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[necro]

I think UC Voyager is likely town.

VOTE: Luca Blight
Highlander scum.

[necro]

Yeah hypoclaim is good.

[necro]

Tfw someone asks you to explain a page1 townread.

[necro]

I'll do whatever I want, thanks.

[necro]

I've never played mafia before in my life, send help.

[necro]

I think we could just move on from how good or bad people are based on these arbitrary numbers, and move onto assessing what alignment people are in this game instead (:

[necro]

So Voyager, what do you mean by not 'making reads unless you have something to back it up with'?

What about a huge subset of players (some very competent) who play by feel and instinct, and who don't always have words to explain a read? Should they just not share their reads?

I'd rather share my reads as they are, some will be detailed explanations, some will be short and some might just be based on feeling and difficult to put into words.

[necro]

Spicy.

[necro]

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

Chaos is probably town.

[necro]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

What are everyone's thoughts on hypo-vanilla cop claiming?

Spoiler: For those not knowing what hypo-cop is

On day 2 and onwards (until the vanilla cop role is claimed or killed), every player posts a result as if they were the vanilla cop; the actual vanilla cop tells the truth and everyone else makes up a result. It does possibly give scum more info on who isn't the vanilla cop (if someone claims an incorrect result on one of them, for example), but it guarantees that we have all of the investigations as public knowledge while allowing them not to claim and draw a NK.

Isn't this better in open setups

Do we even know there's a cop

Good thing this is an open setup then.

[necro]

VOTE: UC Voyager

Easy game.

[necro]

I don´t think Voyager is scum, just out there riley cakin´
Gonna keep my vote on him

Explain.

[necro]

Why are there so many quote walls.

[necro]

VOTE: Rhah

Wagons are fun!!!

[necro]

Wow more oversized posts to skip.

[necro]

Soliciting voters. Uncle Rhah needs you.

VOTE: necro

Best post you've made all game.

[necro]

Rhah is probably town.

[necro]

Zulfy is probably scum.

[necro]

I'm inclined to just not explain reads to be annoying at this point.

Closer to deadline I'll be more serious.

[necro]

I don't think what UC reads me as specifically is as important as the motive behind the read he gives. I agree it's unlikely scum UC bothers scumreading me there though, so the townread doesn't make him more town.

What does come across as odd is that he's really surprised by my play or thinks I'm new/bad and then townreads me. You'd think he'd scumread my play if anything if he was town.

UC is probably scum and if he flips scum I'd look at Vanders.

[necro]

Yes I plan to wait until 2 hours before the deadline so my buddies and I can secure the lynch with our nefarious plans!!

*cue evil cackling*

[necro]

I propose lynching the person who is most responsible for all these quote walls.

[necro]

Vote Count 1.5

Rhah (4): UC Voyager, necro, Vanderscamp, Zulfy, Rhah
necro (1): Chip Butty
Zulfy (1): Morality
Vanderscamp (1): CheekyTeeky
ChaosOmega (1): Luca Blight
Morality (1): acidphoenix
Luca Blight (1): ChaosOmega
UnaBombaH (1): wavemode

Not voting (1):

UnaBombaH

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, October 17, @ 3 PM EST (expired on 2017-10-17 15:00:00)

*maniacal cackling echoes*

[necro]

So have we figured out who's causing all these quote walls?

[necro]

Yeah and it's the worst.

[necro]

Let's all do quote walls, just to be annoying at this point. Closer to deadline, we can stop.

Spicy!

I am detecting a hint of frustration.

[necro]

Well if that isn't the scummiest thing said so far.

[necro]

I'm inclined to just not explain reads to be annoying at this point.

Closer to deadline I'll be more serious.

Let's all do quote walls, just to be annoying at this point. Closer to deadline, we can stop.

Spicy!

I am detecting a hint of frustration.

Pro-tip: Telling people youre trying to be annoying sucks out all the annoy from what you're doing. Not that find naked votes annoying, just unhelpful re gamesolving. But whatever, you do your naked vote thing, and I'll do my voting for naked voting thing.

Sounds like a bad case of lazy and fake scumhunting.

Acidphoenix is town btw.

[necro]

VOTE: Chip Butty

Someone get this guy some mafia training wheels.

[necro]

Time to break this bag of chips.

[necro]

Rhah is probably town btw.

[necro]

I saw more reasons to say it.

