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Post Post #891 (isolation #0) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:19 am

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We didn't talk about anything whatsoever what

You asked if I'd join a game you're hosting and I said only if I don't get put into game I offered to sub into

And hey creature
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Post Post #894 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:24 am

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Through 12 pages I thought literally 5 people were wolves. Elsewhere wolf hunting is hard and here finding town in all the wolves is harder

Dunkerdoodle was the closest to a lock wolf for me though
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Post Post #896 (isolation #2) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:25 am

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That mod font is aids

Unless this site has implemented light colored skins

But I see the VC. Want to finish catch-up but would be happy to string up dunk and go to night
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Post Post #898 (isolation #3) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:27 am

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VOTE: dunkerdoodle
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Post Post #900 (isolation #4) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:29 am

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That makes utterly no sense and talking further about it is the only thing that could be angly so lettuce play werewolf bub
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Post Post #901 (isolation #5) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:31 am

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Pisskop knows nothing would please me more than to correctly lynch him. I'll give him an iso but considering my feels on dunks I'm highly skeptical that the savants on ms concocted wolf/wolf wagons
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Post Post #903 (isolation #6) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:36 am

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Oh wow those might be w/w wagons
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Post Post #904 (isolation #7) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:40 am

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I want to read more but the pk multiquote felt fake like he was pulling posts saying "ewwwww" and shit just as filler and not to really express and convince others of his reads. Hard to describe better rn on phone but the posts he chose to quote didn't fit my perception of how he solves. Lacking bite? Maybe that's it

And the cherry was saying he was gonna iso dunk and "vote, or not" then declared he's on the "town side of the fence" and then tried to gin up a vedith wagon with a gogogo. Again, feeeels unlike town him. Plus I think vedith is town
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Post Post #905 (isolation #8) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:41 am

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Also idk if this is a real read or not but the tictac posts in first 12 pages were borderline TTTBT

too towny to be town. That's literally a dumb read but it feels right in my soul and am declaring it for postgame glory in case I eat a fear bullet here
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Post Post #915 (isolation #9) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:35 am

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In post 912, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 910, Creature wrote:Anyone's willing to test other wagons? We can always return to Dunkerdoodles...
Let's say they are both town wagons.
Were is scum?
One on each wagon?
One not voting?

That's what I'm thinking as I look at the vc.
Why the fuck are you thinking this right now when you're voting one of them (are you saying you're voting him and don't think he is scum?) unless you somehow know it's town/town?

Who is most likely to be scum iyo? Clarify that for me

Cognitive dissonance of this post almost always comes from scum. Weigh in on screenplay folks I'm gonna iso him next after these fb games are over
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Post Post #916 (isolation #10) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:39 am

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Meh I reread it a couple more times with the creature post context and it's not as egregious as I first thought. Need to read everything available to at least get a full read list out. No hurry boys and girls
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Post Post #917 (isolation #11) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:42 am

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Also I have no idea why I think it was that "5 post read" post but I've been thinking of creature as firebringer/fb meta to this point. And as I readjust it doesn't really trigger any feelings one way or the other but know it's less easy of a read than I thought. And that's not at all a compliment iykwim
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Post Post #918 (isolation #12) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:44 am

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In post 909, Creature wrote:Though, I think scum aren't even trying...
Can you describe what gives you this thought or is it just out of your ass "gut"?
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Post Post #920 (isolation #13) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:44 pm

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1. Pocket attempt
2. Saying that's posts of creatures caliber (implying NAI / that he's scummy town)
3. Vote creature

Does not compute. Why exactly do you want to lynch him? What makes him your most likely scum now?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:16 am

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Town don't say "I'm cool with being lynched" in my experience

Scum say it bc for some reason they think it looks blasé town

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Post Post #952 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:00 am

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In post 951, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: pisskop
How is this for anything but appearance purposes??? (on a wagon you're seemingly already on?)
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #16) » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:46 am

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Some lazy ass looking votes so far today. Will take a good look on Monday and try to hammer out a full list.
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:38 am

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In post 1030, Morality wrote:
In post 1019, PantherPunt wrote:Some lazy ass looking votes so far today. Will take a good look on Monday and try to hammer out a full list.
I'm actually rather relieved that Panther pointed out this as being a lot of lazy votes. It's exactly how I'd expect him to act based on the personality being shown in this post. I don't have meta here, but I'm much more confident in Panther being town.

I stand by what I stated, and I know that I'm not off the hook yet either, but I will do what I can to get you guys to see that I'm town after the suspicion being thrown on Pisskop so hard.
borderline impossible to be real

"exactly how I'd expect him to act [based on how he actually acted]"

....

"I don't have meta here"

wut

and that shit aside, how do you get super comfy I'm town bc I said "buncha lazy votes"

just answer the last part
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:40 am

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gj Amrock

I kinda think you're scum but I have no intention of pouring time into this game so the current plan is to read this game here soon and make a 'don't touch' list and see where I'm at after that
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:44 am

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In post 997, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, well that's a shame and I need to ISO Creature because I was actually looking at pushing him today.

Lynch pool today is - PK, whoever replaced Vedith and Unabomba.
this post has been sloshing around in the back of my head

what were you going to be pushing him based on?

weird disconnect for me between "I was gonna be pushing him" and "I need to ISO him"

why did you think you needed to ISO him after he was dead? what conclusions did you draw BBT?
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:48 am

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In post 1058, Mulch wrote:
In post 1057, PantherPunt wrote:gj Amrock

I kinda think you're scum but I have no intention of pouring time into this game so the current plan is to read this game here soon and make a 'don't touch' list and see where I'm at after that
Why am I scum
since angleshooting isn't a thing/crime here:

the way you got all weird when you saw me sub in didn't sit right / make sense

it was "omg omg did I accidentally discuss ongoing games?" when the whole of the conversation was
you: you should play a game I'm hosting soon on MS
me: don't want to be in more than one at a time and I might be subbing into one
you: ok

then you said some shit like "I could have gleaned information from him!"

which seems to be a 'looks town' type thing to say rather than a *real* thing, bc, you know, it was before I subbed in

my counterpoint to that is your pred was all hotheaded in a way that I rarely see from scum
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #21) » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:53 am

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just looked back at a couple of pisskop posts by way of isoing aero for whatever reason

hindsight and all but wished we lynched there first. him flipping scum puts the game close to easy mode imo
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #22) » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:48 am

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In post 1077, Ghostlin wrote:: Why? Is there a relation between Aero and PK?
[lol you postlinked my post that's directly above yours. you can just quote it????]

not any kind of association...just clicked through an aero post and saw these
In post 568, pisskop wrote:VOTE: vedith

Aero, tchill, elyse, bbt, vedith
In post 570, pisskop wrote:gogogogo

tell me why we shouldnt lynch any of those.
imho, pisskop would be much more likely to have a smaller group of targets or only one target he wanted lynched. That he voted vedith but offered willingness to vote for 4 others as well doesn't right true.

kind of sucks now bc there is a replacement and this can't be answered for, but ya
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #23) » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:49 am

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In post 281, Mulch wrote:VOTE: vedith

You said I have a 0% chance of flipping town, and I am town.
Oh and I had a problem with your entrance. This whole line. First of all, this began with "what are you gonna do IF I flip town" rather than "WHEN"

^that particular line has given false positives for me in the past so it's not something I'm gonna stick hard to

But in the continuance of that line, you oddly lead him into saying that you'll never flip town as a justification to put a vote on him

I'm kind of used to seeing you act a bit wild, but that doesn't seem like a sensible progression in the conversation. Tell me why it took leading him to saying that for you to vote him? Why that's what made him scum to you there?
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #24) » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:51 am

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In post 281, Mulch wrote:VOTE: vedith

You said I have a 0% chance of flipping town, and I am town.
In post 389, Mulch wrote:I retract my DunkerDoodle townread.
What made you make this retraction here?
In post 403, Mulch wrote:Elyse is probably scum with TMI, but I need Screenplay to answer my question before I unvote :(
What was the TMI fypov?
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:57 am

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through bottom of page 45 the morality/mulch tête-à-tête appears to be two towns to me

I'd sign in blood that it's not scum/scum

but ya think they're both town
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:03 am

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my sly little TMI read is that tictac accidentally outed that there are only 2 scum back on page 1

these pseudoslips that I often catch have a mixed hit rate, but if he flips scum I'm hanging my hat on that. that and my general impression that in the first 11 pages I read a week and a half ago, he had the most words to littlest impact ratio. just going along and getting along if that makes any sense. and for that, I can empathize with morality's "gut read" that he's just scum

really need to make time to read this game so that I can feel like I did my part
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:14 am

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In post 975, Ghostlin wrote: Few questions for a few folks:

Panther: do you think 925 was scummy or bad?
rereading today and don't think I answered this. are you referring to 926? (925 is a VC).

and if so, why are you asking about my take on the d1 lynch's post? (that I made pretty clear on d1)

what you looking to learn?
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:20 am

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In post 81, cd wrote:
In post 74, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 73, Vedith wrote:Why is Screen scum for you?
And why didn't you care when Screen voted me, being top scum read and all?

Why isn't CD scum?
Because he is full of shit and "reaction testing"
Explain how I'm "full of shit" to me. As far as I'm concerned, you weren't voting me until Vedith decided to claim. How come I wasn't "full of shit" prior to that?
In post 107, cd wrote:Yeah being frustrated towards retarded meta is a scum claim.

