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Read the definition of an omgus.In post 66, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:oh right. omgus vote at tai.- TwoInAMillion
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appeal to authority.In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.
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That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
appeal to authority.In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.
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That's because your refusal to wagon a bad vote made me scum read you. You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.In post 83, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
nope. just annoyed that you tried to correct me on something that you're completely wrong about. it doesn't matter whether you said it was because he didn't have a reason. i tried to start a discussion with you about that and instead you went straight to being an irritating arrogant newbie.In post 80, TwoInAMillion wrote:
That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.In post 79, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
an appeal to authority would be if i tried to convince you i was right about something "because i'm better at this than you." perhaps you should look at the definition of appeal to authority.In post 77, TwoInAMillion wrote:
appeal to authority.In post 76, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for the record, i don't remember old mastin. and i didn't get "mastin" out of your posts. so i'm not really geling with your logic. no one else had trouble jumping in except for them two awoo and uvc.
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I'm not looking. You're the one that made the poor play.In post 87, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
instead of looking for things to question, you're looking for things to use against a person. huge difference.In post 84, TwoInAMillion wrote:How is it different? I'm not obligated to have the same "tone" every game.- TwoInAMillion
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When you supported the non reasoned vote.In post 90, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:don't be mad at me just because you've been wrong in pretty much all of your posts this page.
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By super scummy he means I challenge the status quo.
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I thought I was self explanatory. That's like asking why democracy is better than a dictatorship.In post 96, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
i didn't...? i offered an alternate view in hopes you would counter it with a logical explanation of your reasoning. instead, you attacked when questioned. not good.In post 93, TwoInAMillion wrote:
When you supported the non reasoned vote.In post 90, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:don't be mad at me just because you've been wrong in pretty much all of your posts this page.
p: again, show me. explain why it's a "poor play".- TwoInAMillion
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I'm kind of in a bad mood right now for other reasons, I'll admit.In post 98, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:you and i might have different definitions of scummy. i didn't get that vibe from his twin games where he asked loads of questions, gave straight forward answers when questioned. none of this misplaced arrogance and hostility without any actual questioning going on.
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In post 102, Awoo wrote:General question, how often making a dumb move like self voting in RVS is an actual scumtell as opposed to a weird/noob playstyle tell?
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Close, but not quite a real point. ETL, your reasoning has been weak as hell so far on every vote you've made. What I've seen from you so far is just a string of easy to make votes that you can later point to as "aggressive townplay" as scum. What is your motivation for this? More importantly, if you are town, what have you learned from this chain of votes?2million wrote:You're acting like an arrogant "veteran" who thinks they can push new people around and everyone will just sheep them. Trust me that will not be the case.
PEDIT: I cant post because everyone keeps posting, literally unplayable
I don't see anything wrong with being aggressive. I have a history in my games of being town, and being town read, so I know what I need to do to catch scum. There is no downside to being aggressive early unless you are scum.- TwoInAMillion
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Good, then put your vote where it belongs.In post 107, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:two that's a false dichotomy. aggressive doesn't equal town and it doesn't equal scum. i'm not voting you for being aggressive.- TwoInAMillion
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Just saying we can be friends if you stop asking reduntant questions.In post 111, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
who's pushing people around now?In post 109, TwoInAMillion wrote:
Good, then put your vote where it belongs.In post 107, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:two that's a false dichotomy. aggressive doesn't equal town and it doesn't equal scum. i'm not voting you for being aggressive.- TwoInAMillion
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In post 137, Awoo wrote:Oh nice, only one page of ETL accumulated while I slept? This game isn't going to be as hard to read as I thought. I liked ETL's 106, it feels honest.
I think someone asked why I was voting taiho? One of the people I've got my eye on. I don't like his opening string and I want to see where he goes now that we're game on. I cannot speak for 2mil or his vote.
Don't like this particularly, it got my attention.In post 27, skitter30 wrote:Apparently I should've voted for you to be townread by you too lol
DD's string this game has been naked early reads. I don't know how easy it is to fake something like that, but ultimately I TR it since he looks like he's having fun.
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Fence sitting detected. VOTE: skitter30 Like what, he's all sorts of ick, but it's too easy to vote for him? Usually when I (hear this/have done it in the past myself as scum), it's scum worrying about whether or not their target is too "lynchbait-ey" to vote for. Sometimes they make it real obvious and slip the word lynchbait into their post. Since I just read two conflicting statements, what do you think of TIM?In post 117, skitter30 wrote:[a post by 2iam]is all sorts of ick. Why do you want to form a double wagon on someone who still hasn't posted? Why is this a good thing (you're a fan of it?) and what info would you get out of it? And why on Fykus in particular, out of everyone who only had one vote on them at the time?
Also, I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.- TwoInAMillion
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First of all, I'm not "blatantly new". I'm not playing any sort of newbie card. I have a very good record for the games that I have played.
