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[Jingle]

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I'm also surprised you're up and down a new guy's tone yet haven't said anything about me. I've had a shift after a job change a lot of older players immediately picked up on.

because i've determined that you're town.

Oh? Please tell.

General question, how often making a dumb move like self voting in RVS is an actual scumtell as opposed to a weird/noob playstyle tell?

Rarely, but it's frequently worth exploring in RVS due to the low impact nature of RVS.

Eh. Not a lot for the first three pages. I kind of liked Dunkerdoodles saying "everyone on this page is town". I think UC's entrance felt kind of townish to me too, if anything - felt slightly relaxed/fearless. I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.

Could have? Yeah, mosdef. Would have? Not if you remember who I am and what I'm like.

I don't see anything wrong with being aggressive. I have a history in my games of being town, and being town read, so I know what I need to do to catch scum. There is no downside to being aggressive early unless you are

scum

lynched for it.

FTFY. And there are actually other downsides, but getting into them now is both a waste of my time and directly harmful to my win condition as town.

maybe hats what he was saying was mastin-inspired... ? i don't know. i've never been great at reading jingle so i'll let him prove it elsewise i guess. i'm not feeling awesome about him but i don't want to go down that road just yet. i'd like to compare notes with the two of you until something doesn't click and go from there while sorting the people i don't know actively.

Pshhh. You wouldn't lynch me day one if I were a guilty child.

Not alt, but think more along the lines of Xayzeck than a normal newbie. Particularly, he played a game with aphix where his play rather impressed me as town, and I'm not seeing the same thingies here.

(She please)

I dunno who that is so I'm assuming this is a compliment lol. I also replaced into that game day2 and had a lot more to work with than ~20 posts made by people who clearly have a lot of history/context with each other that I'm missing.

First, I apologize in advance if I mess up any genders. It's something that matters 0% to me personally, so I frequently forget that it matters to other people. It's not intentional, but there's a good chance I will slip up and refer to people by the wrong gender later on in the game.

Second, yes, it is a compliment. While Xay doesn't play much (if at all) anymore, he was my pet newbie for a while (the newbie I would follow around and give advice to after his games) because he impressed me with his first on site game.

Third, it's not an available information thing, it's a I think town you is more likely to engage in the things actually worth discussing than to ignore them and throw out a shitty RVS vote when there's a wagon ready made.

I was asking about the Dunker/Wicked/Flubber votes cuz I thought it was odd that you were townreading Dunker and nullreading Flubber for making literally the same post right after each other, but I'm seeing that you are familiar with Wicked/ETL/Flubber so I'm now getting why you had a different reaction to the same post made by different people.

They were actually very different posts, but I'll leave that topic for a few days from now.

I'm a fan of double wagons day 1
VOTE: Fykus

This is all sorts of ick. Why do you want to form a double wagon on someone who still hasn't posted? Why is this a good thing (you're a fan of it?) and what info would you get out of it? And why on Fykus in particular, out of everyone who only had one vote on them at the time?

Also, I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.

This, to borrow a phrase, is all sorts of ick.

Hello, I rolled town again this game.

Pinging me, dunno why atm, I'll try to figure it out.

I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.

This is also kinda ick? You like what you're seeing from him besides for the fact that he thinks he knows your meta? I feel like this is a weird thing to vote someone for, and to *deliberately* keep your vote on someone for, especially when there are sketchier people around and you like what you see from that person otherwise.

But I'm also not sure if scum!wicked would be trying to undermine a townread town!jingle has on him if they apparently have a relationship (like why take this approach instead of buddying him or something?), and I don't think this interaction comes from scumpartners with a prior history with each other.

It didn't sound at all random... By disagreeing with Jingle town reading me, that seems to imply you had some reason for thinking I might be scum.

+1

Also someone mentioned the words "I don't think Jingle as scum would do that". You are objectively wrong. Things scum me has done: laugh in the post game when ETL says at least her Jingle townread was accurate (Post reveals, mind you), get shot by his own scumteam because "he was so town we'd never be able to get him lynched", play an entire game using speech to text from his phone and nothing else, begin a game by getting into a giant fight with a hydra of two of the people who know me best on site for shits and giggles, hardbus my partner D1 as a policy lynch because he was rude, take conftown thor into LYLO... Etc. Simply put, nothing is sacred and I will do whatever I damn well please as either alignment. Well... Until scum shoots me for being so obvtown they'll never get me lynched.

