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Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:49 am

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YAY FIRST!

hi friends!!!
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Post Post #4 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:50 am

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OOO JINGLE! you decided to play!! let's start this off right then...

VOTE: jingley

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Post Post #51 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:20 pm

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jingle you should have figured out in town by now. anti would have gotten it. also how would know if there's masons?

was gonna vote skitter for being skittish ( :giggle: ) but the more i think about it the jumpiness is more of a town tell imo, especially with that joindate. unless alt. but meh...

hi flubber!! hi wicked!! i've missed this game.

@two - what town *should* do and what townies *actually* do are unfortunately completely different things.

jingle convince me who is scum.

wicked, what do you think on two-ish pages?
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Post Post #52 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:21 pm

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In post 49, Awoo wrote:Sorry for the delay, I've been running a lot of simulations and smartilligent statistical anal,ysis to try to formulate some interneural pre-reads and I'm pleased to announce that the next person to post is going to be confirmed town! Discuss.

VOTE: taiho <-- Good vote, not random
ew...

VOTE: awoo
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Post Post #53 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:23 pm

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In post 26, Flubbernugget wrote:Jingle I think I disagree with you on wicked

VOTE: Wicked
why
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Post Post #54 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:25 pm

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In post 41, TwoInAMillion wrote:I'm not a fan of voting someone without a good reason.

VOTE: Taiho
what about when it garners good reactions, like yours? if there were 20 pages instead of 2, i'd probably agree with you more.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:30 pm

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In post 10, UC Voyager wrote:VOTE: UC Voyager
In post 11, UC Voyager wrote:UNVOTE:

OMGUS
VOTE: UC Voyager
what the shit is this and why did it not get addressed?

VOTE: UCV

i'll get you later awoo. unfortunately i can only lynch one scum a day *sigh*

p: yeah but whyyy flubberrrrr

awoo vote is general feeling of forced entry. icky post was icky.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:39 pm

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hiya jingle! so glad you're here. i don't like your angling at me. stop it. ask me real questions if you're actually trying to get a read instead of just trying to make it seem like you have reasons to scimread me.

i don't know who tai is voting. i was responding to two's statement that voting without a reason isn't a thing town should do. i'm trying to inject some wisdom and sanity here k? it's the least we oldies can do.

noted on what's the person. skitter. that means they should be fairly easy to read if scum, yes?

flubadubflubs.... you still haven't answered muh questionnnnn
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Post Post #66 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:40 pm

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oh right. omgus vote at tai.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:41 pm

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In post 62, Jingle wrote:
In post 56, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 10, UC Voyager wrote:VOTE: UC Voyager
In post 11, UC Voyager wrote:UNVOTE:

OMGUS
VOTE: UC Voyager
what the shit is this and why did it not get addressed?

VOTE: UCV

i'll get you later awoo. unfortunately i can only lynch one scum a day *sigh*

p: yeah but whyyy flubberrrrr

awoo vote is general feeling of forced entry. icky post was icky.

In order...

Trolly site chat newbie and yeah, forced entry into a game is icky, but this is after me being all cryptic mastin 1.0 all over the thread and you know better.
i don't get what you're saying to me.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:43 pm

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In post 55, Flubbernugget wrote:I just didn't think jingle was scum anymore and had to go somewhere else

I'm not seeing what you're seeing with awoo
FLUBBERNATER2000....

1) what changed your mind about jingle?

1.5) what made you think jingle was scum to begin with?

2) why did you pick wicked?
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Post Post #69 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:46 pm

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jingle you're not doing any convincing.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:48 pm

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In post 61, Dunkerdoodles wrote:everyone that's posted on this page is town
In post 59, Flubbernugget wrote:etl I assume we all missed it for the same reason you did but it looks like a good thing to make them squirm

VOTE: ucv

Maybe it's my inner awkward but I don't see that as being forced moreso than overly geeky
why are you copying me? what happened to your wicked read? FLUBBER MY FRIEND... please explain the things.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:50 pm

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In post 70, Jingle wrote:UC Voyager is pretty null. Think Lucky2U or Who. Wouldn't be surprised by a Jester flip there in a game I was modding that had no Jesters. Not a TERRIBLE vote, but I expect more gooder from you. :P

I'm being all cryptic and mastin-y, but old school mastin-y before she got pulled out of her raging egomania and people who don't know that don't enter the game naturally at all. It's like looking at Page 2 of a game where me and TTH have been reciting erotic poetry to each other and saying the awkward post is scum because it's awkward. And you know better than that. You know how people respond to mastin better than anyone.
so, you're reading me based on how you think i should be reading you playing in the style of someone else? :?

i'm already confused by you shtick. all i got out of that was "here's a long winded defense of someone else's post."
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Post Post #76 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:53 pm

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for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.

p: is this kid really trying to school me on mafia? :lol:
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Post Post #78 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:55 pm

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In post 74, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ucv is hard null
think so? it looked like he was trying and failing to be snarky while at the same time avoiding voting anyone.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:56 pm

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In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.

p: is this kid really trying to school me on mafia? :lol:
appeal to authority.
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.
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Post Post #82 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:01 pm

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JINGLE. WICKED. YALL. IVE LEGIT FOUND THE FIRST REAL SCUM. Check Two's tone in this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72708
other town games readily available as well.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

VOTE: twoinamillion
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Post Post #83 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:03 pm

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In post 80, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.

p: is this kid really trying to school me on mafia? :lol:
appeal to authority.
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.
That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.
nope. just annoyed that you tried to correct me on something that you're completely wrong about. it doesn't matter whether you said it was because he didn't have a reason. i tried to start a discussion with you about that and instead you went straight to being an irritating arrogant newbie.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:05 pm

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In post 81, UC Voyager wrote:jesus christ

it was just an omgus self vote...wait a min

UNVOTE:
do something worthwhile.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:06 pm

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In post 84, TwoInAMillion wrote:How is it different? I'm not obligated to have the same "tone" every game.
instead of looking for things to question, you're looking for things to use against a person. huge difference.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:08 pm

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In post 86, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 83, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 80, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.

p: is this kid really trying to school me on mafia? :lol:
appeal to authority.
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.
That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.
nope. just annoyed that you tried to correct me on something that you're completely wrong about. it doesn't matter whether you said it was because he didn't have a reason. i tried to start a discussion with you about that and instead you went straight to being an irritating arrogant newbie.
That's because your refusal to wagon a bad vote made me scum read you. You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.
show me where i pushed anyone around. show me where i refused to wagon someone. show me where i used my vet status to support reasoning. show me where i asked anyone to sheep me.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:10 pm

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don't be mad at me just because you've been wrong in pretty much all of your posts this page.

p: again, show me. explain why it's a "poor play".
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Post Post #95 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:11 pm

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talk about buzzwords :lol:

p: gotcha. thanks flub. you're going to have to circle back to that jingle read before this day ends, you know.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:12 pm

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In post 93, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 90, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:don't be mad at me just because you've been wrong in pretty much all of your posts this page.

p: again, show me. explain why it's a "poor play".
When you supported the non reasoned vote.
i didn't...? i offered an alternate view in hopes you would counter it with a logical explanation of your reasoning. instead, you attacked when questioned. not good.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:14 pm

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In post 92, Dunkerdoodles wrote:two is scummy as town
and i mean super scummy as town
you and i might have different definitions of scummy. i didn't get that vibe from his twin games where he asked loads of questions, gave straight forward answers when questioned. none of this misplaced arrogance and hostility without any actual questioning going on.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:16 pm

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In post 99, Flubbernugget wrote:I'm also surprised you're up and down a new guy's tone yet haven't said anything about me. I've had a shift after a job change a lot of older players immediately picked up on.
because i've determined that you're town.
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Post Post #103 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:19 pm

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club - on uvc, don't get me wrong. he's still doing fuck all and i hate it. but those shitposts are the only thing against him so far vs this enlightening interaction with two. it's much stronger of a read than uvc. i've never been a "pressure" voter.
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Post Post #106 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:25 pm

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In post 102, Awoo wrote:General question, how often making a dumb move like self voting in RVS is an actual scumtell as opposed to a weird/noob playstyle tell?

i don't have figure but a rough guess is more often than not. see my explanation to flubber. it's not strong.


