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[Rhah]

Hey.


VOTE: UC Voyager

[Rhah]

UC Voyager... you appear to be acting coy. It does not bode well.

[Rhah]

I'd also like to head necro's reasoning for his UC read but ATM he's my only townread for his refusal to share it.

You consider withholding a read to be indicative? Because that's an easy move for mafia to make, as well. And it is not uncommon.

[Rhah]

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

[Rhah]

Rhah. Reading without reason is just as indicative as voting without reason. Voting and reading based on gut dealing doesn't work...I have seen to many people die that way, or not die that way.

You are implying necro has no reason for his read, when it is implied he has one and did not state it... one could infer he is mafia, but they shouldn't for the reasons you seem to be suspecting him for. Simply because a read can be faked. It is easy to create things. It's easy to act aloof. This is a game of pretenses and motivations, after all. I do think you're deliberately choosing to view things a certain way at the moment.

[Rhah]

Hmm... Apologies if I apply pronouns incorrectly. I will try not to going further.

[Rhah]

Oh. Ooookay

Now that we've established that I cannot read

If you didn't read the Open Setup displayed in the OP, what did you read exactly?

ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.

I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?

Talk about unnecessary conflict.

Well... both of your assumptions are sort of surface level in a way. The mafia can't be afraid of conflict anyway, given that their nature is to drive mislynches. This post gives me scum vibes on Luca. I would say I'm getting that vibe from his tone, as well. To be determined.

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

Well that's not true at all. I voted them and suggested a claiming strategy unrelated to Cheeky.

VOTE: Rhah

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Not a fan of Luca right now either; going to keep that close to the vest for now.

I would like for you to tell me to tell me what is not true. Your first post is a naked vote and then you proceed to... talk about peeks. In what way is my observation dishonest? Also, this being the second thing you decide to post in the game thread strikes me a certain way. It's not a good feeling. Nevermind that you actually accompany your post with a vote on me.

im getting scum reads on rhah. he has introduced himself to a few people by attacking them. even in the RVS he was.

Well. For me it goes, ----> identify scummy behavior ----> call it out. By definition, that constitutes attacking. You got me, buddy. I'm still not sure what you're trying to say here but I know it doesn't make sense. The rest of your reads feel rather weak.

[Rhah]

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

Well that's not true at all. I voted them and suggested a claiming strategy unrelated to Cheeky.

VOTE: Rhah

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Not a fan of Luca right now either; going to keep that close to the vest for now.

I would like for you to tell me to tell me what is not true. Your first post is a naked vote and then you proceed to... talk about peeks. In what way is my observation dishonest? Also, this being the second thing you decide to post in the game thread strikes me a certain way. It's not a good feeling. Nevermind that you actually accompany your post with a vote on me.

I misread peeks as a shorthand for Cheeky.

UNVOTE: Rhah

Alright, now that I can actually read what you're saying, let's try this dialogue again. Why would you find it interesting that I only talked about setup strategy with my first post given that the only other things posted were greetings and random votes?

I think you chose to consciously emphasize the strategy. It just reminded me of how mafia will attempt to "solve" in RVS. I doubt that this is indicative of your alignment though.

What are peeks?

I'm used to (hypo) cop claims being referred to as peeks, I can't say it's something I do a lot.

Oh man, I pretty much missed the RVS..

On the other hand, I got to read some more when starting, and I have currently no trouble going for a VOTE: UC Voyager.

We do not need this in late game anyway, based on the things I have seen so far.

One of

UC Voyager, Zulfy, Rhah

is scum to me, interested in seeing their respective progressions.

So are you policy lynching UC? Cause that's what it looks like. Also, neat pool. How did you get there?

[Rhah]

whoa. chill out there. im only at three votes. lol. and this just started yesterday, so i mean. a little early to be saying that....

I consider lynching people because you don't want them in endgame bad practice. From the way UnabomaH worded it, that's what it looked like to me moreso than an actual scumread on you. At the moment I'm not putting a whole lot of weight on this thought unless he gives me reason to do so.

UCV if you're town I'm going to be mad. You're so obviously scum that it makes me think you aren't...but then you are, right?

I had planned on calling you mafia, but it was immediately overshadowed by UC being scummier, I think.

[Rhah]

My eyes.

[Rhah]

UC Voyager... you appear to be acting coy. It does not bode well.

i dont understand what you mean. how was i "coy"

Sorry, at this moment I don't feel like putting the words together. You tried to look like you were innocent. That was the impression your play initially gave me.

Rhah. Reading without reason is just as indicative as voting without reason. Voting and reading based on gut dealing doesn't work...I have seen to many people die that way, or not die that way.

You are implying necro has no reason for his read, when it is implied he has one and did not state it... one could infer he is mafia, but they shouldn't for the reasons you seem to be suspecting him for. Simply because a read can be faked. It is easy to create things. It's easy to act aloof. This is a game of pretenses and motivations, after all. I do think you're deliberately choosing to view things a certain way at the moment.

he didn't say he had a reason, but didn't state it. he just said i feel like UCV is town......

it is implied

dude. im only at 3 votes. is that enough to try to say that i will be today's lynch.

I imagine so. I'd say I'd aim for that, considering I think you're going to flip mafia. But there's something about you that makes me want to toss that out the window. Unfortunately for you, that "something" isn't tangible and I haven't seen it manifest in the form of your actions at the moment.

[Rhah]

well the issue is. you kind of had only "peeking" as a reason to try and call out choas. you know you could have said (hey peeking isn't always the best idea).

You're going with the assumption I called him out as in scummy. When I said as much that it wasn't that indicative in way of his alignment. You seem to view all type of pressure as an attack, or that's what you're framing my push as.

[Rhah]

You do realise that there are 3 scum slots? Why not put me in one of them?

Consider your wish granted.

Do you have other scum reads that are overshadowed by the UCV circus?

Loosely.

Luca Blight
necro
CheekyTeeky
[Zulfy/Vanderscamp]

how is it implied though?????like i mean. he didnt say anything, but i think UCV is town. i know implying is to say something without saying it, but there was no way to say anyone was town or scum then. im not saying necro i scum or anything, but it doesn't make since to....

Push...Attack....you knew what i meant

From my experience, when someone gives a naked read, they almost always have a reason for that read besides "no reason". This is usually always established. You're doing that thing though, so I'll probably be moving my vote off of you when it's convenient. Your play is now veering off hardscum and veering into "the mislynch I knew was a mislynch but still ended up hitting", though those lines do cross. I'll wait to see more from people.

I consider lynching people because you don't want them in endgame bad practice.

Haven't you ever been bitten in the ass in LYLO?

By the mistakes of myself or those of competent people. Not by the fabled "policy lynch" that should have happened, no.

[Rhah]

and this only makes it easier for scum to hide (as rhah 's weak scum read on me proved)

Let me put my feet up. You don't have to start discrediting me right away.

