Large Normal 207: Theatre Mafia

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles, but definitely not because I want to be opportunistic and get a fast lynch on him.

[UnaBombaH]

Everyone who has posted on page 3 is town

Easy enough

I better stamp my one-way ticket to townie-land then?

[UnaBombaH]

Sorry that train has sailed

VOTE: Wavemode for false advertising.

[UnaBombaH]

I think I'm going to fall off unless I get to do some serious reading tonight!

I think we COULD just lynch Boon D1 and scum won't have to NK him..?

I assume you agree Boon?

[UnaBombaH]

Yeah, Una just posted the scummiest thing in the world. Why are you staying scum wouldn’t have to night kill?

Oh god you guys..

I meant that if we would lynch Boon D1, then scum wouldn't have to NK him N1.
Not funny?
No?

[UnaBombaH]

I’m going to take it as a compliment to my town game being dangerous to scum later in game. But you’re on thin ice.

That is EXACTLY what it was supposed to be.
And "oooo, I'm scared..! "

[UnaBombaH]

So maybe there is no scum Mulch?
Wanna lynch Boon just for funsies before we ask for the mod to end the game in a town-win?

[UnaBombaH]

Una’s going to have to step up his hame if he wants to sweep us.

Also, his game.

Also I'm lame.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't know, I'm still waiting for my first true scumroll.
And I wouldn't have to try and lynch guys like you Boon, I could just kill you!

And after all, you have all seen me at my best: it isn't much.

[UnaBombaH]

I feel so bad, but Una’s actually scum.

Still not.

But I'm starting to think you are..

[UnaBombaH]

So I read the game thusfar, there isn't much that I could analyze yet.

I've been trying a new D1-strat where I act scummier than normal and try to draw focus to myself to open conversation faster, but it hasn't worked out for me so I'm not going there this time.

So I'll just wait and hope to see D3 where I can actually try and gamesolve?

[UnaBombaH]

Boon let's not focus on semantics. Also I would feel so bad lynching unah cause they are so fun to play with

You really think I'm fun to play with??

[UnaBombaH]

Yes, most scum think they should scum read me at this point.

My best scumreads are the ones I can't explain, and those are rarely the type I (or anyone else for that matter) "should" have..
Maybe it's just that you reacted rather stiffly to my silly joke about lynching you D1..?

[UnaBombaH]

The times I have been scum, you hard town read me early, then the paranoia crept on you.

You also escaped my attention in that Normal because my paranoia was >90% directed towards rb/Eddie..

[UnaBombaH]

I'm confused by the early claim. And Boon, why are you calling Una scum and yet voting for Meow?

My meta-read on him is that he also likes to drop all momentum towards him before it even starts to mount up properly.
When talking about him, I'd say it's completely NAI, because I doubt he would even be afraid to fake-claim to make it through to D2/D3.
And when he is town, he can definitely solve the game there (at least something like 2/3 consistently), so maybe it is for the team even if it might sometimes mess other peoples plays..

Just my take on him after playing in 3+ games together and reading even more from him.

[UnaBombaH]

Kitty is probably town.

Texcat?
For poking their head in?

[UnaBombaH]

Boon's capable of fakeclaiming as scum. And as Ive pointed out, he could be scum

and

a weak investigator.

Oh, most certainly agreed.

[UnaBombaH]

Kitty is probably town.

Texcat?
For poking their head in?

Yep.

Can actually agree on this.
Would be easy for scum to just watch and jump in when there is a chance to push an agenda...
Now that pisskop-post on the other hand..?

[UnaBombaH]

Don't like this 153 strategy at all but he is insisting that he is not using it now. So why did he bring it up?
I think Una could be evil.

I'm aware of my biggest weaknesses in my D1 play.
For players who like to dwell in their world of meta (I sometimes fall under that criteria myself), it's better that I analyze my own way of playing.
That means that meta-researching might not be worth it, because I could manipulate my play as scum.

So what I said there is completely NAI, but I thought it would be better to bring it forth myself.

I think Not Known 15 using the word "evil" always makes me think he is posing..

[UnaBombaH]

scum lurking their way through as per usual. Look at this page. everyone on it, apart from maybe Tex, is town.

This is something scum would say themselves, just pointing out for future notice!

[UnaBombaH]

Una, so you brought it up so that people wouldent waste time meta reading you?

I would say so, yes.
At least mainly that, maybe with a hint of "I wonder if anyone attacks this?"

[UnaBombaH]

This is something scum would say themselves, just pointing out for future notice!