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2million wrote:You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.
Close, but not quite a real point. ETL, your reasoning has been weak as hell so far on every vote you've made. What I've seen from you so far is just a string of easy to make votes that you can later point to as "aggressive townplay" as scum. What is your motivation for this? More importantly, if you are town, what have you learned from this chain of votes?

my first vote was to one of my closest friends - rvs. then you because i didn't like the post. it happened when the post happened. then i reread the first page and spotted uvc post which was even grosser than yours. changed my vote because i felt i had a stronger feeling there. then this exchange with two prompted me to go check his other town games to see if maybe i was being bristly on play style rather than actual scumminess coming from him. discovered tone difference, changed my vote, again because it was much stronger than the case against uvc. it sure what to tell you as far as motivation for voting... i'm voting who i think is most likely to be scum. it's how i play. if i change my mind, i change my vote.


PEDIT: I cant post because everyone keeps posting, literally unplayable
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Post Post #107 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:27 pm

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two that's a false dichotomy. aggressive doesn't equal town and it doesn't equal scum. i'm not voting you for being aggressive.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:29 pm

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In post 104, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 51, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:hi flubber!! hi wicked!! i've missed this game.
Hey ETL! So glad to (finally) be playing with you again. :D
ETL wrote:wicked, what do you think on two-ish pages?
Eh. Not a lot for the first three pages. I kind of liked Dunkerdoodles saying "everyone on this page is town". I think UC's entrance felt kind of townish to me too, if anything - felt slightly relaxed/fearless. I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.
maybe hats what he was saying was mastin-inspired... ? i don't know. i've never been great at reading jingle so i'll let him prove it elsewise i guess. i'm not feeling awesome about him but i don't want to go down that road just yet. i'd like to compare notes with the two of you until something doesn't click and go from there while sorting the people i don't know actively.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #31) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:30 pm

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In post 109, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 107, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:two that's a false dichotomy. aggressive doesn't equal town and it doesn't equal scum. i'm not voting you for being aggressive.
Good, then put your vote where it belongs.
who's pushing people around now?
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Post Post #113 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:34 pm

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In post 108, Dunkerdoodles wrote:something tells me ETL is going to carry if he's town
i think you meant to say "spam the ever loving heck out of the thread". i'm gonna apologize in advance. i'm a very free flowing communicator. i post as i think of things, or as i get things to respond to. i can do wall posts when necessary like catching up but not really my style unless i'm trying super hard to prove a point. also i'm probably gonna be posting from mobile for most of this game, which isn't really conducive to super long posts.

i'll try to reign it in some. but i'm excited to be here.

p: "we can be friends if you don't disagree with me"

dude.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:38 pm

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In post 114, Dunkerdoodles wrote:btw i'll gladly lynch tiam but i don't know if he's scum
poke him some more and see what falls out :lol:

what do you think about the others who have posted?
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Post Post #128 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:32 am

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In post 127, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 123, Wickedestjr wrote:It didn't sound at all random... By disagreeing with Jingle town reading me, that seems to imply you had some reason for thinking I might be scum.
If I straight up admitted my vote was rvs it would have never rocked the bushes, no?
why ya gotta go kill my first town read man....
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Post Post #130 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:22 am

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Nevermind I misread that as "that would have rocked the bushes".
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Post Post #131 (isolation #36) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:36 am

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In post 116, Jingle wrote:Ooh, etl saw the things. Good.
WHAT THINGS?!
In post 117, skitter30 wrote:I was asking about the Dunker/Wicked/Flubber votes cuz I thought it was odd that you were townreading Dunker and nullreading Flubber for making literally the same post right after each other, but I'm seeing that you are familiar with Wicked/ETL/Flubber so I'm now getting why you had a different reaction to the same post made by different people.
Jingle I like this. Why don't you?
skitter wrote:I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.
I would have to disagree. There's something to be said for people going after "low hanging fruit" as it were, but in the RVS-gamemode transition, that's all you've got.

Also, just because someone is new doesn't mean they are town. I need to scumhunt everyone regardless of how new or old they are. Saying this is equivalent to saying, "He's been around this site for ages and ages, obviously he's big bad and scary, so let's lynch him."

I feel pretty strongly about Two at the moment. Unless he proves me wrong, or someone else shows me they are more worthy of my vote, it will stay on him.
In post 37, ironstove wrote:Hello, I rolled town again this game.
Pinging me, dunno why atm, I'll try to figure it out.
How is saying that this pings you any different from me disliking UVC's posts or Two's attitude?
In post 82, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:JINGLE. WICKED. YALL. IVE LEGIT FOUND THE FIRST REAL SCUM. Check Two's tone in this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72708
other town games readily available as well.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

VOTE: twoinamillion
What do you think about this: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=73333&user_select[]=30239
I think he had a power role in that game which changes the dynamic incredibly. However, the tonal shift isn't as dramatic. In that game, he's still asking questions, with actual question marks...
AND
you can tell that he emphasizes the night game there thinking that his ability will be more useful than his interaction/engagement in the thread.

Why did you select this game? I specifically did not select the PR game because the point is not as clear as it is in his vanilla games. It's like, "I have a good point but I'm going to make sure I present it in the most convoluted way, even though it's salient in all of his other town games."
In post 104, Wickedestjr wrote:I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.
This is also kinda ick? You like what you're seeing from him besides for the fact that he thinks he knows your meta? I feel like this is a weird thing to vote someone for, and to *deliberately* keep your vote on someone for, especially when there are sketchier people around and you like what you see from that person otherwise.

But I'm also not sure if scum!wicked would be trying to undermine a townread town!jingle has on him if they apparently have a relationship (like why take this approach instead of buddying him or something?), and I don't think this interaction comes from scumpartners with a prior history with each other.
How well do you know scum!wicked?
In post 124, Fykus wrote:Sorry for being late.
Skitter might be scum becauae every single game we have together is her as scum.
Dunk seems a bit off this game. Illpost more thoughts later
It's later. Please elaborate on these empty comments.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #37) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:37 am

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In post 125, Jingle wrote:Oh? Please tell.
Tis but a feeling.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #38) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:38 am

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In post 125, Jingle wrote:when ETL says at least her Jingle townread was accurate
Dude when...
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Post Post #142 (isolation #39) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:13 am

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In post 141, Flubbernugget wrote:1) You can dismiss literally anything as "that's just how I play"
2) self meta is invalidated by the player being aware of it
3) im sure there's another point that's been rehashed to death that I'm missing

Your particular town read also has the grossness that etl is describing an activity tell, all of which are bad tells.
I was apologizing for being a spammy thread hog, which is a tendency I have, and which people get mad about in almost all games. It's completely irrelevant to alignment... It's not like I said "If I was scum, I'd be doing this and see looky I'm not" or "I do XYZ as town."

It's NAI.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #40) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:21 am

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Furthermore.... it's not like mafia games are deleted when they finish? Lying about "this is just how I play" would be pretty fucking stupid when a monkey could go and verify or disprove it in 10 seconds.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #41) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:40 am

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In post 124, Fykus wrote:Sorry for being late.
Skitter might be scum becauae every single game we have together is her as scum.
Dunk seems a bit off this game. Illpost more thoughts later
Anyone know where Fykus is from? Anyone play with him before?
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Post Post #146 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:44 am

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In post 37, ironstove wrote:Hello, I rolled town again this game.
This is literally this person's ONLY POST. WTF.

HELLO? DO SOMETHING.

Disgusting.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:46 am

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NotKnown15 hasn't posted at all. I guess it's only been 24 hours but like... It's not like they even said hi or RVS or ANYTHING.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:50 am

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taiho might as well be invisible. they have absolutely zero presence.

the tai wagoners need to seriously consider the strength of their argument and back it up because there's so little content in that ISO...

Explain it to me cuz I've got Tai as a straight null due to lack of content.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:56 am

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I was just doing an informal one!

Jingle - Wicked, Dunk
UCV - flubber
Fykus - skitter
skitter - Jingle, awoo
TIAM - taiho, ETL,
taiho - TIAM


Not Voting: Fykus, ironstove, Not Known 15, UCV,
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Post Post #153 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:15 am

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In post 152, Awoo wrote:So we find three people in similar situations of low activity. You defend tai, waive nk15, and and call iron disgusting. Care to explain?
similar != same.

For tai, there's at least a few posts, not just one bullshit post with nothing in it. my issue was more with the people acting like this is the best wagon the site has ever seen, and yet there's nothing there? that's a problem for me.

How did I "waive" NK15? I specifically called them out for not even entering the thread.

iron's post is disgusting. It's not even a vote. Nor a greeting of any kind. It's straight uncomfortable, awkward, LAMIST-y nonsense. And he never came back. It makes the slot unreadable, and that's frustrating to me. "disgusting" applies to UVC too.

for fykus, at least, there was a greeting, and it wasn't some flippant nonsense. it felt more genuine than iron's, but he still needs to get in here and do things.