[Rhah]

im having scum reads with Luca and Rhah. more rhah than Luca

I've approached you with logic and received basically just question marks from your play. Can you put your vote back on me so it at least makes sense? God.

Agree Rhah is scummy.

Pedit - told ya

I don't think you really want this dance. Not with me.

[Rhah]

I don't have to spell it out, CT. Doubtcasting players simply for expressing doubt on you is pretty scummy. You've done that and expounded some. (Your position on me doesn't seem to mention anything besides the post where I call you out) I've responded to that, which... automatically makes me scummy to you. We can go in the circle that I imagine you want me to end up in, or I can just sit here and hope that people in this game read this post. Like actually read the words. This option seems the most comfortable to me.

[Rhah]

Wait til' people find out identifying scum isn't a matter of who's better at sarcasm and discrediting. That's gonna be fucked, huh?

[Rhah]

So what gave you the weak scum read on me BEFORE our dance? You know, the weak scum read I mentioned to prove my UCV is anti-town and PL is not completely out of line, therefore Una is probs town point?

Literally, the post where you go "UCV is scum.. .maybe too scum." I'm pretty sure that atmosphere was at least floating around already given that he was being wagoned, so I really didn't see why you had to add that as your input when it could have been... maybe.. other sorts of content considering your two prior posts in the slot are just naked votes. This is the notion that's condemned me, apparently.

The way you've twisted my descriptive comment of your post, out of context, to now say I've used it to discredit you as scum has proved to me your intentions are not objectively town.

I actually, from our engagement don't feel that any answers I provide to you will be "correct". I think I'll just sit here and play off my wagon.

If it's not indicative of his alignment why did you say it was interesting? Because I agree that it's probably NAI but I disagree that it's remotely interesting.

I think I'm allowed to be interested in things. If you wanna fry me for it then go ahead.

[Rhah]

Soliciting voters. Uncle Rhah needs you.

VOTE: necro

[Rhah]

Luca Blight
necro
CheekyTeeky
[Zulfy/Vanderscamp]

Does this readslist have a specific format?

It isn't ordered most/least. Everyone on there is who I've perceived as scum in some fashion. I hope to lynch in there and achieve desired results. necro looks like our lucky candidate right now.

Soliciting voters. Uncle Rhah needs you.

VOTE: necro

Best post you've made all game.

Can't say I've seen you make a decent one, friend.

You're allowed to be interested in whatever you want, in the same way that I'm allowed to question it. Why was it interesting to you? Because I also thought you were throwing shade on whoever it was, and ATM it seems like you were just saying it for the sake of saying something.

If I wanted to speak for the sake of it and not be scrutinized I don't think I would have had a hard time. Otherwise you're just speculating and I don't see the point in even responding because I feel like I went through this with Chaos himself already.

Then Rhah gets all uppity "omg CT is discrediting me bring it on I'll smash you" so like he's either usually hyperdefensive and irrational as town or he's scum; pushing shade on whoever hoping something sticks.

You're framing my push on you, subtly. If anyone's hyperdefensive it'd be you considering the way our progressions started in the first place. Otherwise, there's things that you can be posting right now. As in, you've done more talking about UCV distracting the town from scum hunting than actually scumhunting. And again, inventing avenues for me to be scum.

[Rhah]

I did explain my initial read on you so I didn't just pop in to shade.

[Rhah]

How are you scum hunting? I see you pushing the easy mislynch

Was UCV not scum to you a page ago, or did you call him obviously scum as a term of endearment? This is obviously disingenuous. Your whole post has the same tone. I have, in fact been outclassed in the art of bullshit. I invited this though so I'm not surprised.

the guy who has been trolling the whole game.

Is this your description of necro, because it's not accurate. This is bait. It's why I'm not voting you. You're probably capable of getting your mislynch but I don't know to what end this whole thing goes. I'd literally have to color my PM red to be as scummy, anti-town, or useless as your tone implies my play/reads have been.

[Rhah]

Do you have any arguments for town to use as evidence of your sorting?

None that will seem sound when they come out of whatever filter you're putting my posts through.

[Rhah]

155 is referring to CTs response to me. Not UC Voyager. The second post you quote is me answering a question.

[Rhah]

UCV if you're town I'm going to be mad. You're so obviously scum that it makes me think you aren't...but then you are, right?

Gonna say that this post was pretty ambiguous in terms of your read on UC. By ambiguous I mean it didn't look like you townread that slot at the time, at all. Apparently you do currently, though.

155 is referring to CTs response to me. Not UC Voyager. The second post you quote is me answering a question.

Those are both things I already knew.
Let´s clarify, who was doing the doubcasting and who were they casting that doubt on?

CT ---> Rhah

Rhah ---> CT

CT -----> Rhah


Alternative explanation:

Rhah ---> CT

CT ---> Rhah


Repeat

[Rhah]

Great. When did she doubtcast you?

Given that you seriously asked this question I will decline to engage.

ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

I think you're more likely to be town now because I would have expected scumYou to take the easy and expected route and call necro scum.

I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?

Talk about unnecessary conflict.

Well... both of your assumptions are sort of surface level in a way. The mafia can't be afraid of conflict anyway, given that their nature is to drive mislynches. This post gives me scum vibes on Luca. I would say I'm getting that vibe from his tone, as well. To be determined.

You're completely taking away the context and putting in its place a generic statement.

Yes, scum may need to be prepared for conflict at times, but they certainly need to choose their battles and it makes little sense to attack someone who townreads them early doors. To bring this back to its origin - the point was that UC not calling Necro scum doesn't give him any Townie points, in my opinion.

In what way does that post give you 'scumvibes', apart from you completely missing/ignoring the point of it?

As for scumreading for the tone - that's obviously just a cop-out due to not having any valid reason to back up your 'suspicion', which in itself is really just an excuse for a possible future wagon-jump.

I find it hilarious when people try to use this reason for a scumread - it's something that can neither be proven nor denied and is just worthless.

No, I'm not.

Okay, here's the thing. What I said and what you said don't conflict nor did I miss anything. wavemode basically said it: Scum will make not-optimal plays or ones they shouldn't simply because they are

free

to. It means they can and will do things that they shouldn't, so townreading people for doing things that aren't difficult and don't make a lot of sense as scum is arbitrary. That was the point. Your example of UC not calling necro scum is the same point. What's hilarious to me is that the bold is quite obviously you doing what you're accusing me of doing in the same sentence, to anyone that can read. Literally all of that has no value. You're setting up a mafia narrative and motivation for my actions with regard to you and at the same time your read on me enables you to join my wagon at a future point if you desire.

I still don't like Rhah calling out Chaos's thing as "interesting" and then saying he thinks it's NAI because it just looks like a meaningless thing to point out if he doesn't scumread it. I think his recent posts have been okay.

