Large Normal 207: Theatre Mafia

[massive]

Oh Boons is scum this game? Sweet.

VOTE: Boons

What's up with the color coding thing Mulch? That's new.

[massive]

Dang it I didn't get to graciously unvote after looking at the horror that is my company on the Boons wagon before Boons had to blow it up.

[massive]

I actually think

VOTE: pisskop

because I think he should have had that feeling at some point too.

[massive]

Who is on it?

Besides you and me it was Carcalilly Fykus and Meowmix. Feel good about any of those?

[massive]

(tbf I thought you actually did something scummy to earn those votes, was disappointed most of them were RVSish)

I can Meowmix.

VOTE: MeowMix

[massive]

can we get a wagon going on Texcat please?

Why? How did you pick me out of your long list of lurkers? Do you know that I've never played a game without being voted for lurking?

sounds scummy to me tbh

if he was town he wouldn't care

See, that's where you're wrong. As someone who also gets voted in every game for lurking, I can tell you that it's actually a really good thing to care about.

Multiball is generally more of a scum concern if it hasn't been confirmed and bringing it up d1 suggests extra information that points to it. Not impossible but not the crux of my vote either.

Scum already know if it's multiball mate.

Kamina is pinging me

Right? How savage does a case need to be for him to feel it?

VOTE: Kamina

[massive]

Scum already know if it's multiball mate.

Do they now?

Yeah. If you show up to your mafia thread and you only got one partner, guess what, it's multiball.

[massive]

]
RandomVotingStage is over when someone starts to read off behaviour instead of randomly voting. At the point where it is clear that there is serious voting going on then there is no longer any justification to vote randomly instead of joining the discussion.

This kind of absolutism will get you in trouble.

one thing i will say is normally you don't care if you are being scumread, like you don't really seem to care at all. this isn't normal town you imo
maybe this is just confbias, but idk.

(about Boon) that's just plain wrong. I've seen town-Boon go off the rails at being townread. In fact it just happened in Large 206 which you and I were both in.

[massive]

I've seen town-Boon go off the rails at

NOT

being townread.

EBWOP

[massive]

Catching up from 23.

[massive]

Massive

want a stance from you on the unabombah and meowmix wagons and justification for kamina votes.

If either was a reaction test then it's probably not going to do anything anymore and I think potentially kamina isn't coming back either.

I was on the MeowMix wagon and could go back. I'm not overly impressed by the UnabombaH wagon.

Kamina it was 268. Why would you post "ooh brutal case!" and then call it null? It's your 234, how do you feel about it?

Lurker patrol: if we dont lynch Meow, we should prob lynch in: Xand, Massive, Assemble or Kamin. all less than 10 posts which is pathetic.
Really decent chance of scum being there.

This is a scum claim.

[massive]

VOTE: mozamis

Gwan hop on any ol' wagon.

[massive]

Curious what mozamis thinks of Texcat's post.

[massive]

Curious what mozamis thinks of Texcat's post.

Why, what do you think of it?

I think it's junk. Why move off of MeowMix when you say his wagon isn't just random votes? If you're going to move to a lurker ostensibly just to pick a lurker, why pick Assembler instead of me?

[massive]

Of course, that completely defeats the purpose of asking mozamis anything, I don't know, maybe that was your point.

[massive]

I'm just a VT so no great loss, but tomorrow you really need to look at Mozamis when I flip town. This "let's push lurkers" bs is 9 times out of 10 scum. I should keep a running list in my wiki where it has happened. In fact I might just after this game.

[massive]

VOTE: xnadrojx

[massive]

James Brafin is either completely adorable or a very well-done alt.

[massive]

Boon, why does James replace scum-Meow and swing for the fences? There are players I can see doing that but let's take James at face value. Does newbscum-James really attack this hard?

[massive]

Result obv

[massive]

OK let's make some different magic happen.

VOTE: mozamis

[massive]

I'm curious why Boon dropped his attack on UnaBomba, so maybe we can address that real quick while we're waiting on replacements?

[massive]

Is it just me, or is there a lot of associative reads going on where the read is dependent on scum doing exactly the opposite of what you expect them to do to their scumbuddy?

[massive]

Can't be the target of non-nk actions.

[massive]

Like, do I unvote? Man I don't even know. I'm not saying I need to be lead around like a horse but whatever happened to town just telling the truth to each other.

le sigh

Moz makes no sense as the vig. Why would he push to lynch lurkers if he had the ability to bump them off in the middle of the night?

[massive]

I'm ok voting for pisskop. Thats practically a lynch. I wouldn't respect any mod who let their players votd on modkills.

[massive]

VOTE: pisskop

[massive]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Those affecting a role's alignment (no Cults)
Anything which significantly affects the core mechanic of majority/plurality lynches (no Kingmaker, for example)
Anything resolving with a random element
Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").
Lying to the players, including False Role Reveals and "Scum Masons"

Night action redirection (no Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, or Redirector)

Returning "No Result" to Trackers who do not see their target go anywhere (in favor of "Your target did not visit anyone")
Alignments other than Mafia/Werewolf, Pro-Town, and Serial Killer (no Survivor, Lyncher, or Jester).
Hydra accounts
Differing kill flavor for different factions - everyone that dies at night should flip in the same way (e.g., "died during the night" or "was found dead")

oops

VOTE: Raskolnikov

[massive]

This narrative is coming from ignorance.

