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[UnaBombaH]

Oh man, I pretty much missed the RVS..

On the other hand, I got to read some more when starting, and I have currently no trouble going for a VOTE: UC Voyager.

We do not need this in late game anyway, based on the things I have seen so far.

One of

UC Voyager, Zulfy, Rhah

is scum to me, interested in seeing their respective progressions.

I'm not familiar with hypo-claimings (know a few scenarios, haven't been a part of one yet), but how would we do it in this game, and what good could it possibly do?
Not sure if I misunderstood something about it.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm going to be very silent until this sunday: sorry in advance!
I'm so busy and tired because of work, that I simply don't have the brainpower required to write anything reasonable..

But my first post nailed at least one scum, so thats something, right?

[UnaBombaH]

And 'i keep forgetting to log in' pings me a bit too, though maybe the dude is busy irl.

Just a quick pop-in on my break, and this caught my eye.
Morality has MULTIPLE alts, this is one of them - I bet that he meant he forgets to log on to this SPECIFIC account..

I'm past the point of scumreading him for his D1s, because he is always very passive early, and usually solves the game D2/D3.
So he is scum if his content isn't top notch tomorrow..?

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and almost forgot: VOTE: Chip Butty

Feels VERY forced currently, these past few posts and all his votes too.
Feels like he is pretending to pressure and scumhunt, but is actually surfing around and trying to look busy.

Me on the other hand?
I'm busy IRL, but I'll try to be around tomorrow or sunday.

[UnaBombaH]

Well my credibility on this lynch is hanging in pieces so I'm fighting this until one of us dies and that's looking like me right now. Should have listened to mastin's advice on the wiki which is not to argue with scum. Oh well I'm learning.

This reeks of scum..doesn't feel natural at all.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[UnaBombaH]

You honestly disagree?
It's the same as me saying "should have listened to RC in one of my earlier games not to do X, OH WELL, guess I'm going to be lynched even though I'm town *sigh*."

[UnaBombaH]

Una is the scummiest of the 3. He's supposed to be a good player says the grapevine--

HOLD THE PHONE!
WHO? WHO is saying I'm anything above "OK for a new guy I guess"?
(because whoever it is, I love them now and they don't need to ever pocket me in any game )

[UnaBombaH]

This latest post also hits some of my favorite marks for a scumread getting "confirmed" further. I'll try to list a few:

--and yet he managed to comment on one thing although there are a lot of things since his last post he sh ok ild be commenting.

1) Can't discredit my point about their one post, so has to discredit me as a player. Decides to do it by saying "others have said he is good" and "only picks one post even though there has been many". Neither is actually an objectively good argument. I'm still waiting to see anyone quote every single post in the game..

That doesn't feel like townie objectivity.

2) Calls my read on themselves "not objectively townie", even though they are biased and making the said judgement themselves = subjective.
Also: is there even a thing such as scummie-objectivity in this game?

UCV is still pinging but IDK how to read him when I consider his age. Acid is probably town because their play always pings me.

3) Two players who apparently ping them as scummy, but they don't want to commit to a read fully. This is to appear as trying to solve and sort in the same post where they discredit me, because "it would be scummy to just defend themselves".

I'm starting to come around on vanders possibly being town but I'm unsure, it won't be obvious until you see who scumread who day 1 after the flip. Necro being nice is weirding me out.

4) Mentions Vanders as a townlean, because others are yet to sort them. This might help pocket Vanders and gain towncred for calling them town before acid and Rhah get there. Mentions Necro, but not making any huge commitments there either..

[UnaBombaH]

Mastina is a fan of your play, check out scummy nomination thread.

What is this thing?

Also: surprised if Mastina likes my play, I have only played in one newbie game with her, and I lost that in LyLo..

[UnaBombaH]

I am by no means a reasonable lynch.
Also @Cheeky: stop scumreading me for scumreading you, if you are town. That only strenghtens my read.
Your reaction to my vote on you honestly ticked the boxes for a "constructed defense/omgus"-post.
Im currently mobileposting, and it seems my workproject is going to tax my time for some more days..