You're a fucking idiot.
just started a little cd reread bc he felt really town to me in the beginning pages

locking that read in for today

first post there is too righteous sounding for scum to fake imo
second is too harsh for scum to say in a game where they know they're not being genuine
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #29) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:20 am

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aaand just checked p1 and that's mulch anyways so not really a progress step, but whatever

continuing
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Post Post #1157 (isolation #30) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:28 am

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aeronut's posts are pretty NAI on the whole, but the gun to head would be town there

for the conjunction of the vedith read and minor points to the 'was gonna read pisskop town until x'

don't expect this to be understood nor should people really utilize this but want to get my thoughts down
>if aero's slot flips scum, I think vedith's slot is highly likely to be town, as scum rarely have the brass to make their first read an unexplained townread on a bro (they typically feel they HAVE to justify it)
>if aero's slot flips town, vedith's slot is ??? but I tend to put a little stock into the read bc it was the single read he felt confident enough in to voice and I for some reason have it in my head that he has a reputation as a decent player

I see that vedith=ghostlin and have felt pretty unsure on ghostlin so that's tempering my feels a bit, but gun to head that slot is town for me today
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #31) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:32 am

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10 posts into ghostlin and I'm good with that slot for now

like the tone especially in posts 0 and 7 of his iso

T
Ghostlin (vedith)
Mulch (cd)

Morality (pisskop) but with less confidence than the first two
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #32) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:40 am

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(almost) full read of pisskop iso and I am feeling better about him and possibly keeping ghostlin/vedith on my suspect list just on the basis that I give slight credence to pk's self-proclaimed soul-peering abilities on vedith

as it stands, the three of them seem to be 'on the town side of the fence'

and I am intrigued by/like pk's callouts on others (currently forgetting other than screen and:) BBT (despite him saying that BBT wasn't getting lynched d1, which may have just been policy, bc as I understand it, BBT gets some reverence on this site)
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:50 am

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In post 649, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 646, tictac wrote:k then.
I think you and pisskop use the word 'sarcasm' differently than I do.
Point about OP is a good one.
VOTE: Chill
How would lynching me be more beneficial to the state of the game than lynching
pisskop
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dunker
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In post 676, Tchill13 wrote:The only thing I don't like about tictacs case on me is he makes sure to state its a policy vote against lurking.
Dunker still hasn't done well with their defense.
In post 847, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 840, Ghostlin wrote:Screen's 835 sums up what I'm seeing in this game. Too many players with thumbs up their asses about the game. This slot claimed a PR, there's doubt about the accuracy from the playerbase, and do we even float the idea? Nope. Between players like Elyse who pretty much own they've not read the thread, and this...fucking passivity ( like where the fuck is BBT?) It's not a stunner that scum has plenty of places to hide.
Are you suggesting we lynch an inactive slot?
I like
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In post 967, Tchill13 wrote:I thought it was
pretty obvious dunkerdoodles was town
. I'm not sure why he got lynched other than "well let's just go with this guy"
Hey Tchill,

Talk me through this one. Why was he obvious town? When did he become obvious town for you? Posts? etc.

Yours in mafia,
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:52 am

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In post 70, tictac wrote:ehh. Ok.
Any point in probing Screen since gonna get vigged anyways?
Not feeling the cd wagon atm.
VOTE: Chill

Let's slow things down in general. 4 slots have yet to post content.
if tictac is scum, I think this is hard spew of both vedith and screenplay as town, fwiw. someone make this note if I decide we're lynching tictac today, he flips scum, and I'm dead tomorrow
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:53 am

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In post 1161, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Sooo Ghostlin is still alive.

How about that.
Hey BBT. Howls it going? Can you tell me why Ghostlin is your highest confidence scum read? I'm gonna interrupt my tictac iso and jump to yours, but if you could stream off an executive summary, that'd be great
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #36) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:13 am

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In post 997, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, well that's a shame and I need to ISO Creature because I was actually looking at pushing him today.
Also, was this fruitful?
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:45 am

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It's my favorite when people playing the game just flat out fucking ignore other players. Makes for a really fun game where town have a chance to win. /s

BBT - can you respond to my two questions to you on the last page?
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:49 am

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Every time I come back here I regret it. 12 player game with 5 replacements and half the people who are playing aren't REALLY playing.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:05 am

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back and surprise surprise, nothing here.

just spent about 30 minutes reading tchill's iso a few times and I am relatively confident he's town. not lynching today

both 695 and 794 seem to demonstrate he's evaluating players' reads and potentially motivations. like that in 794 he points out a change in another players read but does so while asking about it, rather than calling it scummy/voting

caveat is that both posts I like are addressed at una; fear being that maybe he only posts well at a scumbro; would want to re-examine his possibility of being scum if una were outed as scum

want to also add the note that if tchill is scum, mulch and pisskop are never scum with him imo due to 556 alone

but tchill=town is where I am right now
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:09 am

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meant to link those post numbers, sorry.

also, the tchill=town thing makes me mildly wary of the vedith slot, who is ghostlin. walking back that townread slightly for now, but would only lynch today if and only if I don't have a very high confidence scum and/or get much more comfortable with BBT=town
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:17 am

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ok I just started into ghostlin's iso a bit and am not a fan. also relooked at my own entrance to the game and am reminded that I don't like screenplay.

just went and looked for the latest vc and they are voting each other lol.

still need a fair bit of time to work through some things and get comfortable on all 9 alive but I expect to deliver a gamewinning post this phase
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:49 am

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In post 1184, Srceenplay wrote:My biggest problem is with Vedith claiming vig and ghost saying he lied.

If people want to get on something different I would still be ok with tic or una.


I have a lot to catch up on site and probably need the weekend to do it.
In post 1185, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, the claim is something that can't be left untested.

Also, I could lynch Una. But after Ghostlin.
So in your guys' experience, it is more likely that scum will fake claim a PR on day 1 with no reason to do so?
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #43) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:02 am

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In post 466, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't understand how applying pressure and forcing someone to contribute more than what they're currently doing doesn't help you develop a read.

You don't need to be looking for all 3 scum either - you only need one for Day One and then you go from there.
ran into this in the Una iso.

filing it away in the 'is this accidental TMI?' folder

I'm used to game sizes going from 9 (7v2) to 13 (10v3) so I'm not sure if 12p games here typically have 2 or typically have 3 scum - I'm guessing it depends on the PRs they have. 10v2 sounds really shitty for mafia to have to pull 5 mislynches to win, so I'd only think it'd be the case if there is extra kill power in the game, be it mafia or other
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:10 am

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I think Una is pretty damn towny after his iso. anyone who is saying he should be lynched - can you show me why?
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #45) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:11 am

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mafiascum just previewed my own post before I posted that wtf
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:58 am

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T
Una
Mulch/cd
Tchill - but do have pause by apparent avoidance of this game

??? - left to sort
morality/pisskop - need to relook but gut says towny, can't help but be paranoid it was a strategic replace out after opening day with 2 quick votes
havingfitz - read him, but not really anything there to help me make an alignment call
BBT - like some of his pots, dislike some; recent behavior is evasive and acting like he won't talk about anything until ghostlin is dead
Srceenplay - haven't read but gut says scummy from bits and pieces
Ghostlin - really dislike his posting when I got deeper into it, Vedith didn't set off any major alarm bells, claim thing is weird but ime scum don't do that, caveat is I'm not used to MS meta rn
tictac - need to read but have had an ongoing bad feeling about him due to my impression that he is kinda sidelining and not realllly caring to find, push, lynch scum

I think I like that ordering for now but that's what I need to hammer out
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #47) » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:23 am

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If we don't lynch him I'm investigating bbt tonight glgl

Guy is taking the most narrow focus of all time today and not evaluating anyone else or engaging anyone who tries to engage him. He can't be allowed to make it to lylo. Tbh we should just lynch him
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:24 am

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VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #49) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:20 am

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Thought I'd posted more recently in this stupid game
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #50) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:21 am

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we should just rand the lynches and see who wins

572 replacements and 3 week days. why do I do it to myself. why do I insist on coming back to mafiascum
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #51) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:16 am

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VOTE: ghostlin
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #52) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:17 am

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Post Post #1279 (isolation #53) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:20 am

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looks like he was in anti-spew mode given that he hasn't been talking about who SHOULD be lynched, just that he shouldn't. good luck us and all that
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #54) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:36 pm

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lol one week nights
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #55) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:39 pm

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In post 1301, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 1299, Srceenplay wrote:Reading back I think Panther would be a great lynch for today.
I'll second that.
You're both gonna need to say why so I and everyone else can, you know, tell if you're town or scum.
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #56) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:42 pm

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In post 1300, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 1297, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 1296, Lucky2u wrote:Hi everybody!
If I may ask: Go read my ISO and try to form your read on me.
TRY to look past how I read BBT or how he looked me - I'm genuinely interested in hearing how you'll sort me.
I have. You are a town fool. Stop fighting the town players and we'll get along well.
This reads really poorly to me.

