddie Cane wrote:{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
In post 4163, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Can people sum up what they are seeing in Flairs?

As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed
The list of targets has 2 flipped scum and a third one unflipped. One of the three town there was getting lynched (nero). Wow. Guess what people there agreed to the vig pool? Nero, Mary, and Massive from memory. Guess who didn't comment on it? Dave and Flairs. Guess who the ONLY PERSON AGAINST IT WAS? Yumeko. So if your best defense is "vig", try the fuck again, because that's a huge red flag that Yumeko is just scum.
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Post Post #5402 (isolation #233) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:29 pm

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In post 5374, Mary Saotome wrote:Maybe I was just really really bias and I should take gerry's advice here although why would Yumeko be okay getting vig shot? BP maybe hm I don't know
I never answered this directly but if you don't see the answer for it in my walls lmk.
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Post Post #5404 (isolation #234) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:59 pm

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But I'd have gladly proven my jailkeep ability when I claimed it, we could have planned around me roleblocking the vigilante. People thought that even if I was a jailkeeper I could still be scum though so I didn't push for that.
Wow. A joat with a roleblocker shot. I definitely didn't suggest that ages ago. Of course, that isn't even necessarily the case, because you never brought anything like that up...
I didn't ask to be vigged, I was against you being vigged .
because you lost if the person in your pocket would've died, titus had been scumreading you already, and gerry clearly scumread you over me yesterday, correct? After all,
I thought you knwe I was town.
Well let's talk then, I why do you think I'm scum based on today?
can i answer? a town mindset is to convince everyone you're town. you've already addressed me like you knew i was town in previous days. whereas, you ignored the MANY valid points I brought up against you today in favor of a garbage "wallpost" and trying to slide mary further into your pocket. There's still tons for you to go reply to, go wild. Or keep ignoring it and trying to pocket mary again.
I feel you aren't really giving me credit for all the things I've said
all 58 things you've said, right? and virtually every relevant one being d0.25/d6/d7?
Yesterday I tried to talk to you about skirt skirt too, I've thought he was scum over gerryoat.
wow. realizing myself and gerry would have to be the lynches. *shocker*
I think gerryoat is spending a lot of time trying to figure out hypotheticals we shouldn't act on. The chance that there's a strongman that is immune to gunsmith shots or that there are two mafia is so much lower than the chance that there is 1 mafia between gerry/skirt skirt that the second option is the one worth pursuing (as opposed to putting on a tin foil hat and thinking people who should be clear aren't)
wow. you sure did try to talk hard about skirt skirt yesterday. definitely wasn't just setting up the lynch today with general shade. :lol:
I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.
wait? you've been voting for scum all game? you've sure helped a TON in lynching dave, flairs, and game. how could we ever have lynched them without boon finding una slipping partners, you blindly sheeping mary as your first post in like 3 day phases whne the lynch is inevitable, and not even being on the lynch or having posted in 60 pages? thank you so much for your help! you didn't abandon your team, persay, but i guess you did, because you let them do all the work while you idled although they did the exact same thing. /sigh
I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives.
i love a good wifom debate, no sarcasm. you took a risk because it was obvious at that point you got lynched over me and you had to try something. try again?
Oh, I see the flailing you were talking about now.
this is more of you trying to talk to mary about lynching me yesterday, right?
And we've been playing in this game for over a real life month - why do your votes still follow the guidelines for the vote counter? Do you think the rest of us should be in awe of you when you have trouble following simple directions? You being rude and frankly grandstanding about your contributions when you've made many mistakes and mispushes yourself does not make me feel good about you as a player.
i do love how this is the avenue you used to push me though, this is DEFINITELY a game breaking find from you in your awe-inspiring expedition to show mary i'm scum, right?









lemme give you some advice yumeko: don't lurk the full game as scum. it is active lurking and it is something that will not make you many friends on this site. as abraisive as i am, i still have lots of friends here, so i don't care for your personal attacks that have no game relevance.
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Post Post #5405 (isolation #235) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:00 pm

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now, i'll help you out here cause i'm so nice. go reply to my last wall and the one above, because there's a whooooole lot that shows why you're scum and you ignoring it does not look good.
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Post Post #5408 (isolation #236) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:45 pm

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This is skirt skirt's reaction after I say we should jailkeep mary instead and the vig target moves onto skirt skirt. He is strongly against being shot - he very much wants to be jailkept here because he is a strongman and this looks very good for him. Him getting shot means he loses. This isn't the reaction of town who is making an auto win plan.
ahahahah this is the best you've got?

there was no auto win plan. there was only an autowin from a view where you're conf town, and that's naive and why gerry was so off base. the closest to conf town was wave, which is why i wanted you vigged (would've been auto win), but no, tiam had to ignore me. i've already gone in depth and explained why i didn't want to get vigged but good fucking try kiddo.
All of a sudden, the gunsmith check switches from me to mary and the thread is closed in about thirty minutes in what was basically a speedlynch. No time for me to challenge the action change. I am against the vig shot on me at this time because I believe it is better to check me and allow me to use my action again if the game has not ended by the time I get my next action. I briefly consider jailkeeping twoinamillion - my thinking is this prevents twoinamillion from shooting me, confirms my role, and prevents twoinamillion from dying if he is targeted. In hindsight, this would have been the correct choice. At the time, I hadn't realized that mafia could not act and kill at the same time (I realized this early into the day.) I thought me jailkeeping twoinamillion would be the selfish play, and that I'd continue being heavily suspected and ultimately be lynched. Letting myself die and following what everybody expected me to do seemed to be the team play. I also trusted that you (Mary) would close out the game.
this is where you fuck up though, because its not basically a speed lynch. the person you're trying so hard to pocket is the one who hammered, and one scum alive can't do anything called a "speedlynch". you also literally just said you were against the vig shot on you, and the big argument mary had for you being town was you being okay with being vigged which you just said you weren't but you didn't have time to post... so good job removing the only reason for you being town.


but, this is a great wallpost that says absolutely nothing and just tries to push a bullshit narrative while still ignoring the many points brought up for you being scum - note this discounts none of them but instead proves some being true.

:)
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Post Post #5409 (isolation #237) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:47 pm

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In post 5407, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5062, gerryoat wrote:Wut the hell is the point of having a bp enabler with a strong arm.
In post 5063, skirt skirt wrote:its probably a limited strong arm. 2x, or something like joat with one shotb eing a strongman one.
Why does skirt skirt's mind jump to a 2-shot strongman?

Isn't that a pretty weird assumption to make?
In post 5077, massive wrote:I feel like I've fallen into the "this is an autowin" mindset and I'm not being useful enough. Lynching me doesn't win.

This is osuka's lynch:

osuka
(10 - LYNCH):
MarioManiac4
, WhyMafia (now Titus),
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Dunkerdoodles
, Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt),
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KidAmn


If I'm scum then this is all-town on town which I think I've seen happen ONCE in fifteen years.

Also note that this puts me on both scum lynches and NOT on the town lynch.
Then there's this - I've updated the coloring to match the current game state.
go review past games. 2x or joat are the common strongman types. play more and you'll understand game spec and why i've known wave/kid/5 scum/other things for a while. i'm good at setup spec, it comes with experience. as for one day of vca spec, want me to link an all town on town lynch? or two? or three? i think this happens in like half the games i've seen recently. but if we're leeching off others, mary/titus, review gerry's posts about yumeko. :)
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Post Post #5412 (isolation #238) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:31 pm

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In post 5410, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary, this is at you again, I want to discuss with you. I know there's the suggestion that I can be a scum jack of all trades with both a strongman and a roleblock but I think that idea is silly.

My first point against it is that I believe a combination of strongman and roleblocker is too strong to both be on one mafia member. Remember, this is a normal game. I wouldn't be against that in a theme game, where town also had better roles... here, just looking at the other mafia flips:

Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Doctor Traitor
Mafia 2-shot Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Encryptor isn't really much of anything in terms of power - it's worth about as much as a good, maybe less because that could just be a mechanic without the ability to lose day talk.
Doctor Traitor is a strong role. Being a traitor (and a doctor) means this role appears as innocent to the gunsmith. This role provides some protection against the town vigilante.
2-shot rolecop is a fairly powerful investigative ability. Setup-spec wise this becomes important for my second point.

We know the last mafia has a strongman ability at the very least. This is a strong ability, bypassing the bodyguard directly (ignoring me for now to offer a more fair perspective to you).
If it was a joat, it would need at least 3 abilities, do you agree on this? Just roleblocker strongman doesn't make sense because there's also a good so those two abilities could be split between them.
So we're at roleblocker + strongman right now - this is currently the strongest role mafia would have, but we're not done because joat's have 3 abilities at minimum right?

We'll call that my second point - this mafia role would be vastly and surprisingly more powerful than any other role on it's team or in the game.

This brings me to my third point, which is that there really isn't anything left for a mafia joat to be past strongman and roleblocker.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... rmal_Roles

Take a look at this, I want to know your opinion here, I'm getting into heavy setup spec. These are normal roles - I think it's fair to assume we're using only explicitely whitelisted roles for this last ability?


Passive roles don't make sense on a joat - that's just how I understand it. Regardless, we can cross out things like universal backup because there is a vig in the game (too strong combination), we can cross out bodyguard because there is a traitor doctor.

Active Protective roles also don't make sense for that reason - mafia already has a doctor. This includes commuter but that's an even stronger role.

Investigative roles don't make sense because there is a 2-shot rolecop. That's already plenty of investigative power... remember, if you assume I am a mafia joat, town only has 4 things that can be checked (ascetic can't be checked).

The only role that actually makes sense in my mind for this theoretical joat to have is neighborizor. So if you agree with my reasoning above, you would think theoretically if I had this crazy role I would have neighborized UnaBombaH at the start when they got shot? Otherwise I would have neighborized you over the course of the game. Also, scum neighborizor with a powerful traitor is a really weird interaction, so even this is unlikely.
Yumeko, this is at you again. Nice wall of absolute fucking garbage that literally means nothing. First of all, your roleblock isn't proven and you never said you should prove it so stop acitng like any of that happened ever. But hey, for fun, lets treat your post as if itw as because that means nothing.

My first point against it is that I believe a combination of strongman and roleblocker is too strong to both be on one mafia member. Remember, this is a normal game. I wouldn't be against that in a theme game, where town also had better roles... here, just looking at the other mafia flips:
Um... no?? That's absolutely a reasonable combination for a scum joat. Its significantly weaker than a seperate roleblocker and a strongman since they can't be used the same night, and it limits it cleaner than two 1x roles.

Encryptor isn't really much of anything in terms of power - it's worth about as much as a good, maybe less because that could just be a mechanic without the ability to lose day talk.
Doctor Traitor is a strong role. Being a traitor (and a doctor) means this role appears as innocent to the gunsmith. This role provides some protection against the town vigilante.
2-shot rolecop is a fairly powerful investigative ability. Setup-spec wise this becomes important for my second point.
Um... no?? Not all mods give day chat, encryptor is not "just as good as a goon"....... Traitor was already immune to the gunsmith so doctor doesn't even help with that so it just helps with the vig. Combining them is significantly weaker. It is also far more punishing to mafia since they can lynch their traitor with bad play. 2-shot rolecop is not a fairly powerful player when the game is this size, but okay...

We know the last mafia has a strongman ability at the very least. This is a strong ability, bypassing the bodyguard directly (ignoring me for now to offer a more fair perspective to you).
If it was a joat, it would need at least 3 abilities, do you agree on this? Just roleblocker strongman doesn't make sense because there's also a good so those two abilities could be split between them.
So we're at roleblocker + strongman right now - this is currently the strongest role mafia would have, but we're not done because joat's have 3 abilities at minimum right?
And if towns only protection is a bp bg then only a single shot of strongman makes perfect sense, or two at most, because you don't want to nullify an already weak and temporary protective role. The only point of a strongman shot is to make town not have a good shot of auto winning upon massclaim and follow the copping the gs. same reason doc traitor is a thing. A) joat don't need three abilities, but B) who knows what the third should could be, maybe a neighbourize or something unused. doesn't really make a difference, you're so far into wifom city at this point and it doesn't even help game spec. joats do not need three abilities at minimum, though, no, and you seemingly fail to grasp that a joat is marketdly weaker than a seperate strongman and rber because they can only use one a night and it puts far more pressure on keeping a person alive which can screw scum over. note how you conveniently are the last scum living? :thinking:
We'll call that my second point - this mafia role would be vastly and surprisingly more powerful than any other role on it's team or in the game.
um, no? "vastly and surprisngly" is actually fucking hilarious though. are you a writer? because unfortunately adding fluff like "vastly and surprisingly" does not help game solve, and is a legitimate tell that people are lying (psychology 101 I can cite sources if needed), but hey, if you wanna go write a short story about your adventures in mafia then feel free to use garbage filler like that. it is not "vastly more powerful" either, rolecop and doctor are strong roles...?
Take a look at this, I want to know your opinion here, I'm getting into heavy setup spec. These are normal roles - I think it's fair to assume we're using only explicitely whitelisted roles for this last ability?


Passive roles don't make sense on a joat - that's just how I understand it. Regardless, we can cross out things like universal backup because there is a vig in the game (too strong combination), we can cross out bodyguard because there is a traitor doctor.

Active Protective roles also don't make sense for that reason - mafia already has a doctor. This includes commuter but that's an even stronger role.

Investigative roles don't make sense because there is a 2-shot rolecop. That's already plenty of investigative power... remember, if you assume I am a mafia joat, town only has 4 things that can be checked (ascetic can't be checked).
A load of useless garbage. Your argument for being town is that there's an unkown third joat role to go with your unproven roleblocker shot and a strongman shot. Commuter, random other role, neighbourizer, all make sense. 2x strongman 2x roleblock. 1x strongman 1x rb 1x bg. 1x strongman 1x jk. there's tons of possibilities and this is not anything like an argument for you being town.




yumeko, i want to make something clear. i enjoy fighting a scum who plays well and actually puts up a fight. if you're going to attack me personally and ignore all of my valid points to try harder to peddle bullshit and pocket mary, after spending an ENTIRE GAME AVOIDING THE THREAD ACTIVELY, that's pathetic and your "low opinion of me" is reflected right back at you.
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Post Post #5413 (isolation #239) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:31 pm

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now, gonna go out. peace :)
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Post Post #5414 (isolation #240) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:37 pm

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I have nothing against you yumeko, yet. just please realize the way you're going for the win is slimy.
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Post Post #5415 (isolation #241) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:48 pm

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ftr, i'm gonna step back now. mary, feel free to interact with yumeko. keep in mind a hypothetical scum!him's sole focus is to pocket you right now, so please just try your best to analyze unbiasedly. I know nobody likes someone butting into everything, so have your time with him 1 on 1.
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Post Post #5422 (isolation #242) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:29 pm

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" I think skirt claiming your a joat is a big reach but town or scum reach I don't know"
nitpick, but i didn't say he was, i said its possible, and mafia joats aren't that uncommon. this was only in response to his entire argument being town being "lol i'm jk not strongman", i pointed out even in a world where he's proven jk he's not town.


sorry i'll shut up again
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Post Post #5424 (isolation #243) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:40 pm

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do you have any questions for me?

do you agree that yumeko is realllly reaching in his arguments and ignoring my valid points again to enter wifom city for no reason?
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Post Post #5429 (isolation #244) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:00 pm

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Game 1496: The Cash Cabd
Moderator: Cabd
Current Update: Town Win

Players
notscience replaces Fegelein, Mafia Encryptor, lynched Day 4
Titus replaces FuDuzn who replaced Banksys Flareon, Vanilla Townie, survives
GuyInFreezer replaces Sound of Silence, Town Compulsive One-Shot Neighborizer, survives
Rail Tracer, Town Odd-Night Cop, survives
artemiskitty, Vanilla Townie, survives
Cephrir replaces Ranawey who replaced Humble Poirot, Town Compulsive Even-Night Hider, died Night 2
Brian Skies, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 3
beastcharizard replaces Mario and the Diamonds, Vanilla Townie, survives
Rebel Without a Pulse, Town Miller Doctor, survives
ProHawk replaces Mogamma who replaced HopefullyCynical, Vanilla Townie, survives
Natirasha replaces Saki, Mafia One-Shot Strongman, lynched Day 2
Daniel Bryan replaces zakk, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1
Dessew, Vanilla Townie, died Night 1



Mini 1559: The 80s!
Moderator: toolenduso
Current Update: Town Win

Players
DOMO, Town Two-Shot Day Gun Inventor, died night 3
Elyse, Town Jailkeeper, survived
Egg, Town Cop, died night 2
farside22, Vanilla Townie, survived
Rhinox, Vanilla Townie, survived
havingfitz replaced Klick who replaced Kcdaspot, Mafia Two-Shot Strongman, lynched day 4
kushm4sta, Vanilla Townie, survived
skitzomaniak, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
pisskop, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
SiX replaced GuyInFreezer, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Jake from State Farm, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
bjc, Mafia Rolecop, lynched day 2
evilpacman18, Vanilla Townie, died night 2


Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery
Moderator: BipolarChemist
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players
Cheery Dog replaced Boonskiies, Vanilla Town, lynched day 5
Aneninen, Vanilla Town, died night 5
Misaka Network, Vanilla Town, lynched day 2
sthar8 replaced BroodKingEXE, Vanilla Town, endgamed day 6
chaoslord54, Town Tracker, died night 3
evilpacman18, Vanilla Town, lynched day 6
Riddleton Replaced Antihero) who replaced Jakuzure Nonon, Vanilla Town, lynched day 3
Guyett replaced Super Mario, Mafia Strongman, survived
don_johnson, Town Jailkeeper, died night 2
startfromtheheart, Town Bodyguard, died night 4
Konowa, Mafia Traitor, lynched day 4
Chevre, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
reinoe, Vanilla Town, died night 1


Mini 1757
Moderator: BulletNLynchproof
Current Update: Town Win

Playerlist
Zulfy, Town Mason, survived
Alchemist21, Vanilla Townie, survived
Madonna, Vanilla Townie, survived
Nosferatu, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
droog replaced Chumba, Mafia Goon, lynched day 6
BlueBloodedToffee, Town Mason, died night 1
Golden Robster replaced Performer, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 5
UpTooLate, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Dwlee99, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
Bitten10minutesago replaced Heat, Mafia 1-shot Strongman, lynched day 4
RadiantCowbells replaced Albert B. Rampage, Town Jailkeeper, died night 5
TheCow, Vanilla Townie, died night 2
Boonskiies, Town Motion Detector, survived

Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood
Moderator: DiamondSentinel
Current Update: Mafia Win

Playerlist
Dwlee99, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 4
Ricastle, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
Some Random Mafia Player, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
Aristophanes, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Persivul replaced Skullmaster4, Mafia Goon, survived
hasta_la_pasta, Town Doctor, endgamed day 4
Garmr, Town Tracker, died night 3
Nosferatu, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, survived
droog replaced DrCirno, Mafia 1-Shot Roleblocker, survived
Antihero replaced JohnnyFarrar, Town Cop, died night 2
Number_0ne, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
insanity018, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
Lowell, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 4