I'll try not to fall off pace reading, but posting is still limited for a while.

[UnaBombaH]

I want to see the Cheeky flip even more now.
The wagon has been standing for some time, and it could potentially clear necro for me too.
I don't think scum!Cheeky would try to derail her own wagon with a wagon on a buddy D1, when there are other potential mislynches to push.

CB and Rhah teaming up against necro gives me bad vibes too, but it could just be scum!necro flying under my radar, and they are just superior at scum-detecting..

[UnaBombaH]

wut

Cheeky isn't scum.

And neither are you then.
UNVOTE:
I'll try to find time to make an actual readslist.

[UnaBombaH]

Catching up today, but stuck with posting on a phone.
Workpressure is starting to ease, so I should be more active from monday on.

[UnaBombaH]

I thought prodges were supposed to contain some actual game content to count?

Whatever man, this was more along the lines of "I'm sorry I have been absent, will rejoin today".

[UnaBombaH]

HELLO MY DEAR FRIENDS

TOWN'S SAVIOR HAS RETURNED

OHLORD, NOW I'M FUCKED

[UnaBombaH]

I agree on Vander but would rather get this wagon pushed as UnaH still has yet to respond after saying he would today.

I'm working very hard to get over my scumread on you.
But I still have a feeling you want me lynched on a very forced manner, which feels scummy to me.
I know I suffer greatly from conf.bias, because you seem to be somewhat townread, while I find something scummy in almost any post. Maybe you have a similar challenge, I don't know.

Another problem is that I can't see any other reasonable scum-candidates for today.
I see singular scummy posts (gonna mass quotes when I get on comp.), but can't necessarily see the scum agenda driven there.

I'll work harder from now on.

[UnaBombaH]

..and here I am, having visited L-1 makes L-2 feel like nothing..

I'm not sure whether it's necessary to claim here, but in case someone feels like hammering when I'm away:
I'm Vanilla Townie.
This is more to avoid a stall or stupid arguing over claims before hammers.

I'm still a bad lynch, because I get a lot better when the game goes on and I have more free time in my hands.

[UnaBombaH]

I think I believe him. That wasn't what I'd expect from scum... why is there no counterwagon? UNVOTE: sigh. Do we have better candidates and why?

There was no counterwagon, because I seemed like an easy mislynch - that is why I'm beginning to think you should be town too.

VOTE: Porkens

[UnaBombaH]

Eh VOTE: UnaH I can't be bothered starting again lol. Might as well push my gut.

This raised some red flags again..

WHY do you care SO much what Rhah thinks of you/your reads??
This notion I've been having about you two being linked got way stronger again - I think I need to re-read your ISOs together.

Either scumtheater or one pocketing the hell out of the other.
I feel like I can solve at least one scum D2 if we don't get one today, Boon probably already know at least one scum if he gets the time to interact..

[UnaBombaH]

CLASSIC SITUATION: we have two VT-claims and a closing deadline..

I think Cheeky offering to be the lynch with 0 votes is weird.
Means she doesn't really think any of the current wagons flip scum?

G'night. VOTE: Porkens

[UnaBombaH]

That's a weak as shit gambit.

..and yet you as town felt like you had to nullify it completely?

Also: you have been all about tunneling me and trying to pick up towncred here and there.
And I'm sad it has worked.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, well you got me. Uni, do you think I'm scrum? Cause I don't think you are.

unvote

..this is scum though!

[UnaBombaH]

And you've spent the whole day tunneling me and discrediting me. I'm glad it hasn't worked.

So one of us cares about appearances, and the other about lynching the correct player?

[UnaBombaH]

wsa that a hammer?

NO. We still need a lynch.

[UnaBombaH]

If....Porkens really is VT, Una is scum.

