Mini Normal 1941 - Game Over

[havingfitz]

Welcome fitz.
We are voting dunker. Then you can read and catch up over night.

Thanks.
Why?
I have a week...no need to wait until N1.

[havingfitz]

i mean we are also voting pisskop or elyse

but that's ok

Voting you is ok?

[havingfitz]

BloodedDoodle

Nice.


I haven't read the game yet. In the interests of rime I might forgo my normal longass catchups and just read the entire game and see where I'm at afterwards.

Aka comments asap.

[havingfitz]

Time...not rime.

[havingfitz]

@mod

Requesting replacement

I'm so sorry I've never replaced out of a game before but I honestly don't have time. I didn't think I'd be this busy. So sorry everyone

Boo.

[havingfitz]

I haven't read the game yet. In the interests of time I might forgo my normal longass catchups and just read the entire game and see where I'm at afterwards.

Aka comments asap.

Still efforting to do this but:

v/LA until Monday.

[havingfitz]

I'm at page nine and out the rest of the day. I will say at this moment I am suspect of Chill, tictac......thought there was one other but can't recall atm. Will try to finish read tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

I'm assuming the mod just hasn't come in to close the day yet. Not interested in twilight posting as I still need to catch up.

[havingfitz]

Checking in. Sorry for the activity level. I'm on vacation and reading motivation is low. I'm town though so don't stress it.
I have a pretty busy day ahead of me but will try to get a catchup read through done asap. I have 0 suspects atm iirc.

Just to be safe....

mod..consider me v/LA until Sept 20. Next Wednesday.

That said...I will try to get some posting in while I am v/LA.

[havingfitz]

OK...so my v/LA is over and I'm almost 50 pages in the hole. I had done some reading when I first replaced in but felt a reread was in order. 20 pages in I skipped to D2 due to the zzzzzzzzz.

I will say the one decent townread I had was Creature so a bit annoyed with that nk.

Read D2 on my phone and didn't take any notes to make scumcases. No one really standing out to me as being especially townie. Which I realize is a crap answer given how many pages of zzzzzzz there is to work with.

Four players I do not think I would be interested in voting today are Ghostlin (pending ISO/reread to see why he is the wagon leader), Morality and PantherPunt. I'm not townreading these players...I'd just prefer others gone before any of them (atm).

I need to do some more reading and with 15 days I have some time. Right now though I would probably be most likely to support a Tchill or BBT wagon. Maaaaybe Mulch or tic tac. I need to do a few ISO's before I consider putting any votes down though. And that's all based on gut ftmp.

Pardon the absentness. This slot has been worthless. I do not anticipate any extended absences in the near future other than my normal weekend apathy.

[havingfitz]

BBT, I'm surprised too.

Real life talk here, guys, I have school papers and plans this weekend. I will attempt to be here, but I is declaring semi- V/LA till

Monday the 25th

.

Want to give final reads before you are lynched?

This is really scummy to me but I don't know why

This is really scummy to me.....because it's just throwing out shade with no reasoning to be argued with others.

[havingfitz]

Done reading Vedith/Ghostlin.
Thought Vedith was town. Not a fan of Ghostlin's reads but tr him as well. I won't be voting there.

[havingfitz]

Read cd and Mulch. Townread cd so Mulch can be too.

[havingfitz]

ISOd Tchill...doubting readthrough gut scumread on him. He can be a slight townlean.

[havingfitz]

Ok...slight tr on BBT.

If I slight tr everyone I'm going to be pissed off.

[havingfitz]

I'm used to game sizes going from 9 (7v2) to 13 (10v3) so I'm not sure if 12p games here typically have 2 or typically have 3 scum - I'm guessing it depends on the PRs they have.

Coincidentally I looked through the Normal game archives this morning. Of the 4 or 5 12P games I came across before I stopped looking...only 1 had 2 scum. All the others had 3. I would err on the side of caution iiwy and assume 3.

[havingfitz]

The thing about Tchill, is that he makes it obvious whether he is town or scum the more he posts, but he just hasn't posted :/

Any progress on this read?

[havingfitz]

Spoiler: Una ISO

Day 1:

ISO1/#12 - Points suspicions towards the 4 players on the page 1 Vedith wagon. Say 1 of 4 is scum (Tchill, BBT, tictac, Dunker).

