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jingle you should have figured out in town by now. anti would have gotten it. also how would know if there's masons?
was gonna vote skitter for being skittish ( ) but the more i think about it the jumpiness is more of a town tell imo, especially with that joindate. unless alt. but meh...
hi flubber!! hi wicked!! i've missed this game.
@two - what town *should* do and what townies *actually* do are unfortunately completely different things.
jingle convince me who is scum.
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ew...In post 49, Awoo wrote:Sorry for the delay, I've been running a lot of simulations and smartilligent statistical anal,ysis to try to formulate some interneural pre-reads and I'm pleased to announce that the next person to post is going to be confirmed town! Discuss.
VOTE: taiho <-- Good vote, not random
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what about when it garners good reactions, like yours? if there were 20 pages instead of 2, i'd probably agree with you more.
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what the shit is this and why did it not get addressed?
VOTE: UCV
i'll get you later awoo. unfortunately i can only lynch one scum a day *sigh*
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awoo vote is general feeling of forced entry. icky post was icky.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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hiya jingle! so glad you're here. i don't like your angling at me. stop it. ask me real questions if you're actually trying to get a read instead of just trying to make it seem like you have reasons to scimread me.
i don't know who tai is voting. i was responding to two's statement that voting without a reason isn't a thing town should do. i'm trying to inject some wisdom and sanity here k? it's the least we oldies can do.
noted on what's the person. skitter. that means they should be fairly easy to read if scum, yes?
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i don't get what you're saying to me.In post 62, Jingle wrote:In post 56, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:what the shit is this and why did it not get addressed?
VOTE: UCV
i'll get you later awoo. unfortunately i can only lynch one scum a day *sigh*
p: yeah but whyyy flubberrrrr
awoo vote is general feeling of forced entry. icky post was icky.
In order...
Trolly site chat newbie and yeah, forced entry into a game is icky, but this is after me being all cryptic mastin 1.0 all over the thread and you know better.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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FLUBBERNATER2000....In post 55, Flubbernugget wrote:I just didn't think jingle was scum anymore and had to go somewhere else
I'm not seeing what you're seeing with awoo
1) what changed your mind about jingle?
1.5) what made you think jingle was scum to begin with?
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In post 61, Dunkerdoodles wrote:everyone that's posted on this page is town
why are you copying me? what happened to your wicked read? FLUBBER MY FRIEND... please explain the things.In post 59, Flubbernugget wrote:etl I assume we all missed it for the same reason you did but it looks like a good thing to make them squirm
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so, you're reading me based on how you think i should be reading you playing in the style of someone else?In post 70, Jingle wrote:UC Voyager is pretty null. Think Lucky2U or Who. Wouldn't be surprised by a Jester flip there in a game I was modding that had no Jesters. Not a TERRIBLE vote, but I expect more gooder from you.
I'm being all cryptic and mastin-y, but old school mastin-y before she got pulled out of her raging egomania and people who don't know that don't enter the game naturally at all. It's like looking at Page 2 of a game where me and TTH have been reciting erotic poetry to each other and saying the awkward post is scum because it's awkward. And you know better than that. You know how people respond to mastin better than anyone.
i'm already confused by you shtick. all i got out of that was "here's a long winded defense of someone else's post."Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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think so? it looked like he was trying and failing to be snarky while at the same time avoiding voting anyone.In post 74, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ucv is hard nullArt is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
appeal to authority.In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.
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JINGLE. WICKED. YALL. IVE LEGIT FOUND THE FIRST REAL SCUM. Check Two's tone in this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72708
other town games readily available as well.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
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nope. just annoyed that you tried to correct me on something that you're completely wrong about. it doesn't matter whether you said it was because he didn't have a reason. i tried to start a discussion with you about that and instead you went straight to being an irritating arrogant newbie.In post 80, TwoInAMillion wrote:
That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
appeal to authority.In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.
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do something worthwhile.
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instead of looking for things to question, you're looking for things to use against a person. huge difference.In post 84, TwoInAMillion wrote:How is it different? I'm not obligated to have the same "tone" every game.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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show me where i pushed anyone around. show me where i refused to wagon someone. show me where i used my vet status to support reasoning. show me where i asked anyone to sheep me.In post 86, TwoInAMillion wrote:
That's because your refusal to wagon a bad vote made me scum read you. You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.In post 83, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
nope. just annoyed that you tried to correct me on something that you're completely wrong about. it doesn't matter whether you said it was because he didn't have a reason. i tried to start a discussion with you about that and instead you went straight to being an irritating arrogant newbie.In post 80, TwoInAMillion wrote:
That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
appeal to authority.In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.
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i didn't...? i offered an alternate view in hopes you would counter it with a logical explanation of your reasoning. instead, you attacked when questioned. not good.In post 93, TwoInAMillion wrote:
When you supported the non reasoned vote.In post 90, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:don't be mad at me just because you've been wrong in pretty much all of your posts this page.