[necro]

Morality is a difficult read, I don't see someone could have zero doubt on a scumread. Sounds like you're tunneling or scum.

[necro]

Sorry I don't have any evidence, I've never played mafia before.

[necro]

necro's scumminess is not style. Portraying it as such is a detriment.

How would you know what my style is?

[necro]

How would you know what my style is?

Maybe I can tell what it isn't.

Based on?

[necro]

VOTE: Cheeky

This wagon is so forced that if Morality flips scum I'd be lynching Cheeky next for bussing.

But even better to just lynch this scum first.

Spicy.

[necro]

Cheeky is probably scum either way.

[necro]

Did I mention this is spicy?

I love me some spice.

[necro]

Yes it's my first game ever and I have made the mistake of linking myself to my partner being wagoned. Shucks, this game is very hard!!!

[necro]

Good lynches:
chip butty
wavemode
cheekyteeky
necr- wait ignore that last one, first game and this is really difficult

[necro]

@Rhah

The way you scumread one player and townread another but then just chalk it up to personality when you don't actually know the players, instead of trying to figure out where the inconsistency in your thinking might lie is a bit concerning. Might want to sort that out.

[necro]

Hi Rhah, if you're so sure I'm scum why are you not voting me?

[necro]

Like if you're at the point where you just refuse to interact with me and you're that sure, why are you still writing walls of text at other players?

[necro]

You and Cheeky are the only ones on me.

I'm on the right track, this whole fiasco has proved that to me. You might as well lynch me because I'm death tunneling Morality. If town thinks he's town then get rid of me because I'm only going to get in the way of any other wagons and try to bring it back here.

This sort of play usually backfires fwiw.

Then again I've never played mafia before.

[necro]

Who's written me off as town based on personality specifically?

Which of those people have then proceeded to have someone as mafia for their personality?

[necro]

We can always just lynch Chip Butty, that's a spicy lynch.

[necro]

I think you might be misunderstanding the objective of the game if you're trying to get yourself lynched. I might be new but I'm pretty sure of that one!

[necro]

I don't even know what thee word personality means, to be honest. Too many syllables. Also I have you scum because you have a scum ISO. Not because of any of your very lovable quirks and Kobe. I too, am waiting for players to catch up at this point before proceeding.

So then, why talk about personality?

Seems to me that your townread of Cheeky is likely based on in-game reasons than personality as well, so...why does personality have bearing?

[necro]

Morality is pretty pointlessly aggressive last few pages but it seems to be a reaction to a tunnel that doesn't have much basis. I'm coming around to the idea of Morality as scum but it's fairly hard to trust two players who're clearly not thinking right.

[necro]

Why don't you just do something else in the game?

Who is town, who is scum (besides Mor)?

[necro]

And I don't know if anyone would give you the advice of trying to get yourself lynched because your direction in the game was temporarily stymied.

[necro]

VOTE: Chip Butty

Let's try this one.

[necro]

Cheeky, I don't think giving up is good advice either. Maybe just chill then return when more chill? As either alignment this can't be fun for you.

[necro]

Do you have any reads not reliant on Morality as scum?

[necro]

Yeah, Chip is scum.

[necro]

And I don't know if anyone would give you the advice of trying to get yourself lynched because your direction in the game was temporarily stymied.

I'm saying I'm not budging or lynch me. I'm not saying I give up lynch me.

Oh right I misread this as you giving up.

So rarely have I seen this play be worth it. Even in the instance you're right, there's plenty of game to sift through and we can always come back to it. Banging your head against a wall isn't really that useful and you should at the very least be willing, if you're town, that on the off-chance you're wrong you're actually really making this an uphill battle for town. With 11 other slots to sort, I'm fairly sure you can come up with other things for the game.

[necro]

Cheeky wagon best wagon?

Yeahhh the boys.

[necro]

I think Vanders is town.

[necro]

Chip is very likely scum.

Why do you think town?

[necro]

Rhah is probably town, just has some personal issue with playstyle or something.

[necro]

Cheeky I think you should read Chip without clouding it with associative tells and consider what, if anything in their ISO, indicates being town. If I wasn't on your wagon, I'd be on Chip. I'd be good with these two wagons competing as it'd be pretty informative.

[necro]

I mean...I guess you'll figure it out eventually.

[necro]

Personally I'm less sure about acidphoenix than I was before.

[necro]

You and co. are driving a mislynch, necro. I hope I figure

something

out.