This is something scum would say themselves, just pointing out for future notice!

As much as this might be true, it gets less true every time someone continues the chain..

Do you disagree with my post?

[UnaBombaH]

Don't have energy to make long posts today, this was the 11th day I've been working more or less in a row.
This sunday I'll try to pick my slack up.

What I can say based on these last few pages even with a very quick read?

Fykus or Raskolnikov (harashoo!) is scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Whoo, finally able to post tonight!
Will still be busy the following days, but try to more or less keep up from now on.

Something I noticed while re-reading: Dunker + XnadrojX felt like an obvious pairing until:

I think Una and Dunker are scum, their posts seem to be less "hey look, there's scum" and more "Hey [insert player here], I think you're right"

VOTE: Dunker

Making a more thorough post when I actually get to analysing the important things. If anyone can tell me where the main highlights are please tell me because when I said skimming I literally meants glossing over anything remotely insignificant.

I was going write off pairing them, but...BUT. Less than 24 hours later:

VOTE: mulch
choo choo

..and less than 6 hours apart:

This just points a giant middle finger to everyone reading you as scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mulch


Also, I wasn't really looking at the wagons, I was just skimming and I thought Dunker looked worse than Una.

Backpedaling on his vote, hiding his "poor read" behind "just skimmed", and satisfied with his part of distancing?

actually on second thought i think xan is town, scum doesnt post that.

..but doesn't unvote or move his vote over.

My biggest issue with this is the fact that it feels SO obvious, but maybe that was the aim all along?

VOTE: XnadrojX

[UnaBombaH]

Actually: NOT SURE OF THE VOTECOUNT, CAN WE GET ONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? (ty )

[UnaBombaH]

I can see this. Uh, but he also has fooled me in the past so *shrug*

When?
I haven't really rolled scum on this site yet..

Being Traitor doesn't count, and you know how good I am at that.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't think we can just day1 una
If he's scum we could prob find out better later...

I mean, you CAN.
It has been proven time and time again, I am easy to lynch as town..
But yea, you SHOULDN'T.

[UnaBombaH]

I wanted to VOTE: massive too, but they townread me so I cant..

Busy times at work again..

[UnaBombaH]

viewtopic.php?p=9586978#p9586978

"absolutely unreadable" hm?

Should I be proud of this btw?

[UnaBombaH]

To anyone who didn't realize/know: that linked post was my entrance to the game where Mace and Acid were scum, and I called their interaction out, but couldn't convince others to vote with me..
NotKnown15 replaced into the Mace-slot that game, so he was one of the winning scum with Acid.

[UnaBombaH]

With deadline so close, Im sorry for being inactive..has been crazy at work.

I"ll read before deadline and decide my stance before night (unless someone hammers).

[UnaBombaH]

Result.

I would LOVE to speculate why we are doing this, but I assume it wouldn't be good..

I mean, I think I know why, but I think it can't work yet.
We get 100% results anyway?

[UnaBombaH]

Want to guess why we are doing this, or are we still waiting for the rest of the claims?

I'd say I have a good guess.

[UnaBombaH]

I’m an Ascetic watcher

Pretty much had to be tracker/watcher -scenario..
The problem with this "claiming" was that there was no reason to say "no result" for scum.
Especially now that you have outed your role, they know that by saying result, they can soft an investigative and force it to a 50/50 anyway..
Loved the mystique though!

[UnaBombaH]

So..are we still waiting for a claim, or for Boon to come clean?

[UnaBombaH]

[META]

Then let's discuss flipping moz?

All in favor say VOTE: mozamis

All opposed, please claim scum now and save us some time

While catching these last few pages up, this is something that pinged me hard.
I think I have been in the same game with wavemode for something like 2 or 3 times (too lazy to make sure) now, and I have noticed a change in confidence in his posting.

I AM NOT SAYING IT IS NECESSARILY AI

, but it could mean something.
He HAS been town in all the previous games I have seen him in.
Just putting this out there for future reads.

Whats ascetic do? Also ill post some more after work, i apologise for being so inactive

Oh, no need to apologize

Your eventual lynch will be swift and painless

This was another post that pinged me.

[/META]

[UnaBombaH]

lol.....

Hi vig xD


I was pretty sure it was you after you shot James, everyone else shoots me pretty sure. Lol

This feels bad...
I'm not sure what town!mulch could hope to achieve with this.

[UnaBombaH]

Boon: you are not shaking on your townread on Mulch? At all for now?

To flip it around @mulch: is there a scenario where scum!Boon gambits with a claim here?