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you and i might have different definitions of scummy. i didn't get that vibe from his twin games where he asked loads of questions, gave straight forward answers when questioned. none of this misplaced arrogance and hostility without any actual questioning going on.
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because i've determined that you're town.In post 99, Flubbernugget wrote:I'm also surprised you're up and down a new guy's tone yet haven't said anything about me. I've had a shift after a job change a lot of older players immediately picked up on.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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In post 102, Awoo wrote:General question, how often making a dumb move like self voting in RVS is an actual scumtell as opposed to a weird/noob playstyle tell?
i don't have figure but a rough guess is more often than not. see my explanation to flubber. it's not strong.
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Close, but not quite a real point. ETL, your reasoning has been weak as hell so far on every vote you've made. What I've seen from you so far is just a string of easy to make votes that you can later point to as "aggressive townplay" as scum. What is your motivation for this? More importantly, if you are town, what have you learned from this chain of votes?2million wrote:You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.
my first vote was to one of my closest friends - rvs. then you because i didn't like the post. it happened when the post happened. then i reread the first page and spotted uvc post which was even grosser than yours. changed my vote because i felt i had a stronger feeling there. then this exchange with two prompted me to go check his other town games to see if maybe i was being bristly on play style rather than actual scumminess coming from him. discovered tone difference, changed my vote, again because it was much stronger than the case against uvc. it sure what to tell you as far as motivation for voting... i'm voting who i think is most likely to be scum. it's how i play. if i change my mind, i change my vote.
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maybe hats what he was saying was mastin-inspired... ? i don't know. i've never been great at reading jingle so i'll let him prove it elsewise i guess. i'm not feeling awesome about him but i don't want to go down that road just yet. i'd like to compare notes with the two of you until something doesn't click and go from there while sorting the people i don't know actively.In post 104, Wickedestjr wrote:
Hey ETL! So glad to (finally) be playing with you again.In post 51, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:hi flubber!! hi wicked!! i've missed this game.
Eh. Not a lot for the first three pages. I kind of liked Dunkerdoodles saying "everyone on this page is town". I think UC's entrance felt kind of townish to me too, if anything - felt slightly relaxed/fearless. I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.ETL wrote:wicked, what do you think on two-ish pages?Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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who's pushing people around now?In post 109, TwoInAMillion wrote:
Good, then put your vote where it belongs.In post 107, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:two that's a false dichotomy. aggressive doesn't equal town and it doesn't equal scum. i'm not voting you for being aggressive.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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i think you meant to say "spam the ever loving heck out of the thread". i'm gonna apologize in advance. i'm a very free flowing communicator. i post as i think of things, or as i get things to respond to. i can do wall posts when necessary like catching up but not really my style unless i'm trying super hard to prove a point. also i'm probably gonna be posting from mobile for most of this game, which isn't really conducive to super long posts.In post 108, Dunkerdoodles wrote:something tells me ETL is going to carry if he's town
i'll try to reign it in some. but i'm excited to be here.
p: "we can be friends if you don't disagree with me"
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poke him some more and see what falls outIn post 114, Dunkerdoodles wrote:btw i'll gladly lynch tiam but i don't know if he's scum
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why ya gotta go kill my first town read man....In post 127, Flubbernugget wrote:
If I straight up admitted my vote was rvs it would have never rocked the bushes, no?In post 123, Wickedestjr wrote:It didn't sound at all random... By disagreeing with Jingle town reading me, that seems to imply you had some reason for thinking I might be scum.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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WHAT THINGS?!In post 116, Jingle wrote:Ooh, etl saw the things. Good.
Jingle I like this. Why don't you?In post 117, skitter30 wrote:I was asking about the Dunker/Wicked/Flubber votes cuz I thought it was odd that you were townreading Dunker and nullreading Flubber for making literally the same post right after each other, but I'm seeing that you are familiar with Wicked/ETL/Flubber so I'm now getting why you had a different reaction to the same post made by different people.
I would have to disagree. There's something to be said for people going after "low hanging fruit" as it were, but in the RVS-gamemode transition, that's all you've got.skitter wrote:I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.
Also, just because someone is new doesn't mean they are town. I need to scumhunt everyone regardless of how new or old they are. Saying this is equivalent to saying, "He's been around this site for ages and ages, obviously he's big bad and scary, so let's lynch him."
I feel pretty strongly about Two at the moment. Unless he proves me wrong, or someone else shows me they are more worthy of my vote, it will stay on him.
How is saying that this pings you any different from me disliking UVC's posts or Two's attitude?
Pinging me, dunno why atm, I'll try to figure it out.In post 37, ironstove wrote:Hello, I rolled town again this game.
I think he had a power role in that game which changes the dynamic incredibly. However, the tonal shift isn't as dramatic. In that game, he's still asking questions, with actual question marks...
