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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

What are everyone's thoughts on hypo-vanilla cop claiming?

Spoiler: For those not knowing what hypo-cop is

On day 2 and onwards (until the vanilla cop role is claimed or killed), every player posts a result as if they were the vanilla cop; the actual vanilla cop tells the truth and everyone else makes up a result. It does possibly give scum more info on who isn't the vanilla cop (if someone claims an incorrect result on one of them, for example), but it guarantees that we have all of the investigations as public knowledge while allowing them not to claim and draw a NK.

I'm fine with this

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is he new??????
you dont make reads unless you have something to back it up with.....
and you have townie below your name......probably should have started with a newbie game

those dont mean anything, but townie is one of the first. it is recommended you play a newbie game first.........do you have past mafia experience on other sites?

His join date is right there - August 5. No need to infer anything from title. And yours is September 21, even newer. If this isan example of your detective skills, it's going to be a long game...

Wrecked

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I think we could just move on from how good or bad people are based on these arbitrary numbers, and move onto assessing what alignment people are in this game instead (:

A good way to assess alignments is to hear the reasoning behind people's reads, which isn't possible if they don't get explained. How experienced someone is is also definitely not arbitrary because it will help us know how much credit we should be giving people.

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I'd also like to head necro's reasoning for his UC read but ATM he's my only townread for his refusal to share it.

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Vote:Chaos

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I'd also like to head necro's reasoning for his UC read but ATM he's my only townread for his refusal to share it.

You consider withholding a read to be indicative? Because that's an easy move for mafia to make, as well. And it is not uncommon.

I don't think it's impossible for him to do it but I gave him a mild +

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Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

Chaos is probably town.

It's unlikely to be indicative imo

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ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.

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I'm also in lines to believe the dumbtell about not knowing the number of scum.

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*inclined

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ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.

I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?

Talk about unnecessary conflict.

I'm also in lines to believe the dumbtell about not knowing the number of scum.

Would scum-UC play the trick of pretending not to know how many scum there are?

Judging from his posts so far I'd give that a resounding '

yes

.'

After isoing UC, he was going after necro less than I remembered so that might be a bad read.
As for the last part, I have no idea.

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ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.

I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?

Talk about unnecessary conflict.

I'm also in lines to believe the dumbtell about not knowing the number of scum.

Would scum-UC play the trick of pretending not to know how many scum there are?

Judging from his posts so far I'd give that a resounding '

yes

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lol. dumbtell????would i really dumbtell. well mabye....i mostly did that, so people wouldn't be like (how do you know it is two or something)
where is everyone getting me as scum besides the fact i said that i dont understand why people make reads without reasoning, and then made a joke where i list off my feelings. i did do the dumbtell (which is always scummy), but other than that, there isn't much on me........i dont have any hard reads yet......

I buy it.

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I don't think a scum comes in and says "I listed the possibility of there being three or four scum because I was worried about people thinking I knew the (incorrect) number of scum in the game."

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I don´t think Voyager is scum, just out there riley cakin´
Gonna keep my vote on him

What is Riley cakin'?

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Well, I'm explaining why I believe scum are less likely to say certain things than town.

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Well, I'm explaining why I believe scum are less likely to say certain things than town.

Well these are early reads. Which will probably change. I am relatively new to mafia, but from what I know. Ones original reads arnt always the same as their final reads

This is a somewhat weird response, but I agree..

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Oh. Ooookay

Now that we've established that I cannot read

If you didn't read the Open Setup displayed in the OP, what did you read exactly?

ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.

I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?

Talk about unnecessary conflict.

Well... both of your assumptions are sort of surface level in a way. The mafia can't be afraid of conflict anyway, given that their nature is to drive mislynches. This post gives me scum vibes on Luca. I would say I'm getting that vibe from his tone, as well. To be determined.

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

Well that's not true at all. I voted them and suggested a claiming strategy unrelated to Cheeky.

VOTE: Rhah

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Not a fan of Luca right now either; going to keep that close to the vest for now.

I would like for you to tell me to tell me what is not true. Your first post is a naked vote and then you proceed to... talk about peeks. In what way is my observation dishonest? Also, this being the second thing you decide to post in the game thread strikes me a certain way. It's not a good feeling. Nevermind that you actually accompany your post with a vote on me.

im getting scum reads on rhah. he has introduced himself to a few people by attacking them. even in the RVS he was.

Well. For me it goes, ----> identify scummy behavior ----> call it out. By definition, that constitutes attacking. You got me, buddy. I'm still not sure what you're trying to say here but I know it doesn't make sense. The rest of your reads feel rather weak.

In response to the thing about me, I don't actually like my read anymore, although I still think I believe that UC didn't actually know how many scum there are, but I don't like Luca's reasoning for discounting my (probably bad) read either, because what he's arguing is blatantly untrue in general.

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I don´t think Voyager is scum, just out there riley cakin´
Gonna keep my vote on him

What is Riley cakin'?

Riley Cake was an Accountant alt. Basically just esoterically trolling with their over the top posting style. Due to not having any scumreads I´m okay with having my vote parked on him because I´m okay with him not in the game.

If you lynch people because you don't like they're style you're probably going to lose a lot of games.

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I don´t think Voyager is scum, just out there riley cakin´
Gonna keep my vote on him

What is Riley cakin'?

Riley Cake was an Accountant alt. Basically just esoterically trolling with their over the top posting style. Due to not having any scumreads I´m okay with having my vote parked on him because I´m okay with him not in the game.

Oh man, I pretty much missed the RVS..

On the other hand, I got to read some more when starting, and I have currently no trouble going for a VOTE: UC Voyager.

We do not need this in late game anyway, based on the things I have seen so far.

One of

UC Voyager, Zulfy, Rhah

is scum to me, interested in seeing their respective progressions.

I'm not familiar with hypo-claimings (know a few scenarios, haven't been a part of one yet), but how would we do it in this game, and what good could it possibly do?
Not sure if I misunderstood something about it.

Can you justify your "one between" comment at all?