(no need for anyone else to harp on this, this question is tailored for Mulch specifically)

Thank you - I'm off to my first day-off in two weeks!

[UnaBombaH]

Hi, everyone! I am replacing Pisskop. If you haven't already lynched (which you might have!), I would love the opportunity to give a read and make a case.

Nice, welcome!

I think you have an uphill battle, but your input is needed to move the game forward. (as well as me being more active as my workload is finally maybe lightening)

[UnaBombaH]

And a hasty move by Raskolnikov - Claims a role that shouldn't be legal in this game!
What does he do next?
Find out, when we return to this game.
Same Bat-thread, same Bat-*time redacted*, next gameday!

( VOTE: Raskolnikov)

[UnaBombaH]

@Wavemode - that was my other candidate for a reaction!

[UnaBombaH]

I do not understand what is so complicated about this...it's probably just something my newbie-brain can't handle.

* We had three kills last night, two on the first one.

* 1/2 of the deaths first night was scum, so we are sure to have a Vig/SK or two scum-factions..right?
(small possibility for a blocked kill that would've been a third, but I think not N1)

* 1/3 of the deaths last night was weak, so it is quite likely that Boon "killed himself" by targeting an opposing faction..right?
(seems like too much of a coincidence to have a weak-modifier die as a third NK..at least to me)

* And then these:

Rask, rask, aloof and true, he’s so true, he’s number 2.

+

BoonSkiies died last night!

=

Boonskiies results implies he targeted me last night and therefore mulch is scum.

EVEN IF BOON WAS NK'D, his death still implicates Rask.

So of course Rask had noted that post by Boon previously, and was thinking about how to react to it when the time came.
Mulch is almost (and I do mean ALMOST) conf.town, and Rask is "guiltied" by that quote from Boon.
If we don't follow it now, we are not using his crumbs and possibly end up lynching the one confirmed townie he left behind.
OF COURSE SCUM WOULD TRY TO GAMBIT THIS.

So we lynch Rask today even if only to remove the WIFOM, and we move on from there.
Mulch is likely to die tonight, so please give all you can before the lynch!

[UnaBombaH]

thanks Boon for getting yourself killed - all your gambit did was lose town a PR. Idiot.

No.

the mods in this game are having...problems.

Yes.

Boon was killed so he didn't do anything last night. (Him being killed would take precedence over his NK action).

..no?

Rask can't be scum, there is no way in the world he would do this is as scum.

No!

ANYWAY P.O.E IS NOW MOZ, RASK, WAVE TOWN.

No.

[UnaBombaH]

My gut response is that I'm inclined to believe Rask - no one was really suspecting him, why the fuck would he do that as scum. ( As i said about Boon).

Rask did it because the blame was surely coming their way at some point.

(If not today by someone else, then tomorrow by me: I was going to read Boons ISO tomorrow for clues on potential targets. With a weak-modifier he was sure to give us crumbs because he might abruptly die, and there I would've found this rhyme he did, and would've sure as hell latched onto it.)

Whether Boon was NK'd or died because he was weak doesn't matter - Rask was expecting to be investigated last night and might have acted upon it anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

If I were to assume town!Rask, then this would be such a weird reaction (opposite to so many others'), that I would interpret it as scum!Moz knowing their alignment.
For assuming now I'm assuming scum!Rask though, and that makes me think this is town!Moz for taking their side so eagerly.

Everyone outside of Moz and Rask: do you believe scum!Moz would outright go for scum!Rasks defense like this?

[UnaBombaH]

I feel like I just said all of this but in less words

But moz will not accept it

I have a bad habit of writing long..

[UnaBombaH]

No wait, I got it now.
Rask = Traitor

They can't kill Boon before the investigation, but Boon would still die because he is weak.

[UnaBombaH]

The 3 deaths mean that Boon targeted scum. Who do you think he targeted? It looks to me like the posts I quoted point to Moz.

Possible too, but I dislike Boon giving us clear steps for in case he dies, and then just changing that.

I'm a bit disappointed in him if he did.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: Rask

sorry guys i have been a complete dick.
but i couldn't sleep and was thinking about it, and realised i am overcomplicating it.
BOON SAID HE WAS GOING TO "INVESTIGATE" RASK. BOON DIED.RASK IS CONF SCUM.

sorry got sidetracke d by the Nk's.
(and scum obviously didnt kill Boon outright beacuse they were worreid about Boon being bulletproof or being protected whatever).

so yeah, Rask is scum.

Glad to see this..

..scum..