We're talking about something that I decided wasn't alignment indicative, that I said I found interesting. You said it wasn't interesting to you. I have no interest in discussing subjective things or figuring out why you would use that to try to read me. I'd say maybe my recent posts and just about everything else besides the thing you seem to take issue with would be more helpful in discerning my alignment.

[Rhah]

Given that you seriously asked this question I will decline to engage.

I think you're lying.

If the answer to your initial question isn't obvious to you already from either my own or her posts then the conclusion must be that I'm lying. If you see no doubt casting from her then I have no hope for you.



@Chaos: This is a trivial straw grab. Did you just fos me for the timing of a post? There's no correlatiion. I decided after that post and your response that your actions weren't indicative. Not before. You're saying I had already made my progression when I made 56 which isn't true.

[Rhah]

I'm 3 to lynch with no real case on me.

[Rhah]

Reads later in the day. Bye.

[Rhah]

I'm not evading an explanation, Zulfy. Your statements seem to assert that my version of reality does not exist. I said in 167 why I made 131. When she responded to the engagement by discrediting me and locking me scum over relatively little "shade" I thought there was some doubt-casty stuff somewhere in that whole mix at least. If you can't see any of that then it must not be there, right? Hence why rope is on me.

[Rhah]

Rhah (4) - UC Voyager, necro, Vanderscamp, Zulfy

Kangaroo court is in session.

[Rhah]

My vote's on necro. CheekyTeeky is the fifth on me, if I'm not mistaken.

[Rhah]

Sorry. Keep forgetting to log into this account.

I still think Zulfy is scum. Necro’s probably town due to that last thing I posted because scum generally is more aware of what their reads are.

I wanna say that this probably flips mafia.
necro probably knows very well what its "reads" are. It's just that inconsistency doesn't matter because I think necro is aware you guys aren't trying to find scum. Also dissonance and implied progression are different things.

What is the case against Rhah

There isn't one. The mafia in this game are going to convince you all that they shit out gold in their posts and that's what's going to work for them. It has thus far.

rhah's iso:
i'd rather not lynch here based on his wagon reactions
but i won't complain if we do anyway

I would you to almost. I don't think you're mafia, you just decided to play for their wincon early game. What a good sport. Town after I flip please lynch inside of necro/CT/Luca Blight. I think that Chip Butty and Zulfy/Chaos are town. Don't know if all three.

[Rhah]

I would (invite you to)

[Rhah]

Well I mean, I think you're completely full of shit. I am too in a couple ways so I'm not stressing out that hard. I shouldn't have acted like I wanted this 1v1 though, given how this town works I didn't know I'd be fucked here. I'd like to answer your questions but I'm mainly not inclined to right now because you're the one asking them and I think you're obviously MLing me anyway, but frankly I'm not gonna case people when I'm getting mislynched with sheer momentum and apathy. You guys can solve like you have been. I'll make my "cases" tomorrow if I'm still here.

nah i just don't care

My hero.

[Rhah]

I talk about Luca in 224. That's the only engagement we've had directly. Otherwise I have a scumread on him for his tone which is a "cop-out read", apparently.

[Rhah]

Wtf is this? Stop bitching like a little girl and give me a valid reason to move on. I hate wasting time on you, but unfortunately you're part of this game and I have to sort you.

As a little girl who may also happen to be a bitch I find your practice discriminatory. Please desist, and accept our lord and saviour Jesus Christ into your heart today.

on necro: Not a lot of words that are going to appear here. play is quite obviously a bluff. It's not trolly in the town way. I feel decently well about this. Given that he has said almost nothing how am I supposed to articulate these points? His inaction and lack of proactivity is deliberate to me and comes from mafia. Other circumstances play like this is probably townread, but no. I believe necro is competent enough to dissuade pressure on him in a way that'd "appear" to be town.

Spoiler: re:Luca Blight

I say why he pinged me before. I think the contradiction he made in 210 which I pointed out is an indicator of him trying to paint me as mafia, given that he did the same thing that he said... I was doing? but his whole tone rubs me the wrong way because it's combative in a very passive way. Players who play with logic are sort of difficult to read given that they make sense. But the interaction I had with him says mafia to me. His interaction with Chaos was a little disingenuous on both sides given that some of the points Chaos had on him were actually weak.


I found these posts bad.

86
88
94
210
214 where the Chaos wagon is formed.
232 Some of these points here I'm reading bad for tone because of the shade and contempt but I don't know if it's the type that comes from town.

I'd like to see more interactions with this slot and other people actually. His further responses to me ping me bad but that doesn't seem to be something I can make a determination on.

No, I'm not.

Okay, here's the thing. What I said and what you said don't conflict nor did I miss anything. wavemode basically said it: Scum will make not-optimal plays or ones they shouldn't simply because they are

free

to. It means they can and will do things that they shouldn't, so townreading people for doing things that aren't difficult and don't make a lot of sense as scum is arbitrary. That was the point. Your example of UC not calling necro scum is the same point. What's hilarious to me is that the bold is quite obviously you doing what you're accusing me of doing in the same sentence, to anyone that can read. Literally all of that has no value. You're setting up a mafia narrative and motivation for my actions with regard to you and at the same time your read on me enables you to join my wagon at a future point if you desire.

You really are missing the point if you think I was

Townreading UC for not calling Necro scum - I was doing the opposite

as I explained in 211. It was Vanders who was doing as you described.

I don't know what I have to do here to tell you that the mistake here doesn't actually affect what I said to you in the paragraph. Also what I found mostly scummy from this interaction we had is literally what I said in the last part of the sentence. You haven't addressed that, though.

It really is a cop-out unless you can at least provide some substance for what you're talking about.

And what sort of substance do you expect a

tone read

to be backed up with? I've provided a little description above. This is one of the things that makes me feel like you're playing dumb. Do you have other reads?

[Rhah]

UGH -_-

I feel given that none of my pushes have been a tangible threat to your slot's life(either on this day or tomorrow, actually) and I'm maybe the only person who has pushed you, you shouldn't feel like you're in a corner. When people present the impression that they're sorting me but don't respond to things I've said before I tend to think their read is already decided on me for *reasons*. As in I've said things before to you that weren't attacks and didn't get anything back.

If you have no interest in discussing subjective things, why bring it up in the first place?
Fwiw I agree that your (Rhah) recent posts sound better but you're not giving me any opportunity to try and re-evaluate this point if I'm wrong.

I gave you several. Here it is in a few sentences. When I brought it up in post 56, I thought it was meaningful in sort of an indicative way. Between that time and post 126 I decided that this was not indicative. What happened somewhere after this point is that you two pushed me for "bringing it up in the first place". Again, this ignores the fact that I had a progression where I genuinely evaluated something. This has happened at least three separate times and I'm still being harped on for something that means nothing.