NK15 hasn't said a single word so I have literally nothing to go on - could just be a total flake, in which case, totally not alignment indicative. could just be someone who only visits once every other day or so. again, NAI. I can't say anything about the slot, because there's nothing happening there.

all of them are problematic in that they have the potential to become dead weight players, and for someone who is active and putting effort in like I am, it would be infuriating to see them persist into LYLO like that and be completely useless and null.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:17 am

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In post 153, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:my issue was more with the people acting like this is the best wagon the site has ever seen, and yet there's nothing there? that's a problem for me.
nevermind apparently it's just TiaM? Why does it feel like there's a lot more pushing of taiho than the votes suggest?

must investigate..
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Post Post #155 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 am

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skitter has fewer posts than tai, and yet waaaaaaaaay more content to review.

*sigh*

here's where i'm at for the moment. i should really get back to work. end of the fiscal year and all that. i guess i'll be back later tonight or tomorrow :(



town - flubber, dunker

feels town, but are they? awoo, skitter

null b/c no content - fykus, ironstove, notknown15, tai

null b/c i dont know - wicked, jingle

blech - UCV

scum - TiaM
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Post Post #162 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:31 am

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In post 161, UC Voyager wrote:ok... i honestly dont want to read everything so i will try to make points with whatever people say after this or things i see scroll backwords
OHHHHHHHHH MY GOOOOOODDDDDD.....
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Post Post #164 (isolation #50) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:34 am

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In post 161, UC Voyager wrote:i honestly dont want to read
Why the fuck did you join the game then!?!?!!!
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Post Post #170 (isolation #51) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:39 am

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In post 160, Jingle wrote:Glad we can agree on 2000000 though.
If you agree, show me with your vote. Otherwise, I would greatly appreciate some insight to your current skitter vote.

p-edit: UCV, I have a full time job and go to school full time, so that's really no excuse to come in here and flat out say you have no intention of even reading what we're all talking about, and yet have the nerve to think you'd be able to just jump in and have anything worthwhile to add to the conversation that's been going on for the last few pages... I've been able to contribute. It's 5 pages, not 50.

I don't have any obligation to let you slide for that, so, do what you will but don't expect me to be ok with you being lazy on page fucking 7.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #52) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:44 am

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In post 27, skitter30 wrote:
In post 7, Wickedestjr wrote:
Vote: Jingle


Who are you scum with, then?
In post 8, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: jingle
In post 9, Dunkerdoodles wrote:VOTE: jingle
In post 15, Jingle wrote:DD and Wicked are probs town, btw.
I'm kinda wondering why you think 'DD and Wicked are probs town' here but didn't say anything about Flubber
In post 19, Jingle wrote:skitter probs scum.
Apparently I should've voted for you to be townread by you too lol
.... why is it the worst post in the game?

I don't know what you're smoking. I think you are flat out wrong.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #53) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:44 am

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OHHH MY GODDDD

Why do these people even sign up to this site? I honestly don't understand it at all. They don't wanna play so why do they waste everyone's time and steal a player slot from someone who would actually contribute to the enjoyment of the game...
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Post Post #178 (isolation #54) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:48 am

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VOTE: ironstove
kill it with fire. i'm not dealing with this bullshit.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #55) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am

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There seriously needs to be some site rules regarding this kind of behavior.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #56) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:10 pm

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on phone, at trivia so i only have until this song ends, but jingle i'm tracking now. will elaborate more and respond to posts i couldn't respond to earlier probably tomorrow morning before or during class

VOTE: skitter
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Post Post #260 (isolation #57) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:05 am

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VOTE: twoinamillion

that's a scumclaim if ever i saw one.

why claim at this point? a bit of pressure from awoo and suddenly it's time to claim?

nope.
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Post Post #262 (isolation #58) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:06 am

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i read but i didn't have time to respond. i'm here and reading more thoroughly now.

p - hurrr
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Post Post #264 (isolation #59) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:11 am

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two is at L-1??

UNVOTE:

that's where i want it, but i'm not ready to end just yet. lemme finish putting my thoughts together.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #60) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:32 am

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I'M MAKING RESPONSES DAMMIT.
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Post Post #268 (isolation #61) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:47 am

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your vote makes no sense. if two is scum, you say i'm scum. if skitter is scum, you say i'm scum.

so why wouldn't you just vote me?? if i'm scum in both of your scenarios it stands to reason i should be your number one suspect yet you vote awoo? also considering you supposedly suspected two all this time but don't wanna vote him? i have a response to previous posts upstairs but it seems i was right about you this game. your trajectory makes zero sense except in the case you are scum with two.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #62) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:58 am

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In post 160, Jingle wrote:Awoo is town. Tai and Wicked too. I'm withholding judgement on Flubs.

Glad we can agree on 2000000 though.
IF 2iam is scum, my expected partners include you/awoo, so I find the whole "I was waiting for you" thing curious. I mean, why...? What exactly are you waiting for? Why do you need my approval to vote? Why would you wait so long to push ... anyone? The thing I am concerned about here is if TIAM is indeed scum, and you are his partner, you will try to hammer for cred, knowing already what he is. Doubly so if he flips goon and nothing more interesting.

With the neighborizer claim.. I'm 99% sure he's scum now. If he actually is a neighborizer, there's no way he's town - too powerful in the hands of town, but balancing in the hands of scum. Especially if what you say about masons is true - no way there's masons
and
a town neighborizer. I don't see that getting through review.

In post 173, Jingle wrote:She actively avoids interacting with the information in the thread when she comes in, including an L-3 wagon, a softclaim and two naked votes to naked vote an unrelated person who hasn't posted yet, and immediately after suspicion is brought up about her doubles back to ask a bunch of questions about the things she just ignored while focusing in on the ramifications of the read on her, not what it says about any of the other players.
And the other thing here is if TIAM is scum, I don't believe skitter is. There's an argument for skitter. I'll admit that you have made good points here. I played a bit of devil's advocate in my head with this yesterday, but it's sound and makes sense. BUT TIAM IS SO MUCH SCUMMIER?! And in my mind, if that's the case, then all of these issues were more than likely presented by a town player (skitter), which makes me wonder - are any of these points worthwhile in the first place? I'm not criticizing your analysis or scum-hunting abilities, just the reality of it, if that makes sense.

RE: NK15's catch up. IIIIIIIII LIKE IT. It's not pretty, and it's mostly wrong, but it shows a thought process. I'm labeling that town. Not as strong as flubber and dunker, but town nonetheless.

Oh also also also, regarding Skitter's posts, so, the reason I voted was because I was having doubts about two the more I read skitter. I was getting weird vibes from all the explaining and defending. But then two voted with me back to back on skitter, and that seemed completely wrong - first of all, he supposedly suspects me, but votes with me? on a wagon i heard nothing about from him...
In post 186, Jingle wrote:brief meta dive suggests that UC and IS are both high risk for shitposting, but will likely increase in usefulness and content as the thread gains content, so I'm content to push things that are likely to be scum until it's proven that I need to ridicule them for not playing the game.
I'd be happy if they disappeared. ironstove is a bad player, period. it's shameful. i don't expect everyone to be a scumhunting god, but i do expect players to uphold their responsibility to the game and respect for the other people who came to actually play. and the worst part is they make their slot completely unreadable. fine, if they're scum, but completely unforgivable if they are town.
In post 190, Jingle wrote:Why would you want to hunt for who the masons were, especially if I was unwilling to share that information right out?
Really didn't get that vibe from skitter's post.
In post 192, skitter30 wrote:I wasn't hunting for them. That's what I first saw when I read the first page.
I was aware that I was a tad sleep-deprived at the time, and that I wasn't thinking clearly
, and that I probably wasn't looking at that properly. The more I thought about it, the more unlikey I thought it was, specifically because the odds of just the two of them posting right after each other within minutes of you posting that was kinda slim.

Since I was pretty sure I made it up, I wanted to know why you were reading Flubber/Dunker differently.