[UnaBombaH]

Yes, always yes on town flips.
But after you flip red I'll still read you v Moz.

[UnaBombaH]

Now, as for town, be a good sport and try not to abuse too much the fact that thread will probably stay unlocked for who knows how long after hammer, hmm?

You wish!

Also your daily reminder that there's only 11 alive not 12. PK was replaced by loudmouthlee and then lynched and hammer should've technically been at 6 votes today not 7 as a result

Nah, in all honesty, at least Rask is being a good sport here.

Hope to see you as town in future games!

[UnaBombaH]

Catch-up and a post coming today.
I'll dig deep with Rask.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm completely shook that James was scum. So much for being more trusting that those attack me can be wrong town and not immediately OMGUSing...

WHY. WHY THE ONE TIME IT WAS SCUM DO I PLAY nice and try to convince him I'm wrong. FFs

Mulch, what were your later kills at night?
James was the first one, but which have been the later ones?

[UnaBombaH]

Acid is sort of surely not scum.

[UnaBombaH]

UNVOTE:

So Mulch is cleared and most people are coming around to a Fykus vote atm. Fair enough. However, we need to at least take a poll first. Assuming there is one scum left and it's Fykus, we win after this. But assuming the (imo) more likely case there's two,

who is everyone feeling are the last two?

Can we get a discussion going on this? As for me, if I had to guess I'd say Fykus and acid.

We might also consider a massclaim if everyone agrees.

My thoughts on this? 'Murica-Jesus beat me to it:

ewwwwww

vote:wavemode

and

Your post was LAMIST. The appeal to majority is super scummy.

..are my thoughts exactly.

So I dug my own ISO, and how I have felt about his slot during this game before (honestly, the long nights have muddied my reads a lot), and this is what I found:

[META]

Then let's discuss flipping moz?

All in favor say VOTE: mozamis

All opposed, please claim scum now and save us some time

While catching these last few pages up, this is something that pinged me hard.
I think I have been in the same game with wavemode for something like 2 or 3 times (too lazy to make sure) now, and I have noticed a change in confidence in his posting.

I AM NOT SAYING IT IS NECESSARILY AI

, but it could mean something.
He HAS been town in all the previous games I have seen him in.
Just putting this out there for future reads.

Whats ascetic do? Also ill post some more after work, i apologise for being so inactive

Oh, no need to apologize

Your eventual lynch will be swift and painless

This was another post that pinged me.

[/META]

VOTE: wavemode, and I feel good about this.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, just a chill little question here...WHO REPLACED PISSKOP?!?!?!?

Thanks.

[UnaBombaH]

So Mulch..want to tell me which NKs have been yours?

I find it more scummy if you take time answering you know..!

[UnaBombaH]

Mulch is conftown

Let the man speak, please.

[UnaBombaH]

@Fykus

Claim vigilante or not vigilante

That's it

And then..?

Not vig

And then?

Also, just a chill little question here...WHO REPLACED PISSKOP?!?!?!?

And then??

Mulch, what were your later kills at night?
James was the first one, but which have been the later ones?

AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??AND THEN??

[UnaBombaH]

Una are you high

It was a shitty movie reference.
Also I'm getting annoyed because I'm getting ignored - I honestly think there's value in my questions, if only they'd be answered.

[UnaBombaH]

Mulch, regardless of alignment, isn't going to jokingly or not tell you who he killed. Its a kinda dumb thing for you to ramp on.

He said he isn't the vig, and I bet he wouldn't admit to being the SK either.

I just wanted to make sure he isn't going to claim vig later.

[UnaBombaH]

This is exactly why I asked if people want to massclaim

It reduces the scumteam's late game options

..and I agree with you on that.
Even though Mulch is almost surely town (based on Boons "result"), I think we might want the claims just to eliminate the off-chance of an SK.

[UnaBombaH]

Boon - Result
Assemble - Result
Acid - Result
Mulch - Result
Wave - Result
Not Known - Result
Fykus - Result
Moz - Result
Texcat - Result
Unabombah - Result
massive - Result

..combined with..

Pisskop, Carca, rask, and Kami slots waiting on now.

Pisskop never gave his answer to this, was replaced and lynched, was town.
Carca said she got a "no result", was replaced by Nero Cain, we never got an explanation.
Rask was one of the last ones to claim a "result", was lynched later, flipped scum.
Kamina never said anything to anything (6 posts in game ), asked to be replaced in post #797...and died..LAST NIGHT?? Also was town.

So at least Nero could speak his mind, even if we don't do a massclaim?