ISO3/#348 - 24 hours later he finally places a vote and it's not on any of the 4 players alluded to above. Also says he is most likely the same alignment as L-1 Mulch (who I am currently tr'ing). This would play in well with scum Una if the impending lynch on Mulch had gone through and he turned out to be town like I suspect atm. tictac calls him out on this association with Mulch and places a harmless Una vote.

ISO5/#461 - Lamenting his activity and lack of reads.

Spends a few posts shading Dunker but stating it's not enough to vote him.

ISO12/#474 - A little sarcasm directed at Tchill and Aero/fitz for the lack of attention they have been gettting.

ISO13/#478 - Says he can get behind a Tchill wagon (for essentially lynch all lurker reasoning) but doesn't put a vote on Tchill.

ISO16/#532 - Blows a little smoke up Creature's ass.

ISO21/#580 - Despite not really feeling a Dunker lynch up to this point decides to vote Dunk for the info his lynch would bring vs the pisskop counterwagon.

Not feeling this Dunker vote.

ISO22/#598 - I haven't ISO's Srceenplay yet but this Una post feels like playful banter/distancing between partners.

ISO23/#643 - Defends self a bit against Creature...Creature who is such a strong player per Una. Creature who seems certain Una is scum and who died N1.

ISO24/#680 - Unvotes Dunker and says he is probably town.

ISO27/#685 - Long post describing theory that Dunker was a counter to Srceenplay's L-5 wagon. No mention of the other wagons that were popping up in the same timeframe as the Dunker wagon (i.e. pisskop and Tchill).

ISO29/#707 - pisskop is way more likely scum than Elyse. Votes pisskop. Don't recall any reasoning.

ISO32/#713 - Sheeps Creature on BBT with no reasoning.

ISO33/#715 - Doesn't think Elyse is scum.

ISO34/#751 - Agreesa that Elyse would make a good late day policy lynch (along with Aero/fitz).

ISO35/#788 - Back to pisskop. Brings the wagon to L-2 and stays there the rest of day 1. If Una is scum....pisskop/Morality probably town.

Day 2:

ISO43/#1073 - Scumreading BBT, Srceenplay and Ghostlin...votes BBT for terrible ISO.

ISO45/#1077 - Advocates against the Ghostlin L-2 wagon because BBT and Srceenplay are on it. Somewhat consistent with his reads but also convenient if he is off a Ghostlin lynch that winds up hitting town.

tl;dr:

I could get behing a Una lynch. Nothing jumps out at me as town and he has managed to subtley support a few wagons while avoiding pushing them. i.e. Low commitment with a lot of shading is how I interpret his ISO.

Still have a few more ISO's to do but this feels better than anyone I've ISO'd so far.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

[havingfitz]

You have a good post there, it just feels like you read my ISO with the idea that you WANT to find me scum..

Go read it again with the assumption that I ACTUALLY thought we had one scum active very early:

I had no preconceived read on you. You were my 4th or 5th ISO and the first to come off suspect.

And your opinion we had 1 scum active early means nothing to me. You may very well be right. Assuming 3 scum thats the same odds as the entire game. No revelation or risk required.

[havingfitz]

Tictac hasn't posted since Monday morning. Wtf? Is he covertly v/la?

Mod?

[havingfitz]

You're already scum and I've said as much.

The fact you're playing out those scenarios shows you're thinking way too far ahead to try and plan out the game. Town don't do that.

Haven't caught up yet but town does need to Lynch something that gives them information and go into a direction for the next day phase. If town doesn't do that it's like shooting blind. The information from the Lynch is just as powerful as the Lynch itself

This is such a shitty post and seriously degrades my town lean on you. We know lynches provide info. I don't think a nl is in the cards...do you actually suspect Gjostlin and why? Ffs.

...but please vote BBT if Ghost flips town

Both of whom I'm leaning town on.

[havingfitz]

Who is the scum in Ghost wagon, if you don't think it's BBT?
I can't accept an all-town wagon at this point myself.

I haven't sorted Srceenplay and Morality iirc. And the Tchill vote is terrible.

[havingfitz]

Ghostlin's reaction to TChill voting him is not a town reaction.

Unless he's town of course.

[havingfitz]

I mean, if Ghost ends up being scum, I will power tunnel here and consider it an all town wagon at this point.