1) in that there is no doubt/paranoia/uncertainty to the read
And
2) how he says stop fighting with town players which is super duper LAMIST in one of they more egregious ways I've ever seen
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #57) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:44 am

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In post 1309, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1307, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1301, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 1299, Srceenplay wrote:Reading back I think Panther would be a great lynch for today.
I'll second that.
You're both gonna need to say why so I and everyone else can, you know, tell if you're town or scum.
You spend all day throwing shade at Ghost but never voting him.
When his lynch became inevitable you mysteriously show up and try to hammer him.
Ghost coming in after that and self hammering looked to me as him trying to protect you.
Who looks more towny to you from your reread?
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #58) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:03 pm

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In post 1314, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1310, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1309, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1307, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1301, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 1299, Srceenplay wrote:Reading back I think Panther would be a great lynch for today.
I'll second that.
You're both gonna need to say why so I and everyone else can, you know, tell if you're town or scum.
You spend all day throwing shade at Ghost but never voting him.
When his lynch became inevitable you mysteriously show up and try to hammer him.
Ghost coming in after that and self hammering looked to me as him trying to protect you.
Who looks more towny to you from your reread?
Really did do a whole reread. Just last pages of the day, your ISO.
Lucky2you definitely Town.
Una after completely disagreeing with the ghost lynch maybe town.
Gut feel on mulch town.
That's about it.
Why is lucky2you definitely town?

No suspicion of bbt shitbaglurkbussingsubthefuckout?

How did you choose to iso me and no one else? Convenient
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #59) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:04 pm

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In post 1321, Lucky2u wrote:Oh my God my favorite character from uncharted! How's Nathan!?

Ok so we are agreed on panther right?
In post 1322, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1321, Lucky2u wrote:Ok so we are agreed on panther right?
Ya. In theory. I have heard no complaints.
These posts are so bad but they can't be openly wolfing this hard
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #60) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:05 pm

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Are we now at 20 players in a 12 player game? Mafiascum top notch mafia games and level of play eh
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #61) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:25 pm

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In post 1326, Srceenplay wrote:You tried to hammer and end the day discussion. Failed at it. The scum ghost comes in and self hammered to end discussion. Convenient huh
End day discussion that was humming along at 4 subs per day

And lynched scum

Ya it was very much so

I'll do the ole proverbial: I get ic'd. Where do you turn
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #62) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:57 am

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In post 1301, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 1298, Srceenplay wrote:Hello.
Can't wait for you to relay your thoughts.

I'm also curious to hear from tics replacement.
Mobile for now. I'll post something good tonight when home
Can I ask what your definition of good is and if you think you've done anything to help others decipher your alignment?
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #63) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:54 am

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Amrock why are you being so quiet?

Why aren't you opining on my alignment?
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #64) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:50 am

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In post 1346, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1326, Srceenplay wrote:You tried to hammer and end the day discussion. Failed at it. The scum ghost comes in and self hammered to end discussion. Convenient huh
No one else want to chime in on this post about Panther?
No one else does because it sucks.
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #65) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:52 am

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Also

Unabombah is obvious town
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #66) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:58 am

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Srceen looks decent in Ghostlin's iso.

hf looks bad

if lucky2u is tictac slot I think I wanna go there though. still reading ghostlin
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #67) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:09 am

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In post 1293, LlamaFluff wrote:
Maki Harukawa replaces tictic.

I am still searching for a replacement for BlueBloodedToffee. Day will begin 24 hours after the final replacement is found.
In post 1315, LlamaFluff wrote:
Elena Fisher replaces Maki Harukawa
LOLOLOLOL

didn't notice this

this is pretty much always scum

who offers to sub in, gets their role PM, and says NOPE FUCK THAT as town

I mean...reading into substitutions isn't ideal, but jesus
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #68) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:10 am

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VOTE: Elena Fisher
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #69) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:22 am

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In post 1355, Elena Fisher wrote:I am Maki. I just couldn't get the account to activate so I picked a dif account.
That helps, but you're still the tictac slot.

If you're town, just do you and it should shine through, right?
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #70) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:41 pm

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lol intentional derpclear attempts

Nobody reads a game without looking at the flips first. Informs your reads

Lynch with the fire of a thousand suns

One of my favorite self-outings I've ever seen
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #71) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:41 pm

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In post 1364, Srceenplay wrote:I want to agree with Panther but can I be wrong about him?
Could he buss twice?
Lmao did you just claim scumbros with Elena fisher

lol mafiascum wtf is this game
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #72) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:32 am

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In post 1368, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1365, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1364, Srceenplay wrote:I want to agree with Panther but can I be wrong about him?
Could he buss twice?
Lmao did you just claim scumbros with Elena fisher

lol mafiascum wtf is this game
How does this translate to a scum claim to you ?
"Could he bus twice"

Its the most unnatural thought in the world to have after agreeing with me.

It shows you trying to stay married to scumreadig me even if/when Elena Fisher flips wolf.
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #73) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:33 am

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Let's speed this shit up it's practically over.
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Post Post #1393 (isolation #74) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:10 am

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This isn't mafia. I don't care how this game proceeds at all anymore. I'm a warm body so the mod doesn't need to find a 54th sub.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #75) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:55 am

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In post 1394, Mulch wrote:
In post 1393, PantherPunt wrote:This isn't mafia. I don't care how this game proceeds at all anymore. I'm a warm body so the mod doesn't need to find a 54th sub.
21 day deadlines. Ridiculous. Other games here have much more activity and less than half of the deadline
My problem is that on top of that, there seems to be no real effort to actually solve alignments or understand what is actually towny vs. what is not. I am trying not to just say "everyone is bad" but when they're looking at you as someone to follow......ya.

I kind of hope you're scum and that you win tbh.
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #76) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:39 am

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In post 1400, Mulch wrote:
In post 1399, PantherPunt wrote:but when they're looking at you as someone to follow......ya.
I actually tend to have good reads. I don't think you've seen me play except in a mash?
It's not meant to be offensive to you or imply that you don't have better than rand reads.

But as far as I can tell, you are voting fitz today without a communicated reason, and one or more people are just going with that and compounding the thoughtless (evidentiary thought, at least) play of this game. It's not mafia and not fun.

I have to keep stopping myself from saying 'just lynch me and free me from this shit' but the feeling is there.
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #77) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:40 am

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s/o Elena for at the very least pretending to offer substantive thought
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Post Post #1407 (isolation #78) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:55 am

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VOTE: pantherpunt
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #79) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:57 am

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Nobody wants to engage me or discuss anything

I'm just scum "for bussing to end day discussion early"

Good luck going forward
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #80) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:04 am

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In post 1148, LlamaFluff wrote:
Vote Count


Ghostlin (4)
- Srceenplay, BlueBloodedToffee, Mulch, Morality
Srceenplay (1) - Ghostlin
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - UnaBombaH

Not Voting (4) - havingfitz, PantherPunt, tictac, Tchill13

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline for Day Two is October 5th, 6:20 PM in (expired on 2017-10-05 18:20:00)

havingfitz is V/LA until September 20th
In post 1157, PantherPunt wrote:aeronut's posts are pretty NAI on the whole, but the gun to head would be town there

for the conjunction of the vedith read and minor points to the 'was gonna read pisskop town until x'

don't expect this to be understood nor should people really utilize this but want to get my thoughts down
>if aero's slot flips scum, I think vedith's slot is highly likely to be town, as scum rarely have the brass to make their first read an unexplained townread on a bro (they typically feel they HAVE to justify it)
>if aero's slot flips town, vedith's slot is ??? but I tend to put a little stock into the read bc it was the single read he felt confident enough in to voice and I for some reason have it in my head that he has a reputation as a decent player

I see that vedith=ghostlin and have felt pretty unsure on ghostlin so that's tempering my feels a bit, but
gun to head that slot is town
for me today
In post 1158, PantherPunt wrote:10 posts into ghostlin and I'm good with that slot for now

like the tone especially in posts 0 and 7 of his iso

T
Ghostlin (vedith)

Mulch (cd)

Morality (pisskop) but with less confidence than the first two
In post 1159, PantherPunt wrote:
(almost) full read of pisskop iso and I am feeling better about him and
possibly keeping ghostlin/vedith on my suspect list
just on the basis that I give slight credence to pk's self-proclaimed soul-peering abilities on vedith


as it stands, the three of them seem to be 'on the town side of the fence'

and I am intrigued by/like pk's callouts on others (currently forgetting other than screen and:) BBT (despite him saying that BBT wasn't getting lynched d1, which may have just been policy, bc as I understand it, BBT gets some reverence on this site)
In post 1181, PantherPunt wrote:meant to link those post numbers, sorry.

also,
the tchill=town thing
makes me mildly wary of the vedith slot, who is ghostlin. walking back that townread slightly for now
, but would only lynch today if and only if I don't have a very high confidence scum and/or get much more comfortable with BBT=town
In post 1182, PantherPunt wrote:
ok I just started into ghostlin's iso a bit
and am not a fan.
also relooked at my own entrance to the game and am reminded that I don't like screenplay.


just went and looked for the latest vc and they are voting each other lol.

still need a fair bit of time to work through some things and get comfortable on all 9 alive but I expect to deliver a gamewinning post this phase
In post 1192, LlamaFluff wrote:
Vote Count

Ghostlin (4)
- Srceenplay, BlueBloodedToffee, Mulch, Morality
Srceenplay (1) - Ghostlin
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - UnaBombaH

Not Voting (4) - havingfitz, PantherPunt, tictac, Tchill13

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline for Day Two is October 5th, 6:20 PM in (expired on 2017-10-05 18:20:00)

Tchill13 is being replaced

Ghostlin is V/LA until September 25th
In post 1206, PantherPunt wrote:T
Una
Mulch/cd
Tchill - but do have pause by apparent avoidance of this game