[UnaBombaH]

Also to point out why I'm working this angle: I have a bad feeling we are playing with an SK, rather than a vig.

I also have two separate reads on two slots: one would fit my reads as a Vig, one as an SK.

[UnaBombaH]

why's kamina dead if it's an sk

Scum thought he was just floating along?

If you think kamina was obv. vigged, then why would scum have killed Moz?
Moz would've been my #1 push for today after how awkwardly he waffled around the Rask lynch, but maybe he was obv.townie for others..?

[UnaBombaH]

Are you familiar with what "Boon made us do" D2?

By this point, almost everyone had claimed "result" or "no result", and few posts later Carca claimed "no result".
This would mean A) you are definitely not the vig, since we had two deaths N1 (so I'm not afraid to ask), and B) your slot claimed a PR there, as VT's were supposed to claim "result".

So you think Carca missed that part of it, or you want to claim now?

[UnaBombaH]

Thank you Wave!

I didn't want to shout out who I thought was the vig, I wanted them to claim of their own free will if need be.
There is only one person who can counterclaim you and I could believe it, let's see what we get.

Get the ball rolling Nero, and don't forget to popcorn.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm never going to get my moment of "GOTCHA!" if nobody plays along..

[UnaBombaH]

Well..this has been..interesting..

I want to hear where mulch would direct the shot.

I have an idea myself that would clear the situation for me, but might be unnecessary if everyone else claims (apparently nero won't).
I'm sort of pissed that he refuses to do it since Carca softed a powerrole already - I'd say its better for town to either deny it completely or confirm it, but maybe I'm wrong.

[UnaBombaH]

tbf your initial reason for voting me was garbage in the first place

I think there was enough reason to vote you at the start of the day, but at this time no.
Which reminds me: UNVOTE:

@nero I don't think we ever lynch wavemode today? I freely admit to being a n00b and won't lower myself to arguing about it if we simply can't agree here, but...why would we lynch a claimed vig today?
I for one am willing to think he is an SK rather than a vig, but we can discuss that later.
If he shoots what we want, we should be able to delay lynching him.
And no matter how he has the NK - he is a threat to Mafia as well.

[UnaBombaH]

lets get acid or fykus then

Sure, but I want to see what they claim first.
One of them has role, or a "role" - I'm 99% sure of it.

[UnaBombaH]

I guess I need to ask why una thinks Acid it town.

My previous read was that Acid is either SK or the vig.
Now that wave has claimed Vig and acid VT, I have no reason to hold on to that.
I do not explicitly townread acid, I just felt certain my hunch on their role was accurate.
Apparently it wasn't.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm sad this game got so stalled, I think this could've been an interesting one..
We should discuss who Wave vigs tonight, and how we win from here.

If we have two solid scumreads we lynch one and shoot the other.
I don't currently think Nero is necessarily scum, but we need to finish the claiming.

[UnaBombaH]

Fykus should come here, claim, and then whatever

[UnaBombaH]

Babysteps guys...babysteps..

[UnaBombaH]

VT.

Mulchie mulch mulch?

[UnaBombaH]

a whole lotta good this has done us.

Well, if nothing else, it has made me townlean you more.

We also now have a few slots that can't try any claim-shenanigans if pressured.
No need to be pessimist about it - let's try and solve it.

[UnaBombaH]

No fight left in me for this game T_T nero is probtown just at face value, and the abundance of VT claims says his soft is believable

VOTE: texcat and I will shoot Fykus

If neither of these is correct last 2 are within una/acid/massive/nero, in order of most to least likely

I agree with your plan, but disagree with the order in the end.
Maybe we can discuss this tomorrow?
VOTE: texcat

[UnaBombaH]

L-1 on texcat BTW ^^

[UnaBombaH]

At least wave got one with him!
I'll solve this tomorrow..probably one mislynch still "affordable" for us, hmm?

Nero needs to full claim now or we can't take him to LyLo..or anyone disagrees?

[UnaBombaH]

or actually, I should not full claim and if mafia thinks you guys are going to lynch me then they won't shoot me.

but I should prob claim my results anyways in case I do get shot.

Yea, I'm starting to really feel sketchy about this..

Nero, I can understand your distaste for the well-planned and organized massclaim yesterday, especially since it apparently achieved us nothing.
What I don't like is that we are closing LyLo and you have a softed PR with no results claimed.

I assume you understand what this means?
I for one would hate the idea of having a claimed PR in LyLo, especially one who's role we can't confirm..

[UnaBombaH]

counter argument: We can't confirm you either so we should lynch you right?

