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[Lucky2u]

Hi everybody!

[Lucky2u]

Hi everybody!

If I may ask: Go read my ISO and try to form your read on me.
TRY to look past how I read BBT or how he looked me - I'm genuinely interested in hearing how you'll sort me.

I have. You are a town fool. Stop fighting the town players and we'll get along well.

[Lucky2u]

Hello.
Can't wait for you to relay your thoughts.

I'm also curious to hear from tics replacement.

Mobile for now. I'll post something good tonight when home

Reading back I think Panther would be a great lynch for today.

I'll second that.

[Lucky2u]

Oh my God my favorite character from uncharted! How's Nathan!?

Ok so we are agreed on panther right?

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: panther

[Lucky2u]

I thought mulch was one of the more vocal attendees in the Ghostlin-wagon?

That could make him town but that doesn't mean he is right (see your own reads from yesterday on ghostlin). Instead consider the panther wagon. It has cookies.

[Lucky2u]

I am Maki. I just couldn't get the account to activate so I picked a dif account.

That helps, but you're still the tictac slot.

If you're town, just do you and it should shine through, right?

Of course I'm not telling you to unvote me am I?
I'll read the rest later tonight as I have dinner plans but for the sake of it

VOTE: Creature

he has a confirmed role?
UNVOTE:

Still on page 12 and by confirmed role do you mean clear or we know he is a certain role? (okay I am leaving now otherwise I will get in trouble haha)

I... I don't know what to do with this...

[Lucky2u]

I want to agree with Panther but can I be wrong about him?
Could he buss twice?
Mulch you have experience with him. Can he?
Let's wait and see if mrs fisher try's to force more town tells on ketchup.

Panther's explanation is that no one reads the game without looking at flips first. His implication being that no TOWN reads a game without looking at flips first. So Elena must be putting on a show. Is it possible that a town replacement who came in the game didn't look at the flips, or did look at the flips and forgot who was who? I'm quoting screen here but I generally want everyone to answer this.

[Lucky2u]

Vote Count

havingfitz (3) - Mulch, Tchill13, UnaBombaH
PantherPunt (2) - Lucky2u, Srceenplay
UnaBombaH (1) - havingfitz
Elena Fischer (1) - PantherPunt

Not Voting (1) - Elena Fischer

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

havingfitz is V/LA through October 8th

Deadline for Day Three is October 17th, 6:30AM PST. In (expired on 2017-10-17 06:30:00)

ok let's talk folks. 3 of you on havingfitz. why? where do we go from here?

[Lucky2u]

Holy cow was that the original deadline? Yikes.

Anyway. Now that mulch has come back. Unabomber, you still feeling the sheep? You could easily switch to this nice panther wagon.

[Lucky2u]

I think Panther seems a bit too desparate rather than logical from what I know of him. He usually dosne't pounce on scumslips from what I've seen. Leaning scum. Could hammer that wagon. I also don't like his Una read.

You are welcome to hop on over as well mulch!

[Lucky2u]

You can actually do the same with a vote tchill

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: unabombah

I'm going to do a completely 180 here. this is a good lynch today.

[Lucky2u]

Vote Count

havingfitz (3) - Mulch, Tchill13, UnaBombaH
PantherPunt (2) - Lucky2u, Srceenplay
UnaBombaH (1) - havingfitz
Elena Fischer (1) - PantherPunt

Not Voting (1) - Elena Fischer

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

havingfitz is V/LA through October 8th

Deadline for Day Three is October 17th, 6:30AM PST. In (expired on 2017-10-17 06:30:00)

ok let's talk folks. 3 of you on havingfitz. why? where do we go from here?

counter-question: do you have a 'why not'? or are you just asking for a reason from the voters? have you read fitz? it's a quick and easy read

VOTE: unabombah

I'm going to do a completely 180 here. this is a good lynch today.

Why do you think una is scum?

I have read fitz, I scum lean on it, but I was happier with your lynch until the last few pages of you and screen. At the same time I was reviewing una and I think the reasons behind me thinking they were foolish town was just me prefering my other scum reads. They have done their best today to accept no responsibility for happens on whatever wagon they land on. 9/10 thats going to be scum.

[Lucky2u]

I think this is where I am at now.