Please, try to focus..

[UnaBombaH]

And in a is at l1 or l2

L-2, Cheeky wants a no-lynch..

[UnaBombaH]

Una is probably the encryptor if he's scum.

Where are you pulling all of this??

[UnaBombaH]

Why is Una not flipped

Because I'm not scum, and scum know it.

...if that makes any sense to you.

[UnaBombaH]

Sorry I'm an asshole, but could you go for towny instead of witty? Just a suggestion...

This is me being towny.

Also, I think the implications are rather clear: whenever a town-wagon stalls for a long time (like mine has), scum don't even need to be around when the hammer falls.
You get a VT-flip, and you don't get much associations because you don't know who jumped out or joined in at the last day to avoid no-lynch.

Why my scumread for Cheeky has never fully faded? (and actually got stronger again)
She jumped off my wagon, and then re-joined because of your opinion.
Then voted Piggy here to "avoid a no-lynch", but once I poked her a bit, she returns with a vote.
And when I wanted to see how Piggy reacts to an obvious fake-hammer (yes, ofc it was obvious), she feels the need to try and water it down.
WHY?

You guys like to say I'm scummy to you, but tell me how her actions have been town!driven.

[UnaBombaH]

Like for now, outside of my own reads, there is no way to distinct who might be scum amongst my wagon.

wavemode, Rhah, CheekyTeeky, Porkens

Wave would fall under the lurky type - he would likely have a more aggressive partner.
Rhah fits as Waves partner, not so much Cheeky or Pork imo.
Cheeky could be the kind who tries to find one target to tunnel for a day at a time, and that way produce noticeable content without having to commit to multiple reads or interactions.
Porkens would be noob-scum, or act like a noob to bypass being taken seriously.

[UnaBombaH]

It's real easy to say her actions are scum driven when you paint them as such.

I'm not sure we are playing the same game..

I mean, I THINK her actions are scummy.
You and her seem to THINK my actions are scummy.
I'm not painting anything, I'm calling them how I see them.

This is also why I often seem nonchalant when pressured: it's because I know that the ones who have decided to scumread me, will likely do so until the end.
With the amount of interaction I have tried to have, if you still scumread me, that will not change D2 either.

[UnaBombaH]

So I'll start and say I copped Rhah and he is innocent.

So you are the vanilla cop?

Please UCV..stop to think.

[UnaBombaH]

Last night, i decided to jail keep Rhah. as you can see, someone was still killed! This tells me that either he isn't mafia, or he is a non-killing role

I'm pretty sure the mafia get to choose who does the kill? Or is there something in the setup I missed

That is to say, I think you could have targeted him and someone else did the kill

I'd say this is exactly the case, so UCVs result isn't worth anything yet.
I hope people don't clear Rhah based on a JK-result..

[UnaBombaH]

So I'll start and say I copped Rhah and he is innocent.

This doesn't surprise me..

What surprises me is that I got an inno-result on Cheeky last night.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm most intrigued by the building 1v1 between Vander and Morality.
If I were to assume Morality is scum, I feel like he would have no reason to invest so heavily into a 1v1.
I have no meta or strong gutfeels on Vander.

I still dislike the Rhah-Cheeky -block, and since they scumread Morality and seem to townread Vander...I feel more comfortable siding with Morality.

LUV taking the Zulfy-slot is nice, I think we can work with LUV a lot better.

[UnaBombaH]

^ why aren't we lynching this.. and I don't have those reads

Maybe if you tried to answer that, you could see me in a different light?

I shouldn't be lynched, especially since D2 is finally upon us, and I might actually have some freetime during it.

[UnaBombaH]

I think so much about my every post that I would never scumclaim on accident! /s

[UnaBombaH]

I'm ashamed I was actually prodded.. Sry guys!

I'm at a point where my work project-stretch was extended to include this week too, so after my one day-off on friday I was working through most of weekend..
It's getting better every day now though.

