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Post Post #36 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:08 pm

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I'm a fan of double wagons day 1
VOTE: Fykus
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Post Post #41 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:27 pm

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I'm not a fan of voting someone without a good reason.

VOTE: Taiho
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Post Post #43 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:35 pm

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Let's wagon Taiho!
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Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:39 pm

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You don't think reasoning is important in a mafia game?
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Post Post #48 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:54 pm

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Cause it's opposite of what town should do.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:52 pm

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In post 66, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:oh right. omgus vote at tai.
Read the definition of an omgus.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:54 pm

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In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.

p: is this kid really trying to school me on mafia? :lol:
appeal to authority.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:58 pm

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In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.

p: is this kid really trying to school me on mafia? :lol:
appeal to authority.
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.
That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:04 pm

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How is it different? I'm not obligated to have the same "tone" every game.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:06 pm

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In post 83, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 80, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.

p: is this kid really trying to school me on mafia? :lol:
appeal to authority.
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.
That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.
nope. just annoyed that you tried to correct me on something that you're completely wrong about. it doesn't matter whether you said it was because he didn't have a reason. i tried to start a discussion with you about that and instead you went straight to being an irritating arrogant newbie.
That's because your refusal to wagon a bad vote made me scum read you. You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:09 pm

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In post 87, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 84, TwoInAMillion wrote:How is it different? I'm not obligated to have the same "tone" every game.
instead of looking for things to question, you're looking for things to use against a person. huge difference.
I'm not looking. You're the one that made the poor play.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:11 pm

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In post 90, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:don't be mad at me just because you've been wrong in pretty much all of your posts this page.

p: again, show me. explain why it's a "poor play".
When you supported the non reasoned vote.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:11 pm

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In post 92, Dunkerdoodles wrote:two is scummy as town
and i mean super scummy as town
By super scummy he means I challenge the status quo.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:14 pm

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In post 96, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 93, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 90, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:don't be mad at me just because you've been wrong in pretty much all of your posts this page.

p: again, show me. explain why it's a "poor play".
When you supported the non reasoned vote.
i didn't...? i offered an alternate view in hopes you would counter it with a logical explanation of your reasoning. instead, you attacked when questioned. not good.
I thought I was self explanatory. That's like asking why democracy is better than a dictatorship.
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Post Post #100 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:15 pm

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In post 98, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 92, Dunkerdoodles wrote:two is scummy as town
and i mean super scummy as town
you and i might have different definitions of scummy. i didn't get that vibe from his twin games where he asked loads of questions, gave straight forward answers when questioned. none of this misplaced arrogance and hostility without any actual questioning going on.
I'm kind of in a bad mood right now for other reasons, I'll admit.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:24 pm

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In post 102, Awoo wrote:General question, how often making a dumb move like self voting in RVS is an actual scumtell as opposed to a weird/noob playstyle tell?

PEDIT:
2million wrote:You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.
Close, but not quite a real point. ETL, your reasoning has been weak as hell so far on every vote you've made. What I've seen from you so far is just a string of easy to make votes that you can later point to as "aggressive townplay" as scum. What is your motivation for this? More importantly, if you are town, what have you learned from this chain of votes?

PEDIT: I cant post because everyone keeps posting, literally unplayable

I don't see anything wrong with being aggressive. I have a history in my games of being town, and being town read, so I know what I need to do to catch scum. There is no downside to being aggressive early unless you are scum.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:28 pm

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In post 107, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:two that's a false dichotomy. aggressive doesn't equal town and it doesn't equal scum. i'm not voting you for being aggressive.
Good, then put your vote where it belongs.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:31 pm

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In post 111, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 109, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 107, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:two that's a false dichotomy. aggressive doesn't equal town and it doesn't equal scum. i'm not voting you for being aggressive.
Good, then put your vote where it belongs.
who's pushing people around now?
Just saying we can be friends if you stop asking reduntant questions.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:43 pm

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Why do you think I was questioning his logic? Because I was town reading him?
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Post Post #194 (isolation #19) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:37 pm

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VOTE: skitter
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Post Post #204 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:36 pm

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In post 137, Awoo wrote:Oh nice, only one page of ETL accumulated while I slept? This game isn't going to be as hard to read as I thought. I liked ETL's , it feels honest.