By hypo-claimings do you mean claiming peeks? The advantage is that it allows vanilla cop to leave their views for us in case they die without claiming, the disadvantages are that it eliminates some people as being vanilla cop or not, and potentially has the ability to out two roles with a bad NK. I think vanilla cop is more useful when the checks aren't known to everyone beforehand so i think im changing my mind about the validity of it

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I don´t think Voyager is scum, just out there riley cakin´
Gonna keep my vote on him

What is Riley cakin'?

Riley Cake was an Accountant alt. Basically just esoterically trolling with their over the top posting style. Due to not having any scumreads I´m okay with having my vote parked on him because I´m okay with him not in the game.

Oh man, I pretty much missed the RVS..

On the other hand, I got to read some more when starting, and I have currently no trouble going for a VOTE: UC Voyager.

We do not need this in late game anyway, based on the things I have seen so far.

One of

UC Voyager, Zulfy, Rhah

is scum to me, interested in seeing their respective progressions.

I'm not familiar with hypo-claimings (know a few scenarios, haven't been a part of one yet), but how would we do it in this game, and what good could it possibly do?
Not sure if I misunderstood something about it.

ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

Since I myself failed to read the setup I'm biased to believe this is genuine

Genuine, but NAI

Could be a genuine coming from town

Could also be genuine coming from scum who simply didn't realize it was an open setup

Even if he's scum and doesn't know that it's an open setup he would probably know how many scum there are.

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well the issue is. you kind of had only "peeking" as a reason to try and call out choas. you know you could have said (hey peeking isn't always the best idea).

You're going with the assumption I called him out as in scummy. When I said as much that it wasn't that indicative in way of his alignment. You seem to view all type of pressure as an attack, or that's what you're framing my push as.

If it's not indicative of his alignment why did you say it was interesting? Because I agree that it's probably NAI but I disagree that it's remotely interesting.

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i dont understand how the hell i am scum!!!!!!
someone explain!!!!!!!

I understand why people are calling you scum but I think they're wrong.

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So what gave you the weak scum read on me BEFORE our dance? You know, the weak scum read I mentioned to prove my UCV is anti-town and PL is not completely out of line, therefore Una is probs town point?

Literally, the post where you go "UCV is scum.. .maybe too scum." I'm pretty sure that atmosphere was at least floating around already given that he was being wagoned, so I really didn't see why you had to add that as your input when it could have been... maybe.. other sorts of content considering your two prior posts in the slot are just naked votes. This is the notion that's condemned me, apparently.

The way you've twisted my descriptive comment of your post, out of context, to now say I've used it to discredit you as scum has proved to me your intentions are not objectively town.

I actually, from our engagement don't feel that any answers I provide to you will be "correct". I think I'll just sit here and play off my wagon.

If it's not indicative of his alignment why did you say it was interesting? Because I agree that it's probably NAI but I disagree that it's remotely interesting.

I think I'm allowed to be interested in things. If you wanna fry me for it then go ahead.

Your initial reasoning against Cheeky is quite weak, other people having similar reads is not a good reason to not give your own reads.

You're allowed to be interested in whatever you want, in the same way that I'm allowed to question it. Why was it interesting to you? Because I also thought you were throwing shade on whoever it was, and ATM it seems like you were just saying it for the sake of saying something.

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well the issue is. you kind of had only "peeking" as a reason to try and call out choas. you know you could have said (hey peeking isn't always the best idea).

You're going with the assumption I called him out as in scummy. When I said as much that it wasn't that indicative in way of his alignment. You seem to view all type of pressure as an attack, or that's what you're framing my push as.

If it's not indicative of his alignment why did you say it was interesting? Because I agree that it's probably NAI but I disagree that it's remotely interesting.

Did you misquote here? I can't see the word "interesting" in this.

From his earlier post:

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

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If you lynch people because you don't like they're style you're probably going to lose a lot of games.

Don't be scummy, that's not my argument.
Critical thinking skills are lacking. I've been in games where I was obvtown and the other person obvscum and town lost cuz of the third person's colorful personality.

Don't lynch people for their playstyle over their alignment.

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vote Rhah

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Luca Blight
necro
CheekyTeeky
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Does this readslist have a specific format?

It isn't ordered most/least. Everyone on there is who I've perceived as scum in some fashion. I hope to lynch in there and achieve desired results. necro looks like our lucky candidate right now.

Soliciting voters. Uncle Rhah needs you.

VOTE: necro

Best post you've made all game.

Can't say I've seen you make a decent one, friend.

You're allowed to be interested in whatever you want, in the same way that I'm allowed to question it. Why was it interesting to you? Because I also thought you were throwing shade on whoever it was, and ATM it seems like you were just saying it for the sake of saying something.

If I wanted to speak for the sake of it and not be scrutinized I don't think I would have had a hard time. Otherwise you're just speculating and I don't see the point in even responding because I feel like I went through this with Chaos himself already.

Then Rhah gets all uppity "omg CT is discrediting me bring it on I'll smash you" so like he's either usually hyperdefensive and irrational as town or he's scum; pushing shade on whoever hoping something sticks.

You're framing my push on you, subtly. If anyone's hyperdefensive it'd be you considering the way our progressions started in the first place. Otherwise, there's things that you can be posting right now. As in, you've done more talking about UCV distracting the town from scum hunting than actually scumhunting. And again, inventing avenues for me to be scum.

I am speculating, that's what happens early D1.
You went through it with him but then you called it probably not alignment indicative and I no longer had any understanding of why any of it meant anything to you or why you would bother to talk about it.
If you don't respond, it's harder for me to re-evaluate if I'm wrong.

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I'm okay with Zulfy.

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I don't think what UC reads me as specifically is as important as the motive behind the read he gives. I agree it's unlikely scum UC bothers scumreading me there though, so the townread doesn't make him more town.

What does come across as odd is that he's really surprised by my play or thinks I'm new/bad and then townreads me. You'd think he'd scumread my play if anything if he was town.

UC is probably scum and if he flips scum I'd look at Vanders.

If he thought you were new or bad, why would he scumread you?

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Yes I plan to wait until 2 hours before the deadline so my buddies and I can secure the lynch with our nefarious plans!!