About this day, Day 2 of the game to be exact..I'm a bit annoyed with my own activity, but also how this game has been coordinated by the more vocal players.
I dislike the read on Necro as scum, but once again, I could be wrong.
Then again his latest posts imply that he has sort of given up, so I don't see the value in "sparing" him either. And since I suck at reading tone, it could be just him trying to convey towny-emotions of disappointment and indifference.
I keep saying I dislike Cheeky+Rhah interactions, they feel like a team over anything else. Just something I picked up on very early, and haven't been able to shake since.
Cheekys claim clears her, so I'm going to say there's something that pings me about Rhah's actions then.
(I would otherwise assume Cheeky has an inno on Rhah and trusts him because of that, but since there is one vanilla goon out there, I doubt she'd take that as a "clear")

Morality either went too far with questioning Cheekys claim (and tried to backpedal later?), or he actually was trying to WIFOM her claim for scum.
Chip is either very paranoid town or scum because of how he took Cheekys claim.
Wavemode likes to vote me - I don't mind. Him and LUV are blank spaces to me, and could be any combination of S/T.
I need a good, solid day-off to read the whole game at once, and I'm back on my feet.

[UnaBombaH]

There. Lets lynch here. I'm pretty sure it will flip scum.

Versus a player who has said he doesn't feel like playing here AND you think he is scum?

OK.

[UnaBombaH]

Una if you had to dayvig someone right now who would it be

Rhah.
Would have been Cheeky but I think she claimed with all seriousness?

[UnaBombaH]

After all that, it just takes a few words from necro, who he hadn't cleared, to clear both...

I was going to give her room to interact with others and to re-evaluate my read on her.
I said it before: I didn't feel like tunneling her for the sake of tunneling, even if my read on her felt stronger all the time.
I was also feeling like I was the only one legit scumreading her, so I started to dislike my gutfeel.
That followed by her hard-claiming a PR has obviously forced me to re-assess my thoughts.

I haven't "cleared" necro - I just didn't see the basis for a scumread that others seemed to find with ease.

[UnaBombaH]

Has Morality's d2 play met your lofty expectations?

Nope.

I have no reason to "back him up" or anything, and I'm one of the worst slots to speak of activity, but I think he is a lot better townplayer than what his contributions have been so far.
Then again, I can symphatize, since he has had some IRL issues (so have I) and he has had other busy games running alongside (so have I) plus he is modding at the same time.

What I'm wondering though, is whether town!Boon would still be able to find one solid scumread, even with very little effort and time at this point of the game?
I guess we'll find out when he makes his cases after that five hour car drive later this week?

[UnaBombaH]

One of the replacements is scum imo. I'm hung up on it.


VOTE: Una

"One of the replacements is scum." --> votes outside of replacements.

I mean, I guess I'm sort of lockscum to Rhah at this point, so I'm not even going to try and fight there.
But for anyone else wanting to ask me anything (I tried to answer Chip and wave above), I'll do my best.

[UnaBombaH]

That's not how 790 reads to me.

There were four votes on Cheeky, and it was the leading wagon.
There were pokings towards a wagon on me and/or necro, but necro refused to jump on the Cheeky-wagon to potentially save his own hide..this lead to me unvoting Cheeky for the duration of my re-read, and gave towncred for necro.

This is also one of the things I didn't feel like outright pointing out, because I wanted to see who just glosses over it, but apparently I was the only one who thought it was of any significance.

[UnaBombaH]

The whole "oh man there's nothing I can do" is supposed to be a towntell or something? Are you afraid to push me as scum?

VOTE: Rhah
I'm not TRYING to towntell, and I think its my own fault if my "towniness" isn't transparent as is.
I'm not afraid to push you, but you are rather townread by others, so I didn't see much value in puting my vote on you for the sake of voting you - I'm not taken seriously right now, so all I can do is hope people wake up on their reads on you.

