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Because Wicked is 70% town and DD is 60% town and flubber is a null read.In post 27, skitter30 wrote:I'm kinda wondering why you think 'DD and Wicked are probs town' here but didn't say anything about Flubber
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I'm a wizard, not the mod. Also, I'm a wizard.In post 51, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:jingle you should have figured out in town by now. anti would have gotten it. also how would know if there's masons?
#softclaim
Not alt, but think more along the lines of Xayzeck than a normal newbie. Particularly, he played a game with aphix where his play rather impressed me as town, and I'm not seeing the same thingies here.was gonna vote skitter for being skittish ( ) but the more i think about it the jumpiness is more of a town tell imo, especially with that joindate. unless alt. but meh...
hi flubber!! hi wicked!! i've missed this game.
I dunno, she seems to be voting scum, so I'd say tai is doing pretty good on the what townies should do front.@two - what town *should* do and what townies *actually* do are unfortunately completely different things.
/insert All is Who hydraslip with scumclaimjingle convince me who is scum.
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In post 56, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:what the shit is this and why did it not get addressed?
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i'll get you later awoo. unfortunately i can only lynch one scum a day *sigh*
p: yeah but whyyy flubberrrrr
awoo vote is general feeling of forced entry. icky post was icky.
In order...
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In post 61, Dunkerdoodles wrote:everyone that's posted on this page is town
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UC Voyager is pretty null. Think Lucky2U or Who. Wouldn't be surprised by a Jester flip there in a game I was modding that had no Jesters. Not a TERRIBLE vote, but I expect more gooder from you.
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Also someone mentioned the words "I don't think Jingle as scum would do that". You are objectively wrong. Things scum me has done: laugh in the post game when ETL says at least her Jingle townread was accurate (Post reveals, mind you), get shot by his own scumteam because "he was so town we'd never be able to get him lynched", play an entire game using speech to text from his phone and nothing else, begin a game by getting into a giant fight with a hydra of two of the people who know me best on site for shits and giggles, hardbus my partner D1 as a policy lynch because he was rude, take conftown thor into LYLO... Etc. Simply put, nothing is sacred and I will do whatever I damn well please as either alignment. Well... Until scum shoots me for being so obvtown they'll never get me lynched.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I've been suspecting Two without pushing him since page 1 or 2, and you picking up on him is the type of paranoia I expect from town you. I was kinda waiting for that. As far as skitters goes, I'll explain my reservations soon.In post 131, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 116, Jingle wrote:
Ooh, etl saw the things. Good.
WHAT THINGS?!
In post 117, skitter30 wrote:
I was asking about the Dunker/Wicked/Flubber votes cuz I thought it was odd that you were townreading Dunker and nullreading Flubber for making literally the same post right after each other, but I'm seeing that you are familiar with Wicked/ETL/Flubber so I'm now getting why you had a different reaction to the same post made by different people.
Jingle I like this. Why don't you?
Honestly? There's a thing I want to have happen, and then as soon as I have the free time I'll get all hyper explainy.In post 134, Wickedestjr wrote:I hope that this is another topic you will be explaining a few days from now?
Awoo is town. Tai and Wicked too. I'm withholding judgement on Flubs.In post 155, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:skitter has fewer posts than tai, and yet waaaaaaaaay more content to review.
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here's where i'm at for the moment. i should really get back to work. end of the fiscal year and all that. i guess i'll be back later tonight or tomorrow
town - flubber, dunker
feels town, but are they? awoo, skitter
null b/c no content - fykus, ironstove, notknown15, tai
null b/c i dont know - wicked, jingle
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27 is the single worst post so far in this game, including the trolly selfvote.In post 170, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I would greatly appreciate some insight to your current skitter vote.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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She actively avoids interacting with the information in the thread when she comes in, including an L-3 wagon, a softclaim and two naked votes to naked vote an unrelated person who hasn't posted yet, and immediately after suspicion is brought up about her doubles back to ask a bunch of questions about the things she just ignored while focusing in on the ramifications of the read on her, not what it says about any of the other players.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I've got nk15 as a going to get replaced for posting delinquency before the end of D1 read, so...
The first step to proving me wrong, btw, is to get an avatar.
Also, a brief meta dive suggests that UC and IS are both high risk for shitposting, but will likely increase in usefulness and content as the thread gains content, so I'm content to push things that are likely to be scum until it's proven that I need to ridicule them for not playing the game.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Nope, just the one, so far. I will eventually get around to meta diving you, but I'm likely to be a lower profile this game than normally, due to a bunch of RL factors.In post 185, skitter30 wrote:a) Not having enough sleep over the past couple of days to the point where I can tell my thinking has been a bit fuzzy. Like I can tell that things *happened*, but I don't necessarily have the brain power at the moment to actually figure out what it means.
b) I think I saw something in the you/dunker/wicked/flubber interaction there that I wasn't really ready to explore at the time and still want to hold off on for a bit, especially cuz (going back to a) I then and now think that I might be seeing things that aren't there and I want to look at it again while I'm actually awake and thinking properly. Nothing else had happened and I didn't really have anything else to say so I basically just said 'hi I exist' cuz I didn't have things I wanted to talk about yet. After thinking about it a bit more, I decided to poke at it obliquely to try to see whether or not I'm seeing things. I wasn't ignoring anything. I wanted (and want) to mull on it a bit more.