??? - left to sort
morality/pisskop - need to relook but gut says towny, can't help but be paranoid it was a strategic replace out after opening day with 2 quick votes
havingfitz - read him, but not really anything there to help me make an alignment call
BBT - like some of his pots, dislike some; recent behavior is evasive and acting like he won't talk about anything until ghostlin is dead
Srceenplay - haven't read but gut says scummy from bits and pieces
Ghostlin
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really dislike his posting when I got deeper into it
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Vedith didn't set off any major alarm bells, claim thing is weird but ime scum don't do that, caveat is I'm not used to MS meta rn

tictac - need to read but have had an ongoing bad feeling about him due to my impression that he is kinda sidelining and not realllly caring to find, push, lynch scum

I think I like that ordering for now but that's what I need to hammer out
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Ghostlin (4)
- Srceenplay, BlueBloodedToffee, Mulch, Morality
Srceenplay (1) - Ghostlin
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - UnaBombaH
UnaBombaH (1) - havingfitz

Not Voting (3) - PantherPunt, tictac, Tchill13

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline for Day Two is October 5th, 6:20 PM in (expired on 2017-10-05 18:20:00)

tictac has been prodded
Tchill13 is being replaced

Ghostlin is V/LA until September 25th
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so when I was thinking he was town, he was at 4 votes. and when I, through better work and solving than anyone in this game even has in them, continuously re-evaluated reads changed him to a scumread, he was still at 4 votes. so tell me more about how it's bussing rather than town re-evaluating reads and in this case, correcting them, to get to a scum lynch
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #81) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:04 am

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UNVOTE: myself
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Post Post #1414 (isolation #82) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:07 am

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In post 1410, Srceenplay wrote: I also think that the tic slot has a chance to be scum. So if both them hold true that would mean you bussed twice. At least once and tried to distance the second time.
So why aren't you voting tictac slot?

Like...how does it make any rational sense to say that you think a slot is scum, so you're voting me for bussing that slot.

Why is it not instead more likely that I'm just town voting scum?

Why, when that should be a clear possibility to you, would you vote me rather than the tictac slot?
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #83) » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:12 pm

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In post 1415, Srceenplay wrote:Like I said it doesn't feel natural. In 50 post he goes from a town read to a scum read. It the took you another 70 posts to follow through with the scum and vote. No more discussion or thoughts from you on him, just a vote.
"It doesn't feel natural" is just your inability to comprehend my superior ability.

The rest of your post is in no way a description of something more likely to come from scum than town.

How do you also intentionally ignore the context of my disdain for the slow pace, ton of subs, and piss poor participation? That was very evidently a factor in voting him when I did so. Ignoring this context really smells agenda-y. Are you doubting your scumread on me or are you unwaveringly dead set still?
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #84) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:14 am

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In post 1419, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1417, PantherPunt wrote:"It doesn't feel natural" is just your inability to comprehend my superior ability.
That's just hade throwing.
It's the complete opposite of shade throwing. Shade throwing would be something that implied your scummy-ness. By calling you bad, I'm inherently giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're town.
In post 1419, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1417, PantherPunt wrote:The rest of your post is in no way a description of something more likely to come from scum than town.
Maybe partially true. I would think a good town player wouldn't do it. You just said you are superior, so, hmm.
As a contrarian example, this is shade throwing. An indirect line of thought meant to lead to 'well therefore you should gather that Panther is scum.'
In post 1419, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1417, PantherPunt wrote:How do you also intentionally ignore the context of my disdain for the slow pace, ton of subs, and piss poor participation? That was very evidently a factor in voting him when I did so. Ignoring this context really smells agenda-y. Are you doubting your scumread on me or are you unwaveringly dead set still?
That can easily be faked. I know it so I ignored it.
Not doubting it at all. Tunneling now. You seem to be flailing not trying to convey reasoning.
I really wanted to see your answer to this most of all. My perception of normal/good town players is that when faced with some counters to their points, they consider them and have some confidence level in reads that is not 100%. Scum, imho, think they have to have these lock-sure reads. You being married to this has garnered my full attention and now I'm mildly motivated to dissect your ISO. Maybe just bang them all out.
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #85) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:16 am

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In post 1420, UnaBombaH wrote:I wasn't scumreading Panther previously, but just this one self-vote made me feel like it was manipulation.
And town shouldn't need to do that.. :facepalm:

I'll try to have time and read tonight - I want to find another perspective to all this, otherwise I'm stuck with sheeping and tunneling.
Second to lynching scum and finding out it's game over bc it was 10-2, my preference is to die and be rid of this site forever. Not manipulation. If you don't buy what I'm selling by the time I'm done doing whatever it is I decide to do, vote me.
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #86) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:28 am

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Tchill:

not as confident in TR on him as I am in my one on Una, but I think he's probably just town

695 seems like a towny read - he goes out of his way to townread una when he didn't need to; only bows up if they are exactly scum/scum but I'm highly confident that's not the case
794 towny inspection of una changing a read on someone, but asking about it rather than utilizing it as a reason to call una scummy and vote him
1269 decent from the standpoint that: if he's scum, he'd have to overcome his knowledge that ghostlin couldn't have an inno check, in order to keep his perspective correct; in other words, I think it's a hard post for scum to fake make and is another point in his favor

as a potentially not-relevant aside, I think he's never ever possible to be scum with Mulch from all the talk of sheeping him
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #87) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:28 am

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p-edit: I have to pick this up and put this down as work demands, so it will be spaced out time-wise, but I'm going through everyone. And I have countered your points, BRO.

1. screenplay: "you flipped your read on Ghostlin because you were forced to bus"
--I continuously re-evaluated and absorbed more of the game; that's towny; saying it's scummy with 100% certainty is just jamming it to fit your agenda of lynching me; how is that not abundantly clear
2. screenplay: "you hammered to end discussion"
--there were many subs, the thread was dead, this site is a disgusting bog of not only terrible mafia play, but apathy and no respect for integrity of the game itself; I thought it was possible ghostlin was scum and hammered. pretty straightforward

c/p'ing this out to separate from tchill thoughts
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Post Post #1428 (isolation #88) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:17 am

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In post 644, tictac wrote:
In post 618, tictac wrote:
In post 601, Srceenplay wrote:Well, I'm definitely flipping town. My role card was greenish. The hue was a little off but that's the mods fault not mine.
Whoo :D

My role-card is uncolored.
Llama is lazy and this is a lie.
VOTE: Screen
Hokay. Looks like this is convincing to no-one.
That is not at all what I expected.
Can someone please tell me where I'm going wrong?
LOL

hadn't read this section of the game and hadn't seen this stuff.

think this is really towny of tictac.

think it's also a mandate on srceenplay being lynched. he never even responded to it, just dunkers said "think it was sarcastic" which I don't understand how that conclusion can be made

srceenplay - care to comment now?
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #89) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:18 am

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In post 1427, Srceenplay wrote:Telling me what is towny doesn't sit well with me. You keep doing it but to me it means you are self aware and trying to force that awareness on others.
THATS HALF THE BATTLE OF THE GAME WHEN YOURE TOWN!

lol you're floundering to say every single post of mine is scummy.
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #90) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:19 am

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VOTE: srceenplay
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #91) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:20 am

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In post 626, pisskop wrote:Screen super obvs fakehammers vedi. within 3 game posts he votes twice and claims hammer.

He claims to be town several times, even confed.

He is full of 1 liners, with constant 'he is def scum, I know' and petty back and forths, and urges to end the day prematurely.


You know, Id settle for him. He's got enough interactions, and I dont like his iso.
In post 629, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 626, pisskop wrote:Screen super obvs fakehammers vedi. within 3 game posts he votes twice and claims hammer.

He claims to be town several times, even confed.

He is full of 1 liners, with constant 'he is def scum, I know' and petty back and forths, and urges to end the day prematurely.


You know, Id settle for him. He's got enough interactions, and I dont like his iso.
You are really trying to stretch a scum read huh.
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #92) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:27 am

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In post 404, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 396, Elyse wrote:Idk how this is relevant
I might not be

Unless we have a 3rd party in this game.
obligatory "only scum think about whether there are 3p in the game" point-out here
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Post Post #1433 (isolation #93) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:29 am

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In post 650, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 622, tictac wrote:In post 621, Srceenplay wrote:
So your not green?

That is indeed the case.
Omg. No one is going to jump all over this?
Is this not a scum tell? What am I missing.
holy ridiculously bad scum post here
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Post Post #1438 (isolation #94) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:42 am

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In post 826, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 822, Ghostlin wrote:Vanilla Townie; my predecessor was entirely full of shit. What are your reads?
Dunk una tic scum reads

Your slot got bumped down a notch with the VT claim.

In the back of my mind I was thinking you as a sk.
In post 979, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 975, Ghostlin wrote:So. I did ISOs on most of town,
Someone just scum claimed.
In post 981, Srceenplay wrote:VOTE:
Ghost
In post 1184, Srceenplay wrote:
My biggest problem is with Vedith claiming vig and ghost saying he lied
.

If people want to get on something different I would still be ok with tic or una.


I have a lot to catch up on site and probably need the weekend to do it.
There is a major disconnect here that betrays Srceenplay's supposed read/thoughts from before.

Initially, the change in claim was just a "bump down a notch" which is a very cool temperatured statement.

The high heat statement comes in relation to the perceived scum claim, which incites the vote (I've been in this position as scum where I think "damn...my buddy just slipped, better bus the shit out of him before someone else buries him for it. at least this way I'll get cred. spoiler: many times, people don't jump on those things. you just notice them more as scum from your scumbros bc of your informed perspective).