Tunnel who?

[havingfitz]

I thought Panther was the hammer. If Ghostlin hammered himself I hope he's scum and I was wrong on Vedith.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: havingfitz
One down Boyz

VOTE: havingfitz
Go mulch go

Ah...the joy of having two, albeit questionable, townreads vote me. Lovely.

I'll give any revised reads asap w/ vote.

FYI mod...I'll be v/la for a wedding Friday afternoon till Tuesday morning (Oct 8th).

[havingfitz]

I'm sheeping mulch until sunday when I actually might have time and energy to provide something more.

VOTE: havingfitz

At least you could say Mulch got it wrong when I flip town

What's your current read on BBT/Lucky2u?

VOTE: UnaBombah

[havingfitz]

im sheeping mulch rn.

Why?

[havingfitz]

^ cool. I tend to have great reads. Which I have shown if you are town. Sheep me on UnaBombaH.

[havingfitz]

I was v/la until today mod so prod is unnecessary.

Panther...if you are town please unvote.

[havingfitz]

I'm not feeling Panther. I could do Elena. None of that sounded right.

VOTE: Elena

[havingfitz]

Spoiler: Una ISO

Day 1:

ISO1/#12 - Points suspicions towards the 4 players on the page 1 Vedith wagon. Say 1 of 4 is scum (Tchill, BBT, tictac, Dunker).

ISO3/#348 - 24 hours later he finally places a vote and it's not on any of the 4 players alluded to above. Also says he is most likely the same alignment as L-1 Mulch (who I am currently tr'ing). This would play in well with scum Una if the impending lynch on Mulch had gone through and he turned out to be town like I suspect atm. tictac calls him out on this association with Mulch and places a harmless Una vote.

ISO5/#461 - Lamenting his activity and lack of reads.

Spends a few posts shading Dunker but stating it's not enough to vote him.

ISO12/#474 - A little sarcasm directed at Tchill and Aero/fitz for the lack of attention they have been gettting.

ISO13/#478 - Says he can get behind a Tchill wagon (for essentially lynch all lurker reasoning) but doesn't put a vote on Tchill.

ISO16/#532 - Blows a little smoke up Creature's ass.

ISO21/#580 - Despite not really feeling a Dunker lynch up to this point decides to vote Dunk for the info his lynch would bring vs the pisskop counterwagon.

Not feeling this Dunker vote.

ISO22/#598 - I haven't ISO's Srceenplay yet but this Una post feels like playful banter/distancing between partners.

ISO23/#643 - Defends self a bit against Creature...Creature who is such a strong player per Una. Creature who seems certain Una is scum and who died N1.

ISO24/#680 - Unvotes Dunker and says he is probably town.

ISO27/#685 - Long post describing theory that Dunker was a counter to Srceenplay's L-5 wagon. No mention of the other wagons that were popping up in the same timeframe as the Dunker wagon (i.e. pisskop and Tchill).

ISO29/#707 - pisskop is way more likely scum than Elyse. Votes pisskop. Don't recall any reasoning.

ISO32/#713 - Sheeps Creature on BBT with no reasoning.

ISO33/#715 - Doesn't think Elyse is scum.

ISO34/#751 - Agreesa that Elyse would make a good late day policy lynch (along with Aero/fitz).

ISO35/#788 - Back to pisskop. Brings the wagon to L-2 and stays there the rest of day 1. If Una is scum....pisskop/Morality probably town.

Day 2:

ISO43/#1073 - Scumreading BBT, Srceenplay and Ghostlin...votes BBT for terrible ISO.

ISO45/#1077 - Advocates against the Ghostlin L-2 wagon because BBT and Srceenplay are on it. Somewhat consistent with his reads but also convenient if he is off a Ghostlin lynch that winds up hitting town.

tl;dr:

I could get behing a Una lynch. Nothing jumps out at me as town and he has managed to subtley support a few wagons while avoiding pushing them. i.e. Low commitment with a lot of shading is how I interpret his ISO.

Still have a few more ISO's to do but this feels better than anyone I've ISO'd so far.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

I'm sheeping mulch until sunday when I actually might have time and energy to provide something more.

VOTE: havingfitz

At least you could say Mulch got it wrong when I flip town

What's your current read on BBT/Lucky2u?