This makes no sense..

I'm Vanilla and have no night actions to claim which could help us move the game forward.
You claim to have a role, but refuse to say what it is or what you have done during nights.
This kind of stubborness can't be beneficial to town at this point of the game.
Only reasons I can think of why you wouldn't want to claim are because you are an investigative with only useless results (targets dead?), or you are thinking of a fakeclaim.

If you are something like an Innocent Child, hard/soft claiming should make no difference since scum would kill you tonight anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

Am I wrong, or do we have like no danger in just lynching Nero->Mulch(if necessary) and win?
Or is it at all possible to have had 4 scum in this game?
Like Traitor!Nero and Goon!Mulch?

We lynch Nero, and if he flips town!VanillaCop (or whatever), we lynch Mulch?
If he flips Traitor, we need to evaluate whether Mulch and Nero have been distancing, or Nero is just trying to gambit.

I have no trouble believing we have a third not-Vanilla -scum in this game, if we are only facing three of them.
But if there is a fourth scum, traitor or not, then there should definitely be a goon to flip.

Thoughts from acid/massive?

[UnaBombaH]

Why is there traitor talk? at all?

Because I dislike the idea of Mafia having four full members
Guess it's a possibility(?), but I feel like you and Mulch sort of made this into a 1v1, and I can't see a reason why.
Like..if you fakeclaimed his slot as not vanilla, why?
Of course he will call you out on it, and we get a 1v1, if he is indeed VT. If he is a goon, this reaction from him made sense..sort of..because he could've left himself a shot at fakeclaiming earlier when he simply didn't claim and voted for texcat.

If you didn't fakeclaim, and he is indeed not Vanilla, then WHY deny it from his PoV??
He could've claimed WHATEVER as EITHER alignment, and we would've had no reason to suspect anything from either of you.

So the only reason I can see why either of you would do what you did, was because you are both scum, and tried to do this for distancing purposes.
My vision is that you might be uninformed as to what his role actually is, but you know he is scum = traitor.
I don't think it's too far fetched to think that.

SERIOUSLY, MASSIVE AND ACID - READ THIS BEFORE VOTING ANYONE AND LET'S DISCUSS.

If I remember correctly, massive will not be online during weekends, so I'll have to wait for his input 'till monday..

Acid, wanna talk?

[UnaBombaH]

how come you've only started talking about a traitor today?

Because you sort of made me think about the possibility with these claim-shenanigans.

I'm assuming you didn't want to claim before mulch, because you thought he might claim VT?
Why do you think scum!mulch with power would've claimed VT, when he could've just claimed his role as a town-variant?

In plain terms: why on earth were you stalling your claim?

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and if you were wondering it from this perspective: I thought for sure that there were only 3 scum in this game until today, but I guess that would've been optimistic.

[UnaBombaH]

No wait, silly me!

There have already been three scumflips, the 1st post just hasn't been updated!
So it would be between four full-members (with fykus flipping goon, not sure how likely another scum-PR is then), and 4 full members + traitor..yea, maybe not likely?

But it changes nothing - I think we obviously lynch you and mulch from here and win the game.

[UnaBombaH]

una, what makes you disbelieve my claim?

Nothing in particular makes me question YOUR claim, but everything in general about this "1v1" makes me disbelieve the logic behind both of your plays.

One (or both) of you made a very very sketchy call here, and I think both of you should be hung for it..that is if we don't win with one lynch.

[UnaBombaH]

Ugh, one more time:

IF I WERE TO ASSUME TOWN!MULCH - we lynch you for a faked "~guilty".
If you flip town, we lynch Mulch.
If you flip scum and the game isn't over, we think about things. Maybe. Dislike the thought, but I'd say Mulch is still the likeliest because otherwise this play from either of you makes no sense to me.

IF I WERE TO ASSUME SCUM!MULCH - why didn't he "confirm" his PR? Why would he need to force this disparity as scum?
He should be happy to say "yes, I am a town watcher - haven't seen shit" or something as non-factor. TownCommuter: "haven't been around much" - WHATEVER.
So for scum!mulch to force this "1v1" between the two of you makes no sense unless you are both scum and he is trying to distance from you. (hence the speculation about a traitor)
We'd lynch mulch, and if he flips town, we lynch you tomorrow. (If lynching mulch would win us the game today, we will win the game with his lynch tomorrow too.)
That is why it makes very little sense to me for scum!mulch not to claim power.