Mini 1796 | May 13th
Moderator: Creature
Current Update: Mafia Win

Playerlist
Tommy Mafia Goon, Lynched D3
Raskolnikov Town Cop, Killed N2
drmyshottyizsik Town 1-shot Bulletproof, Lynched D1
Lowell Vanilla Town, Lynched D6
Dunnstral Vanilla Town, Killed N1
Zachstralkita Vanilla Town, Killed N4
Infinity 324 nnn_thekushmountains² Vanilla Town, Lynched D2
AlpacaAlpaca Blue Yoshi Vanilla Town, Lynched D4
Transcend Mafia 1-shot Strongman, Survived
JarJarDrinks Vanilla Town, Endgamed D6
Trivium Vanilla Town, Killed N3
inspectorscout Town Jailkeeper, Endgamed D6
Bacde Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades (Tracker/Watcher/Rolecop), Lynched D5


Mini Normal 1823
Moderator: mhsmith0
Current Update: Mafia Win

Playerlist
Xkfyu, vanilla townie, Endgamed day 4
Lowell, vanilla townie, killed night one
Vedith replaced eagerSnake, mafia encryptor, lynched day three
xSoniaNevermindx, mafia 1-shot strongman, survived
Transcend, vanilla townie, lynched day one
BlackStar, mafia goon, survived
TierShift, vanilla townie, lynched day four
algebra, town doctor, killed night two
gerryoat, town tracker, lynched day two
Mimikyu, vanilla townie, killed night three
texcat, town vigilante, killed night three
dwlee99 replaced Zyf, town 1-shot bulletproof, endgamed day 4
Saru, vanilla townie, killed night two


Mini Normal 1825
Moderator: Accountant
Current Update: Over [awaiting archiving]

Playerlist
Glitch, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
House replaced gameplay506, Mafia Neapolitan, lynched day 3
BlueBloodedToffee replaced Comparing Realities, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 6
Saru, Mafia Night One Strongman, lynched day 5
Titus replaced pitoli, Vanilla Townie, died night 4
Expedience replaced Naomi-Tan, Town Jailkeeper, died night 2
Dierfire, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
rb, Vanilla Townie, endgamed
SpyreX replaced RyanK, Town One-Shot Vigilante, died night 5
MathBlade replaced golden009, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
Chuck, Mafia Goon, won
camn replaced Cass, Town Rolecop, died night 3
Martha Zolanski, Town Doctor, died night 1



Mini Normal 1848
Moderator: keyenpeydee
Current Update: Ended [Awaiting archiving]
Playerlist
Road Kamelot replaced MisaTange, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
ArcAngel9 replaced ThinkBig, Town Jailkeeper, survived
Toto, Mafia Goon, lynched day 2
Nero Cain replaced Lohikäärme, Mafia Goon, lynched day 4
Drone, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, lynched day 1
rb replaced DeathByWobbuffet replaced copper223, Vanilla Townie, survived
Human Sequencer, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
MortFeld, Vanilla Townie, survived
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, survived
TwoFace, One-Shot Town Vigilante, killed night 2
Naomi-Tan, Vanilla Townie, survived
ChaosOmega, Town Odd Night Cop, survived
Shadow_step rep. Creeps20, Vanilla Townie, survived


Mini 1860
Moderator: eagerSnake
Current Update: Game Over [Awaiting Archiving]

Playerlist
PsychoticDave, Town Doctor, killed night 1
keyenpeydee, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
TwoFace, Vanilla Townie, survived
JarJarDrinks, Town Roleblocker, killed night 3
Gamma Emerald, Town Vigilante, survived
-Grey-, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, lynched day 2
ssbm_Kyouko, Town 1-Shot Commuter, killed night 2
havingfitz replaced Vijarada, Vanilla Townie, survived
gerryoat, Mafia Watcher, lynched day 4
Tywin Lannister, Town Cop, killed night 2
CloudKicker GreyIce replaced Gear, Mafia Roleblocker, killed day 4
Raskolnikov, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, killed night 4


Spoiler:
Mini 1873
Moderator: mastina
Current Update: Game Over (Awaiting Archiving)

Player list
shannon, Town JOAT (Doctor, Jailkeeper, Bodyguard), endgamed
BlueBloodedToffee, Vanilla Townie, killed night 3
TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaced nydushermain, Town JOAT (Cop, Gunsmith, Neapolitan), endgamed
LicketyQuickety, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
Titus, replaced Pepchoninga, Town JOAT (Tracker/Follower/Motion Detector), lynched day 4
Lexa, Mafia JOAT (Ninja, Strongman, Roleblocker), survived
karnos,
Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
ThinkBig replaced KTthecreeper, Vanilla Townie, killed night 4
Alisae, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Garmr, Vanilla Townie turned Neutral Survivor, modkilled day 4
XnadrojX, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
All Alone, Town JOAT, killed night 2
PranaDevil, Mafia Goon, survived



Mini 1892
Moderator: drealmerz7
Current update: Over [Awaiting Archiving]

Player List
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, killed night 2
ThinkBig replaced momo, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
Desully, 2-Shot Town Vigilante, killed night 2
FrankJaeger, 1-Shot Strongman 1-Shot Bulletproof Serial Killer, survived
Superhans, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
JaeReed replaced nancy replaced ConManMick, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, killed night 4
Nero Cain, Mafia Goon, lynched day 3
LicketyQuickety, Town Bodyguard, lynched day 1
alban, 2-Shot Mafia Roleblocker, killed night 1
Creature replaced bjc0303, Town Compulsive Bodyguard, killed night 2
Fart, Town Jailkeeper, killed night 1
Ms Columbo, Vanilla Townie, killed night 3
horrordude0215, Town Jailkeeper, killed night 4



Mini Normal 1925
Moderator: Dierfire
Current Update: Game Over [Awaiting Archiving]

Player List:
Robbnva, Town Citizen, survived
Creature, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 3
DrumBeats, Town Role Cop, killed night 4
Zachstralkita, Town Neighboriser, killed night 5
Ircher, Town Universal Backup, killed night 1
RadiantCowbells replaced MartinNikolai, Town Citizen, killed night 3
MarioManiac4, Town Citizen, survived
Gratiae, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 4
firecrocer, Town Citizen, lynched day 5
Dunnstral replaced Formerfish, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 6
Elena Fisher, Town Citizen, lynched day 1
Flavor Leaf replaced ThinkBig, Town Citizen, lynched day 2
Wake88, Town Loyal Cop, killed night 2



So the reason I said 2 shot strongman is because in my experience 2 shot is the most common modifier for a weak setup like this. But, here's some background. Out of the strongman in the normal archives, there's:

9 1 shot
1 2 shot
1 unlimited
1 JoaT

plus a game where all 3 mafia are just unlimited strongmen instead of goons as an aesthetic kinda thing.


So, to be clear, Yumeko claimed he jailkept me. Based on history, its actually very likely mafia strongman was 1 shot (far more likely than I remembered, and notedly more likely when the only protective is a 1 shot bp bg as opposed to a doctor or rolestopper or something), and therefore I couldn't have made the kill if I was scum. If yumeko is gonna refuse to acknowledge my logical and actual game based non-wifom arguments I'll happily beat his wifom bs too.
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Post Post #5430 (isolation #245) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:06 pm

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In post 5426, Mary Saotome wrote:I think Yumeko's defenses are really strange but there are also some tells Yumeko is doing that I've only seen from town her that makes me very iffy I don't really have much to ask you because nothing really comes to mind. This isn't to say I don't have my doubts but I can't really think of much at the moment.

I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
You are aware he knew you would be in this game with him and as scum he'd have to play to his town meta or right?

I had absolutely no confidence in town and would not have been okay dying and handing the reins off. I have been incredibly obvious town the entire game (note how every single argument yumeko made for him being town applies to me moreso, ie pushing scum lynches), and it honestly hurt me that tiam, the person whom I hard defended from day 1 and refused to allow him to get lynched even when boon acknowledged he was town and wanted to policy him, wanted to vig me when in my opinion I'd been holding the game together. There was no autowin, again, unless you use the pov that you are obv town which is what gerry was doing and was wrong, so keeping myself alive is pro town. It was an autowin for me because I knew wave was town due to setup spec, but me dying also meant I wouldn't be alive to defend wave when I've lock towned him since d2 and nobody else even townread him and a big reason is I thought you guys would mislynch him and give scum a shot. This is not a reason I gave earlier, but it is a big one that I only didn't mention because I felt like it made me sound way too cocky. I never have and never will be okay with getting vigged, though, I think the only time in history I've said I was okay getting vigged is when I actually was vig and was faking scum out (almost succeeded, it was chocolate mafia if you wanna look it up). That's my ego and me having more confidence in my own reads than everyone else's, I play extremely selfish as town but that's that.
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Post Post #5435 (isolation #246) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:35 pm

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Hold up. I think yumeko straight up just slipped via getting caught in an outright lie.
In post 5196, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5194, gerryoat wrote:WAIT HOLY SHIT. can maf kill and do an ability at the same time?
No. Look at rule 31.
In post 5205, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
gerryoat wrote:Idk why me proving you wrong is making you upset, but bye bye.
This isn't helping. You're being pretty rude here to Mary after she indicates that you are annoying her.

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You haven't explained how it is auto win. Do you have a role? Are you a tracker/joat? From my perspective I suspect Titus is a town member who will always vote for me or Kidamn no matter what - that on top of wave dying and mary being the gunsmith target makes this game considerably more difficult if you are town. If you are mafia you realize that Titus is prone to lynch me over you if you kill Kidamn
In post 5194, gerryoat wrote:WAIT HOLY SHIT. can maf kill and do an ability at the same time?
You need to explain why this is significant. I'm seeing a lot of holes in this plan now and I'm wondering who you plan to lynch tomorrow. If you're relying on my jailkeep, you're planning to lynch skirt after nolynching? Why is that superior to lynching skirt today for you and nolynching the next day? What is it that stops mafia from just not killing if they kill the gunsmith?
Like, in my mind I'd have been going against what the town agreed on -
I didn't realize mafia couldn't act and kill at the same time
, and I also didn't pay attention to the # of players. I thought if I jailkept the vig and somebody else died I would have to deal with being called scum all game for my actions and eventually getting lynched.
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Post Post #5436 (isolation #247) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:38 pm

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And Mary, can you please address my two big walls about scum yumeko? Because he's refusing to and I'm pretty sure its because he knows his only shot is ate'ing a win out of you.
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Post Post #5440 (isolation #248) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:42 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 5371, skirt skirt wrote:lets start with this wall of garbage. man, you're so lucky you have mary hard pocketed, because this shit wouldn't even have a chance of flying in most games.
In post 5369, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Image

VOTE: skirt skirt

Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.

I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.

I'm going to highlight some of the posts I have made but please do look over the rest of my posting as well.
In post 5168, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am fine with it, I was thinking about it myself. I jailkept skirt skirt.

It's notable that off of dunkers kill we should know that the last mafia member is a strongman of some sort. With towns power, I wasn't expecting it to be more than a 1 shot strongman, but if it were a two shot strongman skirt skirt could have used that to avoid a kill being stopped and to look good.

I've actually been sitting here wracking my brain over possible scenarios: Titus cannot be mafia that avoided the gunsmith because we know that the last mafia member is a strongman. Same for Mary. Kidamn is towns only investigative role (aside from a backup of his role) and I believe them as well. I went back to look over my post where I compared voting and I see that you voted all three lynched mafia. UnaBombaH also includes you as someone they would lynch when they did not do so for any other mafia member. I also saw this post from Flairs:
In post 2689, Flairs wrote:Alright, if someone will check gerry I'd be willing to get off the gerry vote

In the meantime I'm going to go look over Nero and Two
Where they call for you to be checked. I don't actually think you are mafia despite results seeming to point to it so I instead think that something else is happening here.

I think skirt skirt is the last mafia member, a 2-shot strongman.
Looking back yesterday, skirt skirt himself was the one who pushed for himself to be jailkept instead of vigged. Everybody else went along with it, but It's notable that skirt skirt was highly against being vigged in what would be assumed to be a town win scenario if everything worked out.
In post 5171, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I want to highlight that for our flipped roles:

bp bodyguard
bp enabler

We know that mafia have at least

1-shot strongman

Does anybody think this makes sense on it's own? A lone bp bodyguard needs both a bp enabler and a 1-shot strongman to counter it when there is no other protection in the game?
If you consider that I am a town non-consecutive jailkeeper the strongman makes a lot more sense belonging in this setup. And possibly even being a 2-shot strongman.
In post 5174, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5170, gerryoat wrote:and is there any role that can like, hide a gun? i mean i know doctors cant have it and traitors. so i dont think 2 mafs would have that too.
Do you agree that we know the last mafia is a strongman?
Otherwise what happened to Dunkerdoodles?

My reasoning is that since the last role is strongman it's reasonable to assume that they're probably not more than that and also able to avoid gunsmith reports. So Titus and Mary cannot be strongmen and so cannot be mafia barring major shenanigans.
In post 5181, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5172, Mary Saotome wrote:Uhhh Yumeko talk to me on this? I'm pretty sold on Gerry scum here skirts been very consistent most of the game while gerry has seemed to pop up near the end of the game and it makes sense for solo scum. I disagree with you here the panic and mass post feel like trying to buy more time and a strongman with more then 1 shot is...wha
I'm thinking about it. Yesterday skirt skirt was the one to say he should be jailkept, if he were a strongman this would be a move to make himself look mechanically cleared.
In post 5190, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5184, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5183, KidAmn wrote:Not impossible there's a godfather. Also not impossible Yumeko is lying.
UNVOTE: Don't do anything hasty.
Please acknowledge post 5171, I'm tired of you and Titus ignoring this point to reach at me.
Also, please acknowledge that the last mafia is a strongman. It is, in fact, impossible that the last mafia is a godfather that avoided a gunsmith.
In post 5302, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.

I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.

And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?

I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
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Over the night I did some additional review and I found this - I think it's interesting enough that I would have definitely pushed to lynch skirt skirt had I noticed it during the last day. Take a look at this quote, I want to call attention to my second like where I'm talking about Peregrinev and Eddie Cane:


In post 874, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 459, UnaBombaH wrote:
{osuka, Mulch, MarioManiac4}

This group is almost bound to shake, depending on future interactions between Mario and Mulch. So far I'm cool with both. I have the best feeling on osuka that I have ever had in a game so far, so I'm a little paranoid (surprise surprise!), but strongly townread him for now.

{TwoInAMillion, wavemode, Mary Soatome, Nero Cain}

My townleans, these have provided at least something solid I have agreed upon, and have not pinged my scumradar. TiaM is here because I have seen him derping around like this before, I don't think he is scum here. :lol:

{Flairs, davesaz, Dunkerdoodles, Zoki77, PeregrineV, Excession}

NULL. Not much/any content, or at least not any tone that I have been able to read.

{Creature, Eddie Cane, massive}

NULL-1. Basicly same as above, but the way they have provided little content is the part that rubs me the wrong way. For example Creature basicly announcing he is gonna lurk isn't cool in my books. Eddie Cane, WHERE ART THOU?

{Theta Alpine}

Lost in time and space.....Not exactly valid to place as null because has provided answers and questions alike, but super hard for me to place right now.

{Flavor Leaf, IgnitionUSMC}

Scumleans. Flavor might be elevating higher quite easily if his future content feels like his normal self. Ignition replacing out is probably NAI, but the timing makes it look bad, especially when I had just started to pay more attention to him.

{Yumeko Jabami}

Phoney-town. (or a very heavy player to deal with if actually town) Poses a lot of questions (which is normally great in creating content), but places them in huge walls and nitpicks everything. I do NOT get a towney vibe from this sort of.."interrogating style". I like to pose a lot of questions myself, but I don't think they hold value, if people find it hard to A) find them b) answer to them with simple formatting C) feel like they need to explain every single word they use.
Can you explain your read on osuka for me? You don't really interact with them but seem confident that they are town pretty early on.
I'm confused as to why you put people you say will likely fall in your reads later at the top? It does not make me confident in your set of reads you have presented.

Nobody else called you out on this - I noticed that you have PeregrineV and Eddie Cane at different tiers in your read list. Can you explain why this is? At this point of the game, neither of them had posted yet, and they were never directly a topic of conversation either. How can they be in different places?

There's also something else nobody called you out on here. You very clearly say - for your null tier - that they have provided no tone for you to work with. However, earlier when talking to me you told me that you weren't sure on your use of tone and try to stick to logic and intentions. To me, this feels like you are not able to keep your story straight.

You have Theta below null-1 but say they are hard to place - but you did place them. You put them below null-1, which leads me to believe that you are actually scumreading them? I'd expect them to be in your null tier otherwise.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.

Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.
Evidence doesn't stack up against me. I've played an insanely townie game, there's a reason gerry didn't omgus vote me or anything. He actually knows exactly why I voted him, but can't talk about it :x The only reason you even have a chance is because tiam shot wave over you, so I hope you realize that if you win it you only won because of a dumbass vig.
I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.
You didn't theorize SHIT. I've been doing the gamespec the entire fucking game. I'm the one who told people (hi Titus) to fuck off with kidamn scumreads, I'm the one who pointed out a limited strongman is the last mafia role. There is LITERALLY NO THEORIZING there because a minimum of 1x strongman is literally fucking confirmed due to dunkerdoodles. You literally just said you've been setting up my lynch though, so thanks. Again. There's a reason gerry pushed you and not me even as I led his lynch. This is my town game and obscenely so. The only fucking reason I haven't lynched you this game is because of Mary lock townreading you. Mary said Gerry made her doubt that, so I'm just here praying to god she rethinks.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.
If you want to push una scumreading his teammates as me being scum, maybe don't quote a post with yourself at the bottom of his reads list :lol: Or, sure, rely on one post a mafia member made for why I'm scum. Una would not scumread me as his partner though, Una thinks very highly of me. Of course, that's useless meta, but its true. You've clearly been thinking about my lynch for a few days now though, so kudos I guess for trying to bs something that doesn't mean much I won't be able to respond to...?
Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Eddie Cane not posting makes the slightest difference? Excuse me? But, I do like that you admitted you made useless walls explicitly so nobody would read them. "(that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)". Oh my god I'm gonna be pissed if I lose to this.























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In post 3150, Eddie Cane wrote:if any person doesn't vote gr I'm their next post they are scum claiming
Let's start with an awesome town case before I move onto my scum case. I did not need to shout for a GR hammer there. Let's start with the fact that if my team was dave/flairs/game/unknown traitor, game would be the last person I bus. Vedith is the only player there I think is good enough to warrant bringing to endgame. But, let's not talk about me quicklynching a partner over a day before dl (lots of time to last minute lynch someone else or just lurk out and let town do nothing lmao). A partner that had site flaked and was going to replace and possibly give me a teammate who's scum game isn't "lurk" (hi yumeko :lol:). There is no chance I, an experienced player, choose our encryptor and bus him. NO CHANCE. Look at any of my scum games, day chats are like 20 pages long plus. As scum here I 100% would've fought to the death to keep my encryptor alive because I would need it to deal with flairs and dave. This post never comes from scum Eddie and Mary probably won't know that but I'm hoping Titus does.

In post 3237, Eddie Cane wrote:{whymafia, tiam (sk is town for the purposes of these reads), wave}
{mm4, dunker, gerry}
{assemble, flairs, Nero, yumeko, mary, theta, massive, davesaz}
{boon, osuka, kidamn}
Not that this means much, but for all the shit ya'll say I never let scum in my town pile EVER. I should've stuck with my gerry read and done yumeko smh
In post 3962, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3942, TwoInAMillion wrote:Boon is the only one saying boon is conftown.