[Rhah]

Happy birthday, UnaH. Somehow Chip Butty has looked less townie.. Speaking of quote walls, how are UCV and necro invested enough into the game to give a fuck about them?

Summary: He contradicts himself on his reason for ongoingly engaging CheekyTeeky. When confronted all he does is despair.

This is false though. If being accused of setting up mislynches and just shading isn't being doubtcasted a little then I don't know what is. I feel as if we'll be on to bigger and better things now though, like lynching necro who's probably mafia. So I don't know that it makes sense to continue pushing this thing now. Also your approach to me hasn't mentioned anything I've done that doesn't refer to CT, which is still a portion of my play.

[Rhah]

That wagon's kinda yikes, though. I think necro's a better flip today.

[Rhah]

Okay, this time you really are doubtcasting without giving reasons. Got any? I mean, reasons for doubtcasting the guy who is systematically looking over the entire field and calling people our for not explaining their positions, while supplying reasons for his own positions? For the sake of my blood pressure, please don't say mybposts 'feel forced' lol.

Literally expressing a statement of doubt on my prior read on your slot(which I had a town read on) is doubtcasting? In the literal sense maybe but otherwise I don't think so. Please try something else cause this isn't a genuine statement. I didn't understand your progression on Morality (or where Una's response to you leaves your postiion on him, I know that your vote is still there) and I didn't like your recent few posts in addition to the one I just quoted.

[Rhah]

I'm going to stop saying the word and then see if Zulfy magically townreads me. Should work.

[Rhah]

Funny how Necro/ucv are easy people to just throw votes on based on how they play, Rhah was looking like he could be mislynched, and then Chip and I easily look like we could potentially be pushed to stop any momentum we would have gained through our pushes and set up potential mislynches after with each.

necro's scumminess is not style. Portraying it as such is a detriment.

[Rhah]

Morality is scum. Doubt = zero.

Wouldn't mind his wagon that much.

[Rhah]

VOTE: Morality

[Rhah]

How would you know what my style is?

Maybe I can tell what it isn't.

[Rhah]

@Zulfy Great, are you done? The rest of us are lynching scum. Morality/necro. CT is town by this point.

[Rhah]

I think you're completely feeding us shit. Also, 251 may as well be a scum claim on several different levels now. I'm not at all that impressed that you didn't wagon CT when she was doing scummy shit, rather you wait until she applies pressure to you. I think you and necro are scum angling this wagon. Everyone do what you will with that.

Then Rhah posted he could vote Morality, and without batting an eye, Cheeky jumped on that even after having just stated a town read on myself, right before she completely 180’d and contradicted herself..

Interesting how the same thing you use to assert a townread on necro is what Cheeky is now scum for. Or am I mistaken. I'd like to be enlightened.

[Rhah]

@Rhah - Yes. Exactly that. Look at the difference between the two, though. Necro’s is coming from an ignorance is bliss mentality, whereas Cheeky’s comes from just an ignorant mentality.

I'm sure the distinction's only made at all because one of these players is against your agenda and the other isn't.

[Rhah]

I at all hesitant when I am scum? If anything, I have a balls to the wall kind of mentality as scum.

Only going to quote one of these statements cause the other similar things you say are around the...same level of headache? The fact that you admit to being reckless and a wild card as scum literally means we can expect anything from you, including doing things that you

wouldn't

. So it doesn't mean a whole lot. All the self meta stuff is puke.

[Rhah]

Sure. That’s a possibility. But isn’t that exactly why Cheeky attacked me and paired up with you?

Nope.

[Rhah]

Not really. She said you were scum before I said I'd be cool with the wagon, then she voted there. I had a scumread on you before all of that. She wouldn't really need me for that wagon. I think she's direct enough to 1v1 so she wouldn't need to rely on someone to strongarm a mislynch if that were the case, let alone me, in clear violation of the supposed progression she had on my slot. The thing is, it's towny from her. Your response to direct situations is "whataboutthis". I'm sure there's several things you can do instead of deflecting. I've observed the same things you have.

[Rhah]

The fact he called me hesitant should show that I am not scum aligned.

Hesitance implies I stop doing something because I was worried. I’m the guy that had a 2+ year scum streak and has only been lynched once as town in 3+ years. And I can’t even remember the last time I got lynched day 1. When would I ever be “hesitant”?

Stop you're making this too easy. And my case isn't eloquent because I'm effing recovering from last night but you had to push me while I'm down so I'm not letting you get away with it.

Notice how Cheeky continually states making this too easy yet says nothing, Rhah.

Because you're basically just tossing a lot of wine out and it's gross. If you threw some analysis at me (of maybe other things in the game) I'd probably have townread you but your response seems like a very defensive and preservative one. And you consider it correct to doubtcast my skill as a way to discredit my read. You can't dress up shit with that. It's word vomit and I do not give two fucks how awful of a player I am. Scum spew it out in the same way so it's not like I'm going to townread you for undermining the skill of players like it's cool to do. There's other things you can do here that involve intelligent conflict resolution. I may not look like I'm trying to work with you, but that's because I despise humans. I'm sorting everyone in a rather objective capacity. Have you sought in our interaction to question my 180 on CheekyTeeky? Has anyone done that, really? You seem like you're close to flipping shit over what is a relatively minor level of "ignorance" from me. I don't really care given that it doesn't seem rational if we assess the whole situation. It seems like red play.

She also said I was town before that, and the reason she changed it was because I didn’t push her, yet I didn’t post in between those thought processes, so once again, you are wrong.

The reason she changed it was because you didn't vote her at the time you made those posts when it would have made sense, IIRC. What exactly are you referring to?

[Rhah]

And Rhah, stop being ignorant. She changed the fucking read without me posting in between. That has already happened. God damn, read and actually look at what’s happening. Terrible.

I'm aware of that part. Seen town do it before. Give me more of the wall-y cases, let's see if that works.

[Rhah]

Why did she town read me for the posts I made, then that became the reason to scum read? Like, come on. You can’t be that stupid.

Yet, it's such an errant contradiction that I can acutely argue how it doesn't make sense for scum to do.

[Rhah]

Yet it was scummy for you when Necro did it?

I believe it was you who established they were two different scenarios who warranted different reactions, right? So did I. Speaking of which, he's hardscum anyway. Hey necro, if I wagon you will you call me unintelligent and bad? That's kinda my fetish.

[Rhah]

Wait, this is a direct contradiction. You asked earlier on this about Necro doing the same exact thing as Cheeky, yet with cheeky, you town read it both ways and Necro is just hardscum because of it? You are the one who pointed out they were the exact same thing. I was aware, but I didn’t bring it up.

Yeah I asked earlier because you made the same contradiction and you got out of it by telling me they were different scenarios. I'm practicing and learning from what you have imparted in me.

[Rhah]

Putting that aside there is nothing remotely town about necro's play, for one. Considering I can attribute town to CT's play I'd say I have more reasons for those reads than just the one.