What do you think about this: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=73333&user_select[]=30239In post 82, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:JINGLE. WICKED. YALL. IVE LEGIT FOUND THE FIRST REAL SCUM. Check Two's tone in this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72708
other town games readily available as well.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
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Why did you select this game? I specifically did not select the PR game because the point is not as clear as it is in his vanilla games. It's like, "I have a good point but I'm going to make sure I present it in the most convoluted way, even though it's salient in all of his other town games."
How well do you know scum!wicked?
This is also kinda ick? You like what you're seeing from him besides for the fact that he thinks he knows your meta? I feel like this is a weird thing to vote someone for, and to *deliberately* keep your vote on someone for, especially when there are sketchier people around and you like what you see from that person otherwise.In post 104, Wickedestjr wrote:I kept my vote on Jingle for a reason - I don't understand his 1000% confidence comment that he made earlier - especially when I feel like I could have easily made those posts as scum. I feel good about everything else I've seen from him, but want him to explain that still. Reading the last page, more then.
But I'm also not sure if scum!wicked would be trying to undermine a townread town!jingle has on him if they apparently have a relationship (like why take this approach instead of buddying him or something?), and I don't think this interaction comes from scumpartners with a prior history with each other.
It's later. Please elaborate on these empty comments.In post 124, Fykus wrote:Sorry for being late.
Skitter might be scum becauae every single game we have together is her as scum.
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I was apologizing for being a spammy thread hog, which is a tendency I have, and which people get mad about in almost all games. It's completely irrelevant to alignment... It's not like I said "If I was scum, I'd be doing this and see looky I'm not" or "I do XYZ as town."In post 141, Flubbernugget wrote:1) You can dismiss literally anything as "that's just how I play"
2) self meta is invalidated by the player being aware of it
3) im sure there's another point that's been rehashed to death that I'm missing
Your particular town read also has the grossness that etl is describing an activity tell, all of which are bad tells.
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Anyone know where Fykus is from? Anyone play with him before?In post 124, Fykus wrote:Sorry for being late.
Skitter might be scum becauae every single game we have together is her as scum.
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This is literally this person's ONLY POST. WTF.In post 37, ironstove wrote:Hello, I rolled town again this game.
HELLO? DO SOMETHING.
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similar != same.In post 152, Awoo wrote:So we find three people in similar situations of low activity. You defend tai, waive nk15, and and call iron disgusting. Care to explain?
For tai, there's at least a few posts, not just one bullshit post with nothing in it. my issue was more with the people acting like this is the best wagon the site has ever seen, and yet there's nothing there? that's a problem for me.
How did I "waive" NK15? I specifically called them out for not even entering the thread.
iron's post is disgusting. It's not even a vote. Nor a greeting of any kind. It's straight uncomfortable, awkward, LAMIST-y nonsense. And he never came back. It makes the slot unreadable, and that's frustrating to me. "disgusting" applies to UVC too.
for fykus, at least, there was a greeting, and it wasn't some flippant nonsense. it felt more genuine than iron's, but he still needs to get in here and do things.
NK15 hasn't said a single word so I have literally nothing to go on - could just be a total flake, in which case, totally not alignment indicative. could just be someone who only visits once every other day or so. again, NAI. I can't say anything about the slot, because there's nothing happening there.
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nevermind apparently it's just TiaM? Why does it feel like there's a lot more pushing of taiho than the votes suggest?In post 153, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:my issue was more with the people acting like this is the best wagon the site has ever seen, and yet there's nothing there? that's a problem for me.
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skitter has fewer posts than tai, and yet waaaaaaaaay more content to review.
*sigh*
here's where i'm at for the moment. i should really get back to work. end of the fiscal year and all that. i guess i'll be back later tonight or tomorrow
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feels town, but are they? awoo, skitter
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OHHHHHHHHH MY GOOOOOODDDDDD.....In post 161, UC Voyager wrote:ok... i honestly dont want to read everything so i will try to make points with whatever people say after this or things i see scroll backwordsArt is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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If you agree, show me with your vote. Otherwise, I would greatly appreciate some insight to your current skitter vote.In post 160, Jingle wrote:Glad we can agree on 2000000 though.
p-edit: UCV, I have a full time job and go to school full time, so that's really no excuse to come in here and flat out say you have no intention of even reading what we're all talking about, and yet have the nerve to think you'd be able to just jump in and have anything worthwhile to add to the conversation that's been going on for the last few pages... I've been able to contribute. It's 5 pages, not 50.
I don't have any obligation to let you slide for that, so, do what you will but don't expect me to be ok with you being lazy on page fucking 7.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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.... why is it the worst post in the game?In post 27, skitter30 wrote:
I'm kinda wondering why you think 'DD and Wicked are probs town' here but didn't say anything about FlubberIn post 15, Jingle wrote:DD and Wicked are probs town, btw.
Apparently I should've voted for you to be townread by you too lolIn post 19, Jingle wrote:skitter probs scum.
I don't know what you're smoking. I think you are flat out wrong.Art is cool.- EspeciallyTheLies
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