Try the Chip wagon for me

[necro]

We sort of disagree on those being townie posts? What makes you think the source of our disagreement here is say, perspective related as opposed to alignment related?

It seems to me like you really could be scum and that you're picking the ones that look townie to you, but not really getting it? Or it could just be that I scumread Chip and colour his posts with that bias, that's possible too. Work with me because this direction is new for you and I think it's better than having big quote fights.

[necro]

Honestly I'm not even sure about Morality at this point, I think I just don't want a 1v1 taking over the thread as early as Day1. It's an information day first and foremost, and pretty important day for re-reading. If it's consumed by a 1v1 it's really hard to get anything from it.

[necro]

I'll help you push necro. It might get us more info. Although I'm a little suspicious that he kept digging at you and now you want to wagon him lol. Although I can't talk, I read through OMGUS.

VOTE: ChipButty

Because it just looks incredibly fake. The initial frustration is fine, but continuing on that frustration for days afterwards and it's basically like saying, "if this guy doesn't contribute, I won't contribute!" which is what scum do, because they're more interested in how they're perceived

relative

to others, moreso than just figuring out the game.

[necro]

It's not that it was done to me, could have done it to acidphoenix too, or Chaos, or anyone really, but choose me specifically. If this is a town player frustrated with level of output, it's a very irrational way of expressing it and a very inconsistent way of being frustrated.

Well hey I think I just realised why I want to be on the Chip wagon too

VOTE: Chip Butty

[necro]

Hey Rhah, don't you think you should vote Chip if you want him to post more?

[necro]

He's probably scum then, unless for some reason he scumreads yourself and/or Rhah, townblocks are a normal part of the game. If he was town and suspicious of what he believed was a fake townblock, that'd likely come with a scumread on one or both of you. But if he's just making noise about it with nothing to really back it up...probably scum.

[necro]

Chip dies before Cheeky

[necro]

And suppose I was town who wants to lynch Chip first to gauge wagonomics and use their flip for info before lynching Cheeky, what then?

[necro]

Also, how do you know Chip and Cheeky are mislynches?

[necro]

VOTE: UC Voyager

Actually I'm really confident with this. Been lowkey scumreading them to see how they develop and pushing other stuff for info, this is good.

All aboard the Voyager wagon please, next stop is scumflip.

[necro]

Actually I misread that initially. Back to this:

VOTE: Chip Butty

[necro]

Lol wtf necro O_o

I misread Voyager's post, I skipped the "if"

[necro]

There's a few vanity votes around and yeah I'm not cool with this wagon anymore. I really want Chip, the way this is going down makes me think they're scum.

[necro]

I don't like the Cheeky wagon and Chip isn't gaining traction.

VOTE: Acidphoenix

[necro]

Join me Cheeky

[necro]

But I think Una looked okay

[necro]

Una's content isn't that much, but in those few posts he really looks to be thinking about the game and progressing through it with a mindset to solve.

I mean, I was finding you very forced as well. I think Una will come around when he's back in the game also.

[necro]

Maybe I'm because of this, but Una's progression of seeing scum in Zulfy/Rhah/Voyager, then onto Chip and you, he's staying involved in the main parts of the game and forming reads as it evolves. Sure scum could jump around but that's a pretty understandable progression of reads and while few, his posts all seem pretty town to me.

I think acid, Chaos or even Zulfy are better choices if we aren't doing Chip.

Morality on backburner for now, but I don't want them near lylo.

[necro]

I think there's lurking and lurking. Una has explained why, I'm much more concerned with acid's fake-activity lurking than Una.

[necro]

Wave totally forgotten about. Throw him in the viable lynch pool I suppose, though I wish these people were more active.

[necro]

I guess I just feel like Una is like the worst choice of all the low activity players.

[necro]

Shit, Luca Blight is in this game too.

Fuarking hell.

[necro]

I feel like this day is just a shot in the dark with so many inactive slots. Almost half the game right now.

[necro]

Why would I bother 'working' the person whose wagon is at L-2, if I was scum and Cheeky was town?

What possible benefit do I gain if I'm scum and Cheeky is town here? This is some tinfoil hat shit.

[necro]

I mean yeah but I don't have to try and work with you and sort out reads in the process, that's the part that makes no sense. I could just fight against your lynch and not get as involved, which would be safer and better as scum.

[necro]

Honestly at this stage of the game, if I was scum I'd have zero reason to play like this.

[necro]

acid on the other hand...