Now Boon is wanting the town to concentrate on my newbiness rather than on scumhunting.
boon isnt conf town but boon is conf town enough that youre literally just wasting time and distracting from nero's scum flip.
In post 3963, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3949, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 3948, Nero Cain wrote:I am not lynching a claimed vig.
cool. i am.
can you both stop acting like 6 year olds who got their first A+ in grade 1 and think they're better than everyone thanks
In post 3969, Eddie Cane wrote:well, boon, idrc what you're going for but look at the facts

1) not a single person in this game is going to vote tiam
2) nero is ascetic and even if you believe he's town he shouldn't last til lylo and i know for a fact you agree with this logic
3) two won't vig him
4) if two is sk he is not going to shoot me/you/kidamn/wave/gerry/dunker because that outs him as sk for the latter 5 and I think he knows I'm town
5) despite his verbal annoyingness, he vigged perfectly fine d1. i think una was a very acceptable shot. he vigged perfectly fine d2. i think assemble was a very acceptable shot. you know that i know better than anyone two can be a fucking moron, i mean he voted me not understanding what a hammer was and was "certain" i was scum, but he has played perfectly fine this game, he got me to townread him which is good and he has not done anything stupid. i dont agree with his play, and hes definitely new, but this is improvement and this is not play youre policy lynching. even IF hes sk, he is not going to shoot a pr this early because that outs him and causes him to lose. stop wasting time, i know youre better than this.
I think the most important piece is that I kept this game from falling apart. Boon was so insistent on lynching our vig as an sk (hey boon you may be better at some things but I'm better at reading bad town :lol:) and tiam was so insistent on boon being scum. I had to keep them from killing each other. I'm in awe how people can think I'm scum after that. The next 4 posts after that are the same, me convincing boon to leave tiam alone.
In post 4010, Eddie Cane wrote:{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
Wow. Both flipped scum and the last scum are 3/6ths of my vig pool. What a shocker.
In post 4241, Eddie Cane wrote:okay flairs is trying really hard to get me to vote him
In post 4323, Eddie Cane wrote:if i was vig here id vig flairs or maybe mary. up to you tiam, just words.

mod - osuka isn't voting, but...
Must be svs, right? :roll:
In post 4330, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i guess boon could still be a maf doc or traitor tho, you're not technically conf town

also the fact you are trying to derail the nero wagon is scummy
In post 4335, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4333, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i agree that 2 docs is unlikely, but who says there can be 2 traitors?
me
Can't be me keeping our conf town alive, right? Must be me pocketing boon, right?
In post 4336, Eddie Cane wrote:dunker is town btw
And not even using it to fos Dunker because I'm pocketing him too, right?
In post 4353, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4350, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4346, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4344, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4342, Eddie Cane wrote:i am ok with that if two agrees
I'm power tunneling if he doesn't agree. There's no reason for town Two not to, and I'd rather lynch SK than town today.
we aren't lynching two today dude.

think that will stop me from power tunneling?
threatening people is how you piss them off
More buddying and pocketing, I'm sure.
In post 4372, Eddie Cane wrote:okay

VOTE: flairs

im back on nero if tiam is going to be dumb and not vig nero
And back to useless bussing. Wow I sure suck as scum.
In post 4465, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4455, KidAmn wrote:
In post 4454, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs
Substantial and valid input, especially compared to your big pushes early game.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami
VOTE: yumeko jabami
In post 4466, Eddie Cane wrote:I'll vote flairs again soon
I think you just know you can't beat me without realllly reaching.
In post 4478, Eddie Cane wrote:i dont really care about titus right now, last time we played i subbed out and insulted her so i'm trying to avoid that

can you explain how the mulch replace out could ever be scum? because mulch was extremely townie to me and that replace out was a massive nail in the town coffin
In post 4479, Nero Cain wrote:I think replacing out is mostly null. And meta wise his screaming to get wagons going is pretty similar to his play in NY203. What did you find townie from him?
In post 4480, Eddie Cane wrote:i agreed with his thoguhts reading through, its not really a meta read because i haven't played with scum mulch and in the game i spectated with him as scum i already had spoilers

but replacing out is null, sure. this specific one screamed town to me though. he had a mulch temper tantrum because nobody would sheep him, just as he does every single game as town. in the end, his shouting didn't work so he rage replaced. i don't see scum mulch ever doing that. this is stronger by the fact mulch prefers playing scum, is stronger as scum, and prides himself on his scum game. i don't think a scum mulch replaces here because that is not his wincon
In post 4481, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, true, Titus is pretty wonky but if she thinks I'm scum and my lone buddy or two is pushing this Flairs wagon then she needs to explain who they are and why. This "they" stuff just seems way shallow.

And her line about there being a counter-wagon to me b/c I'm "useful" to scum seems like her goal is to shift blame to once I flip town. And again she's not naming names so...
Me convincing Nero to lay off titus. Many more quotes of this nature. But sure, I'm just pocketing more people and bussing more scum.
In post 4583, Eddie Cane wrote:just fucking do it the mods online
And of course, shouting for a hammer on my second partner., and this one has been pushing me all day. I am the king of hard bussing it seems. :lol:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:2 scum likely left out of 12, 10:2. cool.

{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, MM4}
{Dave, Massive}
{Mary}

VOTE: mary saotome


this is scum and dies today. i am not going to even consider gerry/titus or up today, probably wont vote yumeko or mm4 either.
In post 4646, Eddie Cane wrote:changed my mind

UNVOTE:
In post 4648, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:
{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Dave, Massive}
{MM4}
As long as we keep lynching and vigging yumeko/mary/dave/massive/mm4 pool i think this game is done/ gs should probably check titus/gerry/wave/myself in the mean time, particularly gerry, just for reassurance and to remove risk of double targeting.
What. A. Shocker.
In post 4688, skirt skirt wrote:we aren't lynching Mary today :/
:/
In post 4779, skirt skirt wrote:i'm happy with the game as it is now. i think town is in control (more active people) and thats how we hit gr and flairs.
Look how fucking right I was with the scum team being flairs/yumeko/dave.

This actually segways into the offensive portion of this case, which is scum!yumeko as opposed to town Eddie.

Titus, this is more to you at first. You should know that it is moderately common for scum to post a lot early in the game and then drop out because they find it hard to be involved and not get called out. Yumeko posted useless walls early d1 that he even admitted he knew nobody read and then lurked out... until literally yesterday to push me and gerry as scum and avoid getting vigged. This is classic scum, not some godly played scum. Now Mary's turn: Mary, you admitted this is abnormal play for Yumeko. I can't speak to your meta, but PLEASE think about it more. That's all I can ask. Wallposting and then lurking the entire game except for an occasional buddying popin and prodge is not town play, and I let your meta lock town read allow yumeko to coast but of course that is gonna bite me in the butt here. Yumeko has a total of 48 fucking posts. le sigh I hate scum who win by active lurking.





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So after 5 awesome wall posts he admitted nobody would read, there was nothing substantial from yumeko... period.
In post 1738, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I will catch up on this tomorrow, is there anything I should be paying special attention to?
In post 2465, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
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In post 2713, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I'll get into this tomorrow or maybe the next phase
3 useless posts.
In post 3584, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 3531, TwoInAMillion wrote:kill group is Kid, Massive, and Mary
I think circumstantial evidence from looking at UnabombaH/Excession points towards KidAmn being town

I've fairly certain that Mary is town :) - I will be upset if you vig them

I don't want to sort through the game anymore because there's a lot of meaningless content - I took a look at UnabombaH as well as Dunkerdoodles and I have a feeling that Dunkerdoodles might be mafia
Wow, you don't want your pocketed vote vigged, shocker. Looks like dunker was the next planned push.
In post 4163, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Can people sum up what they are seeing in Flairs?

As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed
Wow, you're highly against the lynch of targets that had 3 scum out of 5 people who would've been alive. What a fucking shocker.

In post 4454, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs
And you give up and continue your pocket with another useful contribution. Awesome.


To be clear, after wallpost #5 (on page 35 early d1) I've quoted literally EVERY post. This is his contribution up to d3. :lol:
In post 4636, Yumeko Jabami wrote:VOTE: massive
Useful
In post 4846, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 4826, davesaz wrote:I think that isodive on Una is great work, but it's only 2/3 right. Una tossed in a random player (me) who would genuinely be someone who hadn't been in a game with her.
I also think we're looking at a SK or even another team.
VOTE: MarioManiac4
Can you explain how you went from null reading MarioManiac4 to placing a vote on them? Yesterday you had massive in your lowest tier and he voted against a scum lynch, what changed your mind from there to MarioManiac4?
Actually, you're all over the place, including claiming there's 3 kills when it's much more likely that dunker was simply the target of a strongman kill after claiming bulletproof.

A second mafia team seems very unlikely to me with a traitor having flipped. In a game this size, two scum teams means each scum team is about 3 persons large. It would be really strange to have an effective scumteam of 2 in a pt in a 21 person game along with a traitor - plus there's the logistics of if one team has a traitor does the other team have a traitor. Everything points to this being a single ball game. Twoinamillion is the town vig, I'd say the scum team is likely 5 members large including the traitor, though the traitor doctor is questionable. I'd think the doctor on mafia would indicate that the scum team is smaller than average as it's a rather powerful ability to have. Traitor makes me think the opposite, I think those things might cancel each other out

Looking through your iso, I'm not really seeing the thought process I saw early on. It looks to me like you're saying things more to avoid being lynched than to solve the game, if that makes sense? You really are all over the place. I've noted that you brushed aside Flairs as not really having read their posts and never made mention of IgnitionUSMC/game replacement at all.

VOTE: davesaz
This is the fun part. This is such an obvious bus case it's hilarious. At this point it was already accepted we were lynching Dave so he decided to force a case there. First real contribution since d1 and its a useless mini wallpost to justify voting someone the entire game was voting to try and look townier. Fuckin A.
In post 4914, Yumeko Jabami wrote:How boring.

I looked at the scum lynches:
Flairs (8): Mary Saotome, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, Nero Cain, Eddie Cane, Dunkerdoodles
davesaz (7): Boonskiies, skirt skirt, gerryoat, wavemode, Yumeko Jabami, KidAmn, massive
Game Replacement (11): Creature, wavemode, TwoInAMillion, Nero Cain, MarioManiac4, Mary Saotome, Eddie Cane, Flairs, massive, Dunkerdoodles, gerryoat
The following players have participated in 2 mafia lynches: Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, skirt skirt, wavemode, Mary Saotome, massive, Eddie Cane, TwoInAMillion

The following players have participated in 0 mafia lynches: Titus

There's also some interactions with UnaBombah about Mulch that look off. Add to that that Mulch ignored many of the points I made against him early in the game as well as me having a bad feeling, on top of Titus seemingly defending scum players.

VOTE: Titus
Oh cool, its time for the Titus mislynch.
In post 4920, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am a nonconsecutive jailkeeper. I targeted MarioManiac on night 1 and Mary on night 3, both as protective actions. If lynching Titus does not end the game I'd want to jailkeep massive, but if he is getting shot by our vigilante I will choose a different target and announce the target before night.
Meh. Weak targets. Mary was never getting killed n3, nobody townread her... lmfao.
In post 4933, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 4930, Mary Saotome wrote:How about lynch massive
vig wave
jail skirt
check me
I think this works out best because it covers everyone here besides our pr's' this game should basically be over after that yes?
I think if wave is a pr I should jail them instead. If they would be vigged anyway, jailkeeping them instead lets them verify my action if they are town

I don't think you need to be checked, I'm certain you are town Mary. I won't need to be checked either if Wave is a pr and I jailkeep him

If Titus doesn't have a gun I'd think massive was scum, looking back the times he voted mafia were after it seemed those players would have been the lynch
Setting up the massive lynch and pocketing Mary. Coolios.






Bored of PBPA and honestly PBPA doesn't make a good case anyways because its always confbiased. What does make a good case, however, is that that is EVERY POST SINCE EARLY D1. Yumeko posted 5 useless walls he acknowledged nobody would read and then proceeded to do literally nothing the entire game.



So, Mary and Titus. If you're going to vote me you need to talk to me first. Last game I played I was mislynched (still led to town winning with all the fuss I put up) as doc d4 after successfully saving 2 people because nobody would read my cases and just voted me anyways. I'm not going to give up just because Yumeko has been pocketing Mary all game and Titus seemingly forgets I made her fuck off Kidamn tunnel.
In post 5401, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5399, Mary Saotome wrote:I feel like a lot of the points you've shown for you being town (Jail keeper how you keeping a strong man is so low) are points that can't be proven. The only thing that you have going for you is you asking to be vigged. I had a really really big tr on you based on town and how you've acted but I really can't tell if I'm being bias or maybe you knew what I tr. The one thing you've shown to sr eddie is the unba interaction and it feels like that's the one statement you've made.

If you asked me to vote based on any day before this I'd vote skirt in a heartbeat

but if you asked me to vote based on today alone I'd vote you in a heartbeat
He didn't ask to be vigged.
In post 5302, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.

I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.

And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?

I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
This was his defense, but in reality its bullshit. Particularly, third paragraph. He would've lost, sure. But I was the one suggesting to vig him, Tiam had already expressed discontent with me before, he had no opportunity to argue to change the shit and honestly had to chance it. What exactly could he have said? I've been directing the vigs and lynches for that matter most of the game, and it was my pool, and everyone agreed to it. He also tried to argue earlier that he would've jailed tiam, but that
literally outs him as scum
. That was not ever an option and is just him covering his ass.

Mary, why excactly would you have voted me over yumeko any other day? Post d1 he
literally has not posted content
. He's sheeped you once and otherwise has had no involvement in the game. Coasting scum. You've even acknowledged he's playing differently.

But, we want to talk about the vig. Okay.
In post 4010, Eddie Cane wrote:{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
In post 4163, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Can people sum up what they are seeing in Flairs?

As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed
The list of targets has 2 flipped scum and a third one unflipped. One of the three town there was getting lynched (nero). Wow. Guess what people there agreed to the vig pool? Nero, Mary, and Massive from memory. Guess who didn't comment on it? Dave and Flairs. Guess who the ONLY PERSON AGAINST IT WAS? Yumeko. So if your best defense is "vig", try the fuck again, because that's a huge red flag that Yumeko is just scum.
In post 5404, skirt skirt wrote:
But I'd have gladly proven my jailkeep ability when I claimed it, we could have planned around me roleblocking the vigilante. People thought that even if I was a jailkeeper I could still be scum though so I didn't push for that.
Wow. A joat with a roleblocker shot. I definitely didn't suggest that ages ago. Of course, that isn't even necessarily the case, because you never brought anything like that up...
I didn't ask to be vigged, I was against you being vigged .
because you lost if the person in your pocket would've died, titus had been scumreading you already, and gerry clearly scumread you over me yesterday, correct? After all,
I thought you knwe I was town.
Well let's talk then, I why do you think I'm scum based on today?
can i answer? a town mindset is to convince everyone you're town. you've already addressed me like you knew i was town in previous days. whereas, you ignored the MANY valid points I brought up against you today in favor of a garbage "wallpost" and trying to slide mary further into your pocket. There's still tons for you to go reply to, go wild. Or keep ignoring it and trying to pocket mary again.
I feel you aren't really giving me credit for all the things I've said
all 58 things you've said, right? and virtually every relevant one being d0.25/d6/d7?
Yesterday I tried to talk to you about skirt skirt too, I've thought he was scum over gerryoat.
wow. realizing myself and gerry would have to be the lynches. *shocker*
I think gerryoat is spending a lot of time trying to figure out hypotheticals we shouldn't act on. The chance that there's a strongman that is immune to gunsmith shots or that there are two mafia is so much lower than the chance that there is 1 mafia between gerry/skirt skirt that the second option is the one worth pursuing (as opposed to putting on a tin foil hat and thinking people who should be clear aren't)
wow. you sure did try to talk hard about skirt skirt yesterday. definitely wasn't just setting up the lynch today with general shade. :lol:
I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.
wait? you've been voting for scum all game? you've sure helped a TON in lynching dave, flairs, and game. how could we ever have lynched them without boon finding una slipping partners, you blindly sheeping mary as your first post in like 3 day phases whne the lynch is inevitable, and not even being on the lynch or having posted in 60 pages? thank you so much for your help! you didn't abandon your team, persay, but i guess you did, because you let them do all the work while you idled although they did the exact same thing. /sigh
I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives.
i love a good wifom debate, no sarcasm. you took a risk because it was obvious at that point you got lynched over me and you had to try something. try again?
Oh, I see the flailing you were talking about now.
this is more of you trying to talk to mary about lynching me yesterday, right?
And we've been playing in this game for over a real life month - why do your votes still follow the guidelines for the vote counter? Do you think the rest of us should be in awe of you when you have trouble following simple directions? You being rude and frankly grandstanding about your contributions when you've made many mistakes and mispushes yourself does not make me feel good about you as a player.
i do love how this is the avenue you used to push me though, this is DEFINITELY a game breaking find from you in your awe-inspiring expedition to show mary i'm scum, right?









lemme give you some advice yumeko: don't lurk the full game as scum. it is active lurking and it is something that will not make you many friends on this site. as abraisive as i am, i still have lots of friends here, so i don't care for your personal attacks that have no game relevance.
In post 5408, skirt skirt wrote:
This is skirt skirt's reaction after I say we should jailkeep mary instead and the vig target moves onto skirt skirt. He is strongly against being shot - he very much wants to be jailkept here because he is a strongman and this looks very good for him. Him getting shot means he loses. This isn't the reaction of town who is making an auto win plan.
ahahahah this is the best you've got?

there was no auto win plan. there was only an autowin from a view where you're conf town, and that's naive and why gerry was so off base. the closest to conf town was wave, which is why i wanted you vigged (would've been auto win), but no, tiam had to ignore me. i've already gone in depth and explained why i didn't want to get vigged but good fucking try kiddo.
All of a sudden, the gunsmith check switches from me to mary and the thread is closed in about thirty minutes in what was basically a speedlynch. No time for me to challenge the action change. I am against the vig shot on me at this time because I believe it is better to check me and allow me to use my action again if the game has not ended by the time I get my next action. I briefly consider jailkeeping twoinamillion - my thinking is this prevents twoinamillion from shooting me, confirms my role, and prevents twoinamillion from dying if he is targeted. In hindsight, this would have been the correct choice. At the time, I hadn't realized that mafia could not act and kill at the same time (I realized this early into the day.) I thought me jailkeeping twoinamillion would be the selfish play, and that I'd continue being heavily suspected and ultimately be lynched. Letting myself die and following what everybody expected me to do seemed to be the team play. I also trusted that you (Mary) would close out the game.
this is where you fuck up though, because its not basically a speed lynch. the person you're trying so hard to pocket is the one who hammered, and one scum alive can't do anything called a "speedlynch". you also literally just said you were against the vig shot on you, and the big argument mary had for you being town was you being okay with being vigged which you just said you weren't but you didn't have time to post... so good job removing the only reason for you being town.


but, this is a great wallpost that says absolutely nothing and just tries to push a bullshit narrative while still ignoring the many points brought up for you being scum - note this discounts none of them but instead proves some being true.