*cue evil cackling*

:/ VOTE: necro

Really?

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I still think UC is pretty town and I think I like Necro.
I still don't like Rhah calling out Chaos's thing as "interesting" and then saying he thinks it's NAI because it just looks like a meaningless thing to point out if he doesn't scumread it. I think his recent posts have been okay.
I think Luca's reaction to Chaos's scumread on him was somewhat awkward but I don't mind his push on Chaos.

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Yes I plan to wait until 2 hours before the deadline so my buddies and I can secure the lynch with our nefarious plans!!

*cue evil cackling*

:/ VOTE: necro

Really?

What?

You're voting someone for what is an obvious troll.

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I still don't like Rhah calling out Chaos's thing as "interesting" and then saying he thinks it's NAI because it just looks like a meaningless thing to point out if he doesn't scumread it. I think his recent posts have been okay.

We're talking about something that I decided wasn't alignment indicative, that I said I found interesting. You said it wasn't interesting to you. I have no interest in discussing subjective things or figuring out why you would use that to try to read me. I'd say maybe my recent posts and just about everything else besides the thing you seem to take issue with would be more helpful in discerning my alignment.

You're framing this the wrong way. Don't know if this is Vanderscamp's point, but it's mine. The point isn't whether or not it's interesting. If you think it is, great, who cares. If you don't think it's alignment-indicative, why say it at all? Because you thought it was interesting isn't a good reason, because you "have no interest in discussing subjective things". To me, it looks like you were trying to doubt-cast me by jumping on the coattails of Vanderscamp:

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Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

You're arguing semantics. The connotation of this is that you found my opening post suspicious. You could have commented on my opening post before Vanderscamp's vote. It reads like mild support of his vote without taking an actual stance.

Yes, this is my point.
If you have no interest in discussing subjective things, why bring it up in the first place?
Fwiw I agree that your (Rhah) recent posts sound better but you're not giving me any opportunity to try and re-evaluate this point if I'm wrong.

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I still don't like Rhah calling out Chaos's thing as "interesting" and then saying he thinks it's NAI because it just looks like a meaningless thing to point out if he doesn't scumread it. I think his recent posts have been okay.

We're talking about something that I decided wasn't alignment indicative, that I said I found interesting. You said it wasn't interesting to you. I have no interest in discussing subjective things or figuring out why you would use that to try to read me. I'd say maybe my recent posts and just about everything else besides the thing you seem to take issue with would be more helpful in discerning my alignment.

You're framing this the wrong way. Don't know if this is Vanderscamp's point, but it's mine. The point isn't whether or not it's interesting. If you think it is, great, who cares. If you don't think it's alignment-indicative, why say it at all? Because you thought it was interesting isn't a good reason, because you "have no interest in discussing subjective things". To me, it looks like you were trying to doubt-cast me by jumping on the coattails of Vanderscamp:

Vote:Chaos

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

You're arguing semantics. The connotation of this is that you found my opening post suspicious. You could have commented on my opening post before Vanderscamp's vote. It reads like mild support of his vote without taking an actual stance.

Yes I plan to wait until 2 hours before the deadline so my buddies and I can secure the lynch with our nefarious plans!!

*cue evil cackling*

:/ VOTE: necro

Really?

What?

He thinks you didn't understand that was sarcasm.

Yes I figured that but would like him to put more than "really" in response. Obviously I know it's sarcasm. I don't like the intention.

What intention do you not like?

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I still don't like Rhah calling out Chaos's thing as "interesting" and then saying he thinks it's NAI because it just looks like a meaningless thing to point out if he doesn't scumread it. I think his recent posts have been okay.

We're talking about something that I decided wasn't alignment indicative, that I said I found interesting. You said it wasn't interesting to you. I have no interest in discussing subjective things or figuring out why you would use that to try to read me. I'd say maybe my recent posts and just about everything else besides the thing you seem to take issue with would be more helpful in discerning my alignment.

You're framing this the wrong way. Don't know if this is Vanderscamp's point, but it's mine. The point isn't whether or not it's interesting. If you think it is, great, who cares. If you don't think it's alignment-indicative, why say it at all? Because you thought it was interesting isn't a good reason, because you "have no interest in discussing subjective things". To me, it looks like you were trying to doubt-cast me by jumping on the coattails of Vanderscamp:

Vote:Chaos

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

You're arguing semantics. The connotation of this is that you found my opening post suspicious. You could have commented on my opening post before Vanderscamp's vote. It reads like mild support of his vote without taking an actual stance.

Yes I plan to wait until 2 hours before the deadline so my buddies and I can secure the lynch with our nefarious plans!!

*cue evil cackling*

:/ VOTE: necro

Really?

What?

He thinks you didn't understand that was sarcasm.

Yes I figured that but would like him to put more than "really" in response. Obviously I know it's sarcasm. I don't like the intention.

Rhah (4) - UC Voyager, necro, Vanderscamp, Zulfy

Kangaroo court is in session.

If you don't like my vote on you then start being interested in discussing subjective things and why people are reading you.

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Something is messing up on my phone, sorry, idk what's happening.

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VOTE: Rhah
If Rhah flips scum it probs clears the rest of the wagon. I don't think bussing is optimal or makes sense right now.

If he flips town then that further incriminates the wagon right?

I don't agree.

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I'm inclined to just not explain reads to be annoying at this point.

Closer to deadline I'll be more serious.

Let's all do quote walls, just to be annoying at this point. Closer to deadline, we can stop.

Spicy!

I am detecting a hint of frustration.

Pro-tip: Telling people youre trying to be annoying sucks out all the annoy from what you're doing. Not that find naked votes annoying, just unhelpful re gamesolving. But whatever, you do your naked vote thing, and I'll do my voting for naked voting thing.

Sounds like a bad case of lazy and fake scumhunting.

Acidphoenix is town btw.

Really?
Because I think acid has been pretty scummy, he seems to be openly not hunting.