But then he goes back to his biggest problem and reason for staying on the wagon being the change in claim. That is incongruent with his previous thoughts and I think demonstrates that the read isn't genuine/from town actually evaluating the game.
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #95) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:45 am

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In post 1436, Srceenplay wrote: I don't see the irony.
but it's twofold!

one - you're trying to stretch anything I say to be part of your scumread, which you accused pisskop of doing (poorly, bc his points were legit and you had no counter for them other than "you're stretching")

two - part of what you call a stretch is him saying that you tried to end day prematurely. which is now a reason you're trying to pin on me as legitimate (when it led to a scum lynch, at that!!)
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #96) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:47 am

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In post 1255, Srceenplay wrote:Do you guys have day talk? I don't.
What prompted this post?
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #97) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:49 am

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In post 1273, Srceenplay wrote:UNVOTE:
I'm going to wait for a new perspective with the replacement.
For now I'm still ok with ghost.
This doesn't compute for me.

Looks like you are trying to open up the floor for a chance to vote another wagon based on perspective from new person. Or that you are losing confidence in your ghostlin scumread. But that can't be possible because you still say you're ok with ghost lynch. But if you think it's scum and have been clamoring for that lynch, why remove your vote? The point of the game is to lynch scum, ya?
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #98) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:51 am

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srceenplay - I don't want to overload you with questions, so I'll pause after this one, but I want answers to all eventually.

Of the players in the game, aeronut/fitz slot is one that you've never offered a thought or a read on. Why is that? What is your read on that slot and why?
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #99) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:57 am

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In post 1443, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1439, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1436, Srceenplay wrote: I don't see the irony.
but it's twofold!

one - you're trying to stretch anything I say to be part of your scumread, which you accused pisskop of doing (poorly, bc his points were legit and you had no counter for them other than "you're stretching")

two - part of what you call a stretch is him saying that you tried to end day prematurely. which is now a reason you're trying to pin on me as legitimate (when it led to a scum lynch, at that!!)
He said obvious fake hammer. Which isn't what you would call trying to end the day early.
Separate thought - said urges to end day early. This isn't even really an alignment-indicative thought train here - just pointing out your shit bc it entertains me.

Get to answering me on the scum points.
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #100) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:57 am

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In post 1445, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1442, PantherPunt wrote:srceenplay - I don't want to overload you with questions, so I'll pause after this one, but I want answers to all eventually.

Of the players in the game, aeronut/fitz slot is one that you've never offered a thought or a read on. Why is that? What is your read on that slot and why?
I don't know. After mulch voted him I know I ISO him but I don't remember anything worth talking about. It obviously wasn't anything for me to consider it over you.
So I'll ask again - what is your read on that slot and why?
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Post Post #1448 (isolation #101) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:58 am

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In post 1444, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1441, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1273, Srceenplay wrote:UNVOTE:
I'm going to wait for a new perspective with the replacement.
For now I'm still ok with ghost.
This doesn't compute for me.

Looks like you are trying to open up the floor for a chance to vote another wagon based on perspective from new person. Or that you are losing confidence in your ghostlin scumread. But that can't be possible because you still say you're ok with ghost lynch. But if you think it's scum and have been clamoring for that lynch, why remove your vote? The point of the game is to lynch scum, ya?
I did it do exactly the reason stated. Nothing more nothing less. With that in mind I would hope why you can see how it bothers me that you tried to hammer but failed only to have ghost donit for you.
It shouldn't bother you at all that I tried to hammer. How are you saying that is a scum point? Are all hammers on scum scummy then? If not, why is mine differentiated? Qualify your fucking opinion.
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #102) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:08 am

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In post 1450, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1448, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1444, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1441, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1273, Srceenplay wrote:UNVOTE:
I'm going to wait for a new perspective with the replacement.
For now I'm still ok with ghost.
This doesn't compute for me.

Looks like you are trying to open up the floor for a chance to vote another wagon based on perspective from new person. Or that you are losing confidence in your ghostlin scumread. But that can't be possible because you still say you're ok with ghost lynch. But if you think it's scum and have been clamoring for that lynch, why remove your vote? The point of the game is to lynch scum, ya?
I did it do exactly the reason stated. Nothing more nothing less. With that in mind I would hope why you can see how it bothers me that you tried to hammer but failed only to have ghost donit for you.
It shouldn't bother you at all that I tried to hammer. How are you saying that is a scum point? Are all hammers on scum scummy then? If not, why is mine differentiated? Qualify your fucking opinion.
Because I specifically asked us to wait for a replacement. You ignored it without reason thought or discussion.
But that isn't a justification of why it's scummy from me?

Objectively, it should skew to towny. A new perspective could have shifted the lynch elsewhere onto a mislynch. I hammered and we got a scum lynch. So again, you framing my hammer vote as your complete justification of why I'm scum is nonsense and you saying you're 100% married to your scumread on me is scummy AF
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #103) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:09 am

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In post 1451, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1447, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1445, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1442, PantherPunt wrote:srceenplay - I don't want to overload you with questions, so I'll pause after this one, but I want answers to all eventually.

Of the players in the game, aeronut/fitz slot is one that you've never offered a thought or a read on. Why is that? What is your read on that slot and why?
I don't know. After mulch voted him I know I ISO him but I don't remember anything worth talking about. It obviously wasn't anything for me to consider it over you.
So I'll ask again - what is your read on that slot and why?
Null.
I suppose I can read it tonight and put some thoughts down.
I think this is absolutely necessary bc in my wordlbuilding spreadsheet, if you're scum, he's your #1 most likely partner fmpov.

If you know that to not be true, you should have no fear in giving some great genuine thoughts on the slot that appear as just that.
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #104) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:24 am

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In post 1454, Srceenplay wrote:I try to do fitz tonight.


You trying to discuss reasoning for hammering and not waiting doesn't make sense to me.
If you had concerns with me wanting to wait or a new perspective coming in being wrong why not state them before the hammer.

Again it's not that you tried to hammer and failed it is also that it appears ghost came in and saved you from it.
Well before I knew Ghostlin was scum, I couldn't really have concerns about you backing out of the wagon, ldo.

And I was just fed up with the number of replacements and didn't have Ghostlin as town. And voila, scum flip.

I still have no comprehension about why me being an L-1 vote that thought was a hammer is a bad thing. Or how scum self-hammering could even be a "save" of anything if a scumbro made the L-1 vote thinking it was a hammer.

Your entire thought premise makes no sense to me. And yet you have 100% confidence I'm scum from that point alone (and my 'floundering' in every post since, apparently).

Looking forward to your fitz read.
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #105) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:38 am

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In post 1440, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1255, Srceenplay wrote:Do you guys have day talk? I don't.
What prompted this post?
I'd like this to be answered still, too.
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #106) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:40 am

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In post 1457, Srceenplay wrote:I was being a sarcastic smart ass.
Asking scum if scum had day PT.
Do you know what made you think to say it? Seems pretty LAMISTy

It's confusing to see town say, "I don't." Confusing how that thought would even enter your mind.
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #107) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:31 am

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Una - how has your read on Srceenplay developed, if at all, since you last weighed in on him?
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #108) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:33 am

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In post 1374, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 1367, LlamaFluff wrote:
Vote Count

havingfitz (3) - Mulch, Tchill13, UnaBombaH
PantherPunt (2) - Lucky2u, Srceenplay
UnaBombaH (1) - havingfitz
Elena Fischer (1) - PantherPunt

Not Voting (1) - Elena Fischer

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

havingfitz is V/LA through October 8th

Deadline for Day Three is October 17th, 6:30AM PST. In (expired on 2017-10-17 06:30:00)
ok let's talk folks. 3 of you on havingfitz. why? where do we go from here?
counter-question: do you have a 'why not'? or are you just asking for a reason from the voters? have you read fitz? it's a quick and easy read
In post 1464, Lucky2u wrote:VOTE: unabombah

I'm going to do a completely 180 here. this is a good lynch today.
Why do you think una is scum?
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #109) » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:36 am

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In post 1372, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 405, Srceenplay wrote:I'm ok with suspicion on dunk
mulch
and tic for now.
0
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3 friend I would ask what made you felt this way but given we're a lot of days in I assume these reads have changed
are you hardclearing mulch for vedith-cd interaction?
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #110) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:59 am

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In post 1475, Mulch wrote: I think Lucky is being very towny.
Gonna need sources cited here.
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #111) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:39 am

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In post 1482, Srceenplay wrote:I don't see nothing bad around the ghost lynch. He was against it. Had him as a town read.
Can't scum read him for just having bad read.
I suppose you could for his reasoning to Town read him. I'm might glance at that thought tomorrow.
So while I consider the possibility that screenplay could be town (who I have a major problem with playstyle-wise)

This doesn't do much to dispel my screenplay/fitz s/s thoughts

Nice and lightly defended with a bit of a hedged statement leaving the door open to 'glance at that tomorrow' and change mind.
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Post Post #1495 (isolation #112) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:35 am

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In post 1491, havingfitz wrote:@Panther...you read me as scum? If so how so?
I wasn't, no. It didn't really come into play until I was going through who made sense as Screen's partner (if there is one) and you just made the most sense by a sizable margin.