That's why my first line of 27 was an observation instead of a question. I wanted to leave it open-ended. If I wasn't making things up, you could ignore it. If I was seeing things that weren't there, I wanted an answer for why it seemed like you were treating Dunker/Flubber differently for the same post, and that was an invitation for you to talk about it more.
This was the post that made me want to vote skitter, the bolded especially. it felt too... excuse-make-y. i kept rereading your post with the reasons why you wanted to vote skitter, and trying to see how you might be right and how you might be wrong. this post fit for me, so i voted.

then two voted right after me. i like dunker's reaction there.
In post 196, UC Voyager wrote:I love how ESL (especially the lies) has so far tried to be the town leader or something. He has been drawing attention to everyone, but it almost as if he is trying to avoid bringing attention to himself! He has very ineffective scum hunting tactics, and it makes me think he is scum!
:lol:

First of all, no one tries to be a town leader (successfully), so if you think I'm the town leader, then I must be. Second, it's my fucking job to draw attention to
everyone
... it's called scumhunting. Third, if you're going to make a statement like "he has very ineffective scum hunting tactics", be prepared to explain 1) what tactics those are and 2) why they are ineffective.

So,
UCV
, what tactics am I using and why are they ineffective? Do enlighten me, oh wise one.

Actually, nevermind, IDGAF. You're probably town. Bad town, but whatever. Keep on doing you.

===== (insert bad jingle posts I read before continuing my catch up)

In post 203, skitter30 wrote: ETL - I dunno, might be scum. Push on Two is bad, but I wanna see what she has to say about what I wrote earlier about Two. Vote on me was bad. I absolutely hated this:
In post 64, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:hiya jingle! so glad you're here. i don't like your angling at me. stop it. ask me real questions if you're actually trying to get a read
instead of just trying to make it seem like you have reasons to scimread me
.
Too defensive and too much shadethrowing for Jingle's question of 'Are you scum?' and comment of 'needs to start towntelling'. I don't know where she's getting the bolded from cuz I don't see where Jingle implied that at all.
Why didn't you just ask me about this post? You say you prefer people to ask you questions about things they don't understand, yet do not follow your own advice.

The response wasn't simply at Jingle's singular statement, it was at the whole post, and his posts prior to that directed at me. His entire trajectory appeared to be an attempt on his part to give himself justification to "come around" to scumreading me - a scum strategy to make votes appear legitimate. If he's scum, he'd know he would need actual reasons to scumread me, and he'd know that I'd hound him for reasonable explanations, and he'd know that if they weren't satisfactory, I'd fight him to the noose. It looked to me like he was trying to fabricate this trajectory rather than asking me questions and approaching a scumread naturally.

You don't see it, but I do. I know him pretty well, have been playing mafia with him for years now. He's one of my favorite people, so it's more of reading his attitude towards me and comparing it to expectations based on history. That is not something I would expect you to pick up since you don't have the same history with either of us.
In post 205, ironstove wrote:
In post 177, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:OHHH MY GODDDD

Why do these people even sign up to this site? I honestly don't understand it at all. They don't wanna play so why do they waste everyone's time and steal a player slot from someone who would actually contribute to the enjoyment of the game...
In post 178, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:VOTE: ironstove
kill it with fire. i'm not dealing with this bullshit.
I detect some fake outrage in a sad attempt to virtue signal some town telling
In post 206, ironstove wrote:That's simpleton LAMIST mafia behavior 101
In post 207, ironstove wrote:Lock town:
Ironstove
UC Voyager
Dunkerdoodles

REST:
TBD
soooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad......

I like skitter's inclination to analyze the votes on her own wagon. scum don't really do that.
In post 210, Dunkerdoodles wrote:skitter locktown too
locktown bloc: me, skitter, ironstove, flubber, etl, jingle

subject to change
agreed mostly, except maybe for jingle. i'm not so sure about him.
In post 211, TwoInAMillion wrote:saying that my posting is "all sorts of ick" and then criticizing my wagoners for being opportunistic is pretty much the definition of fence sitting.
uhhh... not really.. they are not exclusive to each other. you can think someone is scummy and still recognize that the manner in which votes collected on your preferred wagon were executed in an opportunistic manner or with opportunistic reasons. i agree there's some cogdis on skitter's part but its not fence sitting.

fence sitting is being unwilling to give a definitive read or opinion on someone or something.

what is it with you and incorrect mafia definitions?? it's like you read the wiki cuz you wanted to sound like you knew what you were talking about but didn't really grasp anything that you read.

skitter's response to two is ok.
In post 236, Dunkerdoodles wrote:or maybe you're so bad scum doesn't want to kill you so you can destroy town
this. "endgaming" is not an accomplishment, it's an embarrassment.
In post 242, Dunkerdoodles wrote:if you aren't nightkilled generally it means either your reads are really bad that game and you're pushing town or you aren't contributing as much as others.
In post 243, TwoInAMillion wrote:Clearly that wasn't the case considering in the wins I was not nightkilled in and still on I was contributing to most of the scum wagons.
:lol: he's not getting it, and it's funny, cuz he just keeps reinforcing dunker's point...

i'm just being an asshole. i'll stop. but dunker is making good points about two.
In post 251, Jingle wrote:1. I'd like to hardclaim before the end of day so that I can explain what I believe my role to mean before I get shot. And let's be clear here, I'm pretty obviously getting shot at some point in the near future.
*SIGH*

If you are town, you are being stupid.

I like tai, tai can be town. but she needs to get a move on.

In post 256, Awoo wrote:I think it's worth looking into that most of what people refer to as the speed on the skitter wagon came from sketchy slots like TIAM and Not known.
I've always been a fan of the "momentum read". I've also been shot down on it so many times and proved wrong so many times, I've given up touting it's usefulness. But I like that you're thinking about it. I like that people are looking at that. It's a good tool, if nothing else.


Ok, all caught up. all that's left is to leave whatever ideas I can as I'm pretty sure I'm dying tonight.


Updated:
town - flubber, dunker

town ish - skitter, NK15, tai

feels town, but are they? awoo, UCV

null b/c no content - fykus, ironstove

null b/c i dont know - wicked,

maybe scum? jingle

scum - TiaM
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Post Post #277 (isolation #63) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:00 am

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==OOC==
In post 272, Jingle wrote:Oooooh. Found it.

Spoiler:
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In my attempts to find it myself, I came across this lovely post:

Subject: Micro 318: AP's Stolen Setup (GAME OVER)
EspeciallyTheLies wrote:ilIed. day3 didnts tart on time. bestiecrsis. openin thead momentarily.

i'm a bittle doo dunk for flavor. and will fix sit later.
ah those were the days (not) :lol:
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Post Post #278 (isolation #64) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:01 am

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I think I'm done. It seems pretty early in the day for a lynch, but man if two is a scum lynch its too easy for those to slip through town's fingers, and I will be pissed that I had him and let him get away due to paranoia. I'm willing to simmer for a bit, but not long.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #65) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:17 am

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i disagree. and am surprised you are making that argument.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #66) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:23 am

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I've literally done nothing since I got to work at 12:30 but read and respond to posts in this damn thread. So, I'll be back tomorrow afternoon cuz I have a shitton of shit to get done by yesterday.
In post 276, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Updated:
town - flubber, dunker

town ish - skitter, NK15, tai
These people - please poke the rest, and poke em good!
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Post Post #284 (isolation #67) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:35 am

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thor doesn't have to *try*. he's thor remember.

i'll read/respond in detail when i'm not driving
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Post Post #287 (isolation #68) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:14 pm

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In post 283, Jingle wrote:
Spoiler: ETL Wall
In post 276, EspeciallyTheLies wrote: IF 2iam is scum, my expected partners include you/awoo, so I find the whole "I was waiting for you" thing curious. I mean, why...? What exactly are you waiting for? Why do you need my approval to vote? Why would you wait so long to push ... anyone? The thing I am concerned about here is if TIAM is indeed scum, and you are his partner, you will try to hammer for cred, knowing already what he is. Doubly so if he flips goon and nothing more interesting.
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And the other thing here is if TIAM is scum, I don't believe skitter is. There's an argument for skitter. I'll admit that you have made good points here. I played a bit of devil's advocate in my head with this yesterday, but it's sound and makes sense. BUT TIAM IS SO MUCH SCUMMIER?! And in my mind, if that's the case, then all of these issues were more than likely presented by a town player (skitter), which makes me wonder - are any of these points worthwhile in the first place? I'm not criticizing your analysis or scum-hunting abilities, just the reality of it, if that makes sense.
Now that is exactly what I just said.
RE: NK15's catch up. IIIIIIIII LIKE IT. It's not pretty, and it's mostly wrong, but it shows a thought process. I'm labeling that town. Not as strong as flubber and dunker, but town nonetheless.
Premature, but viable.
First of all, no one tries to be a town leader (successfully), so if you think I'm the town leader, then I must be. Second, it's my fucking job to draw attention to
everyone
... it's called scumhunting. Third, if you're going to make a statement like "he has very ineffective scum hunting tactics", be prepared to explain 1) what tactics those are and 2) why they are ineffective.
No one? Not even Thor, or in the glory days, Lying Cat? I agree that he's full of shit here, btw, but you know damn well that there are people who can and will take the thread and make it theirs on purpose as either alignment.
The response wasn't simply at Jingle's singular statement, it was at the whole post, and his posts prior to that directed at me. His entire trajectory appeared to be an attempt on his part to give himself justification to "come around" to scumreading me - a scum strategy to make votes appear legitimate. If he's scum, he'd know he would need actual reasons to scumread me, and he'd know that I'd hound him for reasonable explanations, and he'd know that if they weren't satisfactory, I'd fight him to the noose. It looked to me like he was trying to fabricate this trajectory rather than asking me questions and approaching a scumread naturally.