VOTE: UnaBombah

Show me how fitz+Una works.

I'm not saying it couldn't

, I'm just interested in hearing how.

How are you "not saying it couldn't?" I

know

it "couldn't" because I'm town. smh......town shouldn't be leaving the option of being scum open. (scum shouldn't either but they at least have to think about it...town shouldn't).

VOTE: UnaBombaH

[havingfitz]

Anyone high up town for you and/or definite scum for you?

Mostly slim t&s leans tenuously based on read-throughs that didn't have anything ping me significantly either way.

Una pinged me most of the ISO's I have done which I provided in my spoiler on him.

I still have a few other ISO's to do. Elena pinged me a bit on some of her posts and is a slight scumread via poe. If Una is the lynch and flips scum I would rethink her.

[havingfitz]

I just read fitz ISO tonight. I didn't notice anything scumy. Have you seen anything or just have the feels?

Mostly feels, however they felt extra scummy around the Ghost lynch, and they had a few recent posts that felt scummy too

Your "feels" suck.
I thought Vedith was town so didn't even look hard at Ghost...ergo my "feels" suck too.

[havingfitz]

This sort of feels like he is setting up a chain of lynches of Una----Elena

Are you serious? I was asked who my stronger town and scum reads were. Is everyone who gives more than one suspect lining up lynches? Are you trying to lose my tr on you? ffs.....

[havingfitz]

And I did'nt like the nitpicky of words in 1492

More lame ass shade.

If someone says they think you and I are a possible scumteam are you going to leave that option as a possibility? I'm not.

That's not being nitpicky....that's paying attention to what's being said.

[havingfitz]

@Panther...you read me as scum? If so how so?

[havingfitz]

i tried to energize the game a bit with that fake day kill... fits is a fine mislynch.

Fixed.

[havingfitz]

Panther and Una....what are your current reads on each other?

And Panther...please answer my earlier question to you also please.

[havingfitz]

v/LA for weekend. Will post if I get the chance.

Mulch...why don't you make a case on me so I can tell you why you don't know wtf you are talking about?

[havingfitz]

I'll vote No Lynch after claims.

[havingfitz]

Damn you're a whiney bitch Panther. If you don't like the site leave and let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

You aren't the captain of shit. Scum know who town are so if you had the keen insight to profess a bad player (this game at least) like Una was town it means nothing to anyone other than you.

And since the concept of popcorn eludes you I'll claim next. Vt.

Mulch can go next.

[havingfitz]

told you bitchasses

I just want this horrible no-fun game on this shitbag site to be over

Damn you're a whiney bitch Panther.

not cool

Not cool.

and calling Una a bad player is also dickish, baseless, and uncalled for

Also, if this game is lost to mulch at some point, you're a pussy for avoiding this game

Try practicing what you preach

[havingfitz]

Sigh...so lylo with 2 pending claims and a tbd. Not a lot of help there I expect.

[havingfitz]

I'm not scum. I'm town. Panther and Mulch are both some combo of scum and or dkwtf they're talking about.

I'm v/la until Monday ...so don't expect much time to devote to this game until Monday.

[havingfitz]

I am around the next hour or so while getting car inspected for short exchanges.

[havingfitz]

If the mason claim is real...scum is in Panther.Mulch.Elena.

Looking over BBT and Srceenplay iso's I believe their claim. I'll sheep masons immediately or wait till Monday at the latest to make my vote.

[havingfitz]

Panther and mulch had some back and forth I thought could be SvS.
Anyone else think that?

Sv? for sure.

[havingfitz]

You reading EF as scum?

I'm saying she's in the trio of possibilities. I haven't ruled any of them out. Pre re-read I would say I'd rank tjem Mulch...Panther...Elena.

[havingfitz]

Scummiest...scummy...could be scum.

[havingfitz]

You townread me all game and now just call me scum

fuck off

you obvious and this again is not my fault if the masons take the most obvious scum in the game , likely with panther, and lynch me instead

1. You fuck off you little internet tool.
2. Clearing 2 players as masons changes reads Einstein.
3. You've scum read me the entire game...so we've both been wrong.
4. Fine. VOTE: Mulch

[havingfitz]

You townread me all game and now just call me scum

fuck off

you obvious and this again is not my fault if the masons take the most obvious scum in the game , likely with panther, and lynch me instead

1. You fuck off you little internet tool.
2. Clearing 2 players as masons changes reads Einstein.
3. You've scum read me the entire game...so we've both been wrong.
4. Fine. VOTE: Mulch

Scum

Scum

[havingfitz]

“So we both been wrong”

??????