I still bang the same drum: Cheeky-Rhah -interactions from before didn't feel natural to me. Since Cheeky is town, I now suspect Rhah isn't.
Also I am town.
Also I leave for work now, and hope to be alive when I return.
Also I would like to contest Vanderscamps vote: Wavemode is in the game too, so voting "UnaWave" seems weird..!

[UnaBombaH]

Are we gonna flip this lynch or what

This is still just BS..

And what grinds my gears is that at least one town has misread me, likely one other than Cheeky too.
Boon can correctly read me, but I have no idea whether he is town or not.
So if I'm flipped, he is wagoned tomorrow for "knowing Unas alignment" (= scum!Morality.)
People will just ride their waves with the notion that "Una was lynchbait" and continue on.
And scum snowballs from there, and I get another loss under my belt..

Why can't people see the track we are on?
This feels so much like a scum orchestrated situation, that it pains me to see how deeply Rhah is townread vs how strongly I am scumread.

[UnaBombaH]

Don't see why you're worried.

Worried is not the right word.
More like frustrated.
And don't get me wrong, I have said on this very site before, that if I'm not townread, its my own fault.
I dislike the arrogant players who think they are always 100% conf. town, and bash others for not seeing it.

Sorry swap Chip and Unah

..and surprise surprise, I'm the town in this pair.
I still dislike the black and white definition here though.
And speaking of Chip..

UNVOTE:

Wanna think about this some more.

into

This kind of thing is always subjective but i don't think i am biased one way or another here. There's probably enough difference to go to L-1 again.

VOTE: UnaH

..feels like someone who knows I'm town, and wanted to come across as if they are reconsidering me.
VOTE: Chip Butty

[UnaBombaH]

I'm going to sleep now, you know my reads.
Not likely you think much of them anyway, but eh..
Wavemode acts so confident but is wrong anyway. For whatever reason I find that towny.
Ech.
Nero could be anything, Chip is likely scum.
I think Rhah is scum, but since Boon (and almost everyone else) townreads him, I guess I'm just wrongafter all..

G'night.

[UnaBombaH]

Eh? I'm saying he is townreading Rhah (town) and UnaH (probscum).

I don't think scum!Boon is so binary as to clear one buddy and one obv. town.
What I do like though, is that if you guys decide to lynch me tomorrow, you would have to (by your own logic) FINALLY admit that Rhah could be scum.
My only remaining goal in this game is to make sure that Rhah doesn't win in LyLo (because that's where we are headed..)

Now onto Chip vs Morality.
My read has been more along the lines of town!Morality/scum!Chip, if I had to make the distinction between the two.

VOTE: Chip Butty
Trust me guys, this is the path town should take to ensure victory.

(I'll quote this post D4.)

[UnaBombaH]

Wow.


I just realised we got three conf towns and one conf scum......we are on a roll....

Explain the three conf. towns.
Explain the one conf. scum.

There is no conf. scum until a flip, and therefore neither morality or Chip is conf. anything yet.
You are a conf. town as long as no one counterclaims (and the time for that has obviously long passed), but who in your opinion are the other two?

[UnaBombaH]

Unah/Necro, Morality/Vander, Chip/Rhah

These are SvT pairs. If one flips good then the other is bad IMO.

This was an interesting pairing, and I'm sad I wasn't around to question this in time.

From my POV the choices are obvious, but I'll hold on to them until we get closer to a hammer - I'd like to see how the remaining players place their votes between morality/Chip before I speak my mind.

[UnaBombaH]

You're full of shit Unah. If you had read the thread you would know CT was pairing me with necro, and you with Rhah.

I honestly forgot about that!
Well, then I have to say I like Cheekys original pairings better.

[UnaBombaH]

Why did you target Morality, though.

I want ro keep that to myself.

Not very healthy when you are in a 1v1 with contradicting claims..

[UnaBombaH]

I'm dying tonight if i don't get lynched, so idgaf.

..but considering that outing your logic might help town..ydgaf?