[Rhah]

boon how about if you're going to fight you fight with cheeky instead of with rhah

:>

If he rolled mafia this game he already has a win, anyway.

Putting that aside there is nothing remotely town about necro's play, for one. Considering I can attribute town to CT's play I'd say I have more reasons for those reads than just the one.

What can you attribute to CT being town play? Explain please.

She strikes me as the sort of player who forms behind the scenes reads and would rather let players sort by their posting rather than giving scum ins to work the game via interaction. Also mentioned being OMGUS-y which lines up. There's town that play hard like that. necro's play is a veneer and aids scum. Also some of her statements and random progressions don't seem like they come from scum. Her play doesn't strike me as calculated to drive mislynches, which you have asserted. She's also doing a shitty job at "mislynching" you right now and I don't see why a scum!CT would go for an ML on town!Morality when necro exists (given he's town) because necro wagon would be a very safe low attention profile wagon for CT. There's a third scenario where they're both scum but I don't feel I buy that.

Fighting with Rhah is fighting with cheeky. He’s either hardcore in Cheek’s pocket, or scum, I think the former, so it benefits town for me to break Rhah out of that.

If you wanna do an even more swell job at breaking me out of the pocket, insult my play. Well aren't those the most logical conclusions to arrive at. We could have started with you asking where my progression on her originated. Because no one in the game ever did. Great that you know I'm pocketed already though.

[Rhah]

If Cheeky has towncased you like you've said about four times, relax on the emotions and enjoy your clear status in this town, because the unvotes are coming. One already did.

[Rhah]

@Rhah - She was going for a mislynch on me because she thought I would be an easy mislynch. I was very inactive before this, and I generally like being inactive until something brings me into the game hard. Now she is stuck trying to push me but has nothing to actually push me with.

And I'm the one who's so dumb. Gee! Cheeky, you suck as scum. We should have done theatre better early game!

In what world, if I was scum, do I pair myself up so closely to Necro if we were both scum?

The world where you're Boonskiies and don't give a shit?

If Cheeky has towncased you like you've said about four times, relax on the emotions and enjoy your clear status in this town, because the unvotes are coming. One already did.

You and Cheeky are the only ones on me.

Acid was before he unvoted. I haven't seen you attempt to assess his read there. Oh.. it's cause like.. he wasn't really threatening you .. was he? I mean it kind of looks... but... you.. have to be town, don't you?

@Rhah

The way you scumread one player and townread another but then just chalk it up to personality when you don't actually know the players, instead of trying to figure out where the inconsistency in your thinking might lie is a bit concerning. Might want to sort that out.

I'd tell you to sort out a mislynch but you're currently engaged in doing so.

[Rhah]

Acidphoenix’s read of me, I’m not sure what exactly it is,

Can one read acidphoenix's posts in this game and say you're sure of

anything

?

[Rhah]

Hi Rhah, if you're so sure I'm scum why are you not voting me?

I was trusting in the superpowers of CheekyTeeky to push a wagon on scum because I die when I do it. Despite professing my ability to not do that. Otherwise I'd be voteparking you like I have been for a good duration of this game, you know, when you weren't interacting with me either. Now, it looks I was sold a false dream. I'm going to take a break after this post and start crying. It's rather disconcerting to me personally that you don't question people who've written you off as town for your personality (Correct if I'm wrong but that's uh, almost everyone I think besides me and the person you are voting right now) instead it's only a major issue when I display inconsistencies on the matter because I happen to have you as mafia.

pardon me my tears are overwhelming I have to step out

[Rhah]

I've never played mafia before.

[Rhah]

I don't even know what thee word personality means, to be honest. Too many syllables. Also I have you scum because you have a scum ISO. Not because of any of your very lovable quirks and Kobe. I too, am waiting for players to catch up at this point before proceeding.

[Rhah]

I'm sorry Rhah. I shouldn't have let Misery bait me into a half assed 1v1.

What you should do is, get Zulfy or Chipparoo in this here newly formed townbloc. Cause if you die I won't be able to do shit. UC Voyager has definitely gone on a voyage. I think we've all been left behind.

I don't even know what thee word personality means, to be honest. Too many syllables. Also I have you scum because you have a scum ISO. Not because of any of your very lovable quirks and Kobe. I too, am waiting for players to catch up at this point before proceeding.

So then, why talk about personality?

Seems to me that your townread of Cheeky is likely based on in-game reasons than personality as well, so...why does personality have bearing?

Look, I have a confession to make. I'm one of those guys. Sometimes I use big words just to make myself feel better, okay? I'm pretty sure I've done it this game. The biggest word I've ever used in my life I think was, panda, pand,, pandemo .... harmonica...? pandemonium. There it is. Golly, that is a tough one. Okay let's talk about your playstyle specifically. Maybe that's the word I was looking for. I've taken it to mean that since people haven't expressed scumreads on your play, that they're considered it to be town. Because we've all seen the same thing when we look at your posts. So I thought the prospect of a Morality wagon was better than voteparking you when no one cares that you're scumming.

[Rhah]

The non contributive(ftmp) sarcastic nonchalance is not a town quirk in my eyes, necro. I think it's closer to coasting if you're confident.

[Rhah]

Vote Count 1.7

Morality (2): CheekyTeeky, Rhah

Vote Count 1.7

Morality (2):

Vote Count 1.7

(2)

I’m probably going to replace out. Gonna get super toxic and I have a VLA coming up.

I'm sorry we forced your hand. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. What am I going to do with myself for being such swine.

VOTE: necro

[Rhah]

He's really pissed for our conftown. What do you say to my idea of a necro wagon in the meantime, while we all collect ourselves? Gonna be more fun than a barrel of hand grenades.

[Rhah]

My vote is currently on necro.

Well my credibility on this lynch is hanging in pieces so I'm fighting this until one of us dies and that's looking like me right now. Should have listened to mastin's advice on the wiki which is not to argue with scum. Oh well I'm learning.

This reeks of scum..doesn't feel natural at all.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Rhah]

I agree it's a bad post to a degree but your jump on there and for that reason gives me a little inkling that your scumread may not be genuine.

[Rhah]

I'm also not sure of your progressions on anything. I need to sort Vanders, too.

[Rhah]

Why are you scumsiding, UCV? What did town ever do to you?

[Rhah]

also VOTE: cheeky

w

[Rhah]

Rhah is probably town, just has some personal issue with playstyle or something.

It's my opinion that you have a scum playstyle, yeah. Not sure why you get townreads. It's not like a policy thing, cause I can say a similar thing about acidphoenix but I'm not because I think there's nuance to your inaction that makes it scummy. acid doesn't give a shit, but if he reds I probably wouldn't be surprised either. Gut says it's more likely acid is town atm though.

Because I still hold my belief about Morality being scum. Also Rhah thinks he's town.

