Mini Normal 1952: Dragon's Dance [OVER - PERFECT SCUM WIN]

[acidphoenix]

lq is probably town

if he's not i'll probably know soon enough

VOTE: tchill13

T H E W A G O N F O R E R R A N T

[acidphoenix]

quick i respect your town play but based on f+v i don't think the statement that i'll be certain of your alignment soon enough is unfair at all

i don't think i've seen your scum play

also i have no clue which game you're talking about

did i play a game with you other than f+v? idts but maybe

[acidphoenix]

fruits and vegetables

the semi-nightless

[acidphoenix]

VOTE: tchill
also >explanations with your readslist

unexplained readslist = goat

[acidphoenix]

everyone who's posted on this page except maybe tsq is prob town

[acidphoenix]

oh maybe luv too missed him

also carca is lock scum but that's irrelevant

[acidphoenix]

on the other hand, everyone who's posted on

this

page is town

[acidphoenix]

i mean

based on the one game i had with quick i honestly feel i could tell 99+% of the time if he wasn't that

mostly, quick in that game was the most sure townread i've ever had and i got the impression that that was how he played most games

including, so far, here

[acidphoenix]

"who's posted"

is a past-tense statement

smh serg

[acidphoenix]

also quick who did you think i was

lol

[acidphoenix]

>puts out a readslist with everyone
>4 non-nulls

[acidphoenix]

also lolscumreadingquickforaggressiveness i believe applies here

[acidphoenix]

VOTE: boon

[acidphoenix]

egg how to improve your reads rn

step one: don't vote for quick

step two: i haven't read your other reads so who knows

pagetop too

pedit dammit lalendra

[acidphoenix]

wait lol

did lalendra actually reply to "unexplained readslists goat" with "i know i don't have enough explanation.."

hahaha

also no i didn't

[acidphoenix]

i have 9 of em
thinking they include quick, errant, schadd_
probably egg and tchill too

not as sure about the other four

[acidphoenix]

who are yours

[acidphoenix]

maybe not tchill i might be thinking of not this game

given lalendra reminding me of that

i don't remember why i voted him now

[acidphoenix]

what about the other 5-6

:think:

[acidphoenix]

well who's on the other team

like good guesses not like the last one

[acidphoenix]

lalendra who's town

[acidphoenix]

pls do to mafia, is more effective

tyty

[acidphoenix]

i may have misinterpreted 194 then

?

[acidphoenix]

this pagetop is dedicated to lynches based on scumminess not policy

[acidphoenix]

not taking pagetops up for the grabbing is no fun tho :<

if this was mu i'd put vcs there

do you have a readslist?

how far would you stray from my posts at mumble in 182

what do you think of mumble

[acidphoenix]

i don't remember why i voted boon but iirc i don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on him

also luv viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73390

[acidphoenix]

oops i thought i linked a signups

linking a thread probably not the best choice but i provably have literally no knowledge or investment other than linking for the title so

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because i haven't wanted to put my vote somewhere else

[acidphoenix]

luv who on this list would you disagree with (being town):

quick, errant, egg, lalendra, mumble, schadd

[acidphoenix]

i honestly don't see your list at all

lalendra notwithstanding and with the addition of luv same question as two posts up to you quick

[acidphoenix]

bolded is disagreement?

why not schadd

why not mumble

[acidphoenix]

what do you think of mumble's posts on last page

i don't remember why i had schadd rn so i can't ask about him more specifically

[acidphoenix]

oh i suppose
what do you think of: 63, 65, 81

[acidphoenix]

also luv who would you add to that

[acidphoenix]

i meant mostly in terms of mumble's alignment not agreement with his opinions or whatnot

[acidphoenix]

what do you think of boon

[acidphoenix]

luv who on this list would you disagree with (being town):

quick, errant, egg, lalendra, mumble, schadd

except lalendra and add luv and remove quick and yourself

[acidphoenix]

i don't want to lynch any of:
errant, quick, schadd, lalendra, luv, egg

at the moment

i don't really want to lynch mumble but i'd be happy with him

tchill / boon / serg / havo / tsq are the other people in the game

VOTE: tsq

[acidphoenix]

does anyone have a read on serg other than "he's serg and lolserg null"

regardless who wants to go for serg

[acidphoenix]

yes

quick.