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UGH -_-

I feel given that none of my pushes have been a tangible threat to your slot's life(either on this day or tomorrow, actually) and I'm maybe the only person who has pushed you, you shouldn't feel like you're in a corner. When people present the impression that they're sorting me but don't respond to things I've said before I tend to think their read is already decided on me for *reasons*. As in I've said things before to you that weren't attacks and didn't get anything back.

If you have no interest in discussing subjective things, why bring it up in the first place?
Fwiw I agree that your (Rhah) recent posts sound better but you're not giving me any opportunity to try and re-evaluate this point if I'm wrong.

I gave you several. Here it is in a few sentences. When I brought it up in post 56, I thought it was meaningful in sort of an indicative way. Between that time and post 126 I decided that this was not indicative. What happened somewhere after this point is that you two pushed me for "bringing it up in the first place". Again, this ignores the fact that I had a progression where I genuinely evaluated something. This has happened at least three separate times and I'm still being harped on for something that means nothing.

Oh, okay, it wasn't clear at all that you initially thought it was indicative.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't remember you ever mentioning it.

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VOTE:

I agree with the bulk of what chip has been saying recently.

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And 'i keep forgetting to log in' pings me a bit too, though maybe the dude is busy irl.

Just a quick pop-in on my break, and this caught my eye.
Morality has MULTIPLE alts, this is one of them - I bet that he meant he forgets to log on to this SPECIFIC account..

I'm past the point of scumreading him for his D1s, because he is always very passive early, and usually solves the game D2/D3.
So he is scum if his content isn't top notch tomorrow..?

What's the point of having multiple alts if he's known to be all of them?

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Cheeky said to Rhah about not setting up another mislynch, but then has changed over to Chip after Chip started doing his Chip thing.

I've been pretty clear about why I moved to chip. You've taken my actions out of context to create this cheeky!scum dialogue. I naked voted vander to get a reaction from an early scum lean, I vote necro for being too WIFOMy, I pressured rhah to try and get some straight answers out of him, I vote UCV to get him interacting with the game again, because I didn't like that he feel silent when his wagon disappeared, I had chip as a probs town read but didn't like his last few posts as I explained, I even said his logic is good but I found his tone awful so I'm waiting to see how I feel about him.

As you can see I'm using my vote to get reactions and I'm giving reads to get more reactions. This is independent of what others are thinking or doing. If they hop on someone I'm trying to get a solid read on then that has nothing to do with me and it's beyond a stretch to say my actions are premeditated to get rid of chip? Seriously.

Also why phrase this as "cheeky wants another mislynch" when I don't know that chip is town. How do you know he's town? And just wtf none of my actions indicate this is true. I hope this is just a misunderstanding and that you're not trying to pocket chip who scum read you. In fact this point is making me feel like chip is probably town if I'm on the right track about you.

Did you get anything from my reaction?

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Morality is scum. Doubt = zero.

You just said you don't think he'd be pushing as hard as he is on you if he's scum?...

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Morality is a difficult read, I don't see someone could have zero doubt on a scumread. Sounds like you're tunneling or scum.

Check out my 100% success rate when I say doubt = zero. Although I've only said it twice. Hopefully this adds to my sample size.

Have you ever said doubt = 0 as scum?
Would you say it about a town as scum?

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I think I no longer have a townread on necro.

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Yes it's my first game ever and I have made the mistake of linking myself to my partner being wagoned. Shucks, this game is very hard!!!

This is scummy but I don't think Necro is with Morality from this.

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I at all hesitant when I am scum? If anything, I have a balls to the wall kind of mentality as scum.

Only going to quote one of these statements cause the other similar things you say are around the...same level of headache? The fact that you admit to being reckless and a wild card as scum literally means we can expect anything from you, including doing things that you

wouldn't

. So it doesn't mean a whole lot. All the self meta stuff is puke.

Haha, this.
It's annoying but I feel like it's vaguely towny.
I think CT is probably townier than Morality but I'd guess both are town at this point for no real reason other than that they seem to be genuine. CT calling Morality towny then 100% scum is a pretty weird line to take as scum.

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Oh damn. I haven’t gotten toxic in months. This is going to be fun. Haven’t dealt with the ignorance in players in a while, not to this extent anyways.

If you want people to listen to you, you probably shouldn't call them ignorant.

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The fact he called me hesitant should show that I am not scum aligned.

Hesitance implies I stop doing something because I was worried. I’m the guy that had a 2+ year scum streak and has only been lynched once as town in 3+ years. And I can’t even remember the last time I got lynched day 1. When would I ever be “hesitant”?

Stop you're making this too easy. And my case isn't eloquent because I'm effing recovering from last night but you had to push me while I'm down so I'm not letting you get away with it.

Notice how Cheeky continually states making this too easy yet says nothing, Rhah.

I’m a headache of a player, yes, but a headache that will catch scum, and a headache as town.

But unlike you, I assume others are intelligent enough to work out how you're massively contridicting your own arguments. So I don't need to weave a scum dialogue for you like you're trying so hard to make for me. That's what I mean by too easy. You're shooting down your own arguments.

Town tell on my part.

I don’t contradict myself as scum.

You don't actually believe you're contradicting yourself though, right?

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I would like to hear more from you cheeky about your sudden reevaluation on Morality.

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I’ll conf town myself eventually.

I don’t believe I’ve ever failed to do this when I said this.

I believe this stuff.

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this seems stupid

is anyone getting anything useful out of this

also UNVOTE:

It was annoying but I think it was pretty useful, I think morality, CT and rhah all came across as pretty towny.

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Acidphoenix’s read of me, I’m not sure what exactly it is,

Can one read acidphoenix's posts in this game and say you're sure of

anything

?

I Think acidphoenix is openly not hunting.

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UNVOTE: morality
VOTE: cheekyteeky l-3

I just reread a bit of the current day. Is it possibly Morality and CheekyTeeky are going at each Other so whichever one that isn't lynched looks less scummy. I don't think it is the best move, but it could be possible.

I don't think that's likely.

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Wave, Luca, Chaos have been notably silent. I'm pretty sure zulfy is town as noone has a legit reason to scumread them that I've seen.