I have great respect for Morality. He saw me bitch my way out of my wagon, and decided to 10-up me. How can you not love that?

[Rhah]

Like the towniest shit you've done, necro, is give pro-town advice to Cheeky while voting her.

[Rhah]

What do you guys townread about the thing Vanders does where he catches up by just quoting stuff and asking questions, and that's it? Has he been doing that the whole game? It only really stood out to me recently cause I looked at a whole page of it and it made me question if he was really solving.


Why do you townread Una....................?

[Rhah]

You and co. are driving a mislynch, necro. I hope I figure

something

out.

[Rhah]

At first. I really didn't like hero's play style, but it has grown on me. Despite my disliking for naked votes, Necro has been making good points, and seems very pro-town.

Try the Chip wagon for me

He should post more.

[Rhah]

Hey Rhah, don't you think you should vote Chip if you want him to post more?

I place votes on who I think is scum. It's a player's obligation to play the game.

[Rhah]

Well that's the scummiest thing you've said in a while. It could just be a matter of opinion though. I believe votes are tools. I only hammer scum but I'll vote the shizz out of everyone else.

Okey-dokie.

[Rhah]

Doubt = zero.

[Rhah]

Wait you actually have me as scum -_-

[Rhah]

If Ct greens lynch In necro or morality or una/chip asap, If red I don't fucking kno

[Rhah]

I'm still town, champ.

[Rhah]

I'm still town, champ.

Yeah but how do you know I am?

I'm capable of evaluating my own reads and determining a mislynch.

I'm still town, champ.

So what's your story about the transition?

I had a progression on her, I assumed she had one on me, I didn't question the speed because it didn't seem unnatural. Omgus was towny. The ping pongs were kinda towny. Plus I believe both of our reads on Morality were genuine. Like, you have other thoughts on stuff? Pointing out discontinuities is easy.

[Rhah]

Oh god another Chip. Just vote me bro. I'm done explaning to you guys why I play the way I do. I've already said that I change gears fast to trap scum. I said I thought I town read him for a push and watched. He didn't vote me even though he predicted my moves as scum. I mean why say someone who is probably scum is doing x to set up y...but not vote them? If that's not unjustified stretchy shade casting as scum then I don't know what is.

Looks like you've got two Chips on your shoulder.

Hahahahahahaha this is the best post from him

[Rhah]

You're getting worked.

[Rhah]

UnaH

[Rhah]

I don't like the Cheeky wagon and Chip isn't gaining traction.

Why did you find him not gaining traction odd considering we have a handful of slots missing?


pedit: tldr Case on you pinged like scum, pool of 3 at start sketchy business. Luca also decent wagon not first preferred

[Rhah]

Oh my god

[Rhah]

VOTE: Chip Butty

[Rhah]

This or Una

Go

[Rhah]

Don't LAMIST at me dude. You're not gonna shoot shit down.

[Rhah]

Town is stagnating because scum are leading lynches, town are townreading scum and we have 4 or so absentees. Wagoning lurkers for activity's sake is a waste of time. Scum already have a safe haven.

[Rhah]

There's maybe three townies sitting on a blatant mislynch. You already know what I suggested we do. I'm just waiting on votes on either of the two wagons I want. We have a week. People will either catch up, be replaced, or realize that scum lurky fuck play isn't sustainable if they're red.


Not towncasing obv town.

[Rhah]

It's up in the air at the moment. I want you because I think you're sort of scumposting and necro isn't going to get wagoned. If you wanted to dissolve a wagon on two you'd maybe vote a scumread that you have in the actives, or something? Rather than letting her sit at L-2 after posts that indicate you've got a townread of sorts on her.

[Rhah]

I'd towncase her then someone will post 4 paragraphs of shit and it'll be like it never happened. I can't make posts as well as people in here so I don't bother to try.

If she is town it must be burning scum up to have her at L-2 for so long, which is the value of the wagon. .

necro jumped off. I only want to focus one one scumread today because I don't want to put teams together. If that wagon kicks again I'll get on it.

[Rhah]

I don't believe people townread actual town behavior moreso than they do just appearing town. Morality's probably town on that wagon.

[Rhah]

The thing is, on d1 there is no hardcore town behaviour. Appearances are literally all we have to go on, because no flips and no committed votes yet.

Just theory. I disagree.

[Rhah]

I figured you made me by this point but you can't think I SR you for any reason beside play. Unless I'm missing the thing you're getting at.

[Rhah]

Well if you ever get around to seriously pushing me I expect you to explain but for now not really interested. Kinda worried if we end up in a lylo though you'll confbias on me.

You don't post a lot of words. I'm not going to explain air or write a thesis.

VOTE: necro

Hhmmm lemme think

[Rhah]

Your style is ambiguous as in it leaves you open to work both aligns.

[Rhah]

I am in deep thought

[Rhah]

Well if you ever get around to seriously pushing me I expect you to explain but for now not really interested. Kinda worried if we end up in a lylo though you'll confbias on me.

You don't post a lot of words. I'm not going to explain air or write a thesis.

You know what? That's a bunch of bullshit right there.

I've already said why you're scum but you act like I have no reason.

[Rhah]

but go ahead and call me scum with no progression on your read lol

[Rhah]

Hahahahahahaha

[Rhah]

Be right back for a while

[Rhah]

VOTE: UnaH

[Rhah]

necro there's a solid reason or two you can't say I've pushed you unreasonably )at all) but I don't think it benefits me to get into it. Also I am evaluating everyone fairly. Chip or your buddy Unah are decent wagons.

VOTE: Unah What are the chances of Unah + necro, Rhah?

Dunno.

I'm starting to get the feeling that this game is unsalvagable...

What?

Been putting off posting here because I didn't want to go through and make a big catch-up post, so I'm not going to.

Top scumreads are Luca, Cheeky, and Chip. Luca I've already talked about, plus it looks like he's avoiding this thread while posting elsewhere. I overlooked Cheeky's scumread on Rhah earlier on because I was scumreading him as well, but looking back at it, the read progression there feels really fabricated. Chip is just giving me bad vibes, his posts in 718 to 728 and 519 in particular.

I forgot to mention that this post here gave me some bad vibes.

[Rhah]

I'm starting to get the feeling that this game is unsalvagable...

Ok nevermind I get you now

[Rhah]

[Rhah]

Anyways, let's get the Una wagon going.

[Rhah]

what are the main wagons rn

there was a vc last page

[Rhah]

I was kinda getting at, you knew what the wagons were already given that you posted right under it. Or something. You got a scum slot, right?

[Rhah]

I think I believe him. That wasn't what I'd expect from scum... why is there no counterwagon? UNVOTE: sigh. Do we have better candidates and why?

-_________-

[Rhah]

Lackluster tbh.

[Rhah]

956 is one of the wonkiest posts I've ever seen.