[Flubbernugget]

Yawn

[Flubbernugget]

It didn't sound at all random... By disagreeing with Jingle town reading me, that seems to imply you had some reason for thinking I might be scum.

If I straight up admitted my vote was rvs it would have never rocked the bushes, no?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

It didn't sound at all random... By disagreeing with Jingle town reading me, that seems to imply you had some reason for thinking I might be scum.

If I straight up admitted my vote was rvs it would have never rocked the bushes, no?

why ya gotta go kill my first town read man....

[Flubbernugget]

Can't always be town read

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Nevermind I misread that as "that would have rocked the bushes".

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Ooh, etl saw the things. Good.

WHAT THINGS?!

I was asking about the Dunker/Wicked/Flubber votes cuz I thought it was odd that you were townreading Dunker and nullreading Flubber for making literally the same post right after each other, but I'm seeing that you are familiar with Wicked/ETL/Flubber so I'm now getting why you had a different reaction to the same post made by different people.

Jingle I like this. Why don't you?

I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.

I would have to disagree. There's something to be said for people going after "low hanging fruit" as it were, but in the RVS-gamemode transition, that's all you've got.

Also, just because someone is new doesn't mean they are town. I need to scumhunt everyone regardless of how new or old they are. Saying this is equivalent to saying, "He's been around this site for ages and ages, obviously he's big bad and scary, so let's lynch him."

I feel pretty strongly about Two at the moment. Unless he proves me wrong, or someone else shows me they are more worthy of my vote, it will stay on him.

Hello, I rolled town again this game.

Pinging me, dunno why atm, I'll try to figure it out.

How is saying that this pings you any different from me disliking UVC's posts or Two's attitude?

JINGLE. WICKED. YALL. IVE LEGIT FOUND THE FIRST REAL SCUM. Check Two's tone in this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72708
other town games readily available as well.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

VOTE: twoinamillion

What do you think about this: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=73333&user_select[]=30239

I think he had a power role in that game which changes the dynamic incredibly. However, the tonal shift isn't as dramatic. In that game, he's still asking questions, with actual question marks...

AND

you can tell that he emphasizes the night game there thinking that his ability will be more useful than his interaction/engagement in the thread.

Why did you select this game? I specifically did not select the PR game because the point is not as clear as it is in his vanilla games. It's like, "I have a good point but I'm going to make sure I present it in the most convoluted way, even though it's salient in all of his other town games."

I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.

This is also kinda ick? You like what you're seeing from him besides for the fact that he thinks he knows your meta? I feel like this is a weird thing to vote someone for, and to *deliberately* keep your vote on someone for, especially when there are sketchier people around and you like what you see from that person otherwise.

But I'm also not sure if scum!wicked would be trying to undermine a townread town!jingle has on him if they apparently have a relationship (like why take this approach instead of buddying him or something?), and I don't think this interaction comes from scumpartners with a prior history with each other.

How well do you know scum!wicked?

Sorry for being late.
Skitter might be scum becauae every single game we have together is her as scum.
Dunk seems a bit off this game. Illpost more thoughts later

It's later. Please elaborate on these empty comments.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Oh? Please tell.

Tis but a feeling.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

when ETL says at least her Jingle townread was accurate

Dude when...

[Wickedestjr]

Back.

maybe hats what he was saying was mastin-inspired... ? i don't know. i've never been great at reading jingle so i'll let him prove it elsewise i guess. i'm not feeling awesome about him but i don't want to go down that road just yet. i'd like to compare notes with the two of you until something doesn't click and go from there while sorting the people i don't know actively.

It bugs me when mastin does this too. The last (and only) time someone was super confident in my alignment on page 2, it was mastin so I guess you have a point there, though.

I'm starting to townread you. Your apology in 113 seemed genuine. I also felt good about your posts in your exchange with Two. My only reservation is the idea that your exchange with Two could be scum v scum theater. Either way, you might be right about your Two vote and I need to look at him more closely.

Eh. Not a lot for the first three pages. I kind of liked Dunkerdoodles saying "everyone on this page is town". I think UC's entrance felt kind of townish to me too, if anything - felt slightly relaxed/fearless. I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.

Could have? Yeah, mosdef. Would have? Not if you remember who I am and what I'm like.

I hope that this is another topic you will be explaining a few days from now?

[Wickedestjr]

I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.

This is also kinda ick? You like what you're seeing from him besides for the fact that he thinks he knows your meta? I feel like this is a weird thing to vote someone for, and to *deliberately* keep your vote on someone for, especially when there are sketchier people around and you like what you see from that person otherwise.