:)


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Post Post #5441 (isolation #249) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:44 pm

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In post 5437, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5406, Yumeko Jabami wrote:In hindsight, this would have been the correct choice. At the time, I hadn't realized that mafia could not act and kill at the same time (I realized this early into the day.)
so when did you magically figure out? conveniently didn't read the rules for 6 days and decided to thoroughly read them after the night ended but before gerry asked?
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Post Post #5442 (isolation #250) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:17 am

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*yawn*
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Post Post #5444 (isolation #251) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:56 am

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hi yoshi. how are you?
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Post Post #5447 (isolation #252) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:45 pm

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Aha, I tanked my first interview, but I got the job from my second one (at Tim Hortons). Lasted 8 months and considering it was awful I was pretty proud of that. I'm pretty good, had a super hard workout today so I'm super sore.
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Post Post #5454 (isolation #253) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:11 am

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doesn't do anything, just means you or Mary get killed and there's one less conf town voice . I'll vote no lynch if u and Mary agree but it seems stupid
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Post Post #5456 (isolation #254) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:35 am

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In post 5455, Titus wrote:
In post 5454, skirt skirt wrote:doesn't do anything, just means you or Mary get killed and there's one less conf town voice . I'll vote no lynch if u and Mary agree but it seems stupid
Let me do my thing here. I don't want to rush things.
yea, no worries. have you read this day phase through yet?
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Post Post #5459 (isolation #255) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:49 am

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okay, fair. no rush. it's unanimously scum yumeko or scum me tho, so don't worry about mary. lemme know when you've read this day phase cause I think it clearly shows yumeko is scum but obviously I'm biased
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Post Post #5462 (isolation #256) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:00 am

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In post 5461, Titus wrote:
In post 5368, skirt skirt wrote:dont do anything stupid til im back from backpacking in 3 days

im aware towns probably lost this because mary and titus arent gonna vote yumeko, but i'll still try. don't quicklynch me please.
I don't quick lynch in lylo and I distinctly remember someone yelling at me for Yumeko voting. :(
hm?
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Post Post #5463 (isolation #257) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:02 am

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I think I got annoyed at you pushing kidamn but did i ever tell you off for voting yumeko? I had him as town lean by poe but I don't think I ever told you off for fosing him
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Post Post #5465 (isolation #258) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:01 am

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In post 5464, Titus wrote:
In post 5463, skirt skirt wrote:I think I got annoyed at you pushing kidamn but did i ever tell you off for voting yumeko? I had him as town lean by poe but I don't think I ever told you off for fosing him
Meh I felt that way. It's not important whether my perception is correct. It's more important for Yumeko to id who she jailed each night.
sounds cool. do read today tho.
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Post Post #5470 (isolation #259) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:01 am

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In post 5469, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 5468, Titus wrote:
VLA possible appendicitis
Noted. I hope you are well soon! :D
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Post Post #5472 (isolation #260) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:01 pm

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:)
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Post Post #5474 (isolation #261) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:38 pm

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Post Post #5477 (isolation #262) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:57 am

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In post 5476, Titus wrote:How do we know last mafia is a strongman, without relying on me and Mary being clear?
Dunkerdoodles death. Unless one of you and mary is a serial killer who chose to shoot one night and one night only and happened to hit the same person as mafia, there's a strongman.
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Post Post #5479 (isolation #263) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:06 am

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In post 5478, Titus wrote:
In post 5477, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5476, Titus wrote:How do we know last mafia is a strongman, without relying on me and Mary being clear?
Dunkerdoodles death. Unless one of you and mary is a serial killer who chose to shoot one night and one night only and happened to hit the same person as mafia, there's a strongman.
Because of Davesaz flip?
Wdym?

One night, a bp died without it ever having had a chance to be punctured because we had 2 kills every single night. That confirms strongman.
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Post Post #5481 (isolation #264) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:00 am

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lol
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Post Post #5484 (isolation #265) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:55 pm

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What do you think of my perception that Yumeko's sole intent of play is to pocket you enough that you'll tell titus to vote me?
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Post Post #5485 (isolation #266) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:55 pm

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Sources:

1) Ignored my many valid points without even attempting to answer
2) Only addresses anything to you
3) Has spent the entire game sucking up to you
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Post Post #5486 (isolation #267) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:56 pm

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Sorry, I've been bedridden all day, incredibly bored. Someone come talk to me :-)
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Post Post #5488 (isolation #268) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:02 pm

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i want to talk to titus too :_( she's really busy irl i think but based on past experience she'll make time for this game sometime soon
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Post Post #5490 (isolation #269) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:29 pm

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there's no proof of the hypothetical (non-existent) role, idk what you're looking for but it doesn't exist
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Post Post #5495 (isolation #270) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:04 pm

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never try parkour kids
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Post Post #5497 (isolation #271) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:02 am

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wow, he's finally scumhunting
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Post Post #5498 (isolation #272) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:06 am

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:)(: let's not deadline lynch in mylo pleaseee
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Post Post #5501 (isolation #273) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:40 pm

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yea, true. what are you thinking right now?
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Post Post #5504 (isolation #274) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:31 pm

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feel free to not say it if you have a reason, but from the standpoint that you and titus are conf town and every player agrees to that, i would personally rather you say it. reasoning: if you name yumeko, i'll feel relieved and stress less about causing town to lose, and if you name me i still have time to unleash wallposts out of another dimension to hopefully give it one last shot. what's your motivation for not wanting to post who out of curiosity?
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Post Post #5506 (isolation #275) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:57 am

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I mean, the justification I normally have for not saying who I'm going to vote for is to see what other people say, but in this case we already know who the 1v1 is so there's no real benefit to me. that's good to hear though :-)
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Post Post #5510 (isolation #276) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:25 am

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mechanics are discussed in the walls Titus, if you won't read anything else please make sure you read this full day phase.
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Post Post #5513 (isolation #277) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:20 pm

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I put a lot of time into those posts and I can forgive you reading them and mislynching me when if I'll be annoyed but it'd be very insulting if you didn't. yumeko can't even rebut them.
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Post Post #5517 (isolation #278) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:37 am

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In post 5371, skirt skirt wrote:lets start with this wall of garbage. man, you're so lucky you have mary hard pocketed, because this shit wouldn't even have a chance of flying in most games.
In post 5369, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Image

VOTE: skirt skirt

Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.

I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.

I'm going to highlight some of the posts I have made but please do look over the rest of my posting as well.
In post 5168, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am fine with it, I was thinking about it myself. I jailkept skirt skirt.

It's notable that off of dunkers kill we should know that the last mafia member is a strongman of some sort. With towns power, I wasn't expecting it to be more than a 1 shot strongman, but if it were a two shot strongman skirt skirt could have used that to avoid a kill being stopped and to look good.

I've actually been sitting here wracking my brain over possible scenarios: Titus cannot be mafia that avoided the gunsmith because we know that the last mafia member is a strongman. Same for Mary. Kidamn is towns only investigative role (aside from a backup of his role) and I believe them as well. I went back to look over my post where I compared voting and I see that you voted all three lynched mafia. UnaBombaH also includes you as someone they would lynch when they did not do so for any other mafia member. I also saw this post from Flairs:
In post 2689, Flairs wrote:Alright, if someone will check gerry I'd be willing to get off the gerry vote

In the meantime I'm going to go look over Nero and Two
Where they call for you to be checked. I don't actually think you are mafia despite results seeming to point to it so I instead think that something else is happening here.

I think skirt skirt is the last mafia member, a 2-shot strongman.
Looking back yesterday, skirt skirt himself was the one who pushed for himself to be jailkept instead of vigged. Everybody else went along with it, but It's notable that skirt skirt was highly against being vigged in what would be assumed to be a town win scenario if everything worked out.
In post 5171, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I want to highlight that for our flipped roles:

bp bodyguard
bp enabler

We know that mafia have at least

1-shot strongman

Does anybody think this makes sense on it's own? A lone bp bodyguard needs both a bp enabler and a 1-shot strongman to counter it when there is no other protection in the game?
If you consider that I am a town non-consecutive jailkeeper the strongman makes a lot more sense belonging in this setup. And possibly even being a 2-shot strongman.
In post 5174, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5170, gerryoat wrote:and is there any role that can like, hide a gun? i mean i know doctors cant have it and traitors. so i dont think 2 mafs would have that too.
Do you agree that we know the last mafia is a strongman?
Otherwise what happened to Dunkerdoodles?

My reasoning is that since the last role is strongman it's reasonable to assume that they're probably not more than that and also able to avoid gunsmith reports. So Titus and Mary cannot be strongmen and so cannot be mafia barring major shenanigans.
In post 5181, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5172, Mary Saotome wrote:Uhhh Yumeko talk to me on this? I'm pretty sold on Gerry scum here skirts been very consistent most of the game while gerry has seemed to pop up near the end of the game and it makes sense for solo scum. I disagree with you here the panic and mass post feel like trying to buy more time and a strongman with more then 1 shot is...wha
I'm thinking about it. Yesterday skirt skirt was the one to say he should be jailkept, if he were a strongman this would be a move to make himself look mechanically cleared.
In post 5190, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5184, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5183, KidAmn wrote:Not impossible there's a godfather. Also not impossible Yumeko is lying.
UNVOTE: Don't do anything hasty.
Please acknowledge post 5171, I'm tired of you and Titus ignoring this point to reach at me.
Also, please acknowledge that the last mafia is a strongman. It is, in fact, impossible that the last mafia is a godfather that avoided a gunsmith.
In post 5302, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.

I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.

And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?

I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
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Over the night I did some additional review and I found this - I think it's interesting enough that I would have definitely pushed to lynch skirt skirt had I noticed it during the last day. Take a look at this quote, I want to call attention to my second like where I'm talking about Peregrinev and Eddie Cane:


In post 874, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 459, UnaBombaH wrote:
{osuka, Mulch, MarioManiac4}

This group is almost bound to shake, depending on future interactions between Mario and Mulch. So far I'm cool with both. I have the best feeling on osuka that I have ever had in a game so far, so I'm a little paranoid (surprise surprise!), but strongly townread him for now.

{TwoInAMillion, wavemode, Mary Soatome, Nero Cain}

My townleans, these have provided at least something solid I have agreed upon, and have not pinged my scumradar. TiaM is here because I have seen him derping around like this before, I don't think he is scum here. :lol:

{Flairs, davesaz, Dunkerdoodles, Zoki77, PeregrineV, Excession}

NULL. Not much/any content, or at least not any tone that I have been able to read.

{Creature, Eddie Cane, massive}

NULL-1. Basicly same as above, but the way they have provided little content is the part that rubs me the wrong way. For example Creature basicly announcing he is gonna lurk isn't cool in my books. Eddie Cane, WHERE ART THOU?

{Theta Alpine}

Lost in time and space.....Not exactly valid to place as null because has provided answers and questions alike, but super hard for me to place right now.

{Flavor Leaf, IgnitionUSMC}

Scumleans. Flavor might be elevating higher quite easily if his future content feels like his normal self. Ignition replacing out is probably NAI, but the timing makes it look bad, especially when I had just started to pay more attention to him.

{Yumeko Jabami}

Phoney-town. (or a very heavy player to deal with if actually town) Poses a lot of questions (which is normally great in creating content), but places them in huge walls and nitpicks everything. I do NOT get a towney vibe from this sort of.."interrogating style". I like to pose a lot of questions myself, but I don't think they hold value, if people find it hard to A) find them b) answer to them with simple formatting C) feel like they need to explain every single word they use.
Can you explain your read on osuka for me? You don't really interact with them but seem confident that they are town pretty early on.
I'm confused as to why you put people you say will likely fall in your reads later at the top? It does not make me confident in your set of reads you have presented.

Nobody else called you out on this - I noticed that you have PeregrineV and Eddie Cane at different tiers in your read list. Can you explain why this is? At this point of the game, neither of them had posted yet, and they were never directly a topic of conversation either. How can they be in different places?

There's also something else nobody called you out on here. You very clearly say - for your null tier - that they have provided no tone for you to work with. However, earlier when talking to me you told me that you weren't sure on your use of tone and try to stick to logic and intentions. To me, this feels like you are not able to keep your story straight.

You have Theta below null-1 but say they are hard to place - but you did place them. You put them below null-1, which leads me to believe that you are actually scumreading them? I'd expect them to be in your null tier otherwise.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.

Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Mary, I need you to not get paranoid and we win this. I do not believe either of you or titus can be mafia with gunsmith results on you as the last mafia must be a strongman. Regardless, I am able to jailkeep tonight (in my mind, there is a 99% chance that this jailkeep will have no relevance.)
We should talk about what you are thinking. Again, I won't be upset if you suspect or vote me - I also think that ultimately the evidence stacks up against skirt skirt.
Evidence doesn't stack up against me. I've played an insanely townie game, there's a reason gerry didn't omgus vote me or anything. He actually knows exactly why I voted him, but can't talk about it :x The only reason you even have a chance is because tiam shot wave over you, so I hope you realize that if you win it you only won because of a dumbass vig.
I'd like for you to review my posting from the previous day - I've made as to why I don't make a lot of sense as mafia. I also theorized that skirt skirt was a 2-shot strongman who wanted to be jailkept (which does seem to be the case.) I'm thinking you will side with me and vote for skirt skirt after some initial hesitation? If I had thought there would be real resistance to skirt skirt being lynched today and if gerryoat hadn't been such a brat at you I would have pushed harder for us to lynch skirt skirt.
You didn't theorize SHIT. I've been doing the gamespec the entire fucking game. I'm the one who told people (hi Titus) to fuck off with kidamn scumreads, I'm the one who pointed out a limited strongman is the last mafia role. There is LITERALLY NO THEORIZING there because a minimum of 1x strongman is literally fucking confirmed due to dunkerdoodles. You literally just said you've been setting up my lynch though, so thanks. Again. There's a reason gerry pushed you and not me even as I led his lynch. This is my town game and obscenely so. The only fucking reason I haven't lynched you this game is because of Mary lock townreading you. Mary said Gerry made her doubt that, so I'm just here praying to god she rethinks.
I did call UnaBombaH out on this - Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt) and PeregrineV both never posted and he has them as slightly different alignments. PeregrineV is true null while Eddie Cane is a step below that,
I do question him on this - looking back now I see that he never responded. Add to that, UnaBombaH was dead the next time I checked the game which was during the night, but I was focusing on looking for somebody to protect rather than jailkeep and was not looking at interactions between UnaBombaH and myself. Basically, this was lost to me until now. UnaBombaH never responded to it. No doubt this is a mistake on UnaBombaH's part, his read on two people who hadn't posted are different, I am also saying that Eddie Cane/skirt skirt is mafia.
If you want to push una scumreading his teammates as me being scum, maybe don't quote a post with yourself at the bottom of his reads list :lol: Or, sure, rely on one post a mafia member made for why I'm scum. Una would not scumread me as his partner though, Una thinks very highly of me. Of course, that's useless meta, but its true. You've clearly been thinking about my lynch for a few days now though, so kudos I guess for trying to bs something that doesn't mean much I won't be able to respond to...?
Remember - UnaBombaH signal'd to three of his teammates in that one post. But he has 4 teammates total, so why those three specifically? Well, looking back on it, Eddie Cane hadn't posted by the time UnaBombah signaled to the rest of his team. I guess what I'm saying is that it should be more believable that Eddie Cane is mafia with UnaBombaH from these interactions than it should be that I am mafia - remember, it's been said that one of the reasons I am not likely to be mafia is interactions UnaBombaH had with me. Consider that UnaBombaH inadvertently revealed part of his team due to poor play on his part, It should be believable that he also inadvertently messed up and hinted at his last mafia partner (that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)
Eddie Cane not posting makes the slightest difference? Excuse me? But, I do like that you admitted you made useless walls explicitly so nobody would read them. "(that nobody else caught because face it, nobody read my posts except for myself.)". Oh my god I'm gonna be pissed if I lose to this.























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In post 3150, Eddie Cane wrote:if any person doesn't vote gr I'm their next post they are scum claiming
Let's start with an awesome town case before I move onto my scum case. I did not need to shout for a GR hammer there. Let's start with the fact that if my team was dave/flairs/game/unknown traitor, game would be the last person I bus. Vedith is the only player there I think is good enough to warrant bringing to endgame. But, let's not talk about me quicklynching a partner over a day before dl (lots of time to last minute lynch someone else or just lurk out and let town do nothing lmao). A partner that had site flaked and was going to replace and possibly give me a teammate who's scum game isn't "lurk" (hi yumeko :lol:). There is no chance I, an experienced player, choose our encryptor and bus him. NO CHANCE. Look at any of my scum games, day chats are like 20 pages long plus. As scum here I 100% would've fought to the death to keep my encryptor alive because I would need it to deal with flairs and dave. This post never comes from scum Eddie and Mary probably won't know that but I'm hoping Titus does.

In post 3237, Eddie Cane wrote:{whymafia, tiam (sk is town for the purposes of these reads), wave}
{mm4, dunker, gerry}
{assemble, flairs, Nero, yumeko, mary, theta, massive, davesaz}
{boon, osuka, kidamn}
Not that this means much, but for all the shit ya'll say I never let scum in my town pile EVER. I should've stuck with my gerry read and done yumeko smh
In post 3962, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3942, TwoInAMillion wrote:Boon is the only one saying boon is conftown.