[necro]

Chip is such obvious scum.

VOTE: Chip Butty

[necro]

Chip or Acid.

[necro]

Presumably acid based on vote.

[necro]

Doesn't game solve, sits around pretending he's scumhunting by just complaining other people are bad. Doesn't provide content because waiting for other people to provide it (yeah that makes sense) and also has been acting for like an entire week now as if my playstyle for the first 2 days was just hurting the game so much.

Everyone's gotten over it basically or moved on at least, but Chip is clinging to it in a way that's just so fake. Like I'll lynch another scumread today but Chip just needs to be lynched.

[necro]

Like, "stimulating the lurkers" is a futile endeavour if I ever saw one.

@Flairs: Chaos hasn't posted for 4days btw

[necro]

More of a tone/instinct player though, and he overall just feels very bad.

[necro]

Nope, I don't really rely on prior knowledge of a player. I think tone and intuition are relevant even when you don't know someone, if not more relevant, because what you perceive but can't quite put into words is still meaningful.

[necro]

I know why Rhah is frustrated at me, I know he can't put it into words. I can't quite put into words why I know he shouldn't be annoyed still, so I'm kinda leaving this for later on. I think he's town so I'm more inclined to agree to disagree for now than to get into a really boring debate on day1.

[necro]

[necro]

Well if you ever get around to seriously pushing me I expect you to explain but for now not really interested. Kinda worried if we end up in a lylo though you'll confbias on me.

[necro]

I actually don't think I care enough to protest this.

[necro]

By that logic, and if you just isolated people's votes from reasoning between - everyone is "a little scummy"

[necro]

Necro, if we mislynch everyday how many nights until LYLO?

Depends if JK is successful or not, but I think Day 4 is MyLo.

[necro]

Well if you ever get around to seriously pushing me I expect you to explain but for now not really interested. Kinda worried if we end up in a lylo though you'll confbias on me.

You don't post a lot of words. I'm not going to explain air or write a thesis.

You know what? That's a bunch of bullshit right there.

[necro]

Day 4 isn't LyLo though.

[necro]

Oh wait yes it is.

[necro]

VOTE: acid

hi acid

[necro]

So if you guys lynch me, powe-rlynch Chip, Acid, Rhah

Thanks babes.

[necro]

Your style is ambiguous as in it leaves you open to work both aligns.

What does this even mean

[necro]

Because this tunnel is absolutely pathetic.

[necro]

And your reason isn't even a reason.

[necro]

Right, even though I've been clearly sorting out multiple slots and narrowing down a lynchpool and forming a townblock with townreads, I'm "tunneling"

Sure.

[necro]

I want to see the Cheeky flip even more now.
The wagon has been standing for some time, and it could potentially clear necro for me too.
I don't think scum!Cheeky would try to derail her own wagon with a wagon on a buddy D1, when there are other potential mislynches to push.

CB and Rhah teaming up against necro gives me bad vibes too, but it could just be scum!necro flying under my radar, and they are just superior at scum-detecting..

wut

Cheeky isn't scum.

[necro]

I'm actually baffled because I don't scumread Cheeky at all at this point. Am I missing something?

[necro]

Nah that's ez, Chip and Acidphoenix.

[necro]

acid or chip pls, thx

[necro]

Lol, no

We just lynch acid or Chip

[necro]

Either vanders is town or is scum pocketing me really well. Inclined to just think town

[necro]

VOTE: Chip

[necro]

What's going on

We're lynching Chip

[necro]

Vote Chip and be rewarded with euphoric feeling of Day1 scum flip.

[necro]

Flip the Chip.

[necro]

Unah is town get off that wagon, thanks

[necro]

MINE FOR VC

you tried

[necro]

Lol, we are not fkn lynching Vander today

[necro]

If UC is

SCUM

:

Chip Butty
UnaBombaH*
Rhah

Zulfy*

CheekyTeeky
acidphoenix*

sheepsaysmeep Luca Blight*
Vanderscamp
Morality

wavemode
UC Voyager
necro

If UC is

TOWN

:

UnaBombaH*, acidphoenix*, Chip

Wave

scum: Cheeky, Rhah, necro

[/quote]

awful

[necro]

I think I believe him. That wasn't what I'd expect from scum... why is there no counterwagon? UNVOTE: sigh. Do we have better candidates and why?

Chip Butty because his role PM is mafia.

[necro]

Porkens is probably scum too.