Any normal game can have

one

non-normal role within it. I know this is true from experience but I'll have to find the source on it.

I'm gonna guess it's the already-flipped willbooster.

[massive]

I could Fykus. I could wavemode but less so. I could texcat.

[massive]

(no and then)

And acid you're in the top posters of this game because it takes you six posts to put out one posts worth of content.

VOTE: texcat for now but I'm going to try and look at wagons today or tomorrow. Hard on my phone. Need to look at my counterwagon on D1.

[massive]

Nero give me a tldr on acid because I don't see that.

[massive]

VT (see my 823). People are really not paying attention to this game. Texcat before Una.

[massive]

What's the cause of the huge gap between me and acid?

Lynch 1:

XnadrojX

(10):

Fykus

, Mulch, massive,

mozamis

,

Not Known 15

,

texcat

,

wavemode

,

Raskolnikov

,

Boonskiies

,

James Brafin

Lynch 2:

LoudmouthLee

(8) HAMMER:

Boonskiies

,

Fykus

,

wavemode

, massive,

mozamis

,

Raskolnikov

,

Not Known 15

,

Mulch

What's the argument for massive-scum? Massive-scum means all mafia are on both the D1 and D2 lynch. You feel that is likely?

I don't.

But neither are they any help with helpful flips, since evidently I'm the only one on both the lynches unflipped. We figure Mulch is conftown because of Boons N1.

Counterwagon Day 1:
massive (3): UnaBombaH, acidphoenix,

XnadrojX

Counterwagon Day 2:
none

Lynch 3:

Raskolnikov

(8):

wavemode

, massive, Nero Cain, Mulch, UnaBombaH,

mozamis

,

texcat

,

Raskolnikov

I do feel like Rask's lynch needs a scum on it so I think Una is where I'm at.

1. On the counterwagon on D1 lynch
2. On Rask's lynch

[massive]

Come on, Nero, help us move past this.

[massive]

I gotta think this through. I don't have any problem with Nero's play but I want to look and think about Una's big post.

[massive]

I gotta think this through. I don't have any problem with Nero's play

but I want to look and think about Una's big post.

What exactly does this mean?

Did Boon claim his role d1?

I don't think Boon EVER claimed his role. We didn't learn it until he flipped. But he did make it clear he checked Mulch N1. We want to know why traitor talk started all of a sudden? It's a way to try and explain how Mulch could have been weak-checked N1 and still be scum (even though I don't think it works like that). In my opinion there should t be a "if Mulch is scum" section in that post and I think you agree.

[massive]

The weird thing is that nero sort of almost "cleared himself" with a claim so bad, because my initial reaction (and the reason for all my previous ramblings ) was that he can't be scum with a fakeclaim so bad.
How easy would it be if we could just trust his claim and autowin with massive->acid..

Why trust his reads over the guy who gave you the third? Do I get zero points for catching Rask's bad fake claim?

[massive]

Weird phone quoting.

[massive]

prob b/c no one knows what your reads are. :/

Mulch conftown, Nero town. Leaves acid and Una scum. And I don't feel like that was that hard to figure out. I was on Una more scum at day start (1791) but feel like acid might just be idling out and ducking any attention like he has all game.

[massive]

Man that feels all sorts of wrong, especially since we know Mulch has me and acid well below Una.

[massive]

Went back and re-read James Brafin and Rask D1 real quick. Was trying to think if it was possible that scum figured out Boon was something and blocked him D1. All I did was further cement Mulch as town; you can see Rask trying to push on him and then once he drops off and meowmix gets replaced, James Brafin picks right back up where Rask left off, and Rask goes off in a total different direction.

Also Fykus 1390 doesn't read like they blocked Boon and know he's lying. It looks like Fykus is planning on following his lead.

Also wavemode I see what made you shoot N1.

I see some weak "make Una talk" votes from both Fykus and Rask on D1. I was just skimming though and think I need to go back and look at any associative stuff for acid.

[massive]

VOTE: UnaBombaH

Maybe acid is just hanging out waiting to pounce but with me at L-1 it doesn't matter if he is, he wins that way too, so I guess I gotta go with Una here.

[massive]

Una is also L-1.

[massive]

how would I hammer you

By .. voting for me?

[massive]

Una is also L-1.

I feel like this is scum!massive wanting to offer another L-1 for acid to hammer.

Yeah, and if I hadn't, you probably would have said how I was being disingenuous about putting you at L-1 without announcing it. Can't win there.

[massive]

Ugh Nero was a full tracker. That would have backfired spectacularly on me. If I had survived, I would have killed Mulch. I had Nero as some sort of limited tracker who was bluffing he could track in the coming night.

I may have played this game all wrong and I will admit it. I got the PM from Gamma saying I was scum but not saying who my partners were, so in my attempt to play as town I completely avoided the scum PT. I'm not 100% sure I could have added much (although I definitely would have killed Mulch the night after Boon was revealed) and I still likely would have played Rask's claim the same way, so who knows.

Wavemode really did most of the heavy lifting for town anyways.