You don't see it, but I do. I know him pretty well, have been playing mafia with him for years now. He's one of my favorite people, so it's more of reading his attitude towards me and comparing it to expectations based on history. That is not something I would expect you to pick up since you don't have the same history with either of us.
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How do I read you, ETL?

A hint. I don't know if I've ever come out and said ETL is scum. I do the opposite well. I can townread you on page 2 and be right on the money. The only other real ETL read I get is "I don't know for sure."

Then you should have gotten it by now.

soooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad......

I like skitter's inclination to analyze the votes on her own wagon. Newbscum don't really do that.
FTFY, but still valid.
good fix. that's what i meant.

In post 210, Dunkerdoodles wrote:skitter locktown too
locktown bloc: me, skitter, ironstove, flubber, etl, jingle

subject to change
agreed mostly, except maybe for jingle. i'm not so sure about him.
Psh. You know I'm town, you just don't want to admit it yet.
i know nothing. there's only one person i know is town.

skitter's response to two is literally the best part of their in thread presence.
FTFY

Unfortunately, it could come from scum in survival mode so it's more null than anything, but I do WANT it to be town.
thats why i said it was "ok"

In post 242, Dunkerdoodles wrote:if you aren't nightkilled generally it means either your reads are really bad that game and you're pushing town or you aren't contributing as much as others.
Or Jingle's scum and getting cocky again. ;) Or that the nightkills were pretty much forced by PR interactions (Role madness or bad game design.)
In post 251, Jingle wrote:1. I'd like to hardclaim before the end of day so that I can explain what I believe my role to mean before I get shot. And let's be clear here, I'm pretty obviously getting shot at some point in the near future.
*SIGH*

If you are town,
you are being stupid.

I like tai, tai can be town. but she needs to get a move on.
See. These are the things, ETL. These things. Do them more.
i will do what i want.


And yeah, I'm being stupid. My problem with the gamestate is that my two preferred wagons are both close to lynch. And that makes me feel like people are sheeping me. And that makes me feel like I'm wrong and we're going to lose. This is my curse. This is my life.
dont claim unless you have to. don't be dumb

Ok, all caught up. all that's left is to leave whatever ideas I can as I'm pretty sure I'm dying tonight.
Oh, so you know I'm town. :D
what??


Updated:
town - flubber, dunker

town ish - skitter, NK15, tai

feels town, but are they? awoo, UCV

null b/c no content - fykus, ironstove

null b/c i dont know - wicked,

maybe scum? jingle

scum - TiaM
Wicked doesn't poke me right out the gate, or get in between us. He knows me as a combative asshole who is really good at getting his way and scum wicked has literally 0 reason to draw my attention to him that soon. I'm pretty sure he's also seen my propensity to tunnel someone over almost nothing for the entire game, like a dog with a bone.
what is the conclusion here? i'm missing it


Flubbs has had individual posts that make me want to townbin him, but nothing screams it to me, so I'd still like to hear the logic there.
do you not remember flubber scum??? this isn't it.
this post was mostly empty. what's up with that jingles?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #69) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:19 pm

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ok you can be town.

i think you're wrong about the neighborizer. and i think we should lynch him. but maybe not today...? *sigh* i can see using it to the advantage of town for at least one night.

i also think we should discuss who he plans to neighborize, now that the role has been outed. what do you think about that?
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Post Post #292 (isolation #70) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:22 pm

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In post 289, Jingle wrote:DD is slightly less town, but still very town because he was the naked humpvote on a P1 wagon on someone who may well have been claiming masons out the gate. Newbscum ISN'T that ballsy. Flubbs might pull that, but DD wouldn't.
nobody claimed masons.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #71) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:32 pm

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i elect dunker
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Post Post #331 (isolation #72) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:33 am

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In post 329, TwoInAMillion wrote:Every night I can target either the same or a different person.
so... "target anyone". you target at night then, and not during the day? this would make me think you don't get the neighborhood until the next day or night.
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Post Post #434 (isolation #73) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:27 am

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prod received -
@mod: just fyi, i am generally v/la on weekends, should have mentioned that before
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Post Post #490 (isolation #74) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:37 am

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In post 458, Awoo wrote:VOTE: TWOINAMILLION

Here's your hammer. If this flip makes me look bad at least I can say that I lynched scum.
In post 475, TwoInAMillion wrote:Nice to get hammered before the replacement has a chance to speak. Opportunistic much?
In post 488, Awoo wrote:I love the flavor for this game, don't give up on it! I've got a lot of unanswered questions still hanging over my head. Working on responding.
yeah ya do.

LUV was doing an amazing job getting his hustle on the catch up. the game was in dire need of a fresh infusion of vitality like that, and you shut it down.

not to mention, ya know, the fact that we were discussing having two neighborize someone. we'd just gotten over the weekend and activity was likely to pick up, making room for a wagon shift, but, you didn't allow that to happen.

flubber
- explain.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #75) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:38 am

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In post 486, UC Voyager wrote:now ima actually Iso a few people and try to find scum
YAY! i started that over the night, had 4 left by the time i got too busy to continue.
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Post Post #493 (isolation #76) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:40 am

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In post 485, Wickedestjr wrote:
And so my time has ended now.
'Twas a good life, but now I rest.
Don't worry, for I am in peace.
Avenge my death and lynch those scum!


:dead:
this reminds me of when he spoke the whole game as jaqen hagar, but i hadn't seen GoT at the time, and didn't appreciate it as much as i would've today. sad to see you go so soon, friend :(
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Post Post #494 (isolation #77) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:41 am

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In post 492, Flubbernugget wrote:We didn't need tiam neighborizing people

Also I thought you said neighborizor was negative/zero utility?
I was not the one who said that.

Please explain your dunker vote.
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Post Post #495 (isolation #78) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:41 am

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In post 492, Flubbernugget wrote:We didn't need tiam neighborizing people
and why not??
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Post Post #496 (isolation #79) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:45 am

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In post 490, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:yeah ya do.

LUV was doing an amazing job getting his hustle on the catch up. the game was in dire need of a fresh infusion of vitality like that, and you shut it down.

not to mention, ya know, the fact that we were discussing having two neighborize someone. we'd just gotten over the weekend and activity was likely to pick up, making room for a wagon shift, but, you didn't allow that to happen.
Flubber, this part was for Awoo...


.... are you feeling....



GUILTY?
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Post Post #497 (isolation #80) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:49 am

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FLUBBER.

In post 494, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Please explain your dunker vote.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #81) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:52 am

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VOTE: flubber
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Post Post #499 (isolation #82) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:07 am

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town {fykus,
dunkerdoodle
, wicked}

null-town {ucv, taiho, LUV}

null {jingle, ironstove}

null-scum {skitter}

scum {
flubber
, awoo}

UCV
- this is where I was at, with bolded being the strongest reads. still needed to ISO jingle, wicked, luv, awoo, finished that up this morning. you seem like you actually have an interest in getting engaged with this game and i want to help you do that if i can.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #83) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:54 am

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read their ISOs skitter. they're both short but good.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #84) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:49 am

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awoo what is your read on flubber?
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Post Post #528 (isolation #85) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:27 pm

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In post 520, Flubbernugget wrote:I have a result on dunkerdoodles
what kind of result?
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Post Post #529 (isolation #86) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:03 pm

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seriously... who drops that kinda shit and then runs away?
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Post Post #534 (isolation #87) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:32 pm

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In post 531, Flubbernugget wrote:I don't want to full claim my investigative role just yet. It is an atypical role.

If I survive the night, I have potential to clear people. If I don't, dunkerdoodles' role will be easily determined by my flip.

I don't remember them to be widely town read, nor do I think they should be. I tried to go for a player that didn't have much to say, but wasn't complete vi status in the event I have a false positive.
and you voted him based on your "result" ...?