[Rhah]

We could have flipped you 8 years ago if I thought necro was telling the truth. I don't know who wouldn't feel safe taking a shot at you.

[Rhah]

Why is Una not flipped

[Rhah]

I confess that I wish I were a dayvig instead of vt because I'd shoot scrum right in the face. Good luck town.

Lol are your three scumreads still necro Rhah and CheekyTeeky

[Rhah]

Uh.....But their goal is to lynch town... your response to the question "why is Una not flipped" with "because they know I'm town" isn't a good answer? And scum happen to know everyone that isn't scum, coincidentally. Sorry I'm an asshole, but could you go for towny instead of witty? Just a suggestion...

[Rhah]

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, October 17, @ 3 PM EST (expired on 2017-10-17 15:00:00).

[Rhah]

It's real easy to say her actions are scum driven when you paint them as such.

[Rhah]

It's real easy to say her actions are scum driven when you paint them as such.

I'm not sure we are playing the same game..

I mean, I THINK her actions are scummy.
You and her seem to THINK my actions are scummy.
I'm not painting anything, I'm calling them how I see them.

There's a marked difference in viewing the game differently and misrepping people's actions. Or so I thought.

[Rhah]

Oh look, 3 hours to DL and we haven't had a hammer. Rather, a wagon switch happened for ??? reason and this is what we got. Whatever. I'm gonna hammer this within the next two hours because it looks like NL's gonna happen.

[Rhah]

Christ, that wagon composition.

[Rhah]

Been trying to lynch mafia for however-the-fuck-long but that's not happening so. Looks like you're up, buddy.

[Rhah]

Win the game for me then, at least.

Very obviously thinking you're going to flip town in which case my and CT's scumreads are clear as day. In the event you flip mafia it means we stalled on a town wagon and a miraculous CW on scum happened. Will consider your reads if former.

VOTE: Porkens

pedit yeah, 1094 is awful but par for the course with this town.

[Rhah]

if this flips town necro is almost certainly mafia

[Rhah]

Don't let rah setup these associatives for day 2, ok?

Oh, it's okay. No one listens anyway.

[Rhah]

VOTE: una

[Rhah]

Una or necro today

[Rhah]

I cannot believe you jailkept me and not someone who actually drove that horrendous mislynch

[Rhah]

VOTE: necro

[Rhah]

^ why aren't we lynching this.. and I don't have those reads

[Rhah]

I have though, you probably scum claimed in 1177 but I'm not going to do anything about it.

[Rhah]

Rhah and Vanders can you please hypoclaim?

Well gee you know SOMEONE blocked my action

[Rhah]

Problem is I'm not scum and tbh pretty sure scum are involved in pushing me at this point.

Who are the scum involved in pushing you lol

[Rhah]

Why are you voting Morality if Chip is scum necro

[Rhah]

VOTE: Chip Butty

I'm done trying lol

[Rhah]

Any fucking day now. Gas on this wagon please.

[Rhah]

There may be a theory that supposes Little Uzi Vert replaced into a scumslot.

[Rhah]

Okay, I take that back.

[Rhah]

Khahfjkfkdkjjsbhshd

[Rhah]

Una's approach consists of misrepping people and acting defeatist when he's scumread. 1313 is a giant fence sit lol

[Rhah]

One of the replacements is scum imo. I'm hung up on it.


VOTE: Una

[Rhah]

Cheeky Teeky can you join this wagon

[Rhah]

Rofl these necro townreads

[Rhah]

I'd also lynch Lee's slot tbf.

[Rhah]

UNVOTE: UCV
VOTE: Necro

FoS:Rhah

Posting from mobile, so this will be short. I outlined why I didn’t like Necro, and I really want to take a closer look at D1 voting records, especially at lynch.

Can someone let me know as to why Una wasn’t lynched?

Because people didn't vote for him

[Rhah]

One of the replacements is scum imo. I'm hung up on it.


VOTE: Una

"One of the replacements is scum." --> votes outside of replacements.

I mean, I guess I'm sort of lockscum to Rhah at this point, so I'm not even going to try and fight there.
But for anyone else wanting to ask me anything (I tried to answer Chip and wave above), I'll do my best.

The whole "oh man there's nothing I can do" is supposed to be a towntell or something? Are you afraid to push me as scum? Because it seems you've been erring on the side of leaving that one open.

[Rhah]

No quicklynch. To be honest every time Lee posts it seems scummier.

vote UnaWave

Sorry I voted Porkens yesterday.
I still think morality is probably scum.

Do you really.

[Rhah]

I want to see the Cheeky flip even more now.
The wagon has been standing for some time, and it could potentially clear necro for me too.
I don't think scum!Cheeky would try to derail her own wagon with a wagon on a buddy D1, when there are other potential mislynches to push.

CB and Rhah teaming up against necro gives me bad vibes too,

but it could just be scum!necro flying under my radar, and they are just superior at scum-detecting..

Like for now, outside of my own reads, there is no way to distinct who might be scum amongst my wagon.

wavemode, Rhah, CheekyTeeky, Porkens

Wave would fall under the lurky type - he would likely have a more aggressive partner.
Rhah fits as Waves partner, not so much Cheeky or Pork imo.
Cheeky could be the kind who tries to find one target to tunnel for a day at a time, and that way produce noticeable content without having to commit to multiple reads or interactions.
Porkens would be noob-scum, or act like a noob to bypass being taken seriously.

I'm most intrigued by the building 1v1 between Vander and Morality.
If I were to assume Morality is scum, I feel like he would have no reason to invest so heavily into a 1v1.
I have no meta or strong gutfeels on Vander.

I still dislike the Rhah-Cheeky -block, and since they scumread Morality and seem to townread Vander...I feel more comfortable siding with Morality.

LUV taking the Zulfy-slot is nice, I think we can work with LUV a lot better.

I'm ashamed I was actually prodded.. Sry guys!

I'm at a point where my work project-stretch was extended to include this week too, so after my one day-off on friday I was working through most of weekend..
It's getting better every day now though.

About this day, Day 2 of the game to be exact..I'm a bit annoyed with my own activity, but also how this game has been coordinated by the more vocal players.
I dislike the read on Necro as scum, but once again, I could be wrong.
Then again his latest posts imply that he has sort of given up, so I don't see the value in "sparing" him either. And since I suck at reading tone, it could be just him trying to convey towny-emotions of disappointment and indifference.

I keep saying I dislike Cheeky+Rhah interactions, they feel like a team over anything else. Just something I picked up on very early, and haven't been able to shake since.

Cheekys claim clears her, so I'm going to say there's something that pings me about Rhah's actions then.
(I would otherwise assume Cheeky has an inno on Rhah and trusts him because of that, but since there is one vanilla goon out there, I doubt she'd take that as a "clear")

Morality either went too far with questioning Cheekys claim (and tried to backpedal later?), or he actually was trying to WIFOM her claim for scum.
Chip is either very paranoid town or scum because of how he took Cheekys claim.
Wavemode likes to vote me - I don't mind. Him and LUV are blank spaces to me, and could be any combination of S/T.
I need a good, solid day-off to read the whole game at once, and I'm back on my feet.