[necro]

Vote Chip for euphoric feeling of day1 scum flip.

[necro]

I'm trying to make the point that Necro is probably scum with Cheeky and Rhah.

lol

[necro]

So when are we lynching Chip?

[necro]

....

[necro]

porkens or Chip letsgo

[necro]

VOTE: Porkens

[necro]

wat the fk

[necro]

VOTE: Morality

This or Chip I guess

[necro]

Yeah I can't really be bothered playing like I did that game. This site's deadlines are way too long, this game would literally be finished on most sites already.

It was a mistake signing up to another game here.

[necro]

This site isn't though, lol.

[necro]

Problem is I'm not scum and tbh pretty sure scum are involved in pushing me at this point.

[necro]

Finding it hard to take anyone in this game seriously when they keep saying me and UnaH are scum (as opposed to I just townread UnaH) and basing entire theories off that. Like hey maybe my reads are wrong, but if the direction of your game is that I'm scum, well it's a bit hard to take anyone even remotely seriously as my play here doesn't even make sense if I am.

Not even as an "I wouldn't do X as scum" just generally scum don't do this.

[necro]

VOTE: wavemode

Que sera?

[necro]

Let's surf this wave to a lynch

[necro]

Yeah I can't really be bothered playing like I did that game. This site's deadlines are way too long, this game would literally be finished on most sites already.

It was a mistake signing up to another game here.

This site isn't though, lol.

You aren’t ever leaving though

Definitely my last game. I've had zero fun, I'm officially done with this site.

[necro]

I've never played mafia before.

[necro]

I think the only fun I've had in this entire game is in pretending I've never played mafia. Which is telling about how little point there is in me staying on this site to play mafia.

[necro]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UnaH

There. Lets lynch here. I'm pretty sure it will flip scum.
Necro should flip scum. And Morality will

Can someone legitimately be this lost?

[necro]

lol, wave is scum

[necro]

lol, una is town

[necro]

yes hello my name is sanity, let's not lynch unah who has been towntelling for like the last 10 pages

sincerely,
Sanity

[necro]

VOTE: chip butty

[necro]

lol, unah is lynchbait

[necro]

nah, let's do chip

[necro]

vote Chip to avoid NL

[necro]

Nah I'll hammer Unah but he needs one more vote as well. Sad outcome but oh well.

[necro]

oh this is still going

[necro]

Morality self-hammer makes me think someone was bussing him

probably wavemode

[necro]

VOTE: wavemode

yes

[necro]

im here, who do i vote idc anymore

[necro]

can we not have this stupid lynch rule where 50% votes = lynch

anyway this is MyLo just btw, if we mislynch here it's game over since it's 2v4, and it'll be 2v2 = mafia win

so no dumb flash votes please, since apparently we have this stupid lynch rule, 1 vote on a town player = town loss if the mafia double-vote them

[necro]

then again i'm pretty much locked on lynching wavemode or Luca at this point

[necro]

What's the basic summary of this game?

**no lynch**
**flairs makes lynch rule 50% instead of majority for inexplicable reason**

Days 2 to 4:
noobs: lets lynch unah
necro: but hes town
noobs: haha! you are scum with unah!
necro: but im not

**unah flips town**

and now we're here

we lynched some scum along the way

[necro]

scum are probably in wave and luca at this point

unless you're scum transcend then wp to vanders i suppose

[necro]

i mean im not sure how you get to act arrogant here Rhah when your top2 scumreads have been Unah and myself.

im town, unah has flipped town, but you still have the audacity to talk shit - and you wonder why im not interested in a game like this, with players like you in it

[necro]

we aren't lynching Vanders slot, oh my fkn god

[necro]

LUV didn't think Una was scum who was so scummy that the only way he could know he wasn't scum was if he was scum.

Sheep and Lee are obvtown. Rhah is town cos UCV said so.

okay this post is nasty rofl

VOTE: Luca Blight

bye scum

[necro]

game is either over now or town is on the right track

[necro]

[necro]

vote luca for town win

[necro]

yeah, using my lines against me is the epitome of scum at this juncture tbh

i get it, you're mimicking me because im town, you're scum, and you think it comes across towny. but it's transparently scummy

anyway ill just prod dodge until this day is over.

[necro]

I said wave was scum yesterday, but i didnt really care after the combination of the mod changing lynch rules and also dealing with Rhah/Voyager

just glad the game is over, lol