Is this a slip??

How is "this" a slip Chicken Little?

You've been scum reading me.....you've been characteristically wrong.

I've been town reading you...and post mason claim deem you scummiest of my three remaining options.

Easy peasy.

[havingfitz]

You're still scum.

Wow...that's easy.

[havingfitz]

I think fitz is probably scum.

I'm not scum. I'm town.

[havingfitz]

I think fitz is probably scum.

I'm not scum. I'm town.

Well NOW you say so /s

Sarcasm aside...I have mentioned it before.

[havingfitz]

So why is a No Lynch off the table?

If the mason claim is true (which I believe it is)...scum could choose to:

a. scum NK one of the masons, thereby confirming the other, and we enter tomorrow in essentially the same situation we are in today.
b. scum wifom it up and kill a non-mason. For those who believe the mason claim this would reveal who the final scum are to the lone remaining non-mason town person.

If the mason claim is false...scum could:

c. not perform a NK and we are in the same spot we are now.
d. see b.

Annnnnnnd after thinking it over...most of possibilities don't really give any advantage to town and the one that does probably would not be enticing to scum.

Luckily for me...a mislynch on me cannot happen unless the masons support it.

So masons...why do you think I am more likely to be scum than the other three players you have to choose from?

[havingfitz]

UNVOTE: No lynch

Let's maybe figure this out today

Intent to vote Fitz. Lol

Only took 3 minutes figure "it" out. Impressive.

"It" being who to push a mislynch on of course.

[havingfitz]

if we lynch Fitz it's like

3%

100% chance we lose

Fixed

so in all worlds fitz is always the right lynch here and pretty much guaranteed to be scum

You're

stupid

wrong.

yikes but fliz iso is just so bad tsk tsk

Elena...I've mentioned this in previous games. The username is not fliz. If I can have the courtesy of referring to you how you prefer...I would appreciate if you would do the same.

Also btw....srceen and lucky are essentially locktown confirmed fmpov as they both could have voted me for the win by now.

[havingfitz]

Doing a reread. Second guessing Mulch vote.

UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

A little VCA while I have some time.

So as mentioned earlier screen and lucky are confirmed fmpov as a mislynch today wins it for scum and they have had the opportunity to mislynch me for some time now.

Taking that in to mind...

Day 1

Everybody still alive was on the Dunkerdoodle mislynch other than me. So all (assuming 3) 3 scum were the D1 mislynch and therefore it is NAI.

I realize this will be twisted into a "Aeronaut stayed away from the mislynch" negative shade but I'm town so it is what it is.

The other wagons of significance on D1 IMO were:
Scum!Vedith (Ghost) getting to L-2 early on - Those alive not on that early scum wagon were: AFK Aeronaut (me), cd (Mulch) and AFK Elyse (Panther).

I don't really read much in to this wagon as I doubt it had the legs to make it to a lynch so early D1 and was more of a reaction test IMO.

Mulch getting to L-1 - Mulch was at L-1 (i.e. wagon commitment) for a decent amount of time D1. scumVedith was on Mulch the entire time he was at L-1. The only players NOT voting Mulch at L-1 were ~AFK Aeronaut (me), Mulch and Elena.

This makes me think revert to my prior read on Mulch that he is probably town. It was early enough in D1 (past RVS though) that finding someone else to vote would have been easy rather than lynching a partner. If Mulch is town that would make Panther and Elena scum.

pisskop getting to L-2 before the Dunker lynch sprung up. All three of my pool of suspects were on pisskop's mislynch wagon while both masons and I were off it.

So FMPOV pretty NAI given Mulch, Panther & tictac were all on it.

Last D1 wagon I think deserving of comment....Elyse (Panther) got to L-3. Pretty far from a lynch but there were three town on it. The only remaining player on the Elyse wagon is Mulch. tictac (Elena) was notably off the wagon.

Notable for the fact that tictac was on half the player field D1 and yet stayed away from the leading wagon that day.