Town:
-Lucky2u -screen
-
-Elena
-Mulch
-Fitz
-Tchill
-Panther
-Una

In 12 player setup, still unsure we are even looking for a team. But I am ok with a Una panther team. Mulch has me kind of worried for reading my 180 as town, the way I did it should probably have pinged nothing or pinged scum. I'm not over all worried about it though since one interaction does not condemn a person. Fitz looks more town to me then before after the last few posts.i don't think I'll end today there.

[Lucky2u]

Formatting errors aside, anyone think I'm far off?

[Lucky2u]

I think this is where I am at now.

Town:
-Lucky2u -screen
-
-Elena
-Mulch
-Fitz
-Tchill
-Panther
-Una

In 12 player setup, still unsure we are even looking for a team. But I am ok with a Una panther team. Mulch has me kind of worried for reading my 180 as town, the way I did it should probably have pinged nothing or pinged scum. I'm not over all worried about it though since one interaction does not condemn a person. Fitz looks more town to me then before after the last few posts.i don't think I'll end today there.

So have you read the whole game?

And if you see my read list, I obviously fall into the category of "I think you're far off"

but I have you as a leading scum candidate, so that part can be held aside.

Why is screen top town for you?

What is the basis for your scumread on me?

I don't think we need to explain in too much detail about why we scum read each other. There is zero chance we share a PT. I'll sum it up for you though to give you and everyone else an idea of where I am at after reading day 2 again and paying attention to the interactions. Morality secured the Ghostlin lynch by throwing his towniness behind it. His last reads were that he was going to go after Una, your likely other scum partner who you haven't voted for today because you don't want to bus your last hope. You killed morality because you saw him as the biggest threat of organizing the players on Ghostlin's wagon before your scummy "hammer" and rolling that wagon on over Una and yourself the next day. I see your attacks on screen and myself as a way to undermine that possible town momentum.

Screen is super town, none of the cases you have made against him have swayed me in the slightest. Is there even anyone else that scum reads him right now?

[Lucky2u]

Eh. I told you not much of a point in us talking about why we scum read one another. One thing though, I've been gone from the site awhile so maybe Im out of touch on this. What's wrong with narritive writing? Are we only allowed to make cases and thoughts in bullet points and quote walls now?

[Lucky2u]

Mulch...why don't you make a case on me so I can tell you why you don't know wtf you are talking about?

I don't have a case on you, I'm sorry

Not sure if you're just kidding here because Fitz asked or if you really are voting on pure feels, but with less than 3 days left I'd like it if you had some reasoning for your only scum read.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: lucky2u

This is the lynch

That's cute. I guess you're trying to go for the no lynch today. This 12p setup practically forces that one will happen.

[Lucky2u]

The fact that you think there is doubt my slot is town is my only explanation as to why I am still alive. So thank you for that.

[Lucky2u]

So panther is off the Una wagon. Tchill and mulch, unless Una self votes, you decide if we are lynching someone today.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Una
He has proven himself wrong all game and still won’t budge and consider his Town read on PantherPunt is wrong.

Remember to announce L-1.

[Lucky2u]

I'm still the worst lynch out of the bunch, so that vote has the potential to be detrimental.

You're the worst lynch out of the bunch? really? Are you trying to allude to something I'm missing here? What was your claim btw?

[Lucky2u]

Dying reads list, town to scum {screen, Elena, Tchill, mulch, Fitz, panther}

Good night everyone!

[Lucky2u]

I agree with mass claim. Should popcorn it. I nominate panther to start

[Lucky2u]

I think that whoever Screen guilties and him are both never getting nightkilled, so that would force Me/Fitz/lucky/Elena to be a nightkill if we no lynch, which should give valuable info. So no matter what Screen says, I think it's best to no lynch.

You mean night killed tonight right? If we lynch the guilty tomorrow, it becomes a necessity to kill screen.

[Lucky2u]

no it was totally called for. una was a bad town player this game. he said it himself being on a town wagon, against a scum wagon, and dies on a town wagon, but you'll see why shortly. let's get this over with mulch, town has a game to win

[Lucky2u]

popcorn mulch, popcorn!