[UnaBombaH]

I can't believe we actually nolynched. CT you fucked me up LOL.

This is totally off-key.

Una's STILL mafia you know.

No, I'm not.
And you thinking I am, makes me further think you are.

But please, humour the scum in me, and tell me if you had to hammer one right now - Morality or Chip - which would you vote?

Same question to everyone else not yet voting: sheepsaysmeep, Zulfy, necro, wavemode, Vanderscamp.
What I ask is that you don't actually vote yet, or the scum will self-hammer.

[UnaBombaH]

Dude..........your scum


Rhah = conf town pretty much

The difference between me and you, is that I will admit I made a wrong judgement if I end up being wrong about him.
You will just say your read was correct, and I played poorly.

[UnaBombaH]

In the second we again see morality vanity wagoning rather than hammering Una (he was at l-1 at one point, then cheeky unvoted)

So I take it as in you vote Morality.
Hold that thought. (I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm not discrediting you, but let's wait for others to "vote" or vote.)

[UnaBombaH]

Saddly. We can't find that third scum....I'm assuming they will get on the morality wagon.....

...why..why do you say such things?

Because morality is conf scum and they have no choice

He is not conf. scum over Chip, no matter how you put it. Try to get that straight, ok?

I'm afraid you did more harm with this one post than you even know, me dilly-dallying around isn't going to reverse that.

[UnaBombaH]

Fuck it, I'm done goofing around.
UNVOTE:

I too think Morality is the scum out of the two claims.
What I WANTED TO HAPPEN, was to give the remaining scum a "chance to save Morality", by offering support for the alternative.
But it seems like no one is around yet, and with UCV posting shit like the above, I doubt anyone is going to fall for it anymore.
Maybe it was a bit optimistic too, I don't know.

MY final scumteam would be Necro, Morality, Rhah.

That is why I thought CT's original pairings were better, but Chip obviously took it the wrong way!
No matter if Cheeky swapped those pairings around - I have been saying for a long time I think Rhah is scum, and now that morality proved his AI with the fakeclaim, it leaves me vs necro. And that locks necro from my POV.

And of course, now that I have said it, the Dead Thread can laugh at me picking them wrong again, but I feel good about this.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, IF Chip is the scum, he is likely a Goon because he would have been the one "bite the bullet".
On the other hand, scum!morality is based on him being a PR, so we need to discuss how long we let them drag the lynch, because he could be the Encryptor.

If we get their day chat offline quicker, I assume it's a good thing, no?

[UnaBombaH]

Going to sleep now.
Tomorrow, don't speedwagon me.
Let me get a few longer cohesive posts out, and then I'm ready to be lynched.
Everything I say holds no value until I am confirmed as town, and that won't happen until I flip.
I'm fine with that.

[UnaBombaH]

Well....what we probably do is share our night actions (of there were any). Think of any scenario where the scum team is not what we thought. Talk some more. Wagon UnaH....possibly LUV ....her interactions with morality today have been weird....maybe loudmouthlee....who hasn't posted today

No, you lynch in LUV/Rhah/me tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

Also, I know your plau UCV, we have actually played together outside of this forum before..
I know you have one jailkeep left, you did this same tactic before too.

If you land on scum tonight, Chip might get another clear for us..

[UnaBombaH]

rhah = conf town

Don't. Do. This. To. Yourself.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: UnaH
Lets do this!

Let's NOT do this. At least not yet.
This type of acting will lose us the game.

[UnaBombaH]

Especially LoudMouthLee and Vander need to post before a speedlynch.

Also: start considering where to go after I flip town.
We are out of conf.townies tomorrow if UCV is the NK.

ALSO: let me read last day again.

Also: notice how I guessed Boon was the Encryptor..there was something there..

[UnaBombaH]

I do not know what else I could do for this game..