Question: have you looked at any of my other games here (specifically a scumgame), or just that newbie game?
I've read a dunker game, (at least one, possibly more) but he's unaware of me AFAIK. I was in one of Flubb's first games on site. I tunneled the shit out of Wicked's towngame for like 3 games in a row back in 2015. ETL and I have a long and storied history that amounts to her being one of my best friends, despite the fact that we haven't talked in a while. If she said she needed help with something I'd get in the car and drive across the country tonight because I'd know it was that important.
Don't worry about ETL so much, there's a method to my madness and I'll have a solid read on her one way or another in a couple more pages.
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Formatting wise, you want line breaks between your paragraphs/player divisions.In post 181, Not Known 15 wrote:Skitter had a really bad post, and then another bad post. Probably bad. Number 1 scumread so far.
Generally, Dunker's ISO is just horrible. Number 2.
Two in a million: Short not really useful posts, and a bad vote.
Fykus: One post, and not really helpful, promising something that did not happen so far.
I also don't like what Iron and UCV are saying about their activity. Additionally UCV had that selfvote, and Iron their bad first post.
Awoo had a bad start, later posts were better. Still, bad starts are worrying.
Jingle: A good portion of the posts looks good, but not everything.
ETL: The ETL/Two in a million fight is a bit scummy, but I haven't found anything else, and they have posted plenty.
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Nah, it's def the skitters vote. But yeah, his ISO isn't particularly town oriented.In post 226, Dunkerdoodles wrote:tbf 84 is probably the scummiest post from tiam so far
can you explain your thought behind 84?
I don't think this is SvS, though. Scum, particularly newscum, don't often needle their partner like this. I'd put good money on SvT, but TvT or SvS seems unlikely.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to tell the thread a couple of things.
1. I'd like to hardclaim before the end of day so that I can explain what I believe my role to mean before I get shot. And let's be clear here, I'm pretty obviously getting shot at some point in the near future.
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Looking at this, 4/5 of the skitter votes are actually pretty organic, but the last one is gross and the momentum from no where is worrying. The 2 wagon is 3/4, with the last one being null as opposed to scummy. I don't think both are scum, and the two wagon had considerably more resistance to it's growth than skitters (it took almost no effort to get to L-2 here).
ETL and Fykus wagons are vanity and unimportant, with the exception of the question of why they're still around at this point. Flubber will probably be voting elsewhere when he reads this post, so I'd like him to look at my math and pick the scummiest non Skitters/2000000 person and let me know whom it is and why.
Fy and tai need a little more thread presence.
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I explicitly believe the neighborizor portion of this claim.In post 258, TwoInAMillion wrote:I'm a town neighborizor.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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skitter30 L-3 Jingle, Awoo, Not Known 15,EspeciallyTheLies, TwoInAMillion
TwoInAMillion L-2 taiho, Wickedestjr, Dunkerdoodles, skitters, Flubbs (ETL wants to be voting here.)
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Not Voting --- Fykus, ironstove
Not that we really need this, I'm just updating for ruminations.
Tacit support of 2 wagon: Me (tentative), Awoo.
Determination, there is scum on the 2 wagon.
If 2 is scum, at least one of {awoo, flubb, ETL}, possibly more.
If skitters is scum, {awoo, tai, ETL} are very suspicious.
Fykus needs to say something of substance before day end.
Two's reaction doesn't seem especially premature, and it's weird that ETL thinks it does, especially without paying enough attention to see the flubbs vote putting him to L-2.
Need to devote more time to NK, Awoo, tai, UC, Flubbs, Fykus, Stove. That's more than half the playerlist, so not happy with lynching yet.
VOTE: Awoo
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L-1 votes are pretty much universally fine with ample notification and no lolhammer trolls like Guyett or ika in the game. I'm unaware of any lolhammer trolls in this game.
I don't support anyone being the lynch at the moment.
I believe TIM when he says he's a neighborizer. I haven't had the chance to decide whether that means he's scum or town yet, or whether it would be worth it at this juncture to try to figure that out.
I DO believe there are things that must be done today that have not yet happened. I am deeply unsatisfied that I have two hard scumreads that are almost certainly not scum together and have literally 0 opposition to either of those lynches but all of the support I could want.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Will read rest of post shortly, but this bears poking.In post 276, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:With the neighborizer claim.. I'm 99% sure he's scum now. If he actually is a neighborizer, there's no way he's town - too powerful in the hands of town, but balancing in the hands of scum. Especially if what you say about masons is true - no way there's masons and a town neighborizer. I don't see that getting through review.
Why is neighborizer, masons, role who knows that there are masons but is not himself a mason nor confirmable too powerful in the hands of town? Neighborizer is basically a 0 utility role. Masons are < cop. My role is weird, but not all that powerful balance wise. Absolutely none of that seems like an overpowered town and would in fact suggest an entirely vanilla scumteam to me.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Aight.