[Lucky2u]

Since screen is playing it that way, I think the best thing to say at this point is that I am also not a VT. So elena, if you are scum thinking about fake claiming, think very hard about your fake claim lest one of us counter claim you. If you are town, just tell the truth.

[Lucky2u]

thanks elena. the fact that everyone claimed VT is super surprising. it also explains why we have no flips other than VTs. It makes the next step alot easier, though it also makes tomorrow alot harder. If you don't mind screen, since I don't think it matters which one of us does it, I'll do the honors.

I am a mason. Two guesses as to who my partner is and the first one doesn't count.

[Lucky2u]

yea a setup with 2 masons, and no other PRs is a bit vanilla....

[Lucky2u]

yea a fake claim might have been better. still, atleast we don't have to worry about going into tomorrow having to defend our claim.

[Lucky2u]

Did you guys breadcrumb at all?

Is that a serious question?

No we didn't. We dropped whole cookies in our ISOs

[Lucky2u]

I think this is where I am at now.

Town:
-Lucky2u -screen
-
-Elena
-Mulch
-Fitz
-Tchill
-Panther
-Una

In 12 player setup, still unsure we are even looking for a team. But I am ok with a Una panther team. Mulch has me kind of worried for reading my 180 as town, the way I did it should probably have pinged nothing or pinged scum. I'm not over all worried about it though since one interaction does not condemn a person. Fitz looks more town to me then before after the last few posts.i don't think I'll end today there.

Here is my favorite, but seriously iso us and BBT

[Lucky2u]

Unless you think llama is running an all VT game, there is no reason not to believe the claim. I've been away from the site awhile but can anyone point to any game where any mod used no power roles in a mini normal?

[Lucky2u]

With no other PRs, I agree with Elena. There is nothing to be gained but the silencing of a confirmed town. At least with a lynch today we can get some vote analysis.

[Lucky2u]

If it's Elena I agree, wp scum. For me the lynch today is between panther and you mulch. Fitz is a straggling third.

[Lucky2u]

I don't respond well to those types of appeals. TBH though, my personal preference (to nobody's surprise) will be panther.

[Lucky2u]

Probably but our suspicions are a bit out of sync I think. I'll let him speak for himself, but I don't think he has panther at the top of his list according to our last PT conversation.

[Lucky2u]

Do you think CD vs Vedith could be ScumvScum Lucky that's my main thing for town Mulch at the moment
Panther has this whole "I hate everything ate" thing going on for him and fliz well...yeah

I'll have to reread CD vs vedith.

[Lucky2u]

From your point of view Elena, with 3 town reads, and yourself. That leaves only Fitz and panther. Are you ok with that team by POE?

[Lucky2u]

I generally agree with that. Unfortunately for Mulch that puts him in the traingle lynch pool of (Panther, Fitz, Mulch). Had you been night killed over tchill, this would be a square lynch pool for me.

[Lucky2u]

Can I take a quick look here, what's the stance on Fitz around this table? Scum or not scum will suffice.

[Lucky2u]

If it's Elena I agree, wp scum. For me the lynch today is between panther and you mulch. Fitz is a straggling third.

And then they both vote together.

Then both voting Fitz in quick succession like that is setting off alarm bells for me. I don't know what to do.

[Lucky2u]

And the worse mason head is lucky. You get 75% of the blame for having a god awful townread on obvious scum

I'd appreciate it if you didn't do that. This isn't an alignment thing, just a player request. It's one thing to call a player bad in the course of debate but you calling me bad now when I'm confirmed town is just being rude.

[Lucky2u]

And the worse mason head is lucky. You get 75% of the blame for having a god awful townread on obvious scum

I'd appreciate it if you didn't do that. This isn't an alignment thing, just a player request. It's one thing to call a player bad in the course of debate but you calling me bad now when I'm confirmed town is just being rude.

Ok. What does being bad have to do with your allignment .

That being said I apologize, I’m just in a bad mood today for various reasons

I'll entertain that discussion post game.

As for where I am voting. I am still hung up on panther. I find his ignoring of the ghostlin wagon until it was inevitable scum. His hammer on that wagon was scum. His defense on Una who flipped town but was so scummy seems more like inside knowledge then good town read. Me and screen not dying last night seems like he thought he could get us lynched today. Claims blew up in his face there. I would like to lynch panther today. If I am wrong, I'd rather know now and let the game end with my failure.