[acidphoenix]

running off to dance with elephants

[acidphoenix]

ye these colors my true colors

[acidphoenix]

HOWEVER it could have been improved via

yep here are my true colors

imotbh

tchill / boon / havo / tsq

quick pick one out of these

[acidphoenix]

oh egg's only posted 5 times

hm

quick you're late :u

hmm havo

that's all i'm getting out of this iso "hmm"

[acidphoenix]

so who do you want to lynch?

good suggestions only

[acidphoenix]

"good suggestions only" applies to quick

also, pick one

[acidphoenix]

things

they want to vote you

spew your alignment please

[acidphoenix]

tonal meme reads one of the most accurate types of reads in mafia tbh

also i said spew your alignment mumble.

[acidphoenix]

nope you're going to have to like

do real spew

besides *spew* "alignment" doesn't do anything you have to spew TOWN or SCUM

i don't see an ALIGNMENT there

but seriously pls readspost or whatever

until youa ctually spew your alignment

i have all day

[acidphoenix]

nope, not doing it

try a spoilered four paragraph wallpost that you type in six minutes with no breaks

[acidphoenix]

how about just a boring readslist then

also i refuse to respect any lynch on quick that includes the reasoning "his processes are weird"

i also refuse to respect all that much other lynches on quick at the moment but especially those

[acidphoenix]

then make them

novel concept

[acidphoenix]

what

huh? (@^)

also mumble why not?

we're still playing the spew your alignment game until we have a pretty trail of beautiful alignment color

waltz through the thread for all to see

[acidphoenix]

village idiot

i.e. too much of a dumbass to be scum

[acidphoenix]

havo wanna join in the spew your alignment game

anyone can play! step right up!

[acidphoenix]

i'm playing the spew your alignment game with everyone itt who posts and asking people who they want to lynch is part of the spew your alignment game

tsq was a lynch i was ~as happy with as anyone else in those bottom 5 names

[acidphoenix]

i'm vetoing continuing to quote that wall

[acidphoenix]

i'm vetoing continuing to quote that wall

extending this to quote walls period

mumble you're not expected to be here at beck and call but when you're real time interacting with someone and leave the thread in the middle of it when they didn't stop it does look a bit

well

[acidphoenix]

i'm vetoing continuing to quote that wall

extending this to quote walls period

[acidphoenix]

i dedicate this pagetop to the spew your alignment game

if you're here please join

mumble if you want a good example of how to start see last page's bottom

[acidphoenix]

so is

reads in mafia

the spew your alignment game is completely separate from quick's color thing

i mean if you get a good tonal meme self-spew then sure

but otherwise not

[acidphoenix]

wut what

[acidphoenix]

i am saying that calling it ridiculous is dumb when effectively it's high-pressure rti

calling it subjective is dumb because this is mafia

and also added the thing about the color thing bc thought that was what you were referring to with ridiculous

[acidphoenix]

tchill

that's not what shooting fish in a barrel means

[acidphoenix]

actually tchill we already talked about acid a little and came to the correct and accurate conclusions

namely,

hi tchill look at me i'm so town

[acidphoenix]

the tchill ones aren't yes

the mumble ones are the futility of trying to get him to spew himself

also i removed you in the uzi one because uzi had ~recently stated a scumread on you iirc

[acidphoenix]

regardless of whether you think i've done any solving wrt the alignment spew game specifically

which didn't get THAT much partially because a lot of the time was

trying to get mumble to do literally anything

actually thinking i just generally haven't is silly

[acidphoenix]

i meant luv not you

[acidphoenix]

speaking of solving

quick
luv schadd
errant egg
lalendra
boon tsq serg
havo mumble chill

this readslist made in five seconds and is subject to change at any time

[acidphoenix]

people being visibly annoyed makes them

more

likely to post alignment indicative posts not less

and since he wasn't really posting any good readable posts before it's not like the chance of him stopping posting really mattered to helping read him

[acidphoenix]

i don't see how my answer doesn't answer the first line

i don't see how you're getting to the second

maybe

asking him specific questions would have helped

but considering he went fuck off at being asked for any reads at all

doubt it

[acidphoenix]

checked mumble's recents

mumble up

VOTE: havo time being

[acidphoenix]

if you're drinking maybe?

