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hmIn post 5567, Yumeko Jabami wrote:You knowing that it's not possible in this game is a slip because looking back mafia win condition was never revealed.My life is mine! I won't hand it over to anyone!- Mary Saotome
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You're asking wifom questions.In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scumMy life is mine! I won't hand it over to anyone!-
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Again. I challenge you to show me a single normal game where mafia can win with sk. I've played around 30 normals and that hasn't been the case once - it is not how win conditions work. If SK could win with mafia that's basically saying mafia get a second kill and an extra member... sounds stupid, right?- Yumeko Jabami
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I don't see why they can't according to normal guidelines?In post 5578, skirt skirt wrote:Again. I challenge you to show me a single normal game where mafia can win with sk. I've played around 30 normals and that hasn't been the case once - it is not how win conditions work. If SK could win with mafia that's basically saying mafia get a second kill and an extra member... sounds stupid, right?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ial_Killer
It's up to the moderator and how win conditions are worded.
I'll also point out that this game has an option for a draw - can you point to another normal game that had this option? That's what you're asking of me right now.Madness is the essence of gambling, isn't it?- Yumeko Jabami
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No I'm not because if I were mafia I would win by killing you. Do you disagree or not?In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
You're asking wifom questions.In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scumMadness is the essence of gambling, isn't it?-
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a) A draw is not the same as a joint win.In post 5579, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
I don't see why they can't according to normal guidelines?In post 5578, skirt skirt wrote:Again. I challenge you to show me a single normal game where mafia can win with sk. I've played around 30 normals and that hasn't been the case once - it is not how win conditions work. If SK could win with mafia that's basically saying mafia get a second kill and an extra member... sounds stupid, right?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ial_Killer
It's up to the moderator and how win conditions are worded.
I'll also point out that this game has an option for a draw - can you point to another normal game that had this option? That's what you're asking of me right now.
b) viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72014
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Do you understand what wifom is?In post 5580, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
No I'm not because if I were mafia I would win by killing you. Do you disagree or not?In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
You're asking wifom questions.In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum- Yumeko Jabami
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Yesterday you spent 14 real life days without coming to a conclusion after "waiting for Titus" who never said anything of note and then no lynching and acting like of course skirt skirt was scum when he claimed it and rebutting all my arguments due to your preconception that skirt skirt isn't scum. The least you can do is hold an actual conversation with me instead of "waiting for titus" or whatever you did yesterday and consider what I'm saying? I feel like you should have voted skirt skirt many times over.In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
You're asking wifom questions.In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum
This is a gross double standard too, if you died tonight you would have shouted about how I was scum for killing you in the dead thread, but when I point that out while alive it's "wifom" (because I like to wifom and mess around instead of winning the game, right?)
You townread me all game too, I'm no tsure why you think you can read skirt skirt better than me.Madness is the essence of gambling, isn't it?-
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No, she spent yesterday coming to a conclusion that you're scum and waiting for the other player to see if they agreed. The preconception was that you were lock town, so that is just lying. Maybe you're upset at the fact she isn't buying your bullshit refusal to respond to my points against you? Killing her would not have won you the game either, a) killing the person scumreading you in lylo isn't even necessarily good play and b) titus would have known you were scum because my kill went through while I was jailed. Are you upset your game-long attempt to pocket mary failed?In post 5583, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
Yesterday you spent 14 real life days without coming to a conclusion after "waiting for Titus" who never said anything of note and then no lynching and acting like of course skirt skirt was scum when he claimed it and rebutting all my arguments due to your preconception that skirt skirt isn't scum. The least you can do is hold an actual conversation with me instead of "waiting for titus" or whatever you did yesterday and consider what I'm saying? I feel like you should have voted skirt skirt many times over.In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
You're asking wifom questions.In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum
This is a gross double standard too, if you died tonight you would have shouted about how I was scum for killing you in the dead thread, but when I point that out while alive it's "wifom" (because I like to wifom and mess around instead of winning the game, right?)
You townread me all game too, I'm no tsure why you think you can read skirt skirt better than me.- Yumeko Jabami
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This is the fucking definition of a perspetive slip. You argued as if I was sk, when in reality it was /impossible/ for me to be sk from a town!you pov. Mafia traitor and mafia doctor are taken and both Mary and Titus are inno'd by the gunsmith, so I /had/ to be mafia to you and you constructed an argument around me being sk which was an impossibility. Good tryIn post 5572, skirt skirt wrote:
SHOW ME ONE NORMAL GAME WHERE MAFIA CAN WIN WITH SK BTW LMAOIn post 5570, skirt skirt wrote:
LOLIn post 5567, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
No, it's possible depending on how the win conditions are worded. You knowing that it's not possible in this game is a slip because looking back mafia win condition was never revealed.In post 5559, skirt skirt wrote:The purpose of my gambit? Yumeko is newer, so I was hoping he wouldn't realizemafia can't "joint win" with sk - that is a bullshit sentence I conconcted and I hoped he would have associated it with two different mafia teams sometimes being able to joint win in multiball.
Unlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.skirt skirt wrote:
If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum, an unlimited strongman isn't balanced in this setup and if I could interpret Titus' goal in no lynching you could to.In post 5561, skirt skirt wrote:
Um? No?In post 5557, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Titus, I hope you can see this for what it is: skirt skirt trying to pull off a slimy scum gambit hoping that I chose to save my jailkeep. That or the last scum is somehow immune to me targeting them directly. I targeted you directly.
Mary, I hope you realize that I would have killed you as mafia there. skirt skirt said he was going to kill you. If I were mafia, I could easily push that I jailkept skirt skirt and that he is an unlimited strongman because he is a serial killer. Then I'm left with Titus who is already leaning on skirt skirt and skirt skirt who claimed sk to try to win.
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YOU ACTUALLY SLIPPED
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you're saying you genuinely believed I was sk WHICH MAKES YOU MAFIA LMFAOUnlimited strongman is balanced on serial killer, which is what you claimed.- Yumeko Jabami
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btw, another point I didn't think of before: out of every large normal in ms' history there has never been a town jk and another protective, including doctor, bodyguard, babysitter, rolestopper, any other protective.
doesn't really mean much, came to mind though.
titus; yumeko is trying to focus everything on kill and sk wifom, which he's losing at but less badly than he'd lose if he tried to actually respond to my many valid arguments. Yes, I will keep bringing that up, because Yumeko doesn't deserve to win by continually dodging many valid points.- Mary Saotome
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fuck you? What game have you been reading I've been waiting for titus because IIn post 5583, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
Yesterday you spent 14 real life days without coming to a conclusion after "waiting for Titus" who never said anything of note and then no lynching and acting like of course skirt skirt was scum when he claimed it and rebutting all my arguments due to your preconception that skirt skirt isn't scum. The least you can do is hold an actual conversation with me instead of "waiting for titus" or whatever you did yesterday and consider what I'm saying? I feel like you should have voted skirt skirt many times over.In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
You're asking wifom questions.In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum
This is a gross double standard too, if you died tonight you would have shouted about how I was scum for killing you in the dead thread, but when I point that out while alive it's "wifom" (because I like to wifom and mess around instead of winning the game, right?)
You townread me all game too, I'm no tsure why you think you can read skirt skirt better than me.havemade up my mind reading both of your walls and trying to consider who scum is and who isn't for you both it is really easy to call every post scummy because the view is clear to you where for me it isn't.My life is mine! I won't hand it over to anyone!-
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In post 5518, Titus wrote:I read the walls and skirt skirt still feels more town than Yumeko. I'm going to go back to the VCs though.In post 5519, Titus wrote:I know skirt skirt is good as scum but he feels different here.
The dead guys were FAR more critical of yumeko than myself and I quoted evidence proving that. A weak bus that was never going to matter is... just that. You know I'm town here Titus.In post 5520, Titus wrote:Intent to vote Skirt Skirt
I am doing this for two main reasons.
One, the dead guys on n1 and n2 were vocal critics of skirt skirt.
Two, when Flairs was wagoned, davesaz tried to divert to Yumeko. Diverting away from a two shot rolecop towards the strongman makes little sense.- Yumeko Jabami
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SorryIn post 5589, Mary Saotome wrote:
fuck you? What game have you been reading I've been waiting for titus because IIn post 5583, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
Yesterday you spent 14 real life days without coming to a conclusion after "waiting for Titus" who never said anything of note and then no lynching and acting like of course skirt skirt was scum when he claimed it and rebutting all my arguments due to your preconception that skirt skirt isn't scum. The least you can do is hold an actual conversation with me instead of "waiting for titus" or whatever you did yesterday and consider what I'm saying? I feel like you should have voted skirt skirt many times over.In post 5577, Mary Saotome wrote:
You're asking wifom questions.In post 5569, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
@Mary I'm convinced that if I were mafia killing you would get Titus to vote skirt skirt. Do you disagree with this?In post 5565, skirt skirt wrote:If you killed her you confirmed yourself as scum
This is a gross double standard too, if you died tonight you would have shouted about how I was scum for killing you in the dead thread, but when I point that out while alive it's "wifom" (because I like to wifom and mess around instead of winning the game, right?)