Not good reasoning

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At first. I really didn't like hero's play style, but it has grown on me. Despite my disliking for naked votes, Necro has been making good points, and seems very pro-town.

Very pro-town is an extreme stretch...

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I think Cheeky is scum due to her big attack on morality which also convinced me morality might also be scum. I'm not sure about necro. I think it might just be his playstyle.

You're going to have to explain this one..

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I think Cheeky is scum due to her big attack on morality which also convinced me morality might also be scum. I'm not sure about necro. I think it might just be his playstyle.

You think I'm scum because I convinced you someone else is scum? Whaaat?

I think you possibly you both as scum buddies tried to put a push on each Other so that which ever one didn't get lynched looked less scummy, but the more I think about it and the game goes on, the less I think that is true. I think you have been more honest than you were earlier in the day.

If it's not true, why is she scum?

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Cheeky, can you explain more about what caused you to say you thought Morality was towny, but then he said basically nothing and you flipped your read to him being lock scum?

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Cheeky, can you explain more about what caused you to say you thought Morality was towny, but then he said basically nothing and you flipped your read to him being lock scum?

Because I wanted to see his reaction. He kept pushing shade without voting me. Not voting me but scum reading me hypothetically is a massive scum tell, or so I've learned in a couple of games so far.

Really?
Because I find this pretty hard to believe.
You called him good for his reaction? What reaction did you get?

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Cheeky, can you explain more about what caused you to say you thought Morality was towny, but then he said basically nothing and you flipped your read to him being lock scum?

Because I wanted to see his reaction. He kept pushing shade without voting me. Not voting me but scum reading me hypothetically is a massive scum tell, or so I've learned in a couple of games so far.

Really?
Because I find this pretty hard to believe.
You called him good for his reaction? What reaction did you get?

Oh god another Chip. Just vote me bro. I'm done explaning to you guys why I play the way I do. I've already said that I change gears fast to trap scum. I said I thought I town read him for a push and watched. He didn't vote me even though he predicted my moves as scum. I mean why say someone who is probably scum is doing x to set up y...but not vote them? If that's not unjustified stretchy shade casting as scum then I don't know what is.

Geez, calm down

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It would be good if town started working out what their read will be in both Cheeky universes. If I'm scum who is scum with me? If I'm town then who's town with me etc. I don't want my flip to mean nothing and you guys start back at D1.

Also why is there no counterwagon? Why was Chip against there being a counterwagon?

I think you are probably just town so I'm not super interested in you dying.

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Actually I misread that initially. Back to this:

VOTE: Chip Butty

This feels quite towny

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I think there's lurking and lurking. Una has explained why, I'm much more concerned with acid's fake-activity lurking than Una.

This is pretty much where I'm at.

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Why would I bother 'working' the person whose wagon is at L-2, if I was scum and Cheeky was town?

What possible benefit do I gain if I'm scum and Cheeky is town here? This is some tinfoil hat shit.

Obviously under the assumption that Cheeky isn't necessarily going to get lynched, but to me it doesn't feel like what you're doing is working him.

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Actually i just looked through the Chaos ISO. There's probably a better place to start. Maybe Luca...

What about chaos made you not want to vote there?

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Vanderscamp who do you think is scum?

Presumably acid based on vote.

Yes. I don't have strong scum reads on anyone here, I read acid as providing useless content, but unlike the other lurkers, is at least trying to create the appearance of being active, or at least he was when I made that vote.

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I know why Rhah is frustrated at me, I know he can't put it into words. I can't quite put into words why I know he shouldn't be annoyed still, so I'm kinda leaving this for later on. I think he's town so I'm more inclined to agree to disagree for now than to get into a really boring debate on day1.

I think necro is being increasingly towny.

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Necro, if we mislynch everyday how many nights until LYLO?

What's the point of this question?...

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guys. I hate to say this, but we should start considering a no lynch for day one.
This is almost NEVER a good idea, but lets be real. We all don't really have much to work with.
If we try to lynch someone, we will end up lynching a townie on day one.
It is better to accept one townie dead in stead one 2 dead..........
IF more information gets thrown into the game, we might not go with a no lynch, but so far. aint much to work with tbh

This is an extremely terrible idea.
If you're afraid of mislynching people, let's stretch that concept further.
We should sleep today, a town dies in the night, and then tomorrow, we're still more likely to lynch a town so we should probably sleep then too, because it's better than one town dies instead of two.
Then we can keep sleeping until must lynch, when we might want to start lynching, but probably not because we're still more likely to lynch a town.

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It's lucky for UC in my eyes that he made that derpclearing post at the start of the day about not knowing how many scum there are, because he hasn't really said anything towny since then.

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Actually i just looked through the Chaos ISO. There's probably a better place to start. Maybe Luca...

What about chaos made you not want to vote there?

At that point Chaos hadn't posted for about 400 posts and most of his negatived to that point had already been pointed out, like opening with the hypo cop idea. He had a long exchange with Luca in the 200s so i thought maybe interesting to look at Luca.

Nobody went for the idea and i realise now i didn't follow myself with a Luca ISO so will do that soon.

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how this answers my question

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It's lucky for UC in my eyes that he made that derpclearing post at the start of the day about not knowing how many scum there are, because he hasn't really said anything towny since then.

Dumb has as much chance of rolling scum as anybody else.

Obviously he's less likely to not know how many scum there are if he's town, and I believed it.

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liking an una lynch
cause una doesn't seem to be helping town at all
but im only 17 pages in
and i kinda forgot what happened in the first few pages

You're 17 pages in and this is all you have to comment on?

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How long do we have to lynch someone?
About two days?

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Vander is playing in a way where he’s staying out of the direct wagons, but in a way where it will allow him to jump on either if he needs to, especially this close to deadline. Tomorrow, I can see ScumVander completely taking over and being able to push through another mislynch.

I definitely will vote Una if I have to, I'd rather lynch someone than sleep today.
This isn't particularly accurate though because I was pretty strongly defending CT, who was the main wagon for a large part of today.

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Sheep is quite scummy btw based on his level of contribution vs how much he says he's read.