If i remember correctly, normals only get one "atypical" role, and supposedly jingle has it. so one of you is lying.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #88) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:36 pm

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not buying it.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #89) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:51 pm

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In post 538, Flubbernugget wrote:Lol etl are you afraid of me being able to clear someone tomorrow?
i do not believe you flubber.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #90) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:52 pm

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you explain why your "result" ends with you voting dunker, otherwise it's bullshit.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #91) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:56 pm

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nope. not good enough.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #92) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:57 pm

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In post 121, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 26, Flubbernugget wrote:Jingle I think I disagree with you on wicked

VOTE: Wicked
In post 91, Flubbernugget wrote:Wicked was a new rvs vote.
???
In post 123, Wickedestjr wrote:It didn't sound at all random... By disagreeing with Jingle town reading me, that seems to imply you had some reason for thinking I might be scum.
also this.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #93) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:00 pm

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don't test me, flubs. you've been caught. deal with it.

pedit

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh flubber.... yes. as scum i would be that painfully obvious. /s :lol:
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Post Post #551 (isolation #94) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:01 pm

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In post 549, Flubbernugget wrote:If you're still thinking jingle crumbled a non normal role, he didn't.

@dunk that would be bastard
and you know exactly what role jingle claimed.... how?
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Post Post #553 (isolation #95) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:02 pm

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In post 549, Flubbernugget wrote:If you're still thinking jingle crumbled a non normal role, he didn't.

@dunk that would be bastard
and that's how i know you're full of shit flubber.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #96) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:02 pm

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In post 552, Dunkerdoodles wrote:if you have a red on me just say it
^^^^
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Post Post #557 (isolation #97) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:04 pm

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In post 555, Flubbernugget wrote:Hold on. I missed [p]288[/p]. It's not a Mason backup.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post Post #562 (isolation #98) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:07 pm

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In post 560, Flubbernugget wrote:Nope, jingle can still be explicitly normal. Strange, but normal.
ELABORATE BETTER.
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In post 554, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 552, Dunkerdoodles wrote:if you have a red on me just say it
^^^^
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Post Post #566 (isolation #100) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:08 pm

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In post 564, Flubbernugget wrote:Confirming with my own eyes
then you're full of shit.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #101) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:10 pm

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In post 554, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 552, Dunkerdoodles wrote:if you have a red on me just say it
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Post Post #571 (isolation #102) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:12 pm

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if i could vote you 6 times i would flubber.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #103) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:13 pm

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skitter, flubber is absolutely, 100% confirmed scum right now.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #104) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:15 pm

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In post 576, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 574, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:skitter, flubber is absolutely, 100% confirmed scum right now.
not yet
he's making shit up. no actual town role with loyal modifier would behave this way if he had a true guilty.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #105) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:16 pm

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and let's not pretend that mafia chose HIM to role lock if they had one.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #106) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:17 pm

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In post 579, Dunkerdoodles wrote:well he can claim his role and we can see if it makes sense or not
that's what i'm waiting for. he's stalling with BS.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #107) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:18 pm

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also flubber scum flip confirms awoo-town.
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Post Post #583 (isolation #108) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:19 pm

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which also means two of skitter, jingle and ironstove are the partners.
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Post Post #584 (isolation #109) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:20 pm

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In post 582, Flubbernugget wrote:Skittles and dunkerdoodles are right

Enabler is also normal

There's an easier way to solve this. If jingle catches up on this and cc's me, we have a town for scum trade which is probably better than a potential clear anyway.
STOP STALLING. you claim a guilty on dunker with your vote but are too afraid to come out and actually say one way or the other.

YES. OR NO. DO YOU HAVE A GUILTY RESULT ON DUNKER?
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Post Post #588 (isolation #110) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:25 pm

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dude! what if both jingle and flubs are scum and he's trying to set up a supposed 1 v 1 where lynching one "clears" the other....

i've done that shit before
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Post Post #589 (isolation #111) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:25 pm

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i could see that
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Post Post #592 (isolation #112) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:43 pm

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In post 521, Awoo wrote:...you performed an investigation on one of the most townread slots?
1) no scum posts this to a partner who's faking a guilty.

2) check my reads list from the start of the day
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Post Post #593 (isolation #113) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:44 pm

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also, if flubber was actually town, where are the scum flocking to "jump on the easy target"?
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Post Post #594 (isolation #114) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:44 pm

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all i see is you defending him, skitter.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #115) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:53 pm

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fair enough.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #116) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:02 pm

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In post 597, Flubbernugget wrote:The simplest answer to 593 is that dunkerdoodles is scum.

Either way, you should probably read again. I said nothing about dunkerdoodles being an "easy target"
you. flubber. you would be the easy target. you're not even thinking like town... you're assuming dunker is the easy town target in this scenario... that makes zero sense if you supposedly have a guilty on him.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #117) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:29 am

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no.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #118) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:30 am

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In post 607, Jingle wrote:Also, ETL, get your head out of your ass. Why does flubbs fakeclaim not a hard guilty with almost no pressure on him. He’s 90% town 10% insane. And in either case he lives at least one more dayphase
this post tells me that not only do you
know
i'm town, but that you are indeed flubs partner.
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Post Post #676 (isolation #119) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:13 am

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In post 668, Dunkerdoodles wrote:VOTE: luv
choo choo
no... why?

jingle you flubber and ironstove are not fooling goddamn anyone.

this has to stop. miller is not a fucking normal role, it's fucking insane that you even brought it up. second, for someone who claimed to "know" there were masons at the start of the game, if you're actually town, you're being really fucking stupid and since i know you aren't really fucking stupid, you must be scum with the way you keep hard defending flubber.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #120) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:14 am

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what POSSIBLE REASON COULD THE POSSIBLY BE for me to KNOW flubber is a lying sack of shit? hmmmmm???? think about it.
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Post Post #679 (isolation #121) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:17 am

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what POSSIBLE reason could there POSSIBLY BE for dunker to continue to assume if flubber were town he must have a loyal modifier instead of anything else??? jesus fucking christ.


people. stop letting scum run you around and get your heads all mixed up with bad "logic" that doesn't make sense if you recognize that dunker is town.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #122) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:20 am

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HELLO
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Post Post #683 (isolation #123) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:29 am

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In post 681, skitter30 wrote:
In post 676, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:jingle you flubber and ironstove are not fooling goddamn anyone.
What happened to me?
i don't think you have as high a chance of being partners with jingle/flubber as ironstove does, especially with his most recent posts that just scream of over-night coaching from buddies.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #124) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:34 am

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In post 584, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 582, Flubbernugget wrote:Skittles and dunkerdoodles are right

Enabler is also normal

There's an easier way to solve this. If jingle catches up on this and cc's me, we have a town for scum trade which is probably better than a potential clear anyway.
STOP STALLING. you claim a guilty on dunker with your vote but are too afraid to come out and actually say one way or the other.

YES. OR NO. DO YOU HAVE A GUILTY RESULT ON DUNKER?
i mean, it has LITERALLY BEEN
DAYS
of stalling to avoid answering a simple question. tell me what town player denies good information that would lead to a possible scum lynch if he actually had good information??? there is no scenario in which a town player fumbles and evades and skirts around an answer this much if a scum lynch is on the table. absolutely none. and you know why this is happening? because scumflubber chose the wrong person to fake a guilty on. he got caught. and now he has no idea what to do.
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Post Post #686 (isolation #125) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:51 am

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AND ANOTHER THING. D1 two claimed a pr. outright. but jingle didn't argue so hard to leave him alive did he? no. suddenly, we *have* to keep flubber alive when he won't even explain... ANYTHING? this is a HUGE contradiction to yesterday. why is anyone taking it at face value when there is someone TELLING YOU POINT BLANK HE IS LYING?

skitter that is a giant post and i'm mobile. i can't quote/edit it easily at the moment. give me bits and pieces one at a time or read my posts better.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #126) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:52 am

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over night meaning over the night phase in the scum PT.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #127) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:54 am

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skitter i already answered you in 683???? why are you asking the same question over and over? do you WANT me to scumread you? your posts don't warrant it. wtf else am i supposed to say here? i've answered you as plainly as i can.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #128) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:56 am

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flubber voting ironstove is a bus obviously if they are partners. do you somehow think that never happens? i am positive on flubber. mostly sure about jingle. ironstove is likely but not solid. or i'd be voting one of them!
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Post Post #690 (isolation #129) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:58 am

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flubber is trying to save his ass after getting caught. he doesn't want to push the dunker issue anymore because it failed miserably. all he can do is vote someone he thinks is reasonable enough to vote without getting too much attention but isn't very likely to get lynched today.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #130) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:00 am

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i'm busy now. don't be dumb. lynch the caught scum flubber.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #131) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:25 am

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In post 695, Flubbernugget wrote:There is nothing explicitly non-normal or bastard about me finding a property of dunkerdoodles's role.