This is also the first time on site where I feel like my bad play isn't the worst thing around.
Guys who have just tunneled on me all game deserve to lose because they can't seem to re-evaluate.
I'll try to give some examples.

[UnaBombaH]

dude....your pretty obv scum......with the way Boon interated with you and you did with him...yea.......your scum........sorry......

No.
Boon as scum isn't at all about "I will declare all my teammates as conf. townies".
He doesn't care if he has to sacrifice himself or his teammates for the win.
I didn't see any hints on that previously, which is why I had a townlean/-read on him most of the game.
Then again: his fakeclaim was very much aligned with his previous scumplay, which is why I saw the light on him D3.
Some context I had on his scumplay: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72708 - he was FlavorLeaf early game, and then replaced with his main, Boon.
Another quite recent: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72998 - I replaced into this myself, so wasn't there from the start, but especially lategame Boons interactions with me (town) and SkirtSkirt/Eddie Cane (his buddy) are very much aligned with this game.
I can almost guarantee that we are MORE LIKELY to find scum in the people he has suspected/shaded/wagoned vs the people he has "cleared".

[UnaBombaH]

Can someone explain the case on Una like I’m 5?

I would also like to hear that.
And I'm almost willing to bet that if we are completely honest, it's more or less because I was pushing for Cheeky ans Rhah.

[UnaBombaH]

LUV (process if elimination. this has been their town game though, bu their interactions with LUV are scummy AF)

LUVs interactions with LUV have been scummy.
I think UCV is the best confirmed town we could've had here.

[UnaBombaH]

hey Rhah.......you are conf town........So you also need to bear information considering im the NK

UnaH is scum

You really think you need to tell HIM that?

If UCV wasn't confirmed town I would honestly tunnel the crap out of him just because of things like this.
I want UCV to think about his own ISO after the game, and hard too.

Also, it has been said previously too that people should "read my ISO" when asked to case me.
Meaning that your case is non-existent, and YOU are going to end us losing the game.

One main reason why I still think Rhah is scum, is because this is straight up his win condition-alley as scum.
He can just slide through LyLo as is.

The other remaining scum (?) is likely in LUV/Necro.
Maybe Necro because he has been most lenient towards me (same as Morality), and I wouldn't think it impossible for them to have decided I am an easy one to pocket.

And in case UCV can't get off his "lock-town-Rhah" -partybus:

Nearly forgot: my read on Rhah was obviously bogus too, so he is definitely back on the table as possible scum. Jic nobody figured that out, which seems kinda likely...

I do happen to think Rhah is probably town though, just based on his play.

..provided by our lovely Cop, may he rest in peace.

I'm off for tonight.

[UnaBombaH]

RHAH IS FUCKING CONF TOWN YOU IDIOT

Just remember you went there first.
I'm going to flip town, and all your "confirmed" anything goes to a trashcan.

He was investigated vanilla
I jailed him night one, so he obv didn't make the kill.............................

There is for certain a Vanilla Goon, and nowhere is it guaranteed that he has to make the kill. So NOT confirmed.
Oh, and btw.
When you call someone an idiot and use such words as "confirmed", I would make sure such botches weren't included in the same post:

and i would

assume

they would make the goon make the kill

Nothing locks a slot as town better than an assumption.

I'd even further say that a scumteam with Boon in it might make someone else perform the kill.

[UnaBombaH]

If you don’t answer my previous two questions, I’m going to just think my assumption that there is no alignment indicative reasons to scum read him is correct

Correct you are.

[UnaBombaH]

Well no shit I'm not confirmed. That's been obvious. It's not a good sign when the strongest point Una has toward me being scum is that I'm literally not mechanically confirmed, because he has no play based reasons for his #1 scumread for this game besides trying to pair me with a townie.

I'm arguing about your status with UCV, not with you.
I think its awful for town if our only confirmed townie makes false confirmations and tunnels on his reads.

Think of it from my POV.
If his 2 most solid reads are you as lock town, and me as locksum, he is already 50% wrong.