Additionally...but not very telling, no one voted BBT (Lucky) D1 while and Mulch and tictac (Elena) both had votes at one point on Srceen.

Day 2

Only wagon of note was the scum!Ghost lynch wagon. Mulch supported it all day. Panther put it at L-1 before scum!Ghost self-hammered to end the day. tictac stayed away from the wagon all day. I was town reading Ghostlin based on my tr on Vedith and pushing UnaBombaH. meh.

I think the likeliest vote on a scum buddy is going to be a get in on the credit L-1 than committed support such as Mulch gave. tictac staying away is also telling IMO. I also detect a little passive tictac support to scum!Ghost in posts 1021 and 1024.

Day 3

Only wagon worth mentioning here is the mislynch wagon on UnaBombaH which I am probably most responsible for. But I'm town so let's see who else was on it...Srceen, Mulch and Elena. Panther was busy voting both masons towards the end of D3. He also pushed BBT before his L-1 on scum!Ghost D2.

Not seeing anything that AI on the Una wagon. I think more telling is that Panther stayed away from it while targeting now ~confirmed masons. He also laid a meaningless vote on Elena early D3 before a brief, defiant self-vote when both masons were parked on him.

Day 4

Still TBD. Both masons have claimed. Mulch has scum read my slot most of the game and is quick to vote me. He is joined by Panther...who had yet to vote me in this game. Panther apparently seeing more promise in my wagon versus Elena's, who he saw fit to vote yesterday.

tl:dr;

Long story short...I think VCA's point towards a Panther, Elena team. As annoying as I am finding Mulch I think it is more likely than not that he is town.

A lynch can't go through today without one or both of the masons supporting it so I will sheep them on either Panther or Elena. I'm not going to self-vote because that would = town loss...and barring some compelling case...I think Mulch is probably town.

[havingfitz]

Zzzzzzzz

[havingfitz]

Interesting. @fitz convince me your town

How does one do that?
Remind me your case on me.

VOTE: mulch

I think Mulch is probably town. Why are you sr'ing him?

I’m waiting for EF
Still have time.

What's your Mulch read?

VOTE: lucky

Fuck it. Not changing until you move your vote. Remember, the game loss is on you

Do you not belive the mason claim? If so...this vote is useless.

[havingfitz]

What are you doing, fool

Why is lucky a fool? If you are town...guaranteed Elena is scum.

[havingfitz]

Fitz it's mostly PoE and your interactions with ghostlin... I just want you to town case yourself

Well...I don't really recall many interactions with Ghost as I townread Vedith and transferred that read to Ghost despite the support his wagon seemed to be garnering. I don't even know what people's main points on him were.

And I have no control over your reads on others (other than the points I made earlier today on Elena and Panther) so if POE points you away from them and towards me....or you get a gut feel....that's hard to debate.

I will say I am town in this game and a lynch on me loses the game for town.

I'll look myself over tomorrow and see if I can find anything actions etc that would shine a town light on me.

[havingfitz]

@Mulch.

OK...so in the spirit of "why the hell not"...I'll see if there is a town case that can be made on my slot.

My predecessor (Aeronaut) didn't enter the game until page 16 and was in the game a total of 5 RL days and made all of 9 posts. His only inferred/stated reads were that he townread Vedith (who at this point was a claimed vig) and suspected pisskop (who at this point was the only person voting the aforementioned tr/CL'd vig). So a case could be made for chainsawing? Aero didn't do anything that screamed town.

Me.

I join the game near the end of D1 on page 33. The day before my typical weekend v/la. I don't really have an opinion on Dunker at this point and when I get back from v/LA he hass been lynched. My initial suspicions are towards chill (aka town) and tictac (aka Elena).

Almost immediately on to another long v/LA due to visiting sick family out of state. No checking in and post v/LA...50 pages in the hole.

1151 - Whining about being behind and not contributing (truth). Say I'm not interested in Ghost (pending ISO), Morality and Panther. Most likely willing to support Chill or BBT (baaaad) and perhaps Mulch or tictac.

1174 - I give Mulch some flak for shading Srceen. So at least I wasn't suspecting one of the masons. That has to be a plus!

OK...I'm finally catching up and getting some reads (based on actually getting caught up) posted.