The whole "oh man there's nothing I can do" is supposed to be a towntell or something? Are you afraid to push me as scum?

VOTE: Rhah
I'm not TRYING to towntell, and I think its my own fault if my "towniness" isn't transparent as is.
I'm not afraid to push you, but you are rather townread by others, so I didn't see much value in puting my vote on you for the sake of voting you - I'm not taken seriously right now, so all I can do is hope people wake up on their reads on you.

I still bang the same drum: Cheeky-Rhah -interactions from before didn't feel natural to me. Since Cheeky is town, I now suspect Rhah isn't.

Also I am town.
Also I leave for work now, and hope to be alive when I return.
Also I would like to contest Vanderscamps vote: Wavemode is in the game too, so voting "UnaWave" seems weird..!

4 times you level the same accusation with jack shit to substantiate it. After 1081 CT and I become a pairing that you keep pushing with nothing but noise when supposedly we couldn't be paired before. Of course given that you "can't" push CT it's just me who's scum.

[Rhah]

Are we gonna flip this lynch or what

[Rhah]

what of that AtE is even worth responding to? like you create a preflip that no one has even mentioned and then despair some more, then go on to say something like, how, i'm scum and clearly pocketing everyone, not once have you provided reasons to back up your read? one can only infer it exists because I scumread you. Chip is probably mafia too, so I'm not surprised.

[Rhah]

If you're upset about me being townread maybe say a fucking reason why I'm scum.

[Rhah]

I mean your entire wagon probably jumps ship when Morality creates a towncase on you anyway, lol. Don't see why you're worried.

[Rhah]

Speaking of fun ideas, Vanders flashwagon?

[Rhah]

Oh he's lynchbait is he, that's why he's obv scumming,


VOTE: Chip Butty

[Rhah]

Looks like we don't have time for the Chip flashwagon. Gosh hecking darnit. You guys should have wagoned him when he had two votes earlier today, sucks.


VOTE: Unah

[Rhah]

Rofl.

[Rhah]

Good job forcing nL

[Rhah]

Holy shit

[Rhah]

Kill me tonight

[Rhah]

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-10-29 17:00:00).

Uzi Vert is maybe mafia. At the very least one inside Morality/LUV/Vander. Btw nice one dummies. Even if I were scum, CT, what the hell makes you think you could have gotten this town to do anything within a few hours? The reason a flash worked last time is because scum drove it.

[Rhah]

I need to start drinking again

[Rhah]

Oh boy LUV might be mafia. I don't really care cause we hit scum either way by running through the claims but I'd lean toward voting Morality. I though Chip had cleared me from his D2 behavior.

[Rhah]

The identity of the Vanilla cop is incredibly obvious, and scum didn’t figure it out.

A little unsettling considering scum is the competent faction in this game.

[Rhah]

Why did you target Morality, though.

[Rhah]

@chip

[Rhah]

My problem with Chip is that he handled his guilty weird. UCV was already confirmed JK cause no one ever CC'd.

[Rhah]

I can't believe we actually nolynched. CT you fucked me up LOL. Una's STILL mafia you know.

My problem with Chip is that he handled his guilty weird. UCV was already confirmed JK cause no one ever CC'd.

Not following?

Your result should have been confirmed the second you got it. You shouldn't have needed any other input to push your guilty as first priority.

Why did you target Morality, though.

I want ro keep that to myself.

I didn't ask for state secrets. I want to know why you targeted Morality over what the fuck. it's not like it matters.

[Rhah]

Una is comfortable actually pushing me as scum now that CT is dead and he's not going to be wagoned today.

Rhah, what makes you suspect me? Something about my predecessor?

Nope.

[Rhah]

Lol

[Rhah]

Una is one of his partners

[Rhah]

I mean I had you Day One. You just ad hommed into me towning you.

[Rhah]

Yeah it's really hard to lynch mafia when they tell you you don't know how to play.

[Rhah]

Una tomorrow.

[Rhah]

Well no shit I'm not mechanically confirmed but that hardly changes the fact that Una scum claims in every post.

[Rhah]

The fucking setup is open where it says 2-shot lol. He's hilarious.

[Rhah]

VOTE: UnaBombaH

[Rhah]

And in case UCV can't get off his "lock-town-Rhah" -partybus:

Nearly forgot: my read on Rhah was obviously bogus too, so he is definitely back on the table as possible scum. Jic nobody figured that out, which seems kinda likely...

I do happen to think Rhah is probably town though, just based on his play.

..provided by our lovely Cop, may he rest in peace.

I'm off for tonight.

Except Chip made these posts when he was trying to duck the nightkill by un-claiming his role. You're not going to be town and do this much disingenuous bullshit.

[Rhah]

Ya sounds nice but you've substantiated your scumread on me with jack shit besides vague statements the whole game and wonder why people want to lynch you

[Rhah]

Well no shit I'm not confirmed. That's been obvious. It's not a good sign when the strongest point Una has toward me being scum is that I'm literally not mechanically confirmed, because he has no play based reasons for his #1 scumread for this game besides trying to pair me with a townie. He also blatantly missed Chip's obvious context in retracting his results in a way that's probably deliberate. Lynch in LUV/Vander whatever this flips.

[Rhah]

If you don’t answer my previous two questions, I’m going to just think my assumption that there is no alignment indicative reasons to scum read him is correct

You already saved him once. I'll do the whole case later today.

[Rhah]

Is there a case on me yet

[Rhah]

But the thing they're trying to articulate to you is that I'm not conf conf. But it doesn't really matter.

[Rhah]

How are we going to lose shit with seven town and two mafia. We have room to burn a mislynch. If you green we'll probably reset based on your reads.

[Rhah]

Lol our scumreads are the same, so...

[Rhah]

It's pretty odd you're going to assert that we'll lose the game. I want to lynch all of your scumreads. You just happen to be one of mine.

[Rhah]

If you green we'll probably reset based on your reads.

The pressure point here is "probably".

I mean your reads almost mirroring mine means we would have went with my reads either way?

[Rhah]

Why am I scum again?

[Rhah]

HOW ARE YOU STILL VAGUE AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME

[Rhah]

Id say lynch in Vander and one of the replacements if this greens

[Rhah]

I think Luca's slot is mafia

[Rhah]

What's the basic summary of this game?

Morality may or may not have fucked us. With the help of me.

[Rhah]

necro: I don't care about this game


*surprising reaction when lynched /is losing*

[Rhah]

Question is if the 90 questions Vander asked every day actually meant something

[Rhah]

If only you had the same amount of energy before