Now Boon is wanting the town to concentrate on my newbiness rather than on scumhunting.
boon isnt conf town but boon is conf town enough that youre literally just wasting time and distracting from nero's scum flip.
In post 3963, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3949, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 3948, Nero Cain wrote:I am not lynching a claimed vig.
cool. i am.
can you both stop acting like 6 year olds who got their first A+ in grade 1 and think they're better than everyone thanks
In post 3969, Eddie Cane wrote:well, boon, idrc what you're going for but look at the facts

1) not a single person in this game is going to vote tiam
2) nero is ascetic and even if you believe he's town he shouldn't last til lylo and i know for a fact you agree with this logic
3) two won't vig him
4) if two is sk he is not going to shoot me/you/kidamn/wave/gerry/dunker because that outs him as sk for the latter 5 and I think he knows I'm town
5) despite his verbal annoyingness, he vigged perfectly fine d1. i think una was a very acceptable shot. he vigged perfectly fine d2. i think assemble was a very acceptable shot. you know that i know better than anyone two can be a fucking moron, i mean he voted me not understanding what a hammer was and was "certain" i was scum, but he has played perfectly fine this game, he got me to townread him which is good and he has not done anything stupid. i dont agree with his play, and hes definitely new, but this is improvement and this is not play youre policy lynching. even IF hes sk, he is not going to shoot a pr this early because that outs him and causes him to lose. stop wasting time, i know youre better than this.
I think the most important piece is that I kept this game from falling apart. Boon was so insistent on lynching our vig as an sk (hey boon you may be better at some things but I'm better at reading bad town :lol:) and tiam was so insistent on boon being scum. I had to keep them from killing each other. I'm in awe how people can think I'm scum after that. The next 4 posts after that are the same, me convincing boon to leave tiam alone.
In post 4010, Eddie Cane wrote:{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
Wow. Both flipped scum and the last scum are 3/6ths of my vig pool. What a shocker.
In post 4241, Eddie Cane wrote:okay flairs is trying really hard to get me to vote him
In post 4323, Eddie Cane wrote:if i was vig here id vig flairs or maybe mary. up to you tiam, just words.

mod - osuka isn't voting, but...
Must be svs, right? :roll:
In post 4330, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i guess boon could still be a maf doc or traitor tho, you're not technically conf town

also the fact you are trying to derail the nero wagon is scummy
In post 4335, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4333, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i agree that 2 docs is unlikely, but who says there can be 2 traitors?
me
Can't be me keeping our conf town alive, right? Must be me pocketing boon, right?
In post 4336, Eddie Cane wrote:dunker is town btw
And not even using it to fos Dunker because I'm pocketing him too, right?
In post 4353, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4350, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4346, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4344, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 4342, Eddie Cane wrote:i am ok with that if two agrees
I'm power tunneling if he doesn't agree. There's no reason for town Two not to, and I'd rather lynch SK than town today.
we aren't lynching two today dude.

think that will stop me from power tunneling?
threatening people is how you piss them off
More buddying and pocketing, I'm sure.
In post 4372, Eddie Cane wrote:okay

VOTE: flairs

im back on nero if tiam is going to be dumb and not vig nero
And back to useless bussing. Wow I sure suck as scum.
In post 4465, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4455, KidAmn wrote:
In post 4454, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs
Substantial and valid input, especially compared to your big pushes early game.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami
VOTE: yumeko jabami
In post 4466, Eddie Cane wrote:I'll vote flairs again soon
I think you just know you can't beat me without realllly reaching.
In post 4478, Eddie Cane wrote:i dont really care about titus right now, last time we played i subbed out and insulted her so i'm trying to avoid that

can you explain how the mulch replace out could ever be scum? because mulch was extremely townie to me and that replace out was a massive nail in the town coffin
In post 4479, Nero Cain wrote:I think replacing out is mostly null. And meta wise his screaming to get wagons going is pretty similar to his play in NY203. What did you find townie from him?
In post 4480, Eddie Cane wrote:i agreed with his thoguhts reading through, its not really a meta read because i haven't played with scum mulch and in the game i spectated with him as scum i already had spoilers

but replacing out is null, sure. this specific one screamed town to me though. he had a mulch temper tantrum because nobody would sheep him, just as he does every single game as town. in the end, his shouting didn't work so he rage replaced. i don't see scum mulch ever doing that. this is stronger by the fact mulch prefers playing scum, is stronger as scum, and prides himself on his scum game. i don't think a scum mulch replaces here because that is not his wincon
In post 4481, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, true, Titus is pretty wonky but if she thinks I'm scum and my lone buddy or two is pushing this Flairs wagon then she needs to explain who they are and why. This "they" stuff just seems way shallow.

And her line about there being a counter-wagon to me b/c I'm "useful" to scum seems like her goal is to shift blame to once I flip town. And again she's not naming names so...
Me convincing Nero to lay off titus. Many more quotes of this nature. But sure, I'm just pocketing more people and bussing more scum.
In post 4583, Eddie Cane wrote:just fucking do it the mods online
And of course, shouting for a hammer on my second partner., and this one has been pushing me all day. I am the king of hard bussing it seems. :lol:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:2 scum likely left out of 12, 10:2. cool.

{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, MM4}
{Dave, Massive}
{Mary}

VOTE: mary saotome


this is scum and dies today. i am not going to even consider gerry/titus or up today, probably wont vote yumeko or mm4 either.
In post 4646, Eddie Cane wrote:changed my mind

UNVOTE:
In post 4648, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:
{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Dave, Massive}
{MM4}
As long as we keep lynching and vigging yumeko/mary/dave/massive/mm4 pool i think this game is done/ gs should probably check titus/gerry/wave/myself in the mean time, particularly gerry, just for reassurance and to remove risk of double targeting.
What. A. Shocker.
In post 4688, skirt skirt wrote:we aren't lynching Mary today :/
:/
In post 4779, skirt skirt wrote:i'm happy with the game as it is now. i think town is in control (more active people) and thats how we hit gr and flairs.
Look how fucking right I was with the scum team being flairs/yumeko/dave.

This actually segways into the offensive portion of this case, which is scum!yumeko as opposed to town Eddie.

Titus, this is more to you at first. You should know that it is moderately common for scum to post a lot early in the game and then drop out because they find it hard to be involved and not get called out. Yumeko posted useless walls early d1 that he even admitted he knew nobody read and then lurked out... until literally yesterday to push me and gerry as scum and avoid getting vigged. This is classic scum, not some godly played scum. Now Mary's turn: Mary, you admitted this is abnormal play for Yumeko. I can't speak to your meta, but PLEASE think about it more. That's all I can ask. Wallposting and then lurking the entire game except for an occasional buddying popin and prodge is not town play, and I let your meta lock town read allow yumeko to coast but of course that is gonna bite me in the butt here. Yumeko has a total of 48 fucking posts. le sigh I hate scum who win by active lurking.





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So after 5 awesome wall posts he admitted nobody would read, there was nothing substantial from yumeko... period.
In post 1738, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I will catch up on this tomorrow, is there anything I should be paying special attention to?
In post 2465, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
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In post 2713, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I'll get into this tomorrow or maybe the next phase
3 useless posts.
In post 3584, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 3531, TwoInAMillion wrote:kill group is Kid, Massive, and Mary
I think circumstantial evidence from looking at UnabombaH/Excession points towards KidAmn being town

I've fairly certain that Mary is town :) - I will be upset if you vig them

I don't want to sort through the game anymore because there's a lot of meaningless content - I took a look at UnabombaH as well as Dunkerdoodles and I have a feeling that Dunkerdoodles might be mafia
Wow, you don't want your pocketed vote vigged, shocker. Looks like dunker was the next planned push.
In post 4163, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Can people sum up what they are seeing in Flairs?

As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed
Wow, you're highly against the lynch of targets that had 3 scum out of 5 people who would've been alive. What a fucking shocker.

In post 4454, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs
And you give up and continue your pocket with another useful contribution. Awesome.


To be clear, after wallpost #5 (on page 35 early d1) I've quoted literally EVERY post. This is his contribution up to d3. :lol:
In post 4636, Yumeko Jabami wrote:VOTE: massive
Useful
In post 4846, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 4826, davesaz wrote:I think that isodive on Una is great work, but it's only 2/3 right. Una tossed in a random player (me) who would genuinely be someone who hadn't been in a game with her.
I also think we're looking at a SK or even another team.
VOTE: MarioManiac4
Can you explain how you went from null reading MarioManiac4 to placing a vote on them? Yesterday you had massive in your lowest tier and he voted against a scum lynch, what changed your mind from there to MarioManiac4?
Actually, you're all over the place, including claiming there's 3 kills when it's much more likely that dunker was simply the target of a strongman kill after claiming bulletproof.

A second mafia team seems very unlikely to me with a traitor having flipped. In a game this size, two scum teams means each scum team is about 3 persons large. It would be really strange to have an effective scumteam of 2 in a pt in a 21 person game along with a traitor - plus there's the logistics of if one team has a traitor does the other team have a traitor. Everything points to this being a single ball game. Twoinamillion is the town vig, I'd say the scum team is likely 5 members large including the traitor, though the traitor doctor is questionable. I'd think the doctor on mafia would indicate that the scum team is smaller than average as it's a rather powerful ability to have. Traitor makes me think the opposite, I think those things might cancel each other out

Looking through your iso, I'm not really seeing the thought process I saw early on. It looks to me like you're saying things more to avoid being lynched than to solve the game, if that makes sense? You really are all over the place. I've noted that you brushed aside Flairs as not really having read their posts and never made mention of IgnitionUSMC/game replacement at all.

VOTE: davesaz
This is the fun part. This is such an obvious bus case it's hilarious. At this point it was already accepted we were lynching Dave so he decided to force a case there. First real contribution since d1 and its a useless mini wallpost to justify voting someone the entire game was voting to try and look townier. Fuckin A.
In post 4914, Yumeko Jabami wrote:How boring.

I looked at the scum lynches:
Flairs (8): Mary Saotome, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, Nero Cain, Eddie Cane, Dunkerdoodles
davesaz (7): Boonskiies, skirt skirt, gerryoat, wavemode, Yumeko Jabami, KidAmn, massive
Game Replacement (11): Creature, wavemode, TwoInAMillion, Nero Cain, MarioManiac4, Mary Saotome, Eddie Cane, Flairs, massive, Dunkerdoodles, gerryoat
The following players have participated in 2 mafia lynches: Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat, skirt skirt, wavemode, Mary Saotome, massive, Eddie Cane, TwoInAMillion

The following players have participated in 0 mafia lynches: Titus

There's also some interactions with UnaBombah about Mulch that look off. Add to that that Mulch ignored many of the points I made against him early in the game as well as me having a bad feeling, on top of Titus seemingly defending scum players.

VOTE: Titus
Oh cool, its time for the Titus mislynch.
In post 4920, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I am a nonconsecutive jailkeeper. I targeted MarioManiac on night 1 and Mary on night 3, both as protective actions. If lynching Titus does not end the game I'd want to jailkeep massive, but if he is getting shot by our vigilante I will choose a different target and announce the target before night.
Meh. Weak targets. Mary was never getting killed n3, nobody townread her... lmfao.
In post 4933, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 4930, Mary Saotome wrote:How about lynch massive
vig wave
jail skirt
check me
I think this works out best because it covers everyone here besides our pr's' this game should basically be over after that yes?
I think if wave is a pr I should jail them instead. If they would be vigged anyway, jailkeeping them instead lets them verify my action if they are town

I don't think you need to be checked, I'm certain you are town Mary. I won't need to be checked either if Wave is a pr and I jailkeep him

If Titus doesn't have a gun I'd think massive was scum, looking back the times he voted mafia were after it seemed those players would have been the lynch
Setting up the massive lynch and pocketing Mary. Coolios.






Bored of PBPA and honestly PBPA doesn't make a good case anyways because its always confbiased. What does make a good case, however, is that that is EVERY POST SINCE EARLY D1. Yumeko posted 5 useless walls he acknowledged nobody would read and then proceeded to do literally nothing the entire game.



So, Mary and Titus. If you're going to vote me you need to talk to me first. Last game I played I was mislynched (still led to town winning with all the fuss I put up) as doc d4 after successfully saving 2 people because nobody would read my cases and just voted me anyways. I'm not going to give up just because Yumeko has been pocketing Mary all game and Titus seemingly forgets I made her fuck off Kidamn tunnel.
In post 5377, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5373, Mary Saotome wrote:Before I read the walls let me list my main concerns on both of you

Yumeko-I was looking back at you and a lot of your actions seem to be pinning others on why they're scum and not reasons why you can't be and the only thing I see that points to you saying you can't be scum is you preaching over and over about your jailkeep claim that is in no way provable yes you claimed early (I believe) but this was around there was 1 mafia left and you had nothing left to lose I'm also questioning why I'm alive I feel like I was 100% going to die after the flairs lynch because I pushed it so hard I'm extremely worried the reason I am alive this far into the game is because I had a read wrong along the road and it's you that has me in your pocket

Skirt-Honestly a huge reason I had (or am depending how you look at it) a tr on you was because of your tone do you get this upset as scum can you link me some of your scum games? I feel like a lot of your actions don't really make a ton of sense and the thing with you acting jail kept etc felt like a slip and you knowing you were jail kept it was a weird switch for me

Over all I want to talk to Titus before I vote and this is going to be a lot harder than I thought it would be.
only mobile, click my profile and Eddie Cane and click view topics. My two scum games since I returned were a micro and a normal, won both, id recommend you also look at my town games since I've returned, I think there's like 5. I don't think I can be metad but I also usually only get overly atey and angry as town (have only done it as scum like once cause havingfitz annoyed the fuck out of me), which is something. Me being jailed made no difference because the last scum is a proven strongman (hey! a strongman claiming protective! lmfao), but I haven't "scum slipped" in the 4 years I've been playing mafia plus a scum Eddie who was jailed and strongman killed tiam wouldn't have known he was jailed amyways.... eh.
In post 5378, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5376, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 4644, Eddie Cane wrote:2 scum likely left out of 12, 10:2. cool.

{EC, Boon, Wave, TIAM}
{Kidamn}
{Gerry, Titus}
{Yumeko, MM4}
{Dave, Massive}
{Mary}

VOTE: mary saotome


this is scum and dies today. i am not going to even consider gerry/titus or up today, probably wont vote yumeko or mm4 either.
In post 4646, Eddie Cane wrote:changed my mind

UNVOTE:
What caused this in the matter of 3 minutes you were very confident on my scum flip and stopped in the matter of minutes and defended me forever after that.
I'm a tone reader, tone readers like myself and rb do that frequently. I did the same thing several other times this game alone and pretty much any of my town or scum games you look at. This particularly, don't remember what but I read something that made me flip my read on you. Tone reading has it's issues which is why things like me and Nero happen but overall it's how I do best at reads wise, though i had Nero ad town lean anyways at the end. I also did thst with voting you then voting flairs iirc. The reason I was fosing you was for that "take over the game" comment or whatever, but I reconsidered.
In post 5382, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5380, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5373, Mary Saotome wrote:Before I read the walls let me list my main concerns on both of you

Yumeko-I was looking back at you and a lot of your actions seem to be pinning others on why they're scum and not reasons why you can't be and the only thing I see that points to you saying you can't be scum is you preaching over and over about your jailkeep claim that is in no way provable yes you claimed early (I believe) but this was around there was 1 mafia left and you had nothing left to lose I'm also questioning why I'm alive I feel like I was 100% going to die after the flairs lynch because I pushed it so hard I'm extremely worried the reason I am alive this far into the game is because I had a read wrong along the road and it's you that has me in your pocket

Skirt-Honestly a huge reason I had (or am depending how you look at it) a tr on you was because of your tone do you get this upset as scum can you link me some of your scum games? I feel like a lot of your actions don't really make a ton of sense and the thing with you acting jail kept etc felt like a slip and you knowing you were jail kept it was a weird switch for me

Over all I want to talk to Titus before I vote and this is going to be a lot harder than I thought it would be.
Look at how I interacted with mafia wagons?
What's crazy to me is that from your perspective I would have had to have bussed basically my entire team (Including the traitor, you and I both know I wouldn't have missed an obvious traitor signal like that if I was mafia) without ever really making a show of it up to the point where I was set to be vigged.
Again, you think if I was making some play for towncred by bussing my entire team I'd speak up before the vig shot at me. For me to be mafia I'd have to be basically letting myself get run over.

I don't really get what you mean by saying pinning others as scum? I think I've argued plenty as to why I'm not really scum last day phase - maybe this is a miscommunication?

The reason you are alive is because after the Flairs lynch all mafia kills have been town power roles. It is what it is, I think you deserved to be killed over dunkerdoodles and boonskies and think this will be the reason skirt skirt loses. Lastly, I told you skirt skirt was mafia. I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt today.
Excuse me? you didn't interact shit with the mafia wagons. you idled literally from 30% into d1 and missed the full gr wagon (didn't even address him), you voted flairs when the lynch was happening and literally did it by sheeping Mary, and you voted dave after boon pointed out how una had scum slipped and again it was inevitable. you didn't help with any scum lynch, or any town lynch, you did nothing past page 25 of this game. you had no choice about the vig, I was calling shots, and again it's fucking bullshit that you would've argued because that literally would've just outed you as scum, same with jking the vig.

and finally, your last line is literally pathetic. "I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt" is exactly why you let the gunsmith live knowing they weren't targeting me. even in this post im replying to you're going the buddying Mary route. smh dude
In post 5383, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5380, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5373, Mary Saotome wrote:Before I read the walls let me list my main concerns on both of you

Yumeko-I was looking back at you and a lot of your actions seem to be pinning others on why they're scum and not reasons why you can't be and the only thing I see that points to you saying you can't be scum is you preaching over and over about your jailkeep claim that is in no way provable yes you claimed early (I believe) but this was around there was 1 mafia left and you had nothing left to lose I'm also questioning why I'm alive I feel like I was 100% going to die after the flairs lynch because I pushed it so hard I'm extremely worried the reason I am alive this far into the game is because I had a read wrong along the road and it's you that has me in your pocket

Skirt-Honestly a huge reason I had (or am depending how you look at it) a tr on you was because of your tone do you get this upset as scum can you link me some of your scum games? I feel like a lot of your actions don't really make a ton of sense and the thing with you acting jail kept etc felt like a slip and you knowing you were jail kept it was a weird switch for me

Over all I want to talk to Titus before I vote and this is going to be a lot harder than I thought it would be.
Look at how I interacted with mafia wagons?
What's crazy to me is that from your perspective I would have had to have bussed basically my entire team (Including the traitor, you and I both know I wouldn't have missed an obvious traitor signal like that if I was mafia) without ever really making a show of it up to the point where I was set to be vigged.
Again, you think if I was making some play for towncred by bussing my entire team I'd speak up before the vig shot at me. For me to be mafia I'd have to be basically letting myself get run over.

I don't really get what you mean by saying pinning others as scum? I think I've argued plenty as to why I'm not really scum last day phase - maybe this is a miscommunication?

The reason you are alive is because after the Flairs lynch all mafia kills have been town power roles. It is what it is, I think you deserved to be killed over dunkerdoodles and boonskies and think this will be the reason skirt skirt loses. Lastly, I told you skirt skirt was mafia. I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt today.
Excuse me? you didn't interact shit with the mafia wagons. you idled literally from 30% into d1 and missed the full gr wagon (didn't even address him), you voted flairs when the lynch was happening and literally did it by sheeping Mary, and you voted dave after boon pointed out how una had scum slipped and again it was inevitable. you didn't help with any scum lynch, or any town lynch, you did nothing past page 25 of this game. you had no choice about the vig, I was calling shots, and again it's fucking bullshit that you would've argued because that literally would've just outed you as scum, same with jking the vig.

and finally, your last line is literally pathetic. "I thought you were willing to lynch skirt skirt" is exactly why you let the gunsmith live knowing they weren't targeting me. even in this post im replying to you're going the buddying Mary route. smh dude
In post 5384, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5381, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Also I don't think bulletproof scum makes a lot of sense since there was a doctor traitor - how much protective power does the mafia team get...? Furthermore, a mafia goon already flipped. There shouldn't be two power roles stacked on one mafia.
what does this even mean
In post 5398, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5397, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I'm really not mafia Mary, what adds up to me being scum? Just you being alive?

I haven't been avoiding the thread, I've been waiting for you and Titus. I don't have a reason to respond to skirt skirt alone.
considering I raised a bunch of points about you you absolutely do have a reason to respond to skirt skirt. you've been avoiding this thread... the entire game. with your complete 0 content between a quarter through d1 and d6. have you been waiting for Mary and Titus since page 35?
In post 5401, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5399, Mary Saotome wrote:I feel like a lot of the points you've shown for you being town (Jail keeper how you keeping a strong man is so low) are points that can't be proven. The only thing that you have going for you is you asking to be vigged. I had a really really big tr on you based on town and how you've acted but I really can't tell if I'm being bias or maybe you knew what I tr. The one thing you've shown to sr eddie is the unba interaction and it feels like that's the one statement you've made.

If you asked me to vote based on any day before this I'd vote skirt in a heartbeat

but if you asked me to vote based on today alone I'd vote you in a heartbeat
He didn't ask to be vigged.
In post 5302, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5288, Mary Saotome wrote:I would also feel really fucking bad if I mislynched her and I was wrong.
You know I won't hold any ill feelings if you suspect or lynch me as you would for another person? Not even if you're really paranoid of me.