1175 - Town reading Vedith so by association, despite some things I do not like about Ghost...I tr Ghost. (baaaad)
1186 - Same thing with cd....townread him and by association, extend tr to Mulch despite some things I do not like. This is before Ghost flips scum so Mulch not even banking any town cred for that yet.
1187 - Change earlier gut scumread on Chill to a town read (gooood)
1188 - Change earlier gut scumread on BBT to a town read (good good good good good).

I'm townreading the Vedith slot D2 so I avoid that wagon (baaaad) and vote someone I find suspect...Una (baaad).

I make a few posts giving Chill crap for his views/vote on Ghost. So not good. But he was a town read for me so...

Ghost is lynched and is scum. Yay town! Bad fitz!...for shit tr on him.

Annnd Day 3 begins with a quick wagon on me with two of my town reads voting me.. Probably deservedly so at this point.

On to another long weekend.v/LA (for a wedding). But before that I vote Una (baad).

Back from v/LA...Una not going anywhere so I move to Elena (I suspect gooood).

Una picks up steam...Una doing things I do not understand. Back to Una (baaad).

1474 gives my current thoughts on the game after voting Una.

Towards end of D3 I look to be on the defensive quite a bit...questioning Mulch and Panther scum reads on me.

Off to weekend v/LA....when v?LA ends...Una has been lynched and flipped town. pffft.

Day 4

I'm apparently in a snarky mood to start today as I snap (deservedly so imo) at Panther.

People are claiming...we have masons....I believe their claims based on ISO of them. My pool of suspects drops from 5 to 3.

I'm getting annoyed with Mulch and essentially OMGUS vote him before my refresher VCA points out Mulch is more than likely town.

I'm left with Panther and Elena...who are both voting me...and I'm town. So they are voting for the scum win.

In summary...

seems like a lot of feels and guts for people scum reading me. Which looking at VCA and who I have townread and scumnread is not un reasonable.

I will say that it is not my scum play to defend a partner to excess...if they are pretty much locked in to being the day's lynch I will join the wagon. Otherwise I tend to avoid bussing at all costs, but I won't fall on my sword to avoid it.

I think my town read on Vedith was stemming mostly from the vig claim and even when Ghost backtracked on it...I maintained my Vedith WTF is he doing??? towncred. As for Una...I just thought what I perceived as his unwillingness to commit to a wagon after D1 while throwing in some OMGUS for voting me was scummy. First game with him....I misread him.

As for the town read on Mulch...it comes primarily from Vedith's commitment to the cd wagon and the Mulch presence on Ghost's lynch. Otherwise I really don't like how Mulch has voted. Hammers on Dunk and Una (despite not liking one or both of their wagons iirc?) and his persistence on me. But I'm a sucker for commitment and if Vedith and Mulch did bus the hell out of each other....smh to them.

That's a pretty shit town case on myself Mulch....activity level and poor reads have not been my friend. It's probably more of a towncase if you POE against the suspicions I bring up towards Panther and Elena.

[havingfitz]

Fitz and Elena are townreading me. At least one of them has to be scum. Thus, one scum is fake townreading me

You said everyone is town reading you. FtownYPOV that should mean both scum are fake townreading you...not one.

I think I prefer Elena. Shit like the above makes me want to sort them out tomorrow.

Where are the mason's heads at?

[havingfitz]

Fitz unfortunately I do not know If you are town yet. Your town case sucked . I’m going to make a full decision on my vote later today

I basically said it sucked. I probably come across more town when I'm scum trying to look town. Here I've tried and been wrong when I've had time to try.

[havingfitz]

^ ah...the classic perk tell /s. You can be sum just for suggesting it.

My activity is consitent...across games regardless of alignment. This recently becoming my only game has helped.

[havingfitz]

For example, in your one wall, you wrote some parenthetical thing like "now you might say...Aeronut avoided that mislynch wagon."

I think that's a scum mindset whereas a town mindset wouldn't really even go there.

Well...I'm town. And when I assess a votecount I absolutely look at it that way. Either to hopefully find scum or to manipulate the opinion of town.

Whiiiiich....if I was scum I guarantee I would have a less crappy voting history.

[havingfitz]

I'm not scum.

I have both scum voting me with 1 wrong town. Whichever of you on my wagon are town I would ask you invote me in the interest of not losing the game for town.