When I die, something happens. This thing is either good or bad (So scum doesn't know whether or not I need to die tonight), but will effect all non mafia PT's in the game. This thing is not protown enough for me to jump into the noose, nor is it antitown enough for me to try to hide it completely. It does lead me to the conclusion that there is at least one completely town oriented PT open right now. It also leads me to the conclusion that the capacity for multiple town PT's is real, though not necessarily that scum can't have PT's.
The masons bit isn't a confirmed thing in my role PM, btw, just something I think is more likely than not given my role. Like 80% chance.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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There's no way in hell scum Jingle shoots town ETL day 1 when she's literally the reason he's in the game in the first place.
I do remember Flubscum. From two years ago. You know, when I had trouble reading flubber. This feels different, but there's also a 2 year gap to make me doubt that. Flubbs seems more... mature, I guess? But that could easily be playstyle.
what is the conclusion here? i'm missing itJangle wrote:Wicked doesn't poke me right out the gate, or get in between us. He knows me as a combative asshole who is really good at getting his way and scum wicked has literally 0 reason to draw my attention to him that soon. I'm pretty sure he's also seen my propensity to tunnel someone over almost nothing for the entire game, like a dog with a bone.
do you not remember flubber scum??? this isn't it.I'll come following you. wrote:Flubbs has had individual posts that make me want to townbin him, but nothing screams it to me, so I'd still like to hear the logic there.
Wicked is town. His interactions with me on page 1 are unnecessary and not something scumWicked risks.
DD is slightly less town, but still very town because he was the naked humpvote on a P1 wagon on someone who may well have been claiming masons out the gate. Newbscum ISN'T that ballsy. Flubbs might pull that, but DD wouldn't.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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You're NOT MY ROBOT SUPERVISOR!In post 287, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:dont claim unless you have to. don't be dumb
But no seriously. Making scum shoot me over anyone else out of paranoia is a great use of my role, and getting the probably all town PT information out early was useful. If there is no other PT shenanigans, my role makes 2 100% town. I seriously doubt this to be the case given play and crumbing, but I cannot for the life of me decide whether trying to figure that out today is a good enough use of my time. Further, my role means to me that further PT shenanigans doesn't make 2 outright scum, because *reasons*. There's a nonzero chance of Mafia Neighborizer, but it seems like a risky fakeclaim given everything in the thread.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Not me. We both know that in a couple of days I'd stop posting in the neighborhood. You're usually a good bet, but again, if you get busy it's up in the air.
I'd go with someone who looks town and has a decent chance of reading 2 in the nightphase, but all of my strong townreads are annoyingly lurktastic (or maybe I'm just being spammy) so that's pretty meh. I def want him to hit town if he uses it, but it seems pretty unimportant. Definitely should claim his target in advance though, if we're letting it go to night.
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Not a terrible choice, but I'd like to see 2's ideas/reasoning. More, I'd like to see new stances from the more than half the player list with insufficient content for a solid read. Which means fresh topics of discussion. 2 and skitters probably aren't scum together, which means there's two more scum. Do you disagree that awoo looks objectively terrible right now regardless of which of them is scum?This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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BecauseIn post 300, Dunkerdoodles wrote:why aren't we just lynching him then?
A. We have other things to worry about today.
B. As per my role town has some method of having a PT and if it's not not 2 that makes him town.
At the very least, I want to hear from the people who aren't me and ETL some more.
Which doesn't in itself mean you're town, but firms up the "I can't just throw you in the townbin because you don't feel like scumflubs" bit.Flubbernugget wrote:We already established why my meta is different ftr
PEdit: Pretty much, with a little of there's a lot of lurking going on.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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To clarify, you're saying you're fine with your reads on {IS, ETL, Wicked, awoo, skitter, Fykus, Taiho, UC, me, DD, NK15}? All of them?
Okay, readslist. Go.
As it stands, even if we hit scum with the two lynch we don't have shit for information going into tomorrow other than vague misgivings about a hardbus being on the latter half of the wagon. As it stands, I'm missing players and I can't even tell who they are without checking the op. Whatever they have to say on the 2 or Skitter wagons is going to be stale repetitions of what has already been said. I can think of at least three people off of that list that deserve to have been pushed and only haven't because the 2 wagon found wings super early. That doesn't necessarily mean 2 is town, despite my paranoia, but it does mean that we've done fuckall with regard to about half of the player list, and I'd like to see attempts to remedy that situation. I'd also like to see this originate from not me, because I'm pretty sure everyone and their mother can agree that I'm so town it hurts at this point and I want to see people that are not me making waves, shaking things up and most importantly taking stances from which I can guess their alignments.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Okay, fuck playing things close to the chest and potentially just letting this bullshit stagnate.
My major concern with lynching two today is that nothing he's done is 100% scum. There's some stuff that's pretty damning, but nothing I've seen that should be capable of leading to this state of surety in everyone's eyes. There's no what if town paranoia, just a smooth resignation to the lynch.
This is a day one that leads to me and ETL getting shot and the game stagnating into a cesspit of replacements and no one actually giving a fuck, and the two lynch isn't going to change that.
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