I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.

And then there's the part where I was suppsoed to be vigged yesterday, meaning if I'm scum I would have just lost or
gambled
on TwoInAMillion changing his shot. You'd think if I was bussing my team as a ploy to get town credit and make it to the end then maybe I'd try to bring some of that stuff up before getting shot by the vigilante?

I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives. I just don't think anything adds up to me being scum unless you think I'm playing a horrible game.
This was his defense, but in reality its bullshit. Particularly, third paragraph. He would've lost, sure. But I was the one suggesting to vig him, Tiam had already expressed discontent with me before, he had no opportunity to argue to change the shit and honestly had to chance it. What exactly could he have said? I've been directing the vigs and lynches for that matter most of the game, and it was my pool, and everyone agreed to it. He also tried to argue earlier that he would've jailed tiam, but that
literally outs him as scum
. That was not ever an option and is just him covering his ass.

Mary, why excactly would you have voted me over yumeko any other day? Post d1 he
literally has not posted content
. He's sheeped you once and otherwise has had no involvement in the game. Coasting scum. You've even acknowledged he's playing differently.

But, we want to talk about the vig. Okay.
In post 4010, Eddie Cane wrote:{Dave, Massive, Flairs}
{Yumeko, Mary}
{Nero}

to be clear, these 6 are the vig pool hopefully minus our lynch nero. i think everyone should agree to these slots getting vigged considering they're all useless and different degrees of scummy.
In post 4163, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Can people sum up what they are seeing in Flairs?

As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed
The list of targets has 2 flipped scum and a third one unflipped. One of the three town there was getting lynched (nero). Wow. Guess what people there agreed to the vig pool? Nero, Mary, and Massive from memory. Guess who didn't comment on it? Dave and Flairs. Guess who the ONLY PERSON AGAINST IT WAS? Yumeko. So if your best defense is "vig", try the fuck again, because that's a huge red flag that Yumeko is just scum.
In post 5404, skirt skirt wrote:
But I'd have gladly proven my jailkeep ability when I claimed it, we could have planned around me roleblocking the vigilante. People thought that even if I was a jailkeeper I could still be scum though so I didn't push for that.
Wow. A joat with a roleblocker shot. I definitely didn't suggest that ages ago. Of course, that isn't even necessarily the case, because you never brought anything like that up...
I didn't ask to be vigged, I was against you being vigged .
because you lost if the person in your pocket would've died, titus had been scumreading you already, and gerry clearly scumread you over me yesterday, correct? After all,
I thought you knwe I was town.
Well let's talk then, I why do you think I'm scum based on today?
can i answer? a town mindset is to convince everyone you're town. you've already addressed me like you knew i was town in previous days. whereas, you ignored the MANY valid points I brought up against you today in favor of a garbage "wallpost" and trying to slide mary further into your pocket. There's still tons for you to go reply to, go wild. Or keep ignoring it and trying to pocket mary again.
I feel you aren't really giving me credit for all the things I've said
all 58 things you've said, right? and virtually every relevant one being d0.25/d6/d7?
Yesterday I tried to talk to you about skirt skirt too, I've thought he was scum over gerryoat.
wow. realizing myself and gerry would have to be the lynches. *shocker*
I think gerryoat is spending a lot of time trying to figure out hypotheticals we shouldn't act on. The chance that there's a strongman that is immune to gunsmith shots or that there are two mafia is so much lower than the chance that there is 1 mafia between gerry/skirt skirt that the second option is the one worth pursuing (as opposed to putting on a tin foil hat and thinking people who should be clear aren't)
wow. you sure did try to talk hard about skirt skirt yesterday. definitely wasn't just setting up the lynch today with general shade. :lol:
I want to point out that it would be weird for me to be mafia because abandoning my whole team and trying to make it to the end by myself isn't really something I'm known for? And then realize that I would have somehow voted out my whole team without anyone really acknowledging that I've been voting for scum all game.
wait? you've been voting for scum all game? you've sure helped a TON in lynching dave, flairs, and game. how could we ever have lynched them without boon finding una slipping partners, you blindly sheeping mary as your first post in like 3 day phases whne the lynch is inevitable, and not even being on the lynch or having posted in 60 pages? thank you so much for your help! you didn't abandon your team, persay, but i guess you did, because you let them do all the work while you idled although they did the exact same thing. /sigh
I also think I claimed jailkeeper before everyone else had claimed so if that was a fake claim and I was a strongman I would have a reason to suspect there was another protective role in the game? And risk claiming into a situation where there's 3 protectives.
i love a good wifom debate, no sarcasm. you took a risk because it was obvious at that point you got lynched over me and you had to try something. try again?
Oh, I see the flailing you were talking about now.
this is more of you trying to talk to mary about lynching me yesterday, right?
And we've been playing in this game for over a real life month - why do your votes still follow the guidelines for the vote counter? Do you think the rest of us should be in awe of you when you have trouble following simple directions? You being rude and frankly grandstanding about your contributions when you've made many mistakes and mispushes yourself does not make me feel good about you as a player.
i do love how this is the avenue you used to push me though, this is DEFINITELY a game breaking find from you in your awe-inspiring expedition to show mary i'm scum, right?









lemme give you some advice yumeko: don't lurk the full game as scum. it is active lurking and it is something that will not make you many friends on this site. as abraisive as i am, i still have lots of friends here, so i don't care for your personal attacks that have no game relevance.
In post 5405, skirt skirt wrote:now, i'll help you out here cause i'm so nice. go reply to my last wall and the one above, because there's a whooooole lot that shows why you're scum and you ignoring it does not look good.
In post 5408, skirt skirt wrote:
This is skirt skirt's reaction after I say we should jailkeep mary instead and the vig target moves onto skirt skirt. He is strongly against being shot - he very much wants to be jailkept here because he is a strongman and this looks very good for him. Him getting shot means he loses. This isn't the reaction of town who is making an auto win plan.
ahahahah this is the best you've got?

there was no auto win plan. there was only an autowin from a view where you're conf town, and that's naive and why gerry was so off base. the closest to conf town was wave, which is why i wanted you vigged (would've been auto win), but no, tiam had to ignore me. i've already gone in depth and explained why i didn't want to get vigged but good fucking try kiddo.
All of a sudden, the gunsmith check switches from me to mary and the thread is closed in about thirty minutes in what was basically a speedlynch. No time for me to challenge the action change. I am against the vig shot on me at this time because I believe it is better to check me and allow me to use my action again if the game has not ended by the time I get my next action. I briefly consider jailkeeping twoinamillion - my thinking is this prevents twoinamillion from shooting me, confirms my role, and prevents twoinamillion from dying if he is targeted. In hindsight, this would have been the correct choice. At the time, I hadn't realized that mafia could not act and kill at the same time (I realized this early into the day.) I thought me jailkeeping twoinamillion would be the selfish play, and that I'd continue being heavily suspected and ultimately be lynched. Letting myself die and following what everybody expected me to do seemed to be the team play. I also trusted that you (Mary) would close out the game.
this is where you fuck up though, because its not basically a speed lynch. the person you're trying so hard to pocket is the one who hammered, and one scum alive can't do anything called a "speedlynch". you also literally just said you were against the vig shot on you, and the big argument mary had for you being town was you being okay with being vigged which you just said you weren't but you didn't have time to post... so good job removing the only reason for you being town.


but, this is a great wallpost that says absolutely nothing and just tries to push a bullshit narrative while still ignoring the many points brought up for you being scum - note this discounts none of them but instead proves some being true.

:)
In post 5409, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5407, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5062, gerryoat wrote:Wut the hell is the point of having a bp enabler with a strong arm.
In post 5063, skirt skirt wrote:its probably a limited strong arm. 2x, or something like joat with one shotb eing a strongman one.
Why does skirt skirt's mind jump to a 2-shot strongman?

Isn't that a pretty weird assumption to make?
In post 5077, massive wrote:I feel like I've fallen into the "this is an autowin" mindset and I'm not being useful enough. Lynching me doesn't win.

This is osuka's lynch:

osuka
(10 - LYNCH):
MarioManiac4
, WhyMafia (now Titus),
TwoInAMillion,
Dunkerdoodles
, Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt),
Nero Cain
, Mary Saotome,
gerryoat,
Boonskiies
,
KidAmn


If I'm scum then this is all-town on town which I think I've seen happen ONCE in fifteen years.

Also note that this puts me on both scum lynches and NOT on the town lynch.
Then there's this - I've updated the coloring to match the current game state.
go review past games. 2x or joat are the common strongman types. play more and you'll understand game spec and why i've known wave/kid/5 scum/other things for a while. i'm good at setup spec, it comes with experience. as for one day of vca spec, want me to link an all town on town lynch? or two? or three? i think this happens in like half the games i've seen recently. but if we're leeching off others, mary/titus, review gerry's posts about yumeko. :)
In post 5412, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5410, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Mary, this is at you again, I want to discuss with you. I know there's the suggestion that I can be a scum jack of all trades with both a strongman and a roleblock but I think that idea is silly.

My first point against it is that I believe a combination of strongman and roleblocker is too strong to both be on one mafia member. Remember, this is a normal game. I wouldn't be against that in a theme game, where town also had better roles... here, just looking at the other mafia flips:

Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Doctor Traitor
Mafia 2-shot Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Encryptor isn't really much of anything in terms of power - it's worth about as much as a good, maybe less because that could just be a mechanic without the ability to lose day talk.
Doctor Traitor is a strong role. Being a traitor (and a doctor) means this role appears as innocent to the gunsmith. This role provides some protection against the town vigilante.
2-shot rolecop is a fairly powerful investigative ability. Setup-spec wise this becomes important for my second point.

We know the last mafia has a strongman ability at the very least. This is a strong ability, bypassing the bodyguard directly (ignoring me for now to offer a more fair perspective to you).
If it was a joat, it would need at least 3 abilities, do you agree on this? Just roleblocker strongman doesn't make sense because there's also a good so those two abilities could be split between them.
So we're at roleblocker + strongman right now - this is currently the strongest role mafia would have, but we're not done because joat's have 3 abilities at minimum right?

We'll call that my second point - this mafia role would be vastly and surprisingly more powerful than any other role on it's team or in the game.

This brings me to my third point, which is that there really isn't anything left for a mafia joat to be past strongman and roleblocker.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... rmal_Roles

Take a look at this, I want to know your opinion here, I'm getting into heavy setup spec. These are normal roles - I think it's fair to assume we're using only explicitely whitelisted roles for this last ability?


Passive roles don't make sense on a joat - that's just how I understand it. Regardless, we can cross out things like universal backup because there is a vig in the game (too strong combination), we can cross out bodyguard because there is a traitor doctor.

Active Protective roles also don't make sense for that reason - mafia already has a doctor. This includes commuter but that's an even stronger role.

Investigative roles don't make sense because there is a 2-shot rolecop. That's already plenty of investigative power... remember, if you assume I am a mafia joat, town only has 4 things that can be checked (ascetic can't be checked).

The only role that actually makes sense in my mind for this theoretical joat to have is neighborizor. So if you agree with my reasoning above, you would think theoretically if I had this crazy role I would have neighborized UnaBombaH at the start when they got shot? Otherwise I would have neighborized you over the course of the game. Also, scum neighborizor with a powerful traitor is a really weird interaction, so even this is unlikely.
Yumeko, this is at you again. Nice wall of absolute fucking garbage that literally means nothing. First of all, your roleblock isn't proven and you never said you should prove it so stop acitng like any of that happened ever. But hey, for fun, lets treat your post as if itw as because that means nothing.

My first point against it is that I believe a combination of strongman and roleblocker is too strong to both be on one mafia member. Remember, this is a normal game. I wouldn't be against that in a theme game, where town also had better roles... here, just looking at the other mafia flips:
Um... no?? That's absolutely a reasonable combination for a scum joat. Its significantly weaker than a seperate roleblocker and a strongman since they can't be used the same night, and it limits it cleaner than two 1x roles.

Encryptor isn't really much of anything in terms of power - it's worth about as much as a good, maybe less because that could just be a mechanic without the ability to lose day talk.
Doctor Traitor is a strong role. Being a traitor (and a doctor) means this role appears as innocent to the gunsmith. This role provides some protection against the town vigilante.
2-shot rolecop is a fairly powerful investigative ability. Setup-spec wise this becomes important for my second point.
Um... no?? Not all mods give day chat, encryptor is not "just as good as a goon"....... Traitor was already immune to the gunsmith so doctor doesn't even help with that so it just helps with the vig. Combining them is significantly weaker. It is also far more punishing to mafia since they can lynch their traitor with bad play. 2-shot rolecop is not a fairly powerful player when the game is this size, but okay...

We know the last mafia has a strongman ability at the very least. This is a strong ability, bypassing the bodyguard directly (ignoring me for now to offer a more fair perspective to you).
If it was a joat, it would need at least 3 abilities, do you agree on this? Just roleblocker strongman doesn't make sense because there's also a good so those two abilities could be split between them.
So we're at roleblocker + strongman right now - this is currently the strongest role mafia would have, but we're not done because joat's have 3 abilities at minimum right?
And if towns only protection is a bp bg then only a single shot of strongman makes perfect sense, or two at most, because you don't want to nullify an already weak and temporary protective role. The only point of a strongman shot is to make town not have a good shot of auto winning upon massclaim and follow the copping the gs. same reason doc traitor is a thing. A) joat don't need three abilities, but B) who knows what the third should could be, maybe a neighbourize or something unused. doesn't really make a difference, you're so far into wifom city at this point and it doesn't even help game spec. joats do not need three abilities at minimum, though, no, and you seemingly fail to grasp that a joat is marketdly weaker than a seperate strongman and rber because they can only use one a night and it puts far more pressure on keeping a person alive which can screw scum over. note how you conveniently are the last scum living? :thinking:
We'll call that my second point - this mafia role would be vastly and surprisingly more powerful than any other role on it's team or in the game.
um, no? "vastly and surprisngly" is actually fucking hilarious though. are you a writer? because unfortunately adding fluff like "vastly and surprisingly" does not help game solve, and is a legitimate tell that people are lying (psychology 101 I can cite sources if needed), but hey, if you wanna go write a short story about your adventures in mafia then feel free to use garbage filler like that. it is not "vastly more powerful" either, rolecop and doctor are strong roles...?
Take a look at this, I want to know your opinion here, I'm getting into heavy setup spec. These are normal roles - I think it's fair to assume we're using only explicitely whitelisted roles for this last ability?


Passive roles don't make sense on a joat - that's just how I understand it. Regardless, we can cross out things like universal backup because there is a vig in the game (too strong combination), we can cross out bodyguard because there is a traitor doctor.

Active Protective roles also don't make sense for that reason - mafia already has a doctor. This includes commuter but that's an even stronger role.

Investigative roles don't make sense because there is a 2-shot rolecop. That's already plenty of investigative power... remember, if you assume I am a mafia joat, town only has 4 things that can be checked (ascetic can't be checked).
A load of useless garbage. Your argument for being town is that there's an unkown third joat role to go with your unproven roleblocker shot and a strongman shot. Commuter, random other role, neighbourizer, all make sense. 2x strongman 2x roleblock. 1x strongman 1x rb 1x bg. 1x strongman 1x jk. there's tons of possibilities and this is not anything like an argument for you being town.




yumeko, i want to make something clear. i enjoy fighting a scum who plays well and actually puts up a fight. if you're going to attack me personally and ignore all of my valid points to try harder to peddle bullshit and pocket mary, after spending an ENTIRE GAME AVOIDING THE THREAD ACTIVELY, that's pathetic and your "low opinion of me" is reflected right back at you.
In post 5429, skirt skirt wrote:
Game 1496: The Cash Cabd
Moderator: Cabd
Current Update: Town Win

Players
notscience replaces Fegelein, Mafia Encryptor, lynched Day 4
Titus replaces FuDuzn who replaced Banksys Flareon, Vanilla Townie, survives
GuyInFreezer replaces Sound of Silence, Town Compulsive One-Shot Neighborizer, survives
Rail Tracer, Town Odd-Night Cop, survives
artemiskitty, Vanilla Townie, survives
Cephrir replaces Ranawey who replaced Humble Poirot, Town Compulsive Even-Night Hider, died Night 2
Brian Skies, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 3
beastcharizard replaces Mario and the Diamonds, Vanilla Townie, survives
Rebel Without a Pulse, Town Miller Doctor, survives
ProHawk replaces Mogamma who replaced HopefullyCynical, Vanilla Townie, survives
Natirasha replaces Saki, Mafia One-Shot Strongman, lynched Day 2
Daniel Bryan replaces zakk, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1
Dessew, Vanilla Townie, died Night 1



Mini 1559: The 80s!
Moderator: toolenduso
Current Update: Town Win

Players
DOMO, Town Two-Shot Day Gun Inventor, died night 3
Elyse, Town Jailkeeper, survived
Egg, Town Cop, died night 2
farside22, Vanilla Townie, survived
Rhinox, Vanilla Townie, survived
havingfitz replaced Klick who replaced Kcdaspot, Mafia Two-Shot Strongman, lynched day 4
kushm4sta, Vanilla Townie, survived
skitzomaniak, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
pisskop, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
SiX replaced GuyInFreezer, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Jake from State Farm, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
bjc, Mafia Rolecop, lynched day 2
evilpacman18, Vanilla Townie, died night 2


Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery
Moderator: BipolarChemist
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players
Cheery Dog replaced Boonskiies, Vanilla Town, lynched day 5
Aneninen, Vanilla Town, died night 5
Misaka Network, Vanilla Town, lynched day 2
sthar8 replaced BroodKingEXE, Vanilla Town, endgamed day 6
chaoslord54, Town Tracker, died night 3
evilpacman18, Vanilla Town, lynched day 6
Riddleton Replaced Antihero) who replaced Jakuzure Nonon, Vanilla Town, lynched day 3
Guyett replaced Super Mario, Mafia Strongman, survived
don_johnson, Town Jailkeeper, died night 2
startfromtheheart, Town Bodyguard, died night 4
Konowa, Mafia Traitor, lynched day 4
Chevre, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
reinoe, Vanilla Town, died night 1


Mini 1757
Moderator: BulletNLynchproof
Current Update: Town Win

Playerlist
Zulfy, Town Mason, survived
Alchemist21, Vanilla Townie, survived
Madonna, Vanilla Townie, survived
Nosferatu, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
droog replaced Chumba, Mafia Goon, lynched day 6
BlueBloodedToffee, Town Mason, died night 1
Golden Robster replaced Performer, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 5
UpTooLate, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Dwlee99, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
Bitten10minutesago replaced Heat, Mafia 1-shot Strongman, lynched day 4
RadiantCowbells replaced Albert B. Rampage, Town Jailkeeper, died night 5
TheCow, Vanilla Townie, died night 2
Boonskiies, Town Motion Detector, survived

Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood
Moderator: DiamondSentinel
Current Update: Mafia Win

Playerlist
Dwlee99, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 4
Ricastle, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
Some Random Mafia Player, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
Aristophanes, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
Persivul replaced Skullmaster4, Mafia Goon, survived
hasta_la_pasta, Town Doctor, endgamed day 4
Garmr, Town Tracker, died night 3
Nosferatu, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, survived
droog replaced DrCirno, Mafia 1-Shot Roleblocker, survived
Antihero replaced JohnnyFarrar, Town Cop, died night 2
Number_0ne, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
insanity018, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
Lowell, Vanilla Townie, endgamed day 4