Dunk. Please think about the one property of your role that is shared with scum.

ETL, do you have a similar town read on LUV that you do to Dunkerdoodles?
OMFG YOU ARE DUMB.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #697 (isolation #132) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:26 am

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sorry. you're not dumb. just frustrating me.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #133) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:37 am

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dunk still seems like a really terrible choice on your part.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #134) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:38 am

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i need to think and reread some things. which i don't have time for right this second. tomorrow.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #135) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:43 am

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Oooooh shit... flubber could still be scum wth jingle and that would explain jingles D1 posts a LOT.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #136) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:24 am

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ah yes my first normal... that was terrible :lol:

i don't know wtf is going on anymore. i trust absolutely no one anymore so.... you can't all be town and i don't know.

why is luv being pushed now?
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Post Post #729 (isolation #137) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:26 am

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but jingle i still don't get why you've been rallying flubbers banner all day? that makes no sense for supposedly independent players.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #138) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:45 am

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In post 766, Flubbernugget wrote:My favorite part about luv's recent shitposting is that it's all about something he said he was going to move on from
i see no shitposting. especially compared to how LUV was the last couple times i played with him. i do see a lot of weird miscommunication/misunderstanding going on between LUV and jingle.

check ironstoves ISO pre-today. that is shit posting. i really don't believe he suddenly got his head in the game. somebody fed it to him.

VOTE: ironstove
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Post Post #773 (isolation #139) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:46 am

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i don't think scum would say "i've got nothing"
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Post Post #778 (isolation #140) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:42 pm

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In post 777, Dunkerdoodles wrote:fykus or luv please
ucv could be lurking scum
UCV is worth a good look, i agree.
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Post Post #789 (isolation #141) » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:18 am

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prod dodge. exams this week.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #142) » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:56 pm

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one more day.

i'm very satisfied with lynching ironstove today.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #143) » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:17 am

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ironstove wrote:
In post 846, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:one more day.

i'm very satisfied with lynching ironstove today.
to be fair, i think you're probably the person in this game with the lowest IQ by a significant margin based on all of the posts you've made, so I'm not surprised you feel this way.
:lol:

oh the irony...
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Post Post #853 (isolation #144) » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:18 am

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much ad hom, no scumhunting.
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Post Post #896 (isolation #145) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:00 pm

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In post 895, Transcend wrote:My slot is town too but i guess iron didn't have as much beef with it as he did Flubber

:thinking:
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Post Post #897 (isolation #146) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:01 pm

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In post 873, ironstove wrote:So like, awoo and lies are both illiterate or have some selective vision because they keep missing the question on what reason they have for voting me????????? LEGIT CONFUSED.

Here, let me increase the size of my question:

WHY ARE YOU TWO MONKEYS VOTING FOR ME?
i don't respond to ad hom nonsense.
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Post Post #900 (isolation #147) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:02 pm

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In post 885, skitter30 wrote:
In post 884, ironstove wrote:VOTE: LUV
What happened to your 1v1 with Flubber?

More interestingly, why are you now listening to him?
cuz he's scum.
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Post Post #901 (isolation #148) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:04 pm

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In post 898, Transcend wrote:Well I'm not gonna read the game but you'll still get my perspective on the events that happen hereforth
well there isn't much happening so if you're interested in playing the game you might try at least a skim or some ISOs to get an idea of the game state.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #149) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:47 pm

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*sigh*
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Post Post #906 (isolation #150) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:48 pm

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I give up jingle. when 80% of the player list is playing against their wincon what's the point... :(
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Post Post #945 (isolation #151) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:50 am

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with the exception of a few...

WORST PLAYER LIST EVER.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #152) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:59 am

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I'm pretty sure LUV was town but in the interest of moving this along...

VOTE: transcend

that should be L-1.

awoo
please reconsider.

no idea who's scum at this point. would lynch ironstove though for sure. paranoia still says flubber/jingle/ironstove is the team we are looking at.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #153) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:01 am

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i'll try to get back into this game. lynching ironstove would do a lot towards that goal for me.
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Post Post #951 (isolation #154) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:10 am

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right.

whatever. i've made my peace with this shit show. town will lose and it's almost entirely going to be the fault of the inordinate amount of trolls present this game. what can be done? no one wants to listen to me. no one wants to work together with anyone.
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Post Post #954 (isolation #155) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:16 am

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1: Fykus - town
2: ironstove - scum
3: skitter30 - town?
5: Flubbernugget - occam's razor says town
6: Dunkerdoodles - conftown
7: UC Voyager - town?
8: Taiho - null
9: EspeciallyTheLies - conftown
11: Jingle - scum
12: Awoo - no idea. could be scum especially if flubs is town.
13: Transcend
Lil Uzi Vert Not Known 15
- town?
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Post Post #956 (isolation #156) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:16 am

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In post 952, skitter30 wrote:
In post 948, Transcend wrote:Btw I'm the doctor my slot saved etl n1
Are you trolling or being serious?
don't skitter. let's throw out the trash before lylo and do our best tomorrow.
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Post Post #958 (isolation #157) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:18 am

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i would much prefer to lynch ironstove before anyone else.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #158) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:23 am

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i get it. i don't see the case against LYV at all tbh. sucks that luv left only to be replaced by another troll but what can we do? this is mafiascum now i guess. it's a shame.

transcend is just as bad. but i think ironstove is more likely to be scum. plus there's oddly some hesitance to vote him??? why... if not buddies trying to steer the lynch elsewhere?

*sigh* can we do this please?

VOTE: ironstove
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Post Post #965 (isolation #159) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:33 am

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i think that point against LUV is not very strong and doesn't really make sense to me as i followed his train of thought through the flubber discussion. so when compared to the rest of his play, it is kind of a weak case imo.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #160) » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:16 am

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In post 967, Flubbernugget wrote:If we could stop referring to executing incepid amounts of dumbassery as a "playstyle difference" that would be really nice.
seconded. trolling isn't a valid "playstyle". though he's probably referring to LUV which is silly imo.

the fact that i have too many town reads is a signal to me that the scumteam likely consists of people who are playing actively and thus getting townread for it.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #161) » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:47 pm

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i'm cool with either ironstove or commknight today. i'd like to see what commknight has to say about the game.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #162) » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:50 pm

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Fluid and Taiho seriously need to start doing something productive. It's been long enough of them coasting.
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Post Post #997 (isolation #163) » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:51 pm

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Fykus*
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #164) » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:59 pm

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ucv is a longshot scumread for me by PoE only so i would much rather poke the others for sure
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #165) » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:50 pm

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VOTE: commknight
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #166) » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:22 pm

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In post 1004, Fykus wrote:Yeah ive got no idea wtf is happening anymore. Ftr i have been reading the thread skitter. In light of the flip i agree my last post was horrid and i fully support my own lynch. What i thought were pretty solid reads dont make sense to me now.

I think that large normal with boon and eddie and you and luv made me do a 180 of not wanting to scum read luv after i tunnelled him that game when he was town.

I wont vote myself cause thats against my wincon but maybe my wagon can be analysed later on to find scum
or ya know... play the game? contribute to the discussion?
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #167) » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:52 pm

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skitter me n dunker are conftown. jingle is very close to being conftown. ironstove is probably town, and going on my blacklist. ucv is probtown. for me, that leaves fykus, taiho and ck. i agree that it would be nice to keep ck since he doesn't seem to be yet another troll BUT given awoo's play he's very likely to be scum with 50/50 taiho/fykus. am i missing anything else?
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #168) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:39 am

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@CK re post

1) i said nothing about his replace out. is there something you know about it that i don't? is there a reason you feel the need to defend it as NAI?

2) there's a term for your constant referencing about awoo and his posts but i forget what it is. regardless, it's bad.

3) My list has nothing to do with VCA and continually trying to force the VCA issue in place of logic and scumhunting isn't doing you any favors.

4) jingle also mentioned skitter but you only mention dunker and me. just saying.