VOTE: Elena

[havingfitz]

fitz went from me as top tr top 2nd top tr to top tr again and now he's voting me yeah I'm pretty confident in this read if you got any questions cabd (you should know my main) ask away.

What are you even talking about?

Yesterday and today (D3-4) this is how I have viewed you:

I'm not feeling Panther. I could do Elena. None of that sounded right.

VOTE: Elena

You reading EF as scum?

I'm saying she's in the trio of possibilities. I haven't ruled any of them out. Pre re-read I would say I'd rank tjem Mulch...Panther...

Elena

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Scummiest...scummy...

could be scum

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Doing a reread. Second guessing Mulch vote.

UNVOTE:

What are you doing, fool

Why is lucky a fool? If you are town...

guaranteed Elena is scum

.

[havingfitz]

Srceen and Cabd....I'm town.

Figure out who is scum in the other three and let's not lose this for town. Right now my money's on: Elena AND Panther or Mulch....leaning Panther.

[havingfitz]

Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.

[havingfitz]

What's up mason? How are you both leaning? If it's my direction talk it through with me because I'm town and would prefer town not lose...and especially not being the lynch that causes town to lose.

[havingfitz]

Elena...you ignore my response to your accusation/shade that I had you as "top tr top 2nd top tr to top tr again" when it is clear..even before the masons claimed...that you were someone I suspect (ex. Post 1418).

And how can you call me out for a contradiction (which doesn't even exist as I have shown) when at the same time you acknowledge "that's true of course from everyone's pov?" So stating a truth is a contradiction?

No...a contradiction (or lie?) is you saying I was town reading you and then voted you when my post above shows this is not the case.

You're being lazy and not even trying to fabricate a worthy mislynch case against me. Just baseless weak accusations to try and shift the masons towards me. Because that is all scum needs in this game is for the masons to agree. Unless of course the other non-mason townie is in agreement with you and then you just need one mason. I'm more confident in your alignment than I am in Mulch and Panthers.

I am not confident in my Mulch read. I actually just looked over some of my games with Vedith this morning and he has absolutely no problem bussing partners through to a lynch. Which was the reason I was clearing Mulch to begin with. Taking bussing town cred out of the equation and Mulch has the worst VCA from my POV. The reluctant hammer on both mislynches and pushing me much of the game.

Panther has actually said some things that have made me second guess suspecting him. I would prefer to sort them out tomorrow. You are the surer thing imo based on your play today. Call it your tone or gut....both are about as ambiguous a read against someone as one can get. Like your last comment towards me.

What is more likely Srceen and Cabd

...that scum would unnecessarily extend the game another day by bussing their partner or that scum would want to end the day now for the win? There is no reason to extend the game when it is in their grasp. The fact everyone other than a mason is voting me should scream to the masons (and whoever the other town is) that I am town.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: mulch

What's your read on Elena and was there anything that tipped the scales for you voting Mulch?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: mulch

What's your read on Elena and was there anything that tipped the scales for you voting Mulch?

Idk
Cabd told me in our pt that mulch is the lynch today. I’m just sheeping

I'd prefer Elena but l'm sheeping the masons. Plus realizing Vedith is fine bussing partners took away my primary towncred towards Mulch.

VOTE: Mulch

[havingfitz]

This is not my problem, this is a systematic MS problem with people that are just bad at mafia.

You mean like your persistent push to get me mislynched?

Or these:

VOTE: lucky

Fuck it. Not changing until you move your vote. Remember, the game loss is on you

Voting a mason.

VOTE: screen

Voting the other mason.

VOTE: mulch

I hope this isn't considered game throwing


Not playing this game anymore

Voting yourself? AtE much?

VOTE: screen

Back to a mason.

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Fitz panther

Panther are you town?

ROFL

You realize there can not be a lynch today that is not supported by one or both of the masons. If you are their choice you are a better vote for me then myself. I'm 100% town and lynching me loses the game. From my pov you = my only option to vote and a better lynch any day than me.

[havingfitz]

"100% town" goes into my collection of favorite scum phrasings

When town says it?

[havingfitz]

Lookung over the last several pages.

An Elena Mulch team looks good.

[havingfitz]

I started a tictac/ Elena iso and home lost power. Will fimish tomorrow morning if day still open.

[havingfitz]

Probably would have had more activity in the dead pt if dead people had received it