Mini 1796 | May 13th
Moderator: Creature
Current Update: Mafia Win

Playerlist
Tommy Mafia Goon, Lynched D3
Raskolnikov Town Cop, Killed N2
drmyshottyizsik Town 1-shot Bulletproof, Lynched D1
Lowell Vanilla Town, Lynched D6
Dunnstral Vanilla Town, Killed N1
Zachstralkita Vanilla Town, Killed N4
Infinity 324 nnn_thekushmountains² Vanilla Town, Lynched D2
AlpacaAlpaca Blue Yoshi Vanilla Town, Lynched D4
Transcend Mafia 1-shot Strongman, Survived
JarJarDrinks Vanilla Town, Endgamed D6
Trivium Vanilla Town, Killed N3
inspectorscout Town Jailkeeper, Endgamed D6
Bacde Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades (Tracker/Watcher/Rolecop), Lynched D5


Mini Normal 1823
Moderator: mhsmith0
Current Update: Mafia Win

Playerlist
Xkfyu, vanilla townie, Endgamed day 4
Lowell, vanilla townie, killed night one
Vedith replaced eagerSnake, mafia encryptor, lynched day three
xSoniaNevermindx, mafia 1-shot strongman, survived
Transcend, vanilla townie, lynched day one
BlackStar, mafia goon, survived
TierShift, vanilla townie, lynched day four
algebra, town doctor, killed night two
gerryoat, town tracker, lynched day two
Mimikyu, vanilla townie, killed night three
texcat, town vigilante, killed night three
dwlee99 replaced Zyf, town 1-shot bulletproof, endgamed day 4
Saru, vanilla townie, killed night two


Mini Normal 1825
Moderator: Accountant
Current Update: Over [awaiting archiving]

Playerlist
Glitch, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
House replaced gameplay506, Mafia Neapolitan, lynched day 3
BlueBloodedToffee replaced Comparing Realities, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 6
Saru, Mafia Night One Strongman, lynched day 5
Titus replaced pitoli, Vanilla Townie, died night 4
Expedience replaced Naomi-Tan, Town Jailkeeper, died night 2
Dierfire, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 2
rb, Vanilla Townie, endgamed
SpyreX replaced RyanK, Town One-Shot Vigilante, died night 5
MathBlade replaced golden009, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 4
Chuck, Mafia Goon, won
camn replaced Cass, Town Rolecop, died night 3
Martha Zolanski, Town Doctor, died night 1



Mini Normal 1848
Moderator: keyenpeydee
Current Update: Ended [Awaiting archiving]
Playerlist
Road Kamelot replaced MisaTange, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
ArcAngel9 replaced ThinkBig, Town Jailkeeper, survived
Toto, Mafia Goon, lynched day 2
Nero Cain replaced Lohikäärme, Mafia Goon, lynched day 4
Drone, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, lynched day 1
rb replaced DeathByWobbuffet replaced copper223, Vanilla Townie, survived
Human Sequencer, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
MortFeld, Vanilla Townie, survived
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, survived
TwoFace, One-Shot Town Vigilante, killed night 2
Naomi-Tan, Vanilla Townie, survived
ChaosOmega, Town Odd Night Cop, survived
Shadow_step rep. Creeps20, Vanilla Townie, survived


Mini 1860
Moderator: eagerSnake
Current Update: Game Over [Awaiting Archiving]

Playerlist
PsychoticDave, Town Doctor, killed night 1
keyenpeydee, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1
TwoFace, Vanilla Townie, survived
JarJarDrinks, Town Roleblocker, killed night 3
Gamma Emerald, Town Vigilante, survived
-Grey-, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, lynched day 2
ssbm_Kyouko, Town 1-Shot Commuter, killed night 2
havingfitz replaced Vijarada, Vanilla Townie, survived
gerryoat, Mafia Watcher, lynched day 4
Tywin Lannister, Town Cop, killed night 2
CloudKicker GreyIce replaced Gear, Mafia Roleblocker, killed day 4
Raskolnikov, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
Lil Uzi Vert, Vanilla Townie, killed night 4


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Titus, replaced Pepchoninga, Town JOAT (Tracker/Follower/Motion Detector), lynched day 4
Lexa, Mafia JOAT (Ninja, Strongman, Roleblocker), survived
karnos,
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ThinkBig replaced KTthecreeper, Vanilla Townie, killed night 4
Alisae, Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3
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Desully, 2-Shot Town Vigilante, killed night 2
FrankJaeger, 1-Shot Strongman 1-Shot Bulletproof Serial Killer, survived
Superhans, Vanilla Townie, killed night 1
JaeReed replaced nancy replaced ConManMick, Mafia 1-Shot Strongman, killed night 4
Nero Cain, Mafia Goon, lynched day 3
LicketyQuickety, Town Bodyguard, lynched day 1
alban, 2-Shot Mafia Roleblocker, killed night 1
Creature replaced bjc0303, Town Compulsive Bodyguard, killed night 2
Fart, Town Jailkeeper, killed night 1
Ms Columbo, Vanilla Townie, killed night 3
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Creature, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 3
DrumBeats, Town Role Cop, killed night 4
Zachstralkita, Town Neighboriser, killed night 5
Ircher, Town Universal Backup, killed night 1
RadiantCowbells replaced MartinNikolai, Town Citizen, killed night 3
MarioManiac4, Town Citizen, survived
Gratiae, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 4
firecrocer, Town Citizen, lynched day 5
Dunnstral replaced Formerfish, Mafia Strongman, lynched day 6
Elena Fisher, Town Citizen, lynched day 1
Flavor Leaf replaced ThinkBig, Town Citizen, lynched day 2
Wake88, Town Loyal Cop, killed night 2



So the reason I said 2 shot strongman is because in my experience 2 shot is the most common modifier for a weak setup like this. But, here's some background. Out of the strongman in the normal archives, there's:

9 1 shot
1 2 shot
1 unlimited
1 JoaT

plus a game where all 3 mafia are just unlimited strongmen instead of goons as an aesthetic kinda thing.


So, to be clear, Yumeko claimed he jailkept me. Based on history, its actually very likely mafia strongman was 1 shot (far more likely than I remembered, and notedly more likely when the only protective is a 1 shot bp bg as opposed to a doctor or rolestopper or something), and therefore I couldn't have made the kill if I was scum. If yumeko is gonna refuse to acknowledge my logical and actual game based non-wifom arguments I'll happily beat his wifom bs too.
In post 5430, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5426, Mary Saotome wrote:I think Yumeko's defenses are really strange but there are also some tells Yumeko is doing that I've only seen from town her that makes me very iffy I don't really have much to ask you because nothing really comes to mind. This isn't to say I don't have my doubts but I can't really think of much at the moment.

I guess one question is why would it have been so bad for you to be vigged I believe you answered this already but hearing it again for my sake is nice
You are aware he knew you would be in this game with him and as scum he'd have to play to his town meta or right?

I had absolutely no confidence in town and would not have been okay dying and handing the reins off. I have been incredibly obvious town the entire game (note how every single argument yumeko made for him being town applies to me moreso, ie pushing scum lynches), and it honestly hurt me that tiam, the person whom I hard defended from day 1 and refused to allow him to get lynched even when boon acknowledged he was town and wanted to policy him, wanted to vig me when in my opinion I'd been holding the game together. There was no autowin, again, unless you use the pov that you are obv town which is what gerry was doing and was wrong, so keeping myself alive is pro town. It was an autowin for me because I knew wave was town due to setup spec, but me dying also meant I wouldn't be alive to defend wave when I've lock towned him since d2 and nobody else even townread him and a big reason is I thought you guys would mislynch him and give scum a shot. This is not a reason I gave earlier, but it is a big one that I only didn't mention because I felt like it made me sound way too cocky. I never have and never will be okay with getting vigged, though, I think the only time in history I've said I was okay getting vigged is when I actually was vig and was faking scum out (almost succeeded, it was chocolate mafia if you wanna look it up). That's my ego and me having more confidence in my own reads than everyone else's, I play extremely selfish as town but that's that.
In post 5484, skirt skirt wrote:What do you think of my perception that Yumeko's sole intent of play is to pocket you enough that you'll tell titus to vote me?
In post 5485, skirt skirt wrote:Sources:

1) Ignored my many valid points without even attempting to answer
2) Only addresses anything to you
3) Has spent the entire game sucking up to you
if you're going to quote your entire iso I'll quote 5% of mine, but more I actually responded to yumeko and he still can't respond to me
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Post Post #5521 (isolation #279) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:35 am

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In post 2441, Eddie Cane wrote:who would lynch wave
In post 2442, Creature wrote:From your scum list, I could do Yumeko, wavemode and Mary Saotome.
In post 2443, Mulch wrote:Wanna do Yumeko? I'm veoting Mary
creature was scumreading me at the beginning for lurking because I was busy irl (site activity verifies this cause I was in other games at the time and lurking there too), that shifted to us voting together most of the latter part of the day. not only that, but he /also/ scumread yumeko, quoted mulch (your slot) scumreading yumeko cause I happened to see it, and finally, creature was never getting lynched with town me and town mm4 cause we both can meta him without fail. theta next
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Post Post #5522 (isolation #280) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:38 am

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In post 3270, Theta Alpine wrote:
In post 3266, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3264, WhyMafia wrote:If we get a guilty, the invest should definitely claim it though xD
this. 2 maf down, and no day chat. we are way up.
nowhere in the rules does it say there is no day chat

so why did you say that
In post 3271, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3270, Theta Alpine wrote:
In post 3266, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3264, WhyMafia wrote:If we get a guilty, the invest should definitely claim it though xD
this. 2 maf down, and no day chat. we are way up.
nowhere in the rules does it say there is no day chat

so why did you say that
the encryptor died ?_?
In post 3273, Theta Alpine wrote:i forgot about that
sorry
where did theta express a scumread on me?
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Post Post #5523 (isolation #281) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:39 am

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and, to be clear, those are both dead guys. point 2 next, god I hate phoneposting
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Post Post #5524 (isolation #282) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:41 am

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In post 4539, davesaz wrote:If Flairs is scum, I don't see any effective counterwagon. Makes me question that wagon. I don't TR Flairs (low null), but it seems like this would be an easy target for scum.
Two of my scumleans are on there.
VOTE: Yumeko Jabami
this is why you'll vote someome I know your head is saying is town but paranoia? lolz. this was his only post, he's already shown he is fine with not tring his partners (low null), and this vote was never gonna do anything, how would a random single naked yumeko vote do absolutely anything to get the lynch off flairs...
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Post Post #5525 (isolation #283) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:44 am

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it's also interesting to note that earlier on dave called yumekos walls likely town and later put him at the bottom of his reads for hot air, pairing him up with Mary already setting up the Mary lynch if yumeko flipped town. it's weak distancing.
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Post Post #5526 (isolation #284) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:46 am

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In post 4233, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i bet atleast one of (mary, yumeko) is scum
if you wanna talk about dead guys reads, though, the n3 scum kill :)
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Post Post #5527 (isolation #285) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:48 am

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In post 4755, Boonskiies wrote:Okay, actually, you know what.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

This is scum.
the n4 kill townread me and scumread yumeko too :thinking:
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Post Post #5528 (isolation #286) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:56 am

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and, at that point, kidamn and tiam were the next kills regardless. but Titus, I have yet another point that's directly relevant to you: with yumeko scum, all 5 scum were lurking and letting town read itself apart. but them lurking is likely what enabled us to hit gr, which any good scum team could've averted with another lurker lynch, and hit flairs soon after. with me as scum none of that would've happened, particularly the gr lynch. plus, additional very wifom point since you want wifom territory by bringing up nk reads: if I was scum, and tiam had vigged yumeko like I asked, what woulsve been the plan? I could never vote wave, if I was scum id have been wking him the entire game and flipping that would've killed all credibility. I couldn't have voted the gunsmith, I had already convinced you to stop pushing him and again would look awful. you were innod. after my Mary lynch lylo was basically over.

basically Titus, I know you're very busy to the point you idled the whole lylo in that micro too, I appreciate you reading as much as you had. yumeko's game annoys me to the point im not going to be comfortable losing to him so I'm not going to let paranoia get me lynched.
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Post Post #5530 (isolation #287) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:27 pm

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If we no lynch it doesn't really matter, I'm good ending today or waiting. Titus, I guess all I have left to say is please don't lose the game to paranoia. Unless you accidentally looked at the vig kills (I haven't checked those so not sure if any of them scumread me), not a single nk has scumread me at all I don't think, and I'm certain none have more than yumeko. If you're comfortable voting me because of weak ass distance vote that had no attempt to motivate anyone and paranoia, go ahead. I think I outlined very clearly in my walls why I'm town, and I think yet another huge ass flag is
it is lylo and yumeko won't acknowledge any of my arguments at all
. I say that point over and over because it shocks me people are being okay with that. I am good as scum, but that isn't a reason for me to get lynched. Keep in mind, Mary was hard pocketed by Yumeko all game and she was able to see through that, and she has meta on him. I won't be mad at you if you mislynch me at this point, I'll feel sadness but for other reasons, and if you want to no lynch for whatever reason that's cool too. Just make sure if you vote me you think hard about what I've said and if you're doing it out of paranoia. If you want to talk more about anything, I'll likely reply timely up until around 8pm edt (est? idr) tomorrow at which point I'll be gone until deadline (probably only phoneposting tomorrow though).
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Post Post #5531 (isolation #288) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:52 pm

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Spoiler: skip this if you don't want to see meta arguments that I might as well post even though I know I'll replicate this playstyle as scum eventually because I do that with every town style at some point so I consider this relatively moot because I don't think I can be meta'd but it is still here if it interests you. compiled some games and analysis
My two most recent scumgames:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73125
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72998

My two most recent town games:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73043
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72708

In the town games, you'll notice something very similar to my play here; I go extremely low content early on, with mastina doing the posting early on in the hydra game and me basically just shitposting and throwing shit at the wall for reactions in the normal. Later, I start ramping up wallposts. Both times, I caught scum, though both times I was lynched (even after saving towns ass by blocking 2/3 nks in one and nailing and tunnelling the scum team from d1 in the other....... /salt). And, you'll notice anger in both, along with the plentiful wallposts lategame.

In the scum games, you'll notice I played very different. In the micro, it was a 19 page game and I shot the masons n1+2 and won cleanly to the point I literally could've asked to be hammertested. Actually, same in the other game, boon and I (and skitter, she was good too) controlled basically the entire game, boon d1 while I was busy irl and the rest of the game I played very passively (for me). That isn't passively as in lurking, but as in not aggressively tunnelling someone. Yknow what you don't see in either game? No petty arguing besides with my partners (in both haha), no dickishness, and most imprtantly no walls. Recently, as town when I've been getting run up I've been walling to hell and back with game analysis and opponent analysis and blah. As scum, I prefer to pocket enough votes that I don't need to do that. In fact, in both games, lylo was... literally just my pockets. I don't put myself in positions like this as scum, where as far as I was aware before today there was no universe where Mary would vote yumeko. I would not have townread wave from d2, I had a scumread on him lined up and had just shoved a gr lynch down people's throats, the scumread was free. Obviously we are in wifom city,
but there is no world where I went to lylo with this group. I also would not EVER kill creature as scum, and boon probably would've been strongmanned n1 because I typically like to kill high activity players early (call it slimy but apathy is awful) if I don't have a pr read.

Gonna cut it out with the wifom because I can't really prove it (I can cite examples but meh) and it doesn't really matter. However, note this: people usually say scum put more forethought in than town, but honestly, the opposite is true for me. As scum I play fluidly and go with the game. As town, I plan days in advance. Notice in both town games I hyperanalyze my play and in neither scum game is that true to even a comparable degree. This isn't because I couldn't easily do the same as scum, but actually, I just much prefer playing town. It is outright more fun. I put a ton of thought into town games because I am very competitive, but as scum, while I think a lot (if you view scum threads they'll be lengthy), it just isn't the same. I don't know if I can really put words to it, but if you skim my isos in those games (go back further if you want just the most recent here) I think you'll be able to match this up pretty night and day.


Ah, 3 lengthy paragraphs that nobody's ever gonna read. Mafia is fun!:D I am probably gonna be posting all day tomorrow if you vote me jsyk in advance, I realllllly don't want this to be the first time I'm ever endgamed as town. We are cool though either way Titus, don't worry.
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Post Post #5532 (isolation #289) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:53 pm

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I also just realized deadline is 1d 20 hours and not 1d 2 hours so I actually have more time than I thought, I should be on sunday afternoon from 1pm ed/st for the last few hours if necessary.
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Post Post #5533 (isolation #290) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:55 pm

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gn <3
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Post Post #5535 (isolation #291) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:21 am

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VOTE: nl
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Post Post #5536 (isolation #292) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:45 am

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yumeko or mary can you hammer no lynch while I'm online please? :)
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Post Post #5538 (isolation #293) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:28 am

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yumeko, i'm sk, that's why i wanted to get gunsmithed and not vigged. i'm shooting titus, shoot mary, we can have a joint win.

gg everyone :)
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Post Post #5541 (isolation #294) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:33 am

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sorry, i could've ended the day way quicker but i wanted the solo win really badly. doesn't feel the same getting a half win, but hey, i'll take it over risking getting hammered tomorrow :p
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Post Post #5542 (isolation #295) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:34 am

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ftr: sk is a shit role and i had to idle the whole game for there to ever be a shot.i'm calling this win luck. that's also how i knew tiam wasn't sk :-)
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Post Post #5544 (isolation #296) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:37 am

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actually, lemme shoot mary. i don't want to risk yumeko not shooting and letting mary pick him over me in kingmaker :p you can shoot titus.
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Post Post #5545 (isolation #297) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:38 am

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In post 5543, Mary Saotome wrote:Okay yeah that makes much more sense over your defense before....FUCK IT ALL FITS INTO PLACE DAM YOU EDDIE
aha sorry being sk is hard this game took a loooot of effort
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Post Post #5546 (isolation #298) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:40 am

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hey ! you /did/ switch your read to scum yumeko, i consider that a sign of a good player that you reconsidered in lylo

the fact i was also scum doesn't really change much, as town or sk yumeko was still scum. you should be happy with how you played, other than boon i don't think any player here would've ever read me as sk :c
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Post Post #5547 (isolation #299) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:41 am

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In post 5544, skirt skirt wrote:actually, lemme shoot mary. i don't want to risk yumeko not shooting and letting mary pick him over me in kingmaker :p you can shoot titus.
to make sure we don't fuck up and have to deal with kingmaker:

i am shooting mary. you are shooting titus.
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Post Post #5552 (isolation #300) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:21 pm

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didn't have time to do my gambit properly because wasn't ready for hammer, but I faked sk for a good reason. more detailed explanation in an hour or so.
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Post Post #5553 (isolation #301) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:22 pm

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VOTE: yumeko jabami
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Post Post #5559 (isolation #302) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:50 pm

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The purpose of my gambit? Yumeko is newer, so I was hoping he wouldn't realize
mafia can't "joint win" with sk - that is a bullshit sentence I conconcted and I hoped he would have associated it with two different mafia teams sometimes being able to joint win in multiball
.