And second, saying that my posting is "all sorts of ick" and then criticizing my wagoners for being opportunistic is pretty much the definition of fence sitting.- TwoInAMillion
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I see you as town too.In post 212, Dunkerdoodles wrote:two in a million
you too could be lock town by not sheeping every wagon
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I think its more of an omgus tbh.In post 224, skitter30 wrote:Cuz at the time I wrote that, the closest thing I had to a read on you, as I said earlier, was 84, which I found to be overly defensive. I could see caught scum saying that if they felt like they were caught for the wrong reasons.
Everything else you posted was similar to your town game or NAI or bad and the cumulative read was very slight scumlean, but close to null, so I wanted you to explain a post that I found interesting (I note that you still haven't) to try to develop a read on you.
This convo, especially your explanation for my vote, is strengthening the scumlean.- TwoInAMillion
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I have no desire to be townread. I get townread in nearly every game I play despite not trying. And I don't "try" to change my tone, my tone has a tendancy to change based on the game state. I tend to be a very engaged player.In post 228, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ok new scummiest tiam post: 227
town don't want to change their tone. town want to be town read.
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I have 4 finished games. 2 games I was endgamed. 1 game I was scum killed. I've only been lynched in one game. So clearly i get townread enough to avoid being lynched.In post 231, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
town's job is to be townread, because it makes scumhunting easier.In post 229, TwoInAMillion wrote:
I have no desire to be townread. I get townread in nearly every game I play despite not trying. And I don't "try" to change my tone, my tone has a tendancy to change based on the game state. I tend to be a very engaged player.In post 228, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ok new scummiest tiam post: 227
town don't want to change their tone. town want to be town read.
scum want to manipulate their tone to sound more towny.
also from games i play with you it seems you usually get scumread not townread so that's kinda weird you think you get townread by not trying.- TwoInAMillion
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So you're going to go with the town-win-despite-me-not-because-of-me argument? I don't think that will be very convincing.In post 236, Dunkerdoodles wrote:or maybe you're so bad scum doesn't want to kill you so you can destroy town- TwoInAMillion
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Why would scum want to keep me alive if they think I would help town?In post 239, Dunkerdoodles wrote:huh- TwoInAMillion
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Because I am being told my "tone" is scummy and I'm saying its not.
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I'm not going to microanalyze how every player will react to my claim.In post 342, Wickedestjr wrote:
I asked you how you expected people to react to your neighborizer claim and you responded by talking about how people were treating youIn post 318, TwoInAMillion wrote:Then tell me what I am not answering specifically'in general'. I asked you how powerful you believe a town neighborizer is which you also didn't seem to answer.
In post 320, TwoInAMillion wrote:The only reason I would die is to be nightkilled. Lynching me would be a very bad play.
Your reason for calling yourself a bad lynch could be applied to anyone. If you're town, show me that my push on you is poorly thought out.In post 322, TwoInAMillion wrote:Because I am town and deserve to show that I am town through my play. Like I said the pushes on me are poorly thought out.
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So you think your first impression is usually the best one?In post 369, Dunkerdoodles wrote:that i townread him and we can deal with him later if he's scum
if we lynch him now and he's town we get 0 info- TwoInAMillion
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Reading is necessary for town to win games. Not wanting to read is an excuse for mafia to be lazy and get away with it.
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In post 161, UC Voyager wrote:ok... i honestly dont want to read everything so i will try to make points with whatever people say after this or things i see scroll backwordsIn post 165, UC Voyager wrote:YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO READ 7 PAGES????? lol
I hate posts like this.In post 166, UC Voyager wrote:damn.....calm down- TwoInAMillion
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I've already explained that Dunk's meta analysis of me is incorrect. I am townread plenty. People don't always agree with my posting style or my playstyle but my results speak for themselves.In post 396, Jingle wrote:
Specifically not a reaction test. More a "Dear god take some stances so I can try to claw my way inside of your head and figure out your alignment" test.In post 392, taiho wrote:jingle #384 -...- don't have definite read on dd.
Townish because he seem to openly speak up his mind, being honest is town trait.
Scummish is that i don't think hes pushing tiam because he really scumread him. >.> Ik it sorta contradicts what i said in the 1st paragraph, but thats how i feel it going over dd's iso. I don't fully get his intentions and Is this suppossed to be reaction test of a sort.
dd's #61 idk if i agree here, liking the confident tone here; side note is i find these sort of posts hard to distinguish whether they are jokish or serious. -.-
#92 dd known tiams meta..
#108 this is being truth for pro-active players in general. I agree with the sentence in the concret case too.
#114 idk why somehow i like this post
#191 nothing to say here tbh
#212 this along with 92 and 114 leave the said impression 2nd paragraph above.
#226 I think that's rather pov thing. Tonal change being scummy is subjective. Is not possible to maintain the same tone is every game.
What conclusions do you draw from DD's 92? Does his knowledge of 2's meta as 'scummy even when town' strike you as odd? Particularly in juxtaposition with 2's statement that he's normally townread and the complete lack of any other defense of 2 from DD? Do you think DD is more or less likely to be scum if two flips scum? Town? Why?
What do you think was the point of 108? Why even make that post?
I pretty much agree with you over DD's push on 2 being policy (and I'd bet he'd outright agree), but is there a specific reason in your mind that that would make him scum over town?
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