Here are the notes I have on you from a cursory read-through on 9/20.

just a gut read town as it seems like he is spending little pieces of time reading players and coming to a conclusion
not forcing reasoning behind his conclusions (BUT they ARE all light town reads so meh)
minor inconsistency in that he initially said he was suspect of chill and tictac and kinda let tictac fall by the wayside in subsequent reads (scum try to be more consistent)
unless he is scum with tictac
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #113) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:38 am

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and I am kind of considering tictac slot to be IC'd from that whole "green vs. no green" line he went down. that's just never ever ever ever ever ever scum

[for my haters...I was calling him gut scum read with no substantiation for a while, and I also thought Elena's derp on creature was scum-motivated, but I'm effectively wiping that out as a potential lynch candidate, which would be a super -EV move more me if I were scum. feel free to disregard this if that fits your agenda better]
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Post Post #1501 (isolation #114) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:41 am

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In post 1496, Mulch wrote:
In post 1489, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1475, Mulch wrote: I think Lucky is being very towny.
Gonna need sources cited here.
is not said by scum often
that's "very towny"

to say they are flipping a town read to a scum read?

scum don't do that often? you mean you haven't seen scum give a townread, see people scumreading the slot, and then decide that they want to flip to a scumread to get a mislynch? you haven't seen that?

I'm not saying one thing or another about lucky here. I'm saying your assessment is at best, horribad, and at worst, scummy. you've been pinging the shit out of me but I keep ignoring if purely based on cd's side of the cd/vedith shit. you're an annoying read bc you being scummy and nonsensical is more fitting to your town meta than your scum meta but I'm always cautiously waiting for players who fit that mold to just decide to start open wolfing one time and see everyone write it off as town meta
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #115) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:42 am

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In post 618, tictac wrote:
In post 601, Srceenplay wrote:Well, I'm definitely flipping town. My role card was greenish. The hue was a little off but that's the mods fault not mine.
Whoo :D

My role-card is uncolored.
Llama is lazy and this is a lie.
VOTE: Screen
In post 619, tictac wrote:
In post 616, tictac wrote:
In post 603, pisskop wrote:well crap.

I guess Im on a vanity wagon then.
vote Chill
.
vote Screen
In post 620, tictac wrote:Should have used that to gambit for more..
My bad :/
In post 622, tictac wrote:
In post 621, Srceenplay wrote:So your not green?
That is indeed the case.
I don't think there are green PMs in this game.
In post 644, tictac wrote:
In post 618, tictac wrote:
In post 601, Srceenplay wrote:Well, I'm definitely flipping town. My role card was greenish. The hue was a little off but that's the mods fault not mine.
Whoo :D

My role-card is uncolored.
Llama is lazy and this is a lie.
VOTE: Screen
Hokay. Looks like this is convincing to no-one.
That is not at all what I expected.
Can someone please tell me where I'm going wrong?
this, mulch

scum make this string of posts exactly never
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #116) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:44 am

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In post 1492, Srceenplay wrote:You say that you will consider me possible Town and then proceed to shade.

Tell you what.
You vote Una and I will unvote you.
quit saying 'shade' like it's scummy. this is a game of casing people - you can't call legitimate points shade. did you or did you not soften your read by saying it was up for review? can that or can that not be scummy? it's up to you to defend against the point or otherwise just exemplify and exude towniness.

and no, I won't vote una. I think he's town. that's a very unpopular opinion, it would seem, so maybe I'll lay out my town case and then you can talk about your "feels" on why he is scum
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Post Post #1504 (isolation #117) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:46 am

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these are the notes I had for una but I kinda just didn't take notes after getting to a certain comfort level in ISO. gonna dive back in and I'll assemble a fuller set of thoughts
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I like 364 from a tonal standpoint; not overreacting
like exchange with bbt in 463-469 and think his side of it (not BBTs) probably makes them not w/w
like 535
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Post Post #1506 (isolation #118) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:48 am

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quick read list:
tictac/Elena Fisher - never voting
mulch - highly likely town

tchill
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both towny with a caveat that they make level 0 sense to be scum partners, but on the macro holistic read-level, they're probably just town

think that scum are in here
fitz
lucky (BBT)
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Post Post #1508 (isolation #119) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:49 am

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In post 1505, Mulch wrote:Ok I'm sold I don't think Una slot is scum
how come?

just want to make sure you're not confusing the tictac "green thing" with being from una
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #120) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:49 am

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lol k
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Post Post #1512 (isolation #121) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:07 am

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I don't really get and that made me think it was scummy at first
makes me think he is unlikely scum with BBT (further by -469)
does seem a bit odd in the high level of confidence he seemingly has in a Mulch=town read that early in the game
is a level-headed enough explanation for 348
has some nice nuance to noticing dunker case on cd is more in-depth than meta experience would dictate; level-headed thought to not just scumread him for that (and we know he was town, so if una was scum, he could have easily/convincingly used it as a point to scumread him)
BBT looks scummy in quoted posts of and as he is shading una for not joining Dunk wagon; they're never w/w
decent nuance to the thought if it is fake (would not expect from "newer" player); referencing a derailing wagon if dunk is scum (he wasn't, neither was pisskop)
shows mistrust of players softly pushing for his lynch, which town players feel and scum players don't tend to frame this way, they either hard attack or ignore/hard townread back/pocket
another hard perspective to fake as scum (talking about easy mislynch on cd at first and then dunk becoming new target after that stalled)
is a fair thought to worry about a wagon that two strong scumreads are on; I think a scumbro would be unlikely to hard defend a bro so staunchly/blatantly; powerscumming is too scary for beginners IME
"If ghots flips town (I honestly believe he will)" is a hard thing to post as scum. If you don't think so, you haven't played much mafia
still talking about it being a town flip; scum just don't do this
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Post Post #1514 (isolation #122) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:11 am

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if srceenplay is town, I think the team is probably fitz and BBT(lucky)

esp considering lucky
1) called una town based on his ISO
2) wanted to lynch me without any 'why'
2a) tried to talk people away from fitz lynch and onto my lynch (why? good question, he didn't say why fitz is town)
3) and now is saying that he is flipping his una read to a scum read and VOTE
4) while also saying that he read fitz, scum leans him, but wants to lynch una

who is staunchly opposed to lynching lucky2u/BBT and why?
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #123) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:12 am

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In post 1513, Mulch wrote:What do you mean with ??
it's hard for scum to say that they think one wagon is probably the mislynch wagon that scum want in favor of another wagon, when both of those wagons are actually just town wagons

he didn't need to be deliberating on that thought / imo wouldn't think to show that 'fake' thought as scum, because it's a hard thought to fake when you're looking at town/town wagons on the lynchblock
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #124) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:10 am

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In post 1518, Srceenplay wrote: How does you fitz thought process work all of this out. It looks like it's randomly jumping around now.
I don't have anything that is really pointing me to scumread him. In fact, I like a few light things.

But the townreads I have, I feel good about, so he is basically in POE-land of not towny enough to eclipse 4 others, so therefore he is in the upper part of my bottom half of read list - might be scum.
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Post Post #1524 (isolation #125) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:11 am

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In post 1519, Lucky2u wrote:I think this is where I am at now.

Town:
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-Panther
-Una

In 12 player setup, still unsure we are even looking for a team. But I am ok with a Una panther team. Mulch has me kind of worried for reading my 180 as town, the way I did it should probably have pinged nothing or pinged scum. I'm not over all worried about it though since one interaction does not condemn a person. Fitz looks more town to me then before after the last few posts.i don't think I'll end today there.
So have you read the whole game?

And if you see my read list, I obviously fall into the category of "I think you're far off"

but I have you as a leading scum candidate, so that part can be held aside.

Why is screen top town for you?

What is the basis for your scumread on me?
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Post Post #1525 (isolation #126) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:12 am

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In post 1522, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1471, Srceenplay wrote:Lucky and Elena, who do yo think fits well with una?

Elena, are you all the way caught up? Anyone high up town for you and/or definite scum for you?
Yes I am all caught up! I'd like to vote in fliz/Unba today those are the 2 people I feel most confident will flip scum I don't see myself voting Lucky anytime soon he's my top townread everyone else has certain levels of towny to them if you have a question on someone feel free to ask I know I didn't post a huge catch up but I am 100% caught up
How did lucky/bbt end up as your top townread?
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #127) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:13 am

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In post 1348, Elena Fisher wrote:Hm already 2 pages in and it seems interesting given this was a wagon on scum, Early townread on BBT given I don't see why he has to call out his partner like this and light sr on screen cause this interaction here:
In post 29, Srceenplay wrote:Tired of your shit.
VOTE: vedith
That's hammer.
In post 30, Vedith wrote:OMG I was scum!
GG TOWN
GL SCUM BUDDIES!
Feels a bit forced to me more so on Vedith side but still worth noting
In post 60, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:UNVOTE:

You're a real dick.
Yeah I think I'm good for calling BBT town at the moment
This is the constitution of your top townread?
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Post Post #1534 (isolation #128) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:24 am

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If and when I die please please please kill the living shit out of lucky(bbt)

Ignore whatever you think you know about interactions/votes/etc

That's the most narrative-y writing I've seen in a good year at least

Sheeping the dead not always play #1, but you all have to get on board for this one
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #129) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:36 am

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In post 1529, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 1524, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1519, Lucky2u wrote:I think this is where I am at now.

Town:
-Lucky2u -screen
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-Elena
-Mulch
-Fitz
-Tchill
-Panther
-Una

In 12 player setup, still unsure we are even looking for a team. But I am ok with a Una panther team. Mulch has me kind of worried for reading my 180 as town, the way I did it should probably have pinged nothing or pinged scum. I'm not over all worried about it though since one interaction does not condemn a person. Fitz looks more town to me then before after the last few posts.i don't think I'll end today there.
So have you read the whole game?

And if you see my read list, I obviously fall into the category of "I think you're far off"

but I have you as a leading scum candidate, so that part can be held aside.

Why is screen top town for you?