I think someone asked why I was voting taiho? One of the people I've got my eye on. I don't like his opening string and I want to see where he goes now that we're game on. I cannot speak for 2mil or his vote.
In post 27, skitter30 wrote:Apparently I should've voted for you to be townread by you too lol
Don't like this particularly, it got my attention.

DD's string this game has been naked early reads. I don't know how easy it is to fake something like that, but ultimately I TR it since he looks like he's having fun.

town.
In post 117, skitter30 wrote:
[a post by 2iam]
is all sorts of ick. Why do you want to form a double wagon on someone who still hasn't posted? Why is this a good thing (you're a fan of it?) and what info would you get out of it? And why on Fykus in particular, out of everyone who only had one vote on them at the time?

Also, I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.
Fence sitting detected. VOTE: skitter30 Like what, he's all sorts of ick, but it's too easy to vote for him? Usually when I (hear this/have done it in the past myself as scum), it's scum worrying about whether or not their target is too "lynchbait-ey" to vote for. Sometimes they make it real obvious and slip the word lynchbait into their post. Since I just read two conflicting statements, what do you think of TIM?
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Post Post #211 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:06 pm

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First of all, I'm not "blatantly new". I'm not playing any sort of newbie card. I have a very good record for the games that I have played.

And second, saying that my posting is "all sorts of ick" and then criticizing my wagoners for being opportunistic is pretty much the definition of fence sitting.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:10 pm

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In post 212, Dunkerdoodles wrote:two in a million
you too could be lock town by not sheeping every wagon
tyvm
I see you as town too.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #23) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:30 pm

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Seems like fence sitting to me. Why not just say if I am scum or town?
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Post Post #225 (isolation #24) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:35 pm

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In post 224, skitter30 wrote:Cuz at the time I wrote that, the closest thing I had to a read on you, as I said earlier, was , which I found to be overly defensive. I could see caught scum saying that if they felt like they were caught for the wrong reasons.

Everything else you posted was similar to your town game or NAI or bad and the cumulative read was very slight scumlean, but close to null, so I wanted you to explain a post that I found interesting (I note that you still haven't) to try to develop a read on you.

This convo, especially your explanation for my vote, is strengthening the scumlean.
I think its more of an omgus tbh.
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Post Post #227 (isolation #25) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:38 pm

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Yeah, I can have a variety of "tones" in my posting, even in my previous games if anyone cared to actually read them. So it's a null point, if not actually a reason to town read me.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #26) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:42 pm

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In post 228, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ok new scummiest tiam post:
town don't want to change their tone. town want to be town read.
scum want to manipulate their tone to sound more towny.
I have no desire to be townread. I get townread in nearly every game I play despite not trying. And I don't "try" to change my tone, my tone has a tendancy to change based on the game state. I tend to be a very engaged player.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #27) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:49 pm

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In post 231, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 229, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 228, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ok new scummiest tiam post:
town don't want to change their tone. town want to be town read.
scum want to manipulate their tone to sound more towny.
I have no desire to be townread. I get townread in nearly every game I play despite not trying. And I don't "try" to change my tone, my tone has a tendancy to change based on the game state. I tend to be a very engaged player.
town's job is to be townread, because it makes scumhunting easier.
also from games i play with you it seems you usually get scumread not townread so that's kinda weird you think you get townread by not trying.
I have 4 finished games. 2 games I was endgamed. 1 game I was scum killed. I've only been lynched in one game. So clearly i get townread enough to avoid being lynched.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #28) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:52 pm

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In post 236, Dunkerdoodles wrote:or maybe you're so bad scum doesn't want to kill you so you can destroy town
So you're going to go with the town-win-despite-me-not-because-of-me argument? I don't think that will be very convincing.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #29) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:54 pm

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Why would scum want to keep me alive if they think I would help town?
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Post Post #243 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:57 pm

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Clearly that wasn't the case considering in the wins I was not nightkilled in and still on I was contributing to most of the scum wagons.
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Post Post #246 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:02 pm