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Actually I misread that initially. Back to this:

VOTE: Chip Butty

This feels quite towny

This feels quite scummy

Thoughts on why?

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I skmmed, this is my gutread.

How the heck are your gutreads dependent on Una's alignment?
Doesn't that kind of go against the definition of a gutread?

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I skmmed, this is my gutread.

How the heck are your gutreads dependent on Una's alignment?
Doesn't that kind of go against the definition of a gutread?

I guess it's not that bad since two of your top town aren't conditional on Una.

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Welcome to my circle of trust.

Is there anything I did to get added to your circle of trust?

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Yeah so it's kinda NAI right? His overall contribution this day is too...but I'm sure scum would've cared more? I know it's dumb but Morality and Wave bandwagoning put me off... I feel like UnaH is scum but something isn't right. I need to do some VCA.

Do you feel like he's scum of do you believe his claim?

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Personally i think it might be time to press for a ne ro claim. I don't think he can be a PR with his attention-seeking playstyle. Can you get behind that?

vote chip butty

This is extremely nonsensical.
If you're asking him to claim, and then in the same post saying that there's only one thing you're expecting him to claim, wtf are you hoping to achieve?
That you're wrong and he's a PR?

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Personally i think it might be time to press for a ne ro claim. I don't think he can be a PR with his attention-seeking playstyle. Can you get behind that?

vote chip butty

This is extremely nonsensical.
If you're asking him to claim, and then in the same post saying that there's only one thing you're expecting him to claim, wtf are you hoping to achieve?
That you're wrong and he's a PR?

There seems to be a lot of resistance to a necro wagon. Interesting. My suggestion seems to be yielding informational fruit already. Obviously taking necro to L-1 stands to gain the same benefits as taking CT or UnaH to L-1.

I do have resistance to a necro wagon, because I think he's probably town, but you could have said this about anyone and I would have called you out on it.
When you say "press him for a claim" did you actually just mean running him up?

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If there's scum in Cheeky/Rhah/necro/you, Porkens, I think it's probably you.

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I confess that I wish I were a dayvig instead of vt because I'd shoot scrum right in the face. Good luck town.

You're that confident?

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ok guys. Porkens is probably innocent.

Dude. It was a fake hammer. im all ready voting for you. I learned this tatic earlier, and thought i should try it




it is designed to get scum to admit to being scum even though they were not hammered lol....

UNVOTE:

I think the chances of this working were approaching negative figures

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I'd vote Porkens here, is that a hammer?
I wish there were more frequent vote tallies

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vote: porkens

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That's a very weird NK

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Claiming 2 shot JailKeeper

so here is what i got.
Last night, i decided to jail keep Rhah. as you can see, someone was still killed! This tells me that either he isn't mafia, or he is a non-killing role
I say this gives him a better chance of not being mafia....

im assuming as least 2 of the mafia were on Porkens.....this is who was on him

Myself (Jailkeeper)
Rhah (non-killing role)

UnaH
Necro
SheepSaysMeep
Chip
Vanders


here is what I know
Porkens had a scum read on a few people. notable people such as rhah, Necro and CheekyTeeky.
Rhah, who i can confirm is most likely town, also has a scum read on necro....
Acid didn't really push necro, but definitely questioned his reads.

right now. If you asked me, i would sya
scum team = Necro, Unah, still trying to find the third

I wish you hadn't claimed this.
All it means is that rhah wasn't the person who put in the NK, which really doesn't tell us a lot.
Also, I could not care less what Porkens' reads were.

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I’m weary of a wagon flipping over to Chip suddenly if Una wagon doesn’t go further. If that starts to happen, please don’t push it further. Don’t need two claims here.

VOTE: Vander

Vander is playing in a way where he’s staying out of the direct wagons, but in a way where it will allow him to jump on either if he needs to, especially this close to deadline. Tomorrow, I can see ScumVander completely taking over and being able to push through another mislynch.

Vander is playing in a way where he’s staying out of the direct wagons, but in a way where it will allow him to jump on either if he needs to, especially this close to deadline. Tomorrow, I can see ScumVander completely taking over and being able to push through another mislynch.

I agree on Vander but would rather get this wagon pushed as UnaH still has yet to respond after saying he would today.

Pretty sure you already agreed with my reasoning.

Also, his placement on the Porken’s wagon.

I jumped on Porkens who was a direct wagon, and I townread CT pretty strongly while he was a wagon.
It's fairly worrying that you're still using this.
Can you actually give specific examples of wagons that I was scummily avoiding?

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Oh, what do you know...Vanders was on both. -.-

vote: Morality

I'm scum for staying off of the wagons, but I'm also scum for being on both the wagons?

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Yes I have lingering suspicions from D1 on Vander. You say you could see scum Vander pushing another mislynch today, so wouldn't it make more sense to wait and see his direction to confirm your theory? Seems a bit rushed/premature to lock scum him, when you've nerfed the info potential of your push.

Pedit what does Chip have to do with proving someone is scum?

It’s not. It’s just how I play. When he posts in response to me, I can tear him up. I’m best in 1v1 interaction.

Please tear me up.

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I think the NK points to someone who's had experience with acid and knows the difference between his lurker role play and his lurker VT play

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I'm kind of hoping Morality is town after him rambling about how good he is, but I think his case on me is so awful, he's probably not.

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Oh, what do you know...Vanders was on both. -.-

vote: Morality

I'm scum for staying off of the wagons, but I'm also scum for being on both the wagons?

This is clearly not what was said. You were playing in a way where you didn’t have to commit to either.

Also, what do you mean staying off the wagons? You absolutely did not stay off the wagons.

You were on Chip, and then you went to Porkens. I said this yesterday, so this isn’t new like you are acting like it is.

I'm responding to the part of your accusation where you "call me out" for staying off of the wagons.

I’m weary of a wagon flipping over to Chip suddenly if Una wagon doesn’t go further. If that starts to happen, please don’t push it further. Don’t need two claims here.