[acidphoenix]

is this the 10 am today stuff

oder

[acidphoenix]

annoyance responses are actually fairly decent for alignment indicativeness ime

his are actually ~ish? but not really and i'm still happy forcing it there

i visibly gave up after he went nope to reads iirc

question of what part of my pc and other posts leads you to think i'd feel a need to cover my other posts with the 'game' would still stand except i'm only just now asking it

[acidphoenix]

post

count

[acidphoenix]

given that i'm already third highest (at the time second highest) poster

and have visible gamesolving content

where are you getting "hiding lack of gamesolving via spew game"

[acidphoenix]

i forgot you did that honestly

also, the idea of just everything i post that tries to get other people to post in general

is usually because i think posting that question will increase the chance they spew their alignment

or at least make my current read more solid

[acidphoenix]

no

[acidphoenix]

..lol

also i locktowned you like fiftythousand times over with zero meta

[acidphoenix]

it helped

just a little

that your readslist was basically (usually literally) the same as mine for the entirety of the game q.q

[acidphoenix]

maybe because they're dumb wagons

[acidphoenix]

>coasting

tf

also I called

both

wagons dumb

also no a quick lynch is still stupid

it's stupid even before his meta but with meta it's unconscionable

pedit at the time because less conviction, don't remember the context of that post

now because I think mumble is probably town

[acidphoenix]

^ is glorious

next post is a pagetop

not voting: errant, quick, <others seriously i need to reread and rebuild this it's been a while>

[acidphoenix]

i could take chill's reads and flip them but that's cheating

[acidphoenix]

quick think about thatp ost


then think about it again

[acidphoenix]

uzi maybe

tacos eh

i SAID it was cheating

not that it was a PERFECT METHOD

if it was perfect i'd do it

[acidphoenix]

yes right now i cba to do more than nothing

on the other hand, remember that other time in the threadd, when i was objectively doing not-nothing? yeah

[acidphoenix]

like regardless of whether you agree with the things i'm doing i've objectively done things and committed to reads

[acidphoenix]

even if you disregard all posts with even casual mention to that i've done things

let alone if you just disregard the game and note that those posts have other things in them

let alone if you acknowledge that that was still doing something

[acidphoenix]

you could just make a VC yourself

I don't care enough but that's a thing that is

y'know

possiblr

[acidphoenix]

that's fair yeah

[acidphoenix]

bad vig smh

[acidphoenix]

(also bad town

i'll try more

but seriously

god

i didn't say the wagons were terrible

because the wagons weren't terrible)

[acidphoenix]

VOTE: havo

[acidphoenix]

wtf who plays mafia without a deathwish

[acidphoenix]

let's not lynch me, boon, chill, or quick

[acidphoenix]

fml I've altslipped three times and I made that account yesterday

[acidphoenix]

chill that's me

[acidphoenix]

umm?

yeahhhh

[acidphoenix]

I don't know why that quoted

[acidphoenix]

well

you see

I don't think quick is scummy at all

and would probably lynch him literally second to last atm

[acidphoenix]

therefore, havo is scummier because she's not me

[acidphoenix]

I don't have a good reason off the top of my head for havo in particular besides gut dislike

[acidphoenix]

chill what's your read on egg

[acidphoenix]