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IF I WERE TO ASSUME TOWN!NERO - I would have to assume scum!mulch, and I think that is the least likely solution. (see above)
Not saying it's not possible, but I think scum!mulch could've (and therefore would've) definitely claimed a town PR.

Making this the least likely scenario to me, for now.

IF I WERE TO ASSUME SCUM!NERO - we lynch you for your faked "~guilty".
If the game doesn't end there, we think about things. Maybe.

So all in all: I'm willing to lynch either of you, but for now lean towards lynching you.

[UnaBombaH]

I think I'm not explaining my thoughts very well, but I'm fairly certain there's logic in my thoughts..

[UnaBombaH]

vote: una

I am

NOT

a vanilla cop. I just wanted Mulch to claim and the only way Mulch would claim is if I faked a result on him. I am a

tracker

though and Una went nowhere last night and Mulch went nowhere the night before. I found it a little odd that Ras and his team would sacrifice themselves for a vt. Was it all just to sow paranoia?

I think Una's traitor talk is scum that knows that I'm town. I'm not seeing it as a town thought process. Like, my fake result and Mulch's claim not lining up is a really simple thing. Either I caught him or I'm scum that's lying. The traitor thing is tinfoily and complex.

@ the same time though Una

NOT

going anywhere last night almost makes me think town. For Una to be scum and not action last night it means that Fykus did the killing. But Fykus knew he was going to die so him doing the killing would be a pretty smart move.

I have no interest in believing your claims anymore..and as to how you decided to scumread me for analyzing your contradicting claims..
I am scummy for trying to find logic in your claim and interaction with mulch?
I very much said that the interaction made no sense with you being town, and humored the idea of you being a traitor, because it would fit with you "offering" mulch a PR-shield, and him not accepting it.

While true that I haven't moved last night (or any night for that matter), your first claim feels like a hasty mistake, and this is an attempt to try and correct it.

(You should've also waited for reactions from acid and massive before retracting that claim)

[UnaBombaH]

Either I caught him or I'm scum that's lying.

Like said before, it wasn't this simple.
You "catching him" wasn't true - if he was scum, he had no reason not to "accept" being a PR. You didn't catch him in any parallel universe where you were a vanilla cop.

You being scum that's lying was given, but you gambiting today for a mislynch made no sense, so I had to assume there's still two scum left. Traitor or no traitor.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Nero

[UnaBombaH]

I have no interest in believing your claims anymore..and as to how you decided to scumread me for analyzing your contradicting claims.

this is so dumb.

Man, I wouldn't even feel bad if you were to somehow flip town at this point. Your play last day was already wonky for a townie (wanted to lynch our vig, hmm?) and now this whole fake claim thing..

[UnaBombaH]

Why on earth would a last scum Nero ever attempt to fakeclaim in a not lylo situation? Like it makes no fucking sense what-so-ever as all it does is get me lynched. lol

Indeed.
Same with mulch though - your claim sort of cleared him for me.
He had no reason to deny a PR as scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Ugh..if I take a breather and return to this Monday when massive and acid miht actually be around.

[UnaBombaH]

UNVOTE:

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: unabombah

We might still lose this it seems..

[UnaBombaH]

Your fakeclaim sort of took priority for a moment..

I think I need to read a little more before making any decisions, but even now after a poor sleep and a huge hangover everything seems nore simple.

I'll write when I get on comp later today.

[UnaBombaH]

I

think

I want to follow the una/acid to a town win.

You know, if I'd feel confident enough that we will win after mislynching me, I wouldn't even object.
But I have serious doubt about this whole situation now..

If mulch decides we can trust your Tracking-result tomorrow, it doesn't matter who we lynch today, because either you get a confirm on which of massive/acid moved, or mulch makes it to LyLo as a confirmed townie.
But then again, if I feel like I can trust you, this game is won with acid-massive -lynches anyway.

I dislike acids naked vote on me - feels like a lazy attempt from scum.

I'll read this whole gameday again, and then try to find associations from Fykus' ISO.

[UnaBombaH]

Nero——-> massive


Wins the game

I might just decide to trust your judgement here.
I was going to say massive->nero, because Nero would either have to fakeclaim a guilty on me tomorrow, or actually track and lock scum on acid..

Taking away massive today would mean that scum has to kill either you or nero, and if it's you, nero gets a track..

Would be interesting.

[UnaBombaH]

We want to know why traitor talk started all of a sudden? It's a way to try and explain how Mulch could have been weak-checked N1 and still be scum (even though I don't think it works like that).