What is the basis for your scumread on me?
I don't think we need to explain in too much detail about why we scum read each other. There is zero chance we share a PT. I'll sum it up for you though to give you and everyone else an idea of where I am at after reading day 2 again and paying attention to the interactions. Morality secured the Ghostlin lynch by throwing his towniness behind it. His last reads were that he was going to go after Una, your likely other scum partner who you haven't voted for today because you don't want to bus your last hope. You killed morality because you saw him as the biggest threat of organizing the players on Ghostlin's wagon before your scummy "hammer" and rolling that wagon on over Una and yourself the next day. I see your attacks on screen and myself as a way to undermine that possible town momentum.

Screen is super town, none of the cases you have made against him have swayed me in the slightest. Is there even anyone else that scum reads him right now?
lol seriously read that "you killed morality because.." sentence and tell me how that isn't just a story he wrote
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Post Post #1536 (isolation #130) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:38 am

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Also, if this game is lost to mulch at some point, you're a pussy for avoiding this game
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #131) » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:45 am

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VOTE: lucky2u

This is the lynch
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #132) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:56 am

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In post 1557, Srceenplay wrote:I’m ok with una or Panther.
Any talk of a different wagon isderailing the momentum of town.
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #133) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:57 am

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if people are that bad that they won't consider a lynch bc everyone has been sitting on votes of other people, then fine, enjoy losing

I'll vote fitz over una if it comes down to it
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #134) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:32 am

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In post 1561, Srceenplay wrote:I don’t recall anything that gives reasoning for fitz or lucky.
I do recall reason to vote una or Panther.
With only a day left I don’t see the point of just putting a vote anywhere else especially with no case or discussion.

Again Panther or una are the lynches.
Anyone still voting elsewhere should explain why or move their vote.
You aren't the captain.

I'm town.

Una appears to be town. I've laid this out.

My wolf pool is based on POE.

lucky is a wolf. vote lucky.

or tell me why he is blindingly town? This goes for elena too.
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Post Post #1586 (isolation #135) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:05 am

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In post 1563, Lucky2u wrote:The fact that you think there is doubt my slot is town is my only explanation as to why I am still alive. So thank you for that.
This is a genuine wolfslip ladies and gentlemen. I wish I was here before the deadline to call it out then.

Lucky has me as his strongest wolf read.

Yet in this post, he says that MY SUSPICION on him is the only thing that's keeping him from being nightkilled.

Does not compute.

He thought making that post would make him look towny - referencing the NK and why he isn't it - but he ended up making a perspective slip. Because he should think that I'm mafia who is part of making the nightkill, but fucks up and says that my attention paid to him is preventing him from dying because mafia think he is a potential lynch.

Guy is mafia.
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #136) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:07 am

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Also, told you bitchasses on Una.
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #137) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:08 am

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And I am never the designated "claim first" person here. I should be the fucking thread captain now. But it doesn't matter really bc I'm vt.

I just want this horrible no-fun game on this shitbag site to be over
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #138) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:52 am

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In post 1589, havingfitz wrote:Damn you're a whiney bitch Panther.
not cool

and calling Una a bad player is also dickish, baseless, and uncalled for
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Post Post #1599 (isolation #139) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:20 am

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In post 1597, havingfitz wrote:Try practicing what you preach
I'm not going to continue the conversation further, but calling the collective playerlist something vs an individual person directly are two different things.

And I can understand your perspective on Mulch, but we know each other elsewhere and I knew/know that he wouldn't have any issue with that.
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Post Post #1600 (isolation #140) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:22 am

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In case you it isn't standard operating procedure here, when you claim your role (if PR) you need to claim all nights actions and results as well.
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #141) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:13 am

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welp I guess the claim is real since mountainous with these numbers would be horribly unbalanced

that being said, I'm pretty set on that tictac green rant coming from a town

which makes the team fitz and mulch...which actually makes a little bit of sense as I look at a couple of things:

-mulch basically stopped playing the game for a long time while riding the towncred of vedith vs. cd
-fitz getting mad about me saying mulch is a pussy for not playing if scum
-mulch going for the elena pocket right now by calling her super town and relying on srceenplay/lucky to always vote me over him

the only counterpoint really is the vedith vs. cd thing, which if I was to believe was genuine, would mean elena has to be scum
and I think it's way more likely that vedith/cd was scum theater than tictac having faked that 'green' gotcha on srceen

so in all worlds fitz is always the right lynch here and pretty much guaranteed to be scum

and if I had to guess, it'll come down to lucky (but one of lucky or srceen) to win or lose the game, and I'm not sure how open minded they will be, but I know if we both get a chance to post a lot, he can't fake what'll be real for me
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #142) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:16 am

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so I highly highly doubt anyone is going to be willing to go mulch today for easy fitz cleanup later

which means it'll probably be me vs fitz today

so intent to vote fitz too.
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #143) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:10 am

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In post 1651, Lucky2u wrote:Can I take a quick look here, what's the stance on Fitz around this table? Scum or not scum will suffice.
lock scum
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Post Post #1653 (isolation #144) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:13 am

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In post 1648, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1646, PantherPunt wrote:the only counterpoint really is the vedith vs. cd thing, which if I was to believe was genuine, would mean elena has to be scum
and I think it's way more likely that vedith/cd was scum theater than tictac having faked that 'green' gotcha on srceen
I was thinking this as well
In post 1646, PantherPunt wrote:and if I had to guess, it'll come down to lucky (but one of lucky or srceen) to win or lose the game, and I'm not sure how open minded they will be, but I know if we both get a chance to post a lot, he can't fake what'll be real for me
I plan on allowing as much time as needed so I can change my mind at the last second.
In post 1647, PantherPunt wrote:so I highly highly doubt anyone is going to be willing to go mulch today for easy fitz cleanup later
Why give up on it?
Or
Do you not want him lynched at all?
Well, I didn't think you/lucky would be open to the idea.

If you are, I think it's certainly a bigger scum lynch to get scum mulch here than it is to get scum fitz. But to me, they are the 2 scum, so the order doesn't really matter outside of who I'm up against next day.

It's kind of funny that all town (by virtue of all living players being in relative agreement) are betting the game on Elena being town.
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #145) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:36 am

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In post 1654, Mulch wrote:So it's Fitz and panther. Gg
you ready for the thunderdome bruh?

Spoiler:
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #146) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:37 am

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if we are getting slowrolled by screenplay and lucky then I just blame the mods

it feels mildly like a slowroll
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #147) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:38 am

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VOTE: havingfitz

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Post Post #1701 (isolation #148) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:53 am

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In post 1690, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1677, Mulch wrote:You townread me all game and now just call me scum
fuck off
you obvious and this again is not my fault if the masons take the most obvious scum in the game , likely with panther, and lynch me instead
1. You fuck off you little internet tool.
2. Clearing 2 players as masons changes reads Einstein.
3. You've scum read me the entire game...so we've both been wrong.
4. Fine. VOTE: Mulch
This is too strong to be real

(And I think it would be publically warned against if it was real instead of theater, but that's a mod read and angly, but they brought it upon themselves)

It's these two

They're trying to distance

It's very blatant to me so I hope you guys can see it too
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #149) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:02 am

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In post 1707, Mulch wrote:
In post 1705, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1704, Mulch wrote:
In post 1703, Srceenplay wrote:I’m thinking fitz and mulch
Then vote fitz
Statements like this make me want to vote you first.
You just played with me as scum. Vote me and the game loss is on you
In post 1712, Mulch wrote:If you end up voting me over Panther/Fitz, remember one thing: You lost this game. You are the one who just saw me as scum. You know how I play. You know how I interact. In fact I think you've seen me as scum many times? You know I get townread as scum. YOU KNOW MY TOWN META.


So you are the one who loses this. Games on you, friend.
Keeps hammering this "it will be your fault that other people lose" is something I've seen scum do quite a few times to the point that it's obviously scum to me. Hope you can see the motive in these repeated posts as clearly as I do
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #150) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:08 am

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I'm down to do mulch first
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #151) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:09 am

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In post 1719, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1713, Srceenplay wrote:I think fitz is probably scum.
I'm not scum. I'm town.
Well NOW you say so /s
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #152) » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:52 am

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In post 1743, Mulch wrote:
In post 1741, Srceenplay wrote:I’m waiting for EF
Still have time.
Suck it. I played a great fucking game that's my town meta to a T. I lynch scum. Scum almost lynched me. Right now I'm townread by the entire game (
which means one scum is fake townreading me
). Fitz just made a fucking town case on me.



Go ahead and throw the game
Can you explain how this statement is anything but an accidental scum claim????
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #153) » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:08 am

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I mean I'm pretty stuck on mulch+fitz but am more sure on fitz

despite him seemingly "putting in work" aka typing a bunch of words

game has been going for months and the guy has written more words in his last couple posts than he did over the last two months combined - it's almost like he has perked up as he is close to winning
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #154) » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:47 am

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In post 1790, havingfitz wrote:^ ah...the classic perk tell /s. You can be sum just for suggesting it.

My activity is consitent...across games regardless of alignment. This recently becoming my only game has helped.
I think your scumminess is coming through elsewhere too. Like being in a defend-from-scum-accusations-preemptively mindset. For example, in your one wall, you wrote some parenthetical thing like "now you might say...Aeronut avoided that mislynch wagon."

I think that's a scum mindset whereas a town mindset wouldn't really even go there.