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In post 244, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ok?
and why does this affect this game
Because I am being told my "tone" is scummy and I'm saying its not.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:45 am

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I'm a town neighborizor.
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Post Post #315 (isolation #33) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:47 pm

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People are scumreading me poorly so I think people are overreacting to me in general. I can prove I am a neighborizor. There is of course no way I can prove I am town aside from being investigated so I don't think I deserve to be lynched. My initial push was bad and so was skittles and dunks.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:17 pm

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Then tell me what I am not answering specifically
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Post Post #320 (isolation #35) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:29 pm

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The only reason I would die is to be nightkilled. Lynching me would be a very bad play.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #36) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:32 pm

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Because I am town and deserve to show that I am town through my play. Like I said the pushes on me are poorly thought out.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #37) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:42 pm

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I am fine with neighborizing dunk.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #38) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:36 pm

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Every night I can target either the same or a different person.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #39) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:52 am

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I get a private topic. I target someone at night. And that person is added the next day.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #40) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:54 am

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Unclear from the role pm
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Post Post #345 (isolation #41) » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:38 pm

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In post 342, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 318, TwoInAMillion wrote:Then tell me what I am not answering specifically
I asked you how you expected people to react to your neighborizer claim and you responded by talking about how people were treating you
'in general'
. I asked you how powerful you believe a town neighborizer is which you also didn't seem to answer. :neutral:
In post 320, TwoInAMillion wrote:The only reason I would die is to be nightkilled. Lynching me would be a very bad play.
In post 322, TwoInAMillion wrote:Because I am town and deserve to show that I am town through my play. Like I said the pushes on me are poorly thought out.
Your reason for calling yourself a bad lynch could be applied to anyone. If you're town, show me that my push on you is poorly thought out.
I'm not going to microanalyze how every player will react to my claim.

A town neighborizor is probably below average in power.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #42) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:26 am

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Yeah because it's my fault that the game is slow.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #43) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:04 am

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I'm not any more disengaged than anyone else. Anything I say is misrepresented. People vote on me with no reasoning and get away with it. If anything I am more engaged than the average player in this game.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #44) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:56 am

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Whatever. I'm not going to place anymore effort into defending myself.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #45) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:37 pm

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What do you love so much about iron?
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Post Post #371 (isolation #46) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:32 pm

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In post 369, Dunkerdoodles wrote:that i townread him and we can deal with him later if he's scum
if we lynch him now and he's town we get 0 info
So you think your first impression is usually the best one?
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Post Post #373 (isolation #47) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:51 pm

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VOTE: ucvoyager
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Post Post #378 (isolation #48) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:48 pm

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In post 376, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
In post 373, TwoInAMillion wrote:VOTE: ucvoyager
what is this
Reading is necessary for town to win games. Not wanting to read is an excuse for mafia to be lazy and get away with it.
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Post Post #383 (isolation #49) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:32 pm

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How about that I'm town
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Post Post #386 (isolation #50) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:59 pm

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My scum reads right now are skitter and ucv.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #51) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:05 pm

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Note that Taiho has only posted twice since her "scumread" of me. You can't put someone on the bottom of your read list and not expect to be taken seriously, even in rvs.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #52) » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:27 pm

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In post 161, UC Voyager wrote:ok... i honestly dont want to read everything so i will try to make points with whatever people say after this or things i see scroll backwords
In post 165, UC Voyager wrote:YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO READ 7 PAGES????? lol
In post 166, UC Voyager wrote:damn.....calm down
I hate posts like this.
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Post Post #395 (isolation #53) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:58 am

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Townblock [tiam, dunk, Jingle]
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Post Post #398 (isolation #54) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:49 am

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In post 396, Jingle wrote:
In post 392, taiho wrote:jingle #384 -...- don't have definite read on dd.
Townish because he seem to openly speak up his mind, being honest is town trait.
Scummish is that i don't think hes pushing tiam because he really scumread him. >.> Ik it sorta contradicts what i said in the 1st paragraph, but thats how i feel it going over dd's iso. I don't fully get his intentions and Is this suppossed to be reaction test of a sort.