VOTE: Vander

Vander is playing in a way where he’s staying out of the direct wagons, but in a way where it will allow him to jump on either if he needs to, especially this close to deadline. Tomorrow, I can see ScumVander completely taking over and being able to push through another mislynch.

Vander is playing in a way where he’s staying out of the direct wagons, but in a way where it will allow him to jump on either if he needs to, especially this close to deadline. Tomorrow, I can see ScumVander completely taking over and being able to push through another mislynch.

I agree on Vander but would rather get this wagon pushed as UnaH still has yet to respond after saying he would today.

Pretty sure you already agreed with my reasoning.

Also, his placement on the Porken’s wagon.

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Now, even though I stated the same thing yesterday, he’s going to tunnel me acting like it just came up now when I ended the day voting him yesterday. Why are you all of a sudden finding this scummy, yet when Porkens/Chip we’re being wagon’d, you didn’t seem to care?

No, I didn't care that much, because I didn't think either of them were town and I thought they'd both played pretty scummy.
I think you bringing it up again and using it as the basis of your D2 vote is scummy.

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Also, he didn’t even do the hypo vanilla claim thing or comment on it, which proves he isn’t reading everything throughly.

I commented D1 that I don't think it's helpful but I don't think it's unhelpful enough to continue arguing with people who want to do it.

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I'm kind of hoping Morality is town after him rambling about how good he is, but I think his case on me is so awful, he's probably not.

Look, an excuse for him when I flip to say it’s not his fault.

If I lynch you and you're town it absolutely would be partially my fault and I'd agree that it'd make me look worse.

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Oh, what do you know...Vanders was on both. -.-

vote: Morality

I'm scum for staying off of the wagons, but I'm also scum for being on both the wagons?

Also, this wasn’t what was said, and this was the basis of his scum read, so he’ll likely continue without having a reason, or fabricate some case up.

Your case on me is total ass.
I called it out as being bad yesterday, but then the day continues, one of the things that you used in your accusation of me (staying off the wagons) is no longer true, but you brought it up again as the basis of me somehow being your top scum read, which I think is pretty ridiculous for the reasons you gave.

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I’m weary of a wagon flipping over to Chip suddenly if Una wagon doesn’t go further. If that starts to happen, please don’t push it further. Don’t need two claims here.

VOTE: Vander

Vander is playing in a way where he’s staying out of the direct wagons, but in a way where it will allow him to jump on either if he needs to, especially this close to deadline. Tomorrow, I can see ScumVander completely taking over and being able to push through another mislynch.

Vander is playing in a way where he’s staying out of the direct wagons,

but in a way where it will allow him to jump on either if he needs to, especially this close to deadline. Tomorrow, I can see ScumVander completely taking over and being able to push through another mislynch.

I agree on Vander but would rather get this wagon pushed as UnaH still has yet to respond after saying he would today.

Pretty sure you already agreed with my reasoning.

Also, his placement on the Porken’s wagon.

I jumped on Porkens who was a direct wagon, and I townread CT pretty strongly while he was a wagon.
It's fairly worrying that you're still using this.
Can you actually give specific examples of wagons that I was scummily avoiding?

No, because you weren’t avoiding any. I literally said the exact opposite to this. You were playing in a way where you could jump on any of them.

So what’s truly fairly worrying is that you are trying to shut things down that aren’t even what was said. In fact, the opposite has been said for most of it.

???

Also, this isn't true, which I said yesterday, because I was defending whatever the guy's name was that you were pushing hard yesterday, and he was the main wagon for most of D1. I said this earlier but you ignored it.

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Let's try starting this again.
My understanding of your case on me, based on your post, was that you were reading me as scummy for staying off of main wagons but leaving myself room to jump on either of them.
Is this accurate?

Can you give examples of the specific wagons you were talking about when you made this read?

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Necro has only one other game on MS. He was town in this game. I've read through it and find his play here is much different. I saw one trollish comment he made in early RVS but the rest of his game is really good, insightful and gamesolving. I even saw a colourful wall post of reads! With reasons!!

Granted it is not a strong meta argument as our sample size is 1 game, however the contrast is so jarring that I can only assume the necro we're playing with here is scum.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Necro's transition this game? As I recall, he spent half of D1 trolling everyone, playing what Morality termed "to scummy to be scum that he's obv town;" But in a bizzare 180 on his previous behaviour, he starts trying to work with me to game solve. I'm not entirely sure if the timing is significant (or alludes to potential buddies), but his behaviour seemed to change after my Morality push fell to pieces. In hindsight I see it as opportunism to pocket me for one of two potential purposes:

First, if I was lynched, he would get town cred for reading me correctly/or defending me
Second, it was an attempt to divert me away from a scum buddy and manipulate my vote to further his scum agenda.

I did address the first issue with him in D1 to which he responded with ignorance of any potential benefits existing. The second issue I played along with to gather more info because I couldn't get anything more than null from reading him. Notice how he kept pushing Acid as a scum read but in the final VC, he's got Acid voting Chip (who he was also pushing as scum) and now Acid is magically dead with what looks like a smoking gun in Chip's hands.

My lynchpool for D2 is {Necro, Morality, UnaH}

If necro is not an appealing lynch to town today I'd like to know where everybody elses reads are atm.

Do you have a link to that necro game?

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I'm most intrigued by the building 1v1 between Vander and Morality.
If I were to assume Morality is scum, I feel like he would have no reason to invest so heavily into a 1v1.
I have no meta or strong gutfeels on Vander.

I still dislike the Rhah-Cheeky -block, and since they scumread Morality and seem to townread Vander...I feel more comfortable siding with Morality.

LUV taking the Zulfy-slot is nice, I think we can work with LUV a lot better.

Do you want to analyze our arguments instead of reasons to make them?
Do you agree with Morality's case?
Why can't we both be town?

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^ why aren't we lynching this.. and I don't have those reads

I think so much about my every post that I would never scumclaim on accident! /s

As both town and mafia?

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Cheeky agrees on Vander with me, and has me in lynch pool instead.

Funny how necro just jumps on me.

Kinda done with this.

Just lynch me and analyze the wagon afterwards.