5) which of taiho/fykus is more likely scum in your opinion if one of them is town?
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #169) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:45 am

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also 6) "mason pair with one town and one scum in it" is objectively bastard and not allowed in a normal. are you seriously trying to pretend that claiming masons as scum in a game where masons actually exist is a viable strategy?? good lord :lol:
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #170) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:47 am

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CK is as good as confscum here and tomorrow/next day we can lynch fykus or taiho one-two for the win.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #171) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:49 am

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11 left after CK with 1 scum 10 town - we've got this so let's just do it.
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #172) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:13 am

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In post 1031, skitter30 wrote:The fact that you keep on talking about the Transcend wagon makes it feel like you're trying to undermine the credibility of the people on the wagon
Bingo. That is EXACTLY what he's doing. The noose is tightening around the remaining buddies and he's trying to switch focus.
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #173) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:13 am

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In post 1032, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1023, Jingle wrote:
In post 972, Jingle wrote:Mass claim tomorrow.

Ironstove -> UCV -> Taiho -> Awoo -> Skitters ->DD -> Flubbs
Order isn’t as important, but this is still necessary.
Can we start with the CK/tai/Fykus group?
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #174) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:14 am

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In post 1031, skitter30 wrote:our two posts in conjunction with Fykus' 979 makes me feel like I'm the designated mislynch
not on my watch.
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #175) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:48 am

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In post 1029, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:11 left after CK with 1 scum 10 town - we've got this so let's just do it.
i lied. the OP alive list is missing numbers for some weird reason. EVEN STILL not lylo for another 2 days if we fuck up these next two lynches which i don't think we will. so ck today. then we still have 3 lynches to get the last.

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Post Post #1037 (isolation #176) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:49 am

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^ we have 9 left total. assuming 3 scum we are at 7/2.
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #177) » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:49 pm

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In post 1042, Dunkerdoodles wrote:can you like play the game instead of worrying about that?
or replace out?
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #178) » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:07 am

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fykus is probably the partner over taiho. that scramblevote was terrible lol
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #179) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:28 am

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Thanks for the game JJ!! It actually turned out quite well, and I'm very pleased with my teammates. I think the setup was well done, though I personally would have traded the traitor for a goon.

A few things I'd like to say...

The setup isn't really town-sided... considering how poorly towns generally function. Town won because there were 4 people who had heavy histories with each other and they
all rolled town
.
HOWEVER
, the trolls and bad play of the scum team contributed to the win significantly. Awoo was doing alright and I think if LUV had stayed it may have delayed the win perhaps another day at least. The replacements hurt the team greatly, in my opinion, and the players who replaced in did nothing to enhance the slots' performances in any way whatsoever.
I think it's in very poor taste to blame the setup when the effort on the part of, primarily, transcend and CommKnight was close to nothing.


Secondly, I don't respond to trolls and I never will. They don't learn when people outright tell them that their behavior is unacceptable, so hopefully they will learn when they get excluded from the things they want to do, like play mafia games on this site at the least.

Last,
Jingle
- thank you so much for making such an effort to keep your head in this game and keep it moving and keep us all motivated. I think it was a HUGE contribution to the town win, for sure. You're awesome, and I'm so glad you were able to play.

Great job, town, I'd be happy to play with (almost) any of you again :]

also... you guys give me too much credit in the mod thread but how flattering! thanks yall
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #180) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:32 am

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Alsoooo... the fact that scum had daychat is like.. a huge advantage, just saying. Masons did not have that, though we didn't really need it cuz dunker was such a good townie - seriously I forgot to thank
DUNKER!!
you were a fabulous mason buddy, and played it
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #181) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:33 am

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In post 1072, Dunkerdoodles wrote:you have my permission to release the mason thread :)
also i love your votecount! very clean and aesthetically pleasing.
this too.

I'd love to see the mafia PT!!
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #182) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:37 am

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In post 1084, skitter30 wrote:There almost for sure weren't a second source of night kills, which is why I called BS on the doc and PGO claims.
Yes, even beyond how scummy the slot was, and the fact that it's not a normal role, this.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #183) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:39 am

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In post 1086, Jingle wrote:
In post 175, ironstove wrote:UC Voyager easy town read. You can mark myself and UC off as town for the rest of this game.
This post was why it took me so long to figure out that ETL was a mason, btw. I thought IS had crumbed and was too busy patting myself on the back for catching it.
The fact that dunker was my "conftown" read on page 3 should have given you some clue lol

I was too afraid you were scum early on to drop any bigger hints than that, and I figured it was better anyway for dunker to lay low like he was doing, and if we could coast into LYLO it would be a slam dunk.
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #184) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:41 am

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In post 1098, jjh927 wrote:I just /ined to mod a bread upick
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Post Post #1129 (isolation #185) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:46 am

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In post 1115, mhsmith0 wrote:Neighborizer and PT enabler are pretty fundamentally lynchable roles.

Neighborizer in particular isn't even slightly clearing, and a paranoid town can/should be VERY concerned about the possibility of a scum neighborizer rolling them (which basically happens every time you get a scum neighborizer lolol)
Yes, agreed, and this is
exactly
what happened here lol.. Paranoid town took TIAM's claim and stuffed him in a noose.
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #186) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:48 am

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In post 1117, mhsmith0 wrote:3) A generically non-clearing role (neighborizer) who in practice will super nerf the insane cop since he'll be EVEN MORE likely to get a guilty that isn't really one, AND you get the realistic chance that scum will be guiltied while in a hood and therefore have a great excuse
And if the neighborizer'd had a chance to grab a neighbor, PT cop false guilties on 4 town, vs 2 scum, since traitor had no access to the PT, which is very negative utility and actually balances the town's power against the mafia traitor being so segregated.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #187) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:50 am

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In post 1121, mhsmith0 wrote:And scum neighbors and neighborizers just crush these games, so town SHOULD be very wary of a neighborizer most of the time.
I don't think I've played a single game with neighbors where at least one of them wasn't scum.
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #188) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:54 am

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In post 478, jjh927 wrote:TwoInAMillion LYNCH
taiho
, Wickedestjr, Dunkerdoodles, skitter30, Flubbernugget, ironstove,
Awoo
My guess in the mason PT about the first lynch was two on, one off. so cool to see some mafia theory working. if only i'd had the right two people :lol:
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Post Post #1134 (isolation #189) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:24 am

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In post 1133, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1131, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1121, mhsmith0 wrote:And scum neighbors and neighborizers just crush these games, so town SHOULD be very wary of a neighborizer most of the time.
I don't think I've played a single game with neighbors where at least one of them wasn't scum.
It happens with reasonable frequency. Especially when you have more like a 2-man hood.

And of course if you have a town neighborizer, then it depends who they target :P
Yeah for sure. The games I've been in have just been lucky I guess :lol:
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #190) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:51 pm

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In post 1143, jjh927 wrote:Jfc this perspective is only clear to me now that you've pointed it out.

While your brain was saying "Please nightkill me I want to die" your mouth was saying "Don't nightkill me because I'm the traitor"
:lol:

skitter - my push on two was legit bad. but it was all i had to go on at the time. to go from apathetic, "we've already lost" to one-two over is fantastic and i think a lot of it had to do with strong town players correctly reading each other. it's great to see that happen as so often wins happen due to role interactions which is less satisfying imo, for both sides. i think you were great and you were especially good at trying to communicate your thoughts which i really liked. i think you could be really strong if you keep it up :]
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #191) » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:02 am

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In post 1028, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:CK is as good as confscum here and tomorrow/next day we can lynch fykus or taiho one-two for the win.
all of that is moot because of this. even if taiho had become a full mafia, she was
going
to get lynched before town lost. and that decision had NOTHING to do with PRs at all and everything to do with good town being good at reading other townies.

there's nothing worse than a sore loser. losses happen. you can only blame yourself and your teammates when it happens if you absolutely need to blame someone.

and sometimes...
the other team was just plain better than yours and you have to either be mature enough to recognize it and congratulate them or move tf on.
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #192) » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:04 am

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In post 1152, Jingle wrote:Saying it was because the game was imbalanced though is insulting to the people who played the game, the mod, AND the reviewers.
THIS. it's rude and childish.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #193) » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:08 am

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like... why didn't the mafia team hunt for the obvious masons? i dunno. but it didn't happen. why didn't they block flubber - the only one at the time with a confirmable town role? no idea. but they didn't and they should have. why did awoo hammer like that when he could have let LUV do it without suspicion? again, no idea.

these are just a few of the several missteps that led to the loss in conjunction with a strong set of town players. none of that had anything to do with the setup and everything to do with weak mafia decisions.

that's how you learn though. recognize what went wrong and do better next time.
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