I can't knock you for any of it, it's just transparent to me personally.
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #155) » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:48 am

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In post 1734, havingfitz wrote: Everybody still alive was on the Dunkerdoodle mislynch other than me. So all (assuming 3) 3 scum were the D1 mislynch and therefore it is NAI.
I realize this will be twisted into a "Aeronaut stayed away from the mislynch" negative shade but I'm town so it is what it is.
I could have just went and found it and quoted it....
so now I have.
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #156) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:02 am

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What an ugly turn.
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #157) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:05 am

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In post 1777, Elena Fisher wrote:I have some comments for post-game regardless of certain peoples alignments. I think this is the correct lynch today I would also vote Panther although I want Panther and fitz to come around and gives some more content if they could. I dislike that I got sheeped as the "towny" in the group seemingly out of nowhere and would like that explained.
I also want to see what made fitz tr me over mulch and then that change.
I've touched on this many times. I'm basing the read entirely on the tictac progression where he tried to call out srceenplay over the "green" Pm thing. I don't think scum ever thinks to take that line of attack, even with the 'sample' VT PM in the OP. Enough that I'm actually thinking Vedith vs. cd was theater and Mulch vs. fitz is theater. If I'm wrong, and you're scum, congrats on having an easy endgame.
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #158) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:07 am

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In post 1796, Mulch wrote:
In post 1244, Tchill13 wrote:I'm pretty sure mulch is town here so I'm sleeping him. I feel like una is town too.
He's never misread me
In post 1797, Mulch wrote:Morality townread me too, and he reads me as scum when I'm scum
This is such a bad argument, just so ya know.

Care to share the sample size on each of these? Considering your join date and all...I'm guessing its 1 or 2 for each.
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #159) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:10 am

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In post 1832, Elena Fisher wrote:This is why I don't think Mulch is scum if he is I'm going to avoid any game with him given what has been going on right now
Towny post.

If you're town, I'm afraid I've got some bad (but maybe actually good) news.
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #160) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:40 am

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In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther
In post 1860, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther
In post 1861, havingfitz wrote:Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.
tfw all unconfirmeds call you scum and accidentally clear you
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Post Post #1866 (isolation #161) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:41 am

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mulch + fitz in case you haven't seen me say it 472 times
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Post Post #1867 (isolation #162) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:42 am

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In post 1865, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther
In post 1860, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther
In post 1861, havingfitz wrote:Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.
tfw all unconfirmeds call you scum and accidentally clear you
lol guess I can't really say this fairly to outside objective observers, as all 3 besides fitz are saying fitz is scum

but I'm town so I know it's true for me

and am fairly confident mulch is just bussing fitz, as he tried to get him lynched on unabombah lynch day as well (with ~no explanation)
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #163) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:43 am

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In post 1867, PantherPunt wrote:as he tried to get him lynched on unabombah lynch day as well (with ~no explanation)
edit

he didn't try to get him lynched

he just voted him and afk'd most of the entire day and hoped una got lynched with him sideline voting his bro
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #164) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:46 am

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In post 1302, Mulch wrote:VOTE: havingfitz


One down Boyz
In post 1382, Mulch wrote:I'm going to be honest with you, I completely forgot this game existed lmfao
In post 1384, Mulch wrote:When you are prodded and it's 50 posts :lol: :lol:
In post 1390, Mulch wrote:I was voting fitz cause he pinged me on the ghostlin lynch
In post 1475, Mulch wrote:Fitz is still the most scummy imo. I think Lucky is being very towny. Panther you weirded me out with that self vote but I guess I can understand it... I am getting scum/scum tingles from Panther/Screen... but otherwise Screen is villagery esp considering his meta, and panther is slight town.
In post 1477, Mulch wrote:
In post 1476, Srceenplay wrote:I just read fitz ISO tonight. I didn't notice anything scumy. Have you seen anything or just have the feels?
Mostly feels, however they felt extra scummy around the Ghost lynch, and they had a few recent posts that felt scummy too
In post 1571, Mulch wrote:I have no time to commit to this game, I'm really sorry.

Ok, 10 hours.

VOTE: Una

Hope this hits red. Good luck
I skipped some other baseless "scum reads" made on fitz, but ya this is pretty transparent imo
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Post Post #1874 (isolation #165) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:35 am

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In post 1872, Cabd wrote:
In post 1865, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther
In post 1860, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther
In post 1861, havingfitz wrote:Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.
tfw all unconfirmeds call you scum and accidentally clear you
Explain (elaborate) like I'm 5.
I kind of recanted in the following post when I stepped out of my POV and into an objective third party POV.

But I was saying that since all 3 of the other unconfirmed players are saying I'm a part of their scum team, it makes me town, because it means both scum in the trio want me lynched (which is objectively true from my POV).

I recanted because fitz fits the same qualifier - being on the other 3 players' projected scum team. So objectively, I can't say it should "clear" me to you masons, because it would mean you should clear fitz too and the resultant scum team is Mulch and Elena. But I believe Elena is town, mostly by way of their predecessor, tictac, but in part from Elena too. So I think Mulch is bussing fitz when calling him scum.

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Post Post #1875 (isolation #166) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:35 am

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Post Post #1879 (isolation #167) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:54 am

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In post 1878, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1877, Cabd wrote:
In post 1876, Elena Fisher wrote:top-DAM IT
Why do you think me knowing your main is important this game, and what made you sign up as your alt?
Because you haven't misread me once (I believe) and I sign up on this alt every once in a bit as my try hard account.
is this already outed? for my own curiosity
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Post Post #1880 (isolation #168) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:58 am

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In post 1878, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1877, Cabd wrote:
In post 1876, Elena Fisher wrote:top-DAM IT
Why do you think me knowing your main is important this game, and what made you sign up as your alt?
Because you haven't misread me once (I believe) and I sign up on this alt every once in a bit as my try hard account.
I knew I'd seen you at some point.

You were scum here and endgamed srceenplay, so he knows you at least a little bit
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Post Post #1881 (isolation #169) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:58 am

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well, you didn't endgame him, but he got endgamed, and you were scum
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Post Post #1894 (isolation #170) » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:10 am

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In post 1883, Srceenplay wrote:Do you think that scum game compairs to this game?
Would need to reread it and don't really feel any urge to when Elena is my townread.
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Post Post #1895 (isolation #171) » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:14 am

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I keep going back and forth on Mulch fitz who is more guaranteed and optimal first lynch based on potential to be elenas partner. But end up just saying Elena doesn't make much sense for either partner so it doesn't matter which is first, that's the team
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Post Post #1915 (isolation #172) » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:32 am

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In post 1904, Mulch wrote:Do you know I’m never lynched day 1 on Mu?
Do you know it's d4

Do you know this has no relevant significance

Although I feel you on some thoughts....almost to the point it feels like you're mimicking me but ya
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Post Post #1916 (isolation #173) » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:35 am

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In post 1913, Srceenplay wrote:
In post 1912, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1897, Srceenplay wrote:VOTE: mulch
What's your read on Elena and was there anything that tipped the scales for you voting Mulch?
Idk
Cabd told me in our pt that mulch is the lynch today. I’m just sheeping
I mean I'm guessing you're masons and not slowrolling everyone

But I don't get the fifty seven mentions of not having day chat/wishing you had day chat, at least two asks of 'do scum have day chat?', and now saying that you're daychatting with cabd

What's the deal
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Post Post #1917 (isolation #174) » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:37 am

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Still think Mulch + fitz so I can do Mulch if the nodaychatbutactuallydaychat masons are set on it
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Post Post #1931 (isolation #175) » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:01 am

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"100% town" goes into my collection of favorite scum phrasings
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #176) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:00 am

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Mulch - you won't vote fitz?

refresh me on where you're at with your reads
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #177) » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:02 am

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In post 1914, Mulch wrote:I’m not posting at all for the entirety of this game day except to hammer fitz or panther whichever comes first.

Gl!!
oh you only want to be hammer

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Post Post #1958 (isolation #178) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:13 pm

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VOTE: mulch

only 2 huh gg

Good try vedith and cd
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #179) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:15 pm

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UNVOTE: mulch

No rush I guess I'll do the due diligence
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #180) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:10 am

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In post 1960, Mulch wrote:
In post 1958, PantherPunt wrote:VOTE: mulch

only 2 huh gg

Good try vedith and cd
HAHAHAH with two scum you think vedith bus me , have me killed, and then have him with a vigilante claim which he don’t exist and he will get killed the next day?

Vote me and scum claim
This is completely from a scum perspective and it's obvious (only to me apparently, and lucky for you).

When you're trying to pretend to be town, you have to remember to keep your perspective man. You don't take a situation like this (on living scum) and defend yourself with a "I wouldn't" argument directly TO the person you're trying to convince others is the living scum. It's blatant that you're talking to someone you think is town, but it belies your "stance" that I'm scum. Just a pro tip for the future.

We got people talking about me being scum for hammering ghostin though so you're probably going to win.
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #181) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:10 am

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One* living scum

Typo fix
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #182) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:14 am

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VOTE: mulch

Game is in the hands of two people who have declared intent to vote me so this is a long shot but I'm out of patience and nodbody seems to want to talk or play anymore
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #183) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:17 am

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Oh, and - cabd dies...Who was the biggest threat to vote Mulch.

if you guys decide to vote me, only request is that you own it and don't play the "well it was his fault" game. Either way I'll be glad to be freed of the game and the upside down meta here
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #184) » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:05 am

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In post 1972, Mulch wrote:Your
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #185) » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:14 am

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Town loss

Good riddance
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #186) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:50 am

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I think cd's replacement was strategic and meant to look like he couldn't stand vedith. I'd have to go back and look at it again, but that's another case of an angleshot that's outside the spirit of the game imo.
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