If you're town, you're playing like total garbage.
If you refuse to engage with me and tell us to just lynch you, how do you expect that to help?

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Rhah and Vanders can you please hypoclaim?

I don't think it's helpful.

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Like, vanilla cop is not a role where having confirmed information on the table is helpful. The only circumstance where it's actually helpful is if there's a non-vanilla result on a mafia who then has to box themselves into a role claim, but that can almost as easily happen to an actual role.

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Here is my best guess on the scum team


(Necro, unaH, and Morality)

Necro because i have all ready said


UnaH seems to have no issues with the necro wagon, but hasn't put a vote there...which makes no since because it seems fairly obvious necro is scum

Morality seems to be trying to push vanders, but not UnaH or Necro who are the two most scummy right now.

I think there's a decent chance of this, I think Unah and Morality are scummier than necro though.

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Yeah I can't really be bothered playing like I did that game. This site's deadlines are way too long, this game would literally be finished on most sites already.

It was a mistake signing up to another game here.

I agree with the long deadlines thing unfortunately.

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So I'll start and say I copped Rhah and he is innocent.

This doesn't surprise me..

What surprises me is that I got an inno-result on Cheeky last night.

What's all this crap about inno reults?

I think you just scum claimed here. Why would town care about this?

I don't understand why this is claiming scum

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So I'll start and say I copped Rhah and he is innocent.

This doesn't surprise me..

What surprises me is that I got an inno-result on Cheeky last night.

What's all this crap about inno reults?

I think you just scum claimed here. Why would town care about this?

Because there is no cop?

I might as well be a cop because anyone who comes up not vanilla except UCV is going to be scum. My point was that there was nothing you could have got out of that by bringing attention to it in order to further a town agenda e.g. sorted people from it. It's much more likely that scum would be interested in that. The opposite is also true, Vanders disinterest in helping the hypoclaim because he didn't see the use of it (in direct contridiction to his D1 stance) seems more likely to come from scum.

Necro's apathy is an AtE but I can't figure out if it's fake or not. Morality hasn't proven himself any more town than D1 to me.

No, I said on D1 that vanilla cop is more useful if you don't telegraph your results immediately and I started thinking it wasn't useful.

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I'd also like to head necro's reasoning for his UC read but ATM he's my only townread for his refusal to share it.

He hadn’t posted since stating it. How did you have him refusing to share it here?

I don't understand how you could think this if you were reading the thread, but:

Don't make reads you're not gonna explain.

I'll do whatever I want, thanks.

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You and Cheeky are the only ones on me.

I'm on the right track, this whole fiasco has proved that to me. You might as well lynch me because I'm death tunneling Morality. If town thinks he's town then get rid of me because I'm only going to get in the way of any other wagons and try to bring it back here.

This sort of play usually backfires fwiw.

How? Will I get lynched? Coz that's kinda what I'm asking for.

And I don't know if anyone would give you the advice of trying to get yourself lynched because your direction in the game was temporarily stymied.

I'm saying I'm not budging or lynch me. I'm not saying I give up lynch me.

These statements are a little weird for me, as why say this kind of thing if you are a PR.

However, it doesn’t make sense to claim Vanilla Cop as scum right there, as you would eventually be going 1v1.

Then I thought of the potential you claiming Vanilla Cop as VT, hoping the actual Vanilla Cop realizes this.

However, you could have done that as scum.

I’m generally thinking you wouldn’t be so bold as to do that, so I’m going to assume you are VT claiming Vanilla Cop to take the night kill.

However, now scum is going to take that into consideration and might not kill you, so if you are the Vanilla Cop, you’re safe. Hopefully you figure out what I mean here.

What is the point of this?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: UnaH

There. Lets lynch here. I'm pretty sure it will flip scum.
Necro should flip scum. And Morality will

Can someone legitimately be this lost?

Does this mean you think Una and Morality are town?

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Porkens (7):

sheepsaysmeep

,

UnaBombaH

,

necro

,

Chip Butty

,

UC Voyager

,

Vanderscamp

,

Rhah

LYNCH
UnaBombaH (3): wavemode, CheekyTeeky, Porkens
Chip Butty (1): acidphoenix
Rhah (1): Zulfy
Vanderscamp (1):

Morality

1 scum in Zulfy/Morality/

acid

? Scum don't all want to be caught on the mislynch wagon together

see. what makes me think morality isn't scum is the fact that he didn't vote for porkens.....im sure all three scum were on porkens!, so is it possible it could still be vanders, chip, sheepsaysmeep

I'll take this bet on the side of not all three scum being on Porkens.

[Vanderscamp]

Porkens (7):

sheepsaysmeep

,

UnaBombaH

,

necro

,

Chip Butty

,

UC Voyager

,

Vanderscamp

,

Rhah

LYNCH
UnaBombaH (3): wavemode, CheekyTeeky, Porkens
Chip Butty (1): acidphoenix
Rhah (1): Zulfy
Vanderscamp (1):

Morality

1 scum in Zulfy/Morality/

acid

? Scum don't all want to be caught on the mislynch wagon together

see. what makes me think morality isn't scum is the fact that he didn't vote for porkens.....im sure all three scum were on porkens!, so is it possible it could still be vanders, chip, sheepsaysmeep

Why do you think all three scum were on Porkens?

This post, alone, should be worthy of a UCV bandwagon. Majorly. Was scummy day 1, continues to throw around faulty leads and logic day two. Basically stated "anyone other than me" when I talked about the possibility of pushing for a Necro lynch.

As for Cheeky, that response was very much OMGUS, and also, really defensive due to the fact that "I didn't pick up on your playstyle." I haven't been around in a number of years. Pardon me for not keeping up with the playstyle of CheekyTeeky. It's not like you're Internet Stranger or anything.

I don't remember if my vote was on UCV or Necro, but I'll make sure right now it's in the right place.

UNVOTE: Whomever I was Voting For
VOTE: UC Voyager

How much have you actually read?...

[Vanderscamp]

vote UnaWave

Sorry I voted Porkens yesterday.
I still think morality is probably scum.

[Vanderscamp]

Will catch up later