I'm gonna case you tonight Rhah.

[UnaBombaH]

There are so many players with no idea..

Also, there's absolutely no grounds for ending the day before Vander&Co. arrive and post.

[UnaBombaH]

UCV and Rhah - realize that I am town.
I'm done trying to argue you guys-now that we are waiting for replacements you should take this time to give your reads.

Please TRY

to give a good coherent scenario with me as town too, because at least one of the replacements is likely scum.
They have no reason NOT to hammer when they arrive, thanks to the pig-headed conviction you guys have.
You leave no room for being wrong, and yet you will likely start tomorrow by judging the ones who townread me..

You can already start working with that in mind for future days to come.
UCV dies tonight I guess, but if his reads are as messed up as I think they are...I would kill someone else if I were to be scum. And IF my original gutfeel on Cheeky/Rhah having scum ends up being true, they have no reason to kill UCV, because he will help scum until the end..
I'm sad if we end up losing this game after getting Boon and their daychat..

[UnaBombaH]

.scum team should really try to find a better target.....

Go figure.

Would be a very smart move from scum!Una to poke Rhah instead of just nightkilling him!

/s

But enough of that same old crap, let's try to discuss something useful before the day ends.

I'm thinking necro is a reasonable lynch tomorrow, but you still need to find one more after that (if he even flips scum).
I dislike the idea of everyone in the scumteam all out "pocketing"/"defending" me.
There have been a very limited number of players actually townreading me, so IMO out of necro/LUV, at least the other has to be town.
Then its about a gutfeel more than actual content, but I dislike the thought of everyone in the scumteam flaking at the same time after Morality was lynched.
So it's between wavemode/Rhah for the last one if necro flips scum.
Replacing out should be NAI, but IF LUV was scum, then his buddy could be in Vander/Loudmouth, and they just sort of gave up after they lost Morality and their daychat. (Dislike this theory though)

Just a lot of theory, but feel free to post your opinions on this.

[UnaBombaH]

It's pretty odd you're going to assert that we'll lose the game. I want to lynch all of your scumreads. You just happen to be one of mine.

And I'm fine with it now.
But if I assume you are green too, then you are the next NK after UCV.

The rest have all been either very passive, or very 50/50 shady.
Meaning we likely slide into a LyLo anyway.

Much depends on the replacements obviously.

[UnaBombaH]

If you green we'll probably reset based on your reads.

The pressure point here is "probably".

[UnaBombaH]

Why am I scum again?

The way I read your interactions with Cheeky.
I think Cheeky would've died anyway, cop-claims or not, and it would've helped you immensely because Cheeky was willing to form a happy little town-family with you..

But like it would matter, I have already given up on calling you scum.
Either I am wrong, or don't know how to word my hunches properly.

[UnaBombaH]

HOW ARE YOU STILL VAGUE AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME

BECAUSE YOU REMIND ME OF ANOTHER PLAYER WHO FLIPPED SCUM AFTER A VERY SIMILAR PLAY

[UnaBombaH]

I'm VT.
UCV should die tonight, if only to give room for actual gamesolving.

Necro/LUV-slot likely has one scum, but I highly dislike the idea of having two.

[UnaBombaH]

UnaH: Dude, you gotta work on not being lynchbait. That's 2 games I've played with you where you've been widely scumread as town and contributed to town losses.

I'm the first to tell you that my play needs upping in this exact sense.
It's just easier to say than do.
One of the most important things is that I need to vote more - I tend to sit on my vote too much, and people always think it's because I'm scum, and afraid to commit.

I'd also like to point out that people are rather eager to follow the "stronger" personalities on this site.
This means that ANYONE who could be scumread even for a little, becomes an easy mislynch if that one vocal player decides to drive the point home.
This means that a good, vocal, townplayer might not always be NK'd because they are essentially the mouthpiece for Mafia when driving for mislynches.
It's sort of the same with lurkers at times.