Here were all the scenarios I figured could play out:
1) Yumeko pms mod to confirm if he can joint win with sk -> mod says no -> he assumes I fucked up and kills me while I kill mary endgaming titus and taking the win -> he killed the only non-conftown and town auto wins. Ideal.
2) Yumeko shoots. Still awesome, because I think Titus wanted a no lynch to see if there would be a kill, but I didn't trust her to realize scum!yumeko always no killed there regardless. I didn't really care who he shot, originally I thought him shooting Mary would be better (hence why I gave the first set of kill actions) because Titus would see a scum kill, know there's no unlimited strongman, and lynch him for the win. After a bit of last-second thought (because I was not ready for a hammer at all -_- that's why I said make sure I'm online mary gah) I decided it would be better for him to kill Titus because Mary was not going to potentially paranoia-lynch me. Didn't make a big difference either way, but that was the waffle on targets.
3) Nothing changes, Yumeko doesn't shoot. The game is the exact same as it would have been without my gambit. This was WORST CASE and while it happened the point is that the absolute worst case was the game being the same as it would've been before.

The gambit had a relatively good shot to work in my opinion, and here's why.
1) I know how to convincingly gambit. Saying "I'm SK GG" would not have bought anything, for the same reason "
mod - I dayvig yumeko
" would not have been believed by anyone - you need to sell your gambits. I threw together some believable reasoning. This is EXACTLY what I did in penguin mafia as an excuse to distance from the people I docced successfully nights 2 and 3 - I did not want a universe where mafia doc-read me in a game with a bunch of people playing like idiots.
2) Yumeko had to have doubt in his mind. If he risked not shooting and I was sk, he would've risked losing to kingmaker. I placed pressure on him to make a kill, and at worst I'm 100% sure I made him nervous :lol: I tried to make the cost of not shooting as great as I possibly could, and SK was the only thing I thought would even be half believable.
3) Absolute worst case nothing in the game state changes, and that is why I decided it was a good idea.

Now that the fun stuff is over,
In post 5554, Yumeko Jabami wrote:skirt skirt has no reason to attempt a gambit there as town but every reason to attempt a gambit as scum.

I don't even think he is a serial killer, I think he is a part of the mafia and that he tried to kill titus last night in an attempt to frame me. I jailkept titus.

VOTE: skirt skirt
This is a direct slip. Why would town!you EVER not jail me?
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Post Post #5561 (isolation #303) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:51 pm

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In post 5557, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Titus, I hope you can see this for what it is: skirt skirt trying to pull off a slimy scum gambit hoping that I chose to save my jailkeep. That or the last scum is somehow immune to me targeting them directly. I targeted you directly.

Mary, I hope you realize that I would have killed you as mafia there. skirt skirt said he was going to kill you. If I were mafia, I could easily push that I jailkept skirt skirt and that he is an unlimited strongman because he is a serial killer. Then I'm left with Titus who is already leaning on skirt skirt and skirt skirt who claimed sk to try to win.
Um? No?
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Post Post #5562 (isolation #304) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:52 pm

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In post 5560, Yumeko Jabami wrote:You know it's true though

Do you think as mafia I have a reason to keep you alive after that play from skirt skirt?
Because... I'm the only non-conftown townie alive and you easily could have lost?
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Post Post #5563 (isolation #305) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:52 pm

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There was LITERALLY NO REASON to not jail me over Titus, except for you basically saying you're okay with mary dying because you wanted titus to pick you in a kingmaker that doesn't actually exist.
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Post Post #5565 (isolation #306) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:54 pm

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In post 5561, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5557, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Titus, I hope you can see this for what it is: skirt skirt trying to pull off a slimy scum gambit hoping that I chose to save my jailkeep. That or the last scum is somehow immune to me targeting them directly. I targeted you directly.

Mary, I hope you realize that I would have killed you as mafia there. skirt skirt said he was going to kill you. If I were mafia, I could easily push that I jailkept skirt skirt and that he is an unlimited strongman because he is a serial killer. Then I'm left with Titus who is already leaning on skirt skirt and skirt skirt who claimed sk to try to win.
Um? No?
If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum, an unlimited strongman isn't balanced in this setup and if I could interpret Titus' goal in no lynching you could to.
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Post Post #5566 (isolation #307) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:55 pm

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In post 5564, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5559, skirt skirt wrote:This is a direct slip. Why would town!you EVER not jail me?
Option 1 is that you are willing to kill mary who was leaning on voting me after saying you will kill her while Titus is leaning towards you, this puts yourself at a massive disadvantage so i don't know why you would do it
If you're perhaps immune in some way (ascetic or something)
If Titus dies anyway I have more information

The only negative outcome for me as town is if Titus dies and you frame me, which is why I protected Titus
Ascetic Strongman when there was already an ascetic in the setup, town power is weak as it is, there's a singular weak protective. Okay.
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Post Post #5568 (isolation #308) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:57 pm

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You killing was signing your death warrant because there is no shot there was ever an unlimited strongman in this setup. 1 shot does fit with there being a 1 shot town protective though :lol:
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Post Post #5570 (isolation #309) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:58 pm

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In post 5567, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5559, skirt skirt wrote:The purpose of my gambit? Yumeko is newer, so I was hoping he wouldn't realize
mafia can't "joint win" with sk - that is a bullshit sentence I conconcted and I hoped he would have associated it with two different mafia teams sometimes being able to joint win in multiball
.
No, it's possible depending on how the win conditions are worded. You knowing that it's not possible in this game is a slip because looking back mafia win condition was never revealed.
skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5561, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5557, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Titus, I hope you can see this for what it is: skirt skirt trying to pull off a slimy scum gambit hoping that I chose to save my jailkeep. That or the last scum is somehow immune to me targeting them directly. I targeted you directly.

Mary, I hope you realize that I would have killed you as mafia there. skirt skirt said he was going to kill you. If I were mafia, I could easily push that I jailkept skirt skirt and that he is an unlimited strongman because he is a serial killer. Then I'm left with Titus who is already leaning on skirt skirt and skirt skirt who claimed sk to try to win.
Um? No?
If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum, an unlimited strongman isn't balanced in this setup and if I could interpret Titus' goal in no lynching you could to.
Unlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.
LOL

LOL

YOU ACTUALLY SLIPPED

aAHAHAHA
Unlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.
you're saying you genuinely believed I was sk WHICH MAKES YOU MAFIA LMFAO
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Post Post #5571 (isolation #310) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:58 pm

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In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?
No.

@Titus same question

Ask the person you're talking to, because Titus knows there was never an unlimited strongman in this setup
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Post Post #5572 (isolation #311) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:58 pm

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In post 5570, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5567, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5559, skirt skirt wrote:The purpose of my gambit? Yumeko is newer, so I was hoping he wouldn't realize
mafia can't "joint win" with sk - that is a bullshit sentence I conconcted and I hoped he would have associated it with two different mafia teams sometimes being able to joint win in multiball
.
No, it's possible depending on how the win conditions are worded. You knowing that it's not possible in this game is a slip because looking back mafia win condition was never revealed.
skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5561, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5557, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Titus, I hope you can see this for what it is: skirt skirt trying to pull off a slimy scum gambit hoping that I chose to save my jailkeep. That or the last scum is somehow immune to me targeting them directly. I targeted you directly.

Mary, I hope you realize that I would have killed you as mafia there. skirt skirt said he was going to kill you. If I were mafia, I could easily push that I jailkept skirt skirt and that he is an unlimited strongman because he is a serial killer. Then I'm left with Titus who is already leaning on skirt skirt and skirt skirt who claimed sk to try to win.
Um? No?
If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum, an unlimited strongman isn't balanced in this setup and if I could interpret Titus' goal in no lynching you could to.
Unlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.
LOL

LOL

YOU ACTUALLY SLIPPED

aAHAHAHA
Unlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.
you're saying you genuinely believed I was sk WHICH MAKES YOU MAFIA LMFAO
SHOW ME ONE NORMAL GAME WHERE MAFIA CAN WIN WITH SK BTW LMAO
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Post Post #5573 (isolation #312) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:00 pm

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In post 5556, Mary Saotome wrote:I was looking over iso and flips overnight (mostly to see where I fucked up cause I thought it was gg) but now that it's NOT gg well...
If I was sk I would not have put hours and hours into walls to try and save a town I fucked over.

But hey assume I'm sk and its kingmaker and it doesn't matter

Your only shot to win is if I'm town (or mafia)

And what does mafia!skirt stand to gain by attracting that much useless attention post-day end for absolutely no net gain? If yumeko can ask wifom questions I can too :D
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Post Post #5574 (isolation #313) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:01 pm

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But hey yumeko, now that you're addressing me, GO BACK AND REPLY TO THE WALLS I MADE THAT PROVE YOU'RE SCUM

that's right

you can't

because they prove you're scum

so instead you're choosing to ignore them and for some reason that's being tolerated

aha

gonna lie down now but yea
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Post Post #5578 (isolation #314) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:08 pm

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Again. I challenge you to show me a single normal game where mafia can win with sk. I've played around 30 normals and that hasn't been the case once - it is not how win conditions work. If SK could win with mafia that's basically saying mafia get a second kill and an extra member... sounds stupid, right?
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Post Post #5581 (isolation #315) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:15 pm

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In post 5579, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5578, skirt skirt wrote:Again. I challenge you to show me a single normal game where mafia can win with sk. I've played around 30 normals and that hasn't been the case once - it is not how win conditions work. If SK could win with mafia that's basically saying mafia get a second kill and an extra member... sounds stupid, right?
I don't see why they can't according to normal guidelines?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ial_Killer

It's up to the moderator and how win conditions are worded.

I'll also point out that this game has an option for a draw - can you point to another normal game that had this option? That's what you're asking of me right now.
a) A draw is not the same as a joint win.
b) viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72014

try again.
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Post Post #5582 (isolation #316) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:16 pm

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In post 5580, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?
You're asking wifom questions.
No I'm not because if I were mafia I would win by killing you. Do you disagree or not?
Do you understand what wifom is?
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Post Post #5584 (isolation #317) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:30 pm

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In post 5583, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?
You're asking wifom questions.
Yesterday you spent 14 real life days without coming to a conclusion after "waiting for Titus" who never said anything of note and then no lynching and acting like of course skirt skirt was scum when he claimed it and rebutting all my arguments due to your preconception that skirt skirt isn't scum. The least you can do is hold an actual conversation with me instead of "waiting for titus" or whatever you did yesterday and consider what I'm saying? I feel like you should have voted skirt skirt many times over.

This is a gross double standard too, if you died tonight you would have shouted about how I was scum for killing you in the dead thread, but when I point that out while alive it's "wifom" (because I like to wifom and mess around instead of winning the game, right?)

You townread me all game too, I'm no tsure why you think you can read skirt skirt better than me.
No, she spent yesterday coming to a conclusion that you're scum and waiting for the other player to see if they agreed. The preconception was that you were lock town, so that is just lying. Maybe you're upset at the fact she isn't buying your bullshit refusal to respond to my points against you? Killing her would not have won you the game either, a) killing the person scumreading you in lylo isn't even necessarily good play and b) titus would have known you were scum because my kill went through while I was jailed. Are you upset your game-long attempt to pocket mary failed? :lol:
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Post Post #5586 (isolation #318) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:32 pm

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In post 5572, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5570, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5567, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 5559, skirt skirt wrote:The purpose of my gambit? Yumeko is newer, so I was hoping he wouldn't realize
mafia can't "joint win" with sk - that is a bullshit sentence I conconcted and I hoped he would have associated it with two different mafia teams sometimes being able to joint win in multiball
.
No, it's possible depending on how the win conditions are worded. You knowing that it's not possible in this game is a slip because looking back mafia win condition was never revealed.
skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5561, skirt skirt wrote:
In post 5557, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Titus, I hope you can see this for what it is: skirt skirt trying to pull off a slimy scum gambit hoping that I chose to save my jailkeep. That or the last scum is somehow immune to me targeting them directly. I targeted you directly.

Mary, I hope you realize that I would have killed you as mafia there. skirt skirt said he was going to kill you. If I were mafia, I could easily push that I jailkept skirt skirt and that he is an unlimited strongman because he is a serial killer. Then I'm left with Titus who is already leaning on skirt skirt and skirt skirt who claimed sk to try to win.
Um? No?
If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum, an unlimited strongman isn't balanced in this setup and if I could interpret Titus' goal in no lynching you could to.
Unlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.
LOL

LOL

YOU ACTUALLY SLIPPED

aAHAHAHA
Unlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.
you're saying you genuinely believed I was sk WHICH MAKES YOU MAFIA LMFAO
SHOW ME ONE NORMAL GAME WHERE MAFIA CAN WIN WITH SK BTW LMAO
This is the fucking definition of a perspetive slip. You argued as if I was sk, when in reality it was /impossible/ for me to be sk from a town!you pov. Mafia traitor and mafia doctor are taken and both Mary and Titus are inno'd by the gunsmith, so I /had/ to be mafia to you and you constructed an argument around me being sk which was an impossibility. Good try :)
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Post Post #5588 (isolation #319) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:54 pm

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btw, another point I didn't think of before: out of every large normal in ms' history there has never been a town jk and another protective, including doctor, bodyguard, babysitter, rolestopper, any other protective.

doesn't really mean much, came to mind though.

titus; yumeko is trying to focus everything on kill and sk wifom, which he's losing at but less badly than he'd lose if he tried to actually respond to my many valid arguments. Yes, I will keep bringing that up, because Yumeko doesn't deserve to win by continually dodging many valid points.
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Post Post #5590 (isolation #320) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:08 pm

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good <3

help me convince titus now so we can end this torturous game
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Post Post #5591 (isolation #321) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:09 pm

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titus, you never replied to my reply for your intent to vote me, so please do.
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Post Post #5592 (isolation #322) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:10 pm

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In post 5518, Titus wrote:I read the walls and skirt skirt still feels more town than Yumeko. I'm going to go back to the VCs though.
In post 5519, Titus wrote:I know skirt skirt is good as scum but he feels different here.
In post 5520, Titus wrote:
Intent to vote Skirt Skirt


I am doing this for two main reasons.

One, the dead guys on n1 and n2 were vocal critics of skirt skirt.
Two, when Flairs was wagoned, davesaz tried to divert to Yumeko. Diverting away from a two shot rolecop towards the strongman makes little sense.
The dead guys were FAR more critical of yumeko than myself and I quoted evidence proving that. A weak bus that was never going to matter is... just that. You know I'm town here Titus.
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Post Post #5594 (isolation #323) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:19 pm

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btw, mary, can i ask if you still see yourself ever voting me here?

if so, followup. if not, its a pointless waste of time.
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Post Post #5597 (isolation #324) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:12 pm

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can i ask what that gambit would have done for me if i was mafia? i would have been speaking to a hypothetical town jk
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Post Post #5598 (isolation #325) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:18 pm

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- Has been tonely sound most of the game
hasn't posted most of the game
-Aksed to be vig shot
incorrect
-claimed a pr before others outted maybe causing a cc
jk + bg was never a thing
-has interactions with outted traitor that tried to lynch her that seem hard to fake
the strongest point, and why she was null/scum lean by poe all game rather than scum, but una busses as we've proven this game and yumeko didn't know una was scum there due to una being traitor which is very important
-Had very good thoughts in her wall posts
are you sure?
-Made up a "gambit" at the end of the day
-has a few reactions that make much more sense as scum then town
-has questionable posts that can look like slips in some people's eyes
-Asked to be jailed not vigged with last scum 100% being strongman
are you aware these are all basically the same thing?
the gambit never did anything for a scum!me but because wifom i don't think it should be town necessarily, null at worst.
my questionable reaction i assume you're referring to is me being vigged, but i think i've explained why i wasn't okay with that in detail a couple times
what posts could be slips?
this is the same as two points above, but i was also okay with being gunsmithed

answer 5594 please :p
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Post Post #5601 (isolation #326) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:39 pm

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First off, it's not true that I can't respond to anything skirt skirt is saying, what do you need me to respond to?
:lol:
If you ask me a question I will respond to you, otherwise I'm going to ignore skirt skirt as he butts into every point and throws dirt at it
I offered Mary time to talk to you with me being quiet, she turned it down. I'm not going to let you spread bullshit. Thanks though.
Second off, I've used a lot of facts this game. Way more than I've used ate. Maybe you're confused because you don't see things from my perspective so you see less facts?
Mary, I'm so disappointed in you for not townreading me here.
Mary, I am disappointed you think you can read skirt skirt better than me.
Mary,
Mary,
Mary,
-every yumeko post
Third, I want you to respond to this: If you appeared in the dead thread you'd be certain that I killed you, right?
If you believe this is so obvious (which you clearly do seeing as you've brought it up 4 times now), you clearly would have known Titus at least COULD have thought the exact same, so there's your undisputable proof you had no choice but to no kill last night - killing titus wins town the game, killing mary wins town the game, no killing lets you do this ate bullshit.
Fourth, I went over this with you but while I never asked to be vig shot I never tried to stop it on me. I made a large post about it.
What possible argument would you ever have had to argue against it? You were in everyone's poe, there was no way you ever could have argued against it. You had to gamble TIAM being a newb would go rogue as he did.
Last, I'll point out yet again that part of the reason that my jailkeep could never be proven was because of skirt skirt. Even if you think I'm fake, this remains true. Put that as a con for him.
Excuse me, but no. You could have easily just jailkept and proven your role, and if I was so scummy then you had no reason to ever listen to my night action in the first place. You keep ranting about this awesome plan you had to win the game but if it was real you would have done it. You are guiltying yourself without even realizing it. The reason your jailkeep could never be proven is because it isn't real and you know that.
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Post Post #5602 (isolation #327) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:40 pm

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In post 5600, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 5594, skirt skirt wrote:btw, mary, can i ask if you still see yourself ever voting me here?

if so, followup. if not, its a pointless waste of time.
If titus brings up something I haven't seen sure the door is always open to it but at the moment I don't see myself voting you the only reason I feel like voting you in lingering thoughts that "Yumeko was a hard tr for more then half the game" but that can go back to pocketing
So when Titus gave her intent to vote me there were some reasons that I responded to. Do you believe my responses were adequate?

But the main question was: /if/ you ever see yourself wanting to vote me, please make sure you ask yumeko to go respond to my walls as well as my replies to his walls. I've given lots of arguments for why he's scum that he "chooses" to not rebut, but I think we can both agree that's important.

Thanks.
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Post Post #5606 (isolation #328) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:03 pm

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In post 5605, Titus wrote:VOTE: NL
if you really want a no lynch, i'll do it again.

can you address my response after your intent yesterday and promise tomorrow if you're alive you'll talk more first please?
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Post Post #5609 (isolation #329) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:44 pm

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i agree, and think it's dumb

i think what should be happening today is titus should be trying to convince you to vote me if she still thinks i'm scum and you should be convincing her to vote yumeko

but ic rule :S
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Post Post #5611 (isolation #330) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:36 pm

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@mod if you had a serial killer in your game would you allow them to win with mafia?
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Post Post #5612 (isolation #331) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:45 pm

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my way of prodging because we are just waiting on titus :)
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Post Post #5615 (isolation #332) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:52 am

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thank god.

whenever you're ready mary.
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Post Post #5619 (isolation #333) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:37 pm

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VOTE: yumeko

:-)
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Post Post #5633 (isolation #334) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:42 am

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lol
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Post Post #5637 (isolation #335) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:54 am

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transcend im bad now
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