I didn't vote him for the 1000% confidence comment. I voted him before that happened. I disagree when you say there were sketchier people around. When I made that post, Jingle's comment was the only post that interested me - and there wasn't anything else that had bothered me enough for a new vote.

[Wickedestjr]

That's because your refusal to wagon a bad vote made me scum read you.

Why do you think I was questioning his logic? Because I was town reading him?

*her

I think I understand what you were saying in that post. You are scum reading ETL for not joining the taiho wagon? Correct? That seems to be the implication in post 86.

Also, I disagree with your comment here. First, just because you're questioning someone doesn't mean you're suspicious of them. I hope you're not making that assumption about anyone else's posting. Second, you actually only asked ETL one question and it was about the tone differences. So why is her "refusal to wagon a bad vote" making you suspect her?

Something doesn't feel right here.

Unvote. Vote: TwoInAMillion

[Awoo]

Oh nice, only one page of ETL accumulated while I slept? This game isn't going to be as hard to read as I thought. I liked ETL's 106, it feels honest.

I think someone asked why I was voting taiho? One of the people I've got my eye on. I don't like his opening string and I want to see where he goes now that we're game on. I cannot speak for 2mil or his vote.

Apparently I should've voted for you to be townread by you too lol

Don't like this particularly, it got my attention.

DD's string this game has been naked early reads. I don't know how easy it is to fake something like that, but ultimately I TR it since he looks like he's having fun.

91 town.

[a post by 2iam]

is all sorts of ick. Why do you want to form a double wagon on someone who still hasn't posted? Why is this a good thing (you're a fan of it?) and what info would you get out of it? And why on Fykus in particular, out of everyone who only had one vote on them at the time?

Also, I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.

Fence sitting detected. VOTE: skitter30 Like what, he's all sorts of ick, but it's too easy to vote for him? Usually when I (hear this/have done it in the past myself as scum), it's scum worrying about whether or not their target is too "lynchbait-ey" to vote for. Sometimes they make it real obvious and slip the word lynchbait into their post. Since I just read two conflicting statements, what do you think of TIM?

[Flubbernugget]

Wicked, your read on etl is strange.

You gave etl a town read based off a self meta post ([p]113[/p]). I also don't think weaker players should be on the table for playing scum theater.

[Flubbernugget]

113

Tee hee

[Wickedestjr]

You gave etl a town read based off a self meta post ([p]113[/p]).

I wouldn't say it's groundbreaking evidence, but why can't I town read a self meta post?

I also don't think weaker players should be on the table for playing scum theater.

I've seen people bus with less experience than him. Disagree with you calling him too weak for that. And as I said before, I think it's more likely that ETL is town even though that's a thought that entered my mind.

[Flubbernugget]

1) You can dismiss literally anything as "that's just how I play"
2) self meta is invalidated by the player being aware of it
3) im sure there's another point that's been rehashed to death that I'm missing

Your particular town read also has the grossness that etl is describing an activity tell, all of which are bad tells.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

1) You can dismiss literally anything as "that's just how I play"
2) self meta is invalidated by the player being aware of it
3) im sure there's another point that's been rehashed to death that I'm missing

Your particular town read also has the grossness that etl is describing an activity tell, all of which are bad tells.

I was apologizing for being a spammy thread hog, which is a tendency I have, and which people get mad about in almost all games. It's completely irrelevant to alignment... It's not like I said "If I was scum, I'd be doing this and see looky I'm not" or "I do XYZ as town."

It's NAI.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Furthermore.... it's not like mafia games are deleted when they finish? Lying about "this is just how I play" would be pretty fucking stupid when a monkey could go and verify or disprove it in 10 seconds.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Sorry for being late.
Skitter might be scum becauae every single game we have together is her as scum.
Dunk seems a bit off this game. Illpost more thoughts later

Anyone know where Fykus is from? Anyone play with him before?

[UC Voyager]

Will catch up and make a post after school

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Hello, I rolled town again this game.

This is literally this person's ONLY POST. WTF.

HELLO? DO SOMETHING.

Disgusting.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

NotKnown15 hasn't posted at all. I guess it's only been 24 hours but like... It's not like they even said hi or RVS or ANYTHING.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

taiho might as well be invisible. they have absolutely zero presence.

the tai wagoners need to seriously consider the strength of their argument and back it up because there's so little content in that ISO...

Explain it to me cuz I've got Tai as a straight null due to lack of content.

[jjh927]

Is that a pagetop I see?