You townread me all game too, I'm no tsure why you think you can read skirt skirt better than me.havemade up my mind reading both of your walls and trying to consider who scum is and who isn't for you both it is really easy to call every post scummy because the view is clear to you where for me it isn't.Madness is the essence of gambling, isn't it?-
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Mary, I'd love you to make the pros and cons of each wagon?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I assume you mean how they've stacked up?In post 5595, Titus wrote:Mary, I'd love you to make the pros and cons of each wagon?
Yumeko
Pro: -Had very good thoughts in her wall posts
- Has been tonely sound most of the game
-has been a consistent tr of mine the whole game
-has interactions with outted traitor that tried to lynch her that seem hard to fake
-claimed a pr before others outted maybe causing a cc
-Aksed to be vig shot
Cons:
-Has no way of proving her jailkeep
-A lot of her defense is around said jailkeep that they can't prove
-Had a way to clear herself and protect our clear and chose not to do it
-Has used ate more so than facts (She doesn't do this normally at all)
-Seems to not be able to defend against some of skirt's posts
Skirt/Eddie
Pro:
-Has been a driving force for town
-If he's scum he's done a lot more extra then needed
- A lot of his points in his defense make more sense than Yumeko
-Has a lot of interactions with scum that are hard to fake
Con:
-Made up a "gambit" at the end of the day
-has a few reactions that make much more sense as scum then town
-has questionable posts that can look like slips in some people's eyes
-Asked to be jailed not vigged with last scum 100% being strongmanMy life is mine! I won't hand it over to anyone!-
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hasn't posted most of the game- Has been tonely sound most of the game
incorrect-Aksed to be vig shot
jk + bg was never a thing-claimed a pr before others outted maybe causing a cc
the strongest point, and why she was null/scum lean by poe all game rather than scum, but una busses as we've proven this game and yumeko didn't know una was scum there due to una being traitor which is very important-has interactions with outted traitor that tried to lynch her that seem hard to fake
are you sure?-Had very good thoughts in her wall posts
are you aware these are all basically the same thing?-Made up a "gambit" at the end of the day
-has a few reactions that make much more sense as scum then town
-has questionable posts that can look like slips in some people's eyes
-Asked to be jailed not vigged with last scum 100% being strongman
the gambit never did anything for a scum!me but because wifom i don't think it should be town necessarily, null at worst.
my questionable reaction i assume you're referring to is me being vigged, but i think i've explained why i wasn't okay with that in detail a couple times
what posts could be slips?
this is the same as two points above, but i was also okay with being gunsmithed
answer 5594 please :p- Yumeko Jabami
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Thank you.In post 5596, Mary Saotome wrote:
I assume you mean how they've stacked up?In post 5595, Titus wrote:Mary, I'd love you to make the pros and cons of each wagon?
Yumeko
Pro: -Had very good thoughts in her wall posts
- Has been tonely sound most of the game
-has been a consistent tr of mine the whole game
-has interactions with outted traitor that tried to lynch her that seem hard to fake
-claimed a pr before others outted maybe causing a cc
-Aksed to be vig shot
Cons:
-Has no way of proving her jailkeep
-A lot of her defense is around said jailkeep that they can't prove
-Had a way to clear herself and protect our clear and chose not to do it
-Has used ate more so than facts (She doesn't do this normally at all)
-Seems to not be able to defend against some of skirt's posts
Skirt/Eddie
Pro:
-Has been a driving force for town
-If he's scum he's done a lot more extra then needed
- A lot of his points in his defense make more sense than Yumeko
-Has a lot of interactions with scum that are hard to fake
Con:
-Made up a "gambit" at the end of the day
-has a few reactions that make much more sense as scum then town
-has questionable posts that can look like slips in some people's eyes
-Asked to be jailed not vigged with last scum 100% being strongman
First off, it's not true that I can't respond to anything skirt skirt is saying, what do you need me to respond to?
If you ask me a question I will respond to you, otherwise I'm going to ignore skirt skirt as he butts into every point and throws dirt at it
Second off, I've used a lot of facts this game. Way more than I've used ate. Maybe you're confused because you don't see things from my perspective so you see less facts?
Third, I want you to respond to this: If you appeared in the dead thread you'd be certain that I killed you, right?
Fourth, I went over this with you but while I never asked to be vig shot I never tried to stop it on me. I made a large post about it.
Last, I'll point out yet again that part of the reason that my jailkeep could never be proven was because of skirt skirt. Even if you think I'm fake, this remains true. Put that as a con for him.Madness is the essence of gambling, isn't it? - Yumeko Jabami
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