I started the "traitor"-talk, because I miscounted how many scum had already flipped, and the whole nero-mulch 1v1 didn't feel like it made sense as SvT either.
I thought the setup could be 13 - 4(+1 traitor), but not 13 - 5 ("full-powered members").
Obviously this could (and probably is) just be 14 - 4, but what triggered all of it, was because neros claim made no sense. Like no matter how poorly I explained it, it made no sense.
So I started to think about scenarios where mulch might not be a conf.town, but they all returned to the point of nero being scum.
Now he has retracted that vanilla cop claim, but the fact remains, that his first claim was so wonky, that I think it affected my read on him for good.

[UnaBombaH]

The weird thing is that nero sort of almost "cleared himself" with a claim so bad, because my initial reaction (and the reason for all my previous ramblings ) was that he can't be scum with a fakeclaim so bad.
How easy would it be if we could just trust his claim and autowin with massive->acid..

[UnaBombaH]

Nero started playing. I love it.

So it seems I'm going to have to be responsible for pushing us over the finish line.
Lynching massive/acid wins the game (and I need to make mulch trust nero), or lynching massive/nero wins the game (and I need to make acid trust me)

Considering acid is voting me for no apparent reason, the latter will be a harder scenario..
But massive is the common nominator, so I think we go there today and hope for the best

[UnaBombaH]

If mulch decides we can trust your Tracking-result tomorrow

I might just decide to trust your judgement here.

and these make me feel like he's buddying Mulch.

He is the conf.town. Anything he says can be taken at face value. He might be wrong, sure, but at least I don't have to guess his agendas.

[UnaBombaH]

Why trust his reads over the guy that killed 2 scum(wave)?

OK, guess I'll listen to what wavemode said last gameday.

I don't think you're scum Nero,

I think you're more likely derpy town who needs to die regardless

, since you *could* be scum who is counting on roleblocker protection. At this point it doesn't matter either way as you are forcing my hand. We are absolutely not taking you into potential lylo with you acting like this, I won't allow it

VOTE: Nero Cain

[UnaBombaH]

prob b/c no one knows what your reads are. :/

This is actually true.
Hence why I would probably want to lynch in acid/massive today if I'm being completely open and honest.

[UnaBombaH]

that's a pretty immature reaction to a quiestion.

UNVOTE:

[UnaBombaH]

So I guess we all sort of agree it's between me, massive and acid.
Nero dies tonight then (scum obviously can't let you track the NK), so we have mulch holding the hammer tomorrow, and two of "us" left.

What we have here is a situation where it's "clear" from my POV once we lynch one of acid/massive that the remaining one is scum (if the game continues).
Exactly the same situation from acid/massive town!PoV, and the scum will mimic this.

So what I suggest is that mulch makes the call for who we lynch today amongst the three of us, and the rest pile on that.
I for one don't think there's much reason to stall this day any longer - and to me it could be either of them.
Leave the casing to LyLo if we go there.

@Mulch, who we lynch from acid/massive/me today?

[UnaBombaH]

It's finnish independence day (100 years!!), so I'll be off until tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: massive

L-1

[UnaBombaH]

Una is also L-1.

I feel like this is scum!massive wanting to offer another L-1 for acid to hammer.

[UnaBombaH]

Una is also L-1.

I feel like this is scum!massive wanting to offer another L-1 for acid to hammer.

Yeah, and if I hadn't, you probably would have said how I was being disingenuous about putting you at L-1 without announcing it. Can't win there.

You really can't..

[UnaBombaH]

Massive is coming across rather towny atm..

I do not know what to say anymore, but someone needs to hammer so that we can move forward.

[UnaBombaH]

it wasn't an impossibility that scum roleblocks Boon n1 and thus there wasn't an inno on Mulch.

Well, to be fair, it isn't

IMPOSSIBLE

.
But I'd say this would be the type of coincidence you just lose to, and accept it.

[UnaBombaH]

oh! the temptation to hammer una is strong. h/o, I need to metadive acid to see if this do nothing playstyle is AI or what.

Hey Nero, trust me this once.
If you are really scum, you have a better chance to win with me still along.
And if you are town, we are already at a 50% chance of winning today when you hammer massive..

[UnaBombaH]

But I'd say this would be the type of coincidence you just lose to, and accept it.

its tin foily so maybe ocamms says no.

vote:massive

Good choice.
Happy Mafiascum -day!
And now we wait........

[UnaBombaH]

Wooo!
Guess it was worthwhile pushing through..

Big thanks to Nexus for taking care of us in the end!
Much appreciated!

[UnaBombaH]

And Wave? Good job as vig.

Agreedo!