dd's #61 idk if i agree here, liking the confident tone here; side note is i find these sort of posts hard to distinguish whether they are jokish or serious. -.-
#92 dd known tiams meta..
#108 this is being truth for pro-active players in general. I agree with the sentence in the concret case too.
#114 idk why somehow i like this post
#191 nothing to say here tbh
#212 this along with 92 and 114 leave the said impression 2nd paragraph above.
#226 I think that's rather pov thing. Tonal change being scummy is subjective. Is not possible to maintain the same tone is every game.
Specifically not a reaction test. More a "Dear god take some stances so I can try to claw my way inside of your head and figure out your alignment" test.

What conclusions do you draw from DD's 92? Does his knowledge of 2's meta as 'scummy even when town' strike you as odd? Particularly in juxtaposition with 2's statement that he's normally townread and the complete lack of any other defense of 2 from DD? Do you think DD is more or less likely to be scum if two flips scum? Town? Why?

What do you think was the point of 108? Why even make that post?

I pretty much agree with you over DD's push on 2 being policy (and I'd bet he'd outright agree), but is there a specific reason in your mind that that would make him scum over town?

Why do you think Dunk thinks (if he actually does) that 84 is scummy?
I've already explained that Dunk's meta analysis of me is incorrect. I am townread plenty. People don't always agree with my posting style or my playstyle but my results speak for themselves.
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Post Post #402 (isolation #55) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:03 am

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because taiho was lurking.
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Post Post #404 (isolation #56) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:11 am

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I was voting tiaho, she started hard lurking. I didn't want to have my vote sit on the same person the whole day, so I switched to another read.
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Post Post #406 (isolation #57) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:29 am

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All 3 are scumreads so I really don't need a reason to vote for one over the other. I just prefer to be voting for someone when making a case on them normally.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #58) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:40 am

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I don't care what other players reads are at this point, I know I am town, and I think dunk and jingle are town.

And yes, I think voting UCV could result in a lynch because his posts are awful.

Day 1 wagons are green more often than red so there is no real point in "staying on a developed wagon".
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Post Post #411 (isolation #59) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:48 am

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I do like your activity and cognitive level. I just am not sure about the motivation behind your posts.
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Post Post #414 (isolation #60) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:56 am

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Other fish to fry. I didn't think your wagon was going anywhere.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #61) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:57 am

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In post 174, ironstove wrote:
In post 164, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 161, UC Voyager wrote:i honestly dont want to read
Why the fuck did you join the game then!?!?!!!
I relate to this. I don't feel like reading either, so I won't.
In post 352, ironstove wrote:I'll vote for anyone to end the day except myself. True story
Not suprising this would want to vote for me.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #62) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:59 am

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Just because I don't keep a mental log of my vote history doesn't mean I can't say why I left your wagon.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #63) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:02 pm

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Quite frankly, with the apathy of this town, I'm not surprised if I get mislynched.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #64) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:05 pm

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Just for the record, see this game where I was town, was mislynched day 1, and the town lost.

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Post Post #422 (isolation #65) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:10 pm

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Then see these two games where I was endgamed as town, and town won

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=72816
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=73333

You are barking up the wrong tree.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #66) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:28 pm

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My point is this seems like a policy lynch and I'm saying thats a bad idea. I have a lot to contribute.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #67) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:43 pm

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Sayonara. See you on the flip side when town loses.
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Post Post #429 (isolation #68) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:51 pm

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That's the history in the games I've played so far.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #69) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:49 am

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Luv has played with me at least.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #70) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:56 am

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Tell them im town. Lol.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #71) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:43 am

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I agree that scum may be in lurkers
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Post Post #475 (isolation #72) » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:32 pm

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Nice to get hammered before the replacement has a chance to speak. Opportunistic much?
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #73) » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:51 pm

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Only two scum? Interesting.
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #74) » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:56 pm

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In post 1074, UC Voyager wrote:
In post 1073, TwoInAMillion wrote:Only two scum? Interesting.
three.......
traitor was the third, but if a traitor's buddys are killed, the mafia lose
ah I see.

Would have liked to have been more help, but kind of got steamrolled day 1.
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