[Lucky2u]

Put it this way lucky. I’m 80% sure it’s panther, I’m 99% sure it’s fitz. If you are going to choose me over fitz and let him win, I’ll vote panther with you

I don't understand this. Are you saying that if Fitz flipped scum, tomorrow is 80 percent chance of panther of Elena?

[Lucky2u]

Lucky,
I don’t really want to vote fitz.
All three voting him seems to convenient

I understand the concern. Mulch makes a good point though. It's either 2 scum and a town vs a town or 2 town and scum bussing scum. Both are unfortunately likely. So who do we go to from here?

[Lucky2u]

ugh... I'm back down to not having any confidence in lynching either of those 3. Screen you think you got a vote I can sheep? I promise not to be mad if you're wrong. At this point your guess is as good as mine.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: mulch

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Elena

[Lucky2u]

You seem like an easy person to get a reaction from. Wanted to see if you flipped out as scum or town.

[Lucky2u]

UNVOTE:

[Lucky2u]

Lucky, anything from you?

I think they all have scumy and towny traits.
Maybe 180 and vote EF?

actually. My thoughts lately are to lynch mulch and if he is scum, then Elena

[Lucky2u]

Honestly at this point Lucky is voting me out of spite alone because they know I hate them for defending cheaters, which should be classified as a gamethrow imo postgame.

Excuse me? I had no idea you "hated" me. So I can't really be seeking vengeance on you. I'm not even actually sure why you would hate me, but if that is true feel free to avoid me in games. I'm mostly voting you because your hissy fits don't really seem town. One thing I always liked about RC was that when he threw a fit he could make it seem super town. Like in green haired mafia. The way you're throwing a fit in this game seems more like scum. So...

VOTE: mulch

I mean... NOW it could be considered spite, but I'm not one to give into a crying child because he is screaming loudly.

[Lucky2u]

Keep telling yourself it's out of spite. If it makes you feel better. You and RC are similar in one way I guess. You refuse to believe someone could scum read you for being you.

Also "because meta" has never been an acceptable argument for me in Mylo/Lylo

[Lucky2u]

LOL what exactly is your case there? That I waited until Mylo day 4 to attack you when I'm a Mason? The rest of this game is my proof that your conspiracy theory is bullshit. Regardless of whether you are town or scum, what you are doing right now is not just anti town, it's bad sportsmanship. Allow me to show you what a good sportsman looks like.

VOTE: unvote

mod replace me

In light of mulch deciding to bring up site meta controversy that I wasn't aware was affecting him, I don't feel like both of us playing in this game is a good idea. In the interest of town, I remove myself.

[Lucky2u]

Sorry for abandoning you screen.

[Lucky2u]

It's in the best interest of the game that I leave as my position as Mason is better to replace then Mulch. He may not believe it, but I actually do scum read him. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Either way I'm not playing with someone who is going to use that accusation to defend his position regardless of his alignment.

[Lucky2u]

I mean... NOW it could be considered spite

The site has a quote function. Don't misrep dude. I was saying that your argument was invalid before because I didn't hate you, had no idea you hated me, and therefore could not be seeking vengeance. Now that you are bringing it up, yes it could be considered spite because NOW I know you are whining little shit face of a player.

[Lucky2u]

To clarify, Now I hate you.

[Lucky2u]

Do me a favor if you see me /in first, please avoid the game. I will extend the same courtesy to you.

[Lucky2u]

Really? You don't regret ANY other posts or things you said?

Keep telling yourself it's out of spite. If it makes you feel better. You and RC are similar in one way I guess. You refuse to believe someone could scum read you for being you.

Also "because meta" has never been an acceptable argument for me in Mylo/Lylo

Dude. The entire game townreads me, except panther, including every town player.

By your perspective I know you think I’m town.

You are throwing and I intend to write a report and give my details and air it out on mafia discussions after the game, even if I can’t technically prove it

It was one thing if you were being whiny town. It's a whole different level of low to have used this tactic as scum. You are a piece of shit mulch. I hope everyone that was watching and playing in this game has learned that.