I'll feel really stupid if lq is scum but I'm prettttty sure he isn't

schadd is an okay vote I concur

still want your egg read

[acidphoenix]

ew that lynchpool

[acidphoenix]

why is tsq out of poe

[acidphoenix]

is there a reason you want to kill egg obv town besides the fact that his posts are big

[acidphoenix]

(if you're afraid of making walls just spoiler the posts and then put your conclusion outside the spoiler)

wasn't your read on egg that you wanted to obvtown him three minutes ago

[acidphoenix]

scum pool rn is: Schadd, LQ, Uzi and acid in that order. Still not sure of what to think of boon. havo is about the only guy i feel good to call town atm based on familiarity. It's not as strong a feeling as i would like but hopefully it get's stronger as the day goes on.

ew that lynchpool

explain why my lynch pool is gross.

me and lq make up half of it

the person at the top is a shitposter who hasn't done jack shit and could be either align easily

luv idk luvs probably fine in there

[acidphoenix]

yes but to me that still makes your lynchpool godawfully terrible

whether or not it's the same from your perspective is irrelevant to whether I can call your pool gross

still have no clue what's going on with your egg read

[acidphoenix]

the difference between Uzi and schadd

is that one has 19 posts and isn't doing much

Uzi has 111

[acidphoenix]

luv oh I was just saying bad vig smh cause town not cause serg in particular

[acidphoenix]

I mean it would be nice if sub-wotc was an actual thing for certain people(not just serg, you know my person least favorite luv)

but he was probably an inevitable mislynch / misvig pending that

but still bad vig you're supposed to shoot mafia :p

(also reminder to try not to out yourself as not the vig)

[acidphoenix]

The Lynch is going to be between me an Uzi today. Is that ok with everyone?

fuck no

I mean I'm probably fine with a uzi Lynch

but no we aren't letting someone be a faux gladiator without mechanical reason

[acidphoenix]

LaLiars is dumb

the kind of lying boons doing isn't super helpful(mostly *because* he's so obvious about it) but it's definitely not innately bad

[acidphoenix]

chill I didn't remember jack shit uzi had done but my reply was based on your reason

obviously skating by with 19 posts is super different than skating by 111 posts

[acidphoenix]

scum and town can tunnel on one player obv

but you can read into the difference

question: why are you fighting over face value things instead of actually trying to read

question 2: why are you whiteknighting luv boon

[acidphoenix]

Uzi what's your read on: egg, tsq

[acidphoenix]

chill I didn't remember jack shit uzi had done but my reply was based on your reason

obviously skating by with 19 posts is super different than skating by 111 posts

At the same time, what’s to say he isn’t disinterested town who only really has a read on like one player? I’ve definitely had games like that.

see the middle part of 1130

[acidphoenix]

Luv is town.

convinced

[acidphoenix]

players perceived as mislynch targets deserve to be white knighted with actually good reasoning or just simple vetos not stupid face value slapfight

boon thoughts on egg, lalendra?

[acidphoenix]

Sheep on both sides of whatever the counter to LQ would be. Acid fell hard.

...

what

[acidphoenix]

do you actually townread luv or is that a reaction read too

[acidphoenix]

I actually town read LUV.

Scum Luv ain’t sloppy, and it’s similar to how he played in a recent game where he was town, and I was scum. When he was active at least.

game is similar boon is scum right

[acidphoenix]

>strike through joke
>discredit

?_?

[acidphoenix]

there are face value things that matter without going any deeper

however, you correctly pointed out that, without going deeper, it doesn't automatically go to either alignment read

and a lot of your things just stopped there

you just defended luv based on some of the things people were accusing him of being commonly performed by either alignment instead of actually going any deeper into how luv did the things; prior to bringing in meta it looked like you didn't give a shit about what luv actually did just looked at the cases and opposed them

and yes there was a reason I posted it cause it was funny to me personally and probably got a quick chuckle out of some people reading

[acidphoenix]

if you're scumreading me on the luv wagon thing then you haven't paid a lick of attention to my posts the entire game and/or haven't previously bothered trying to actually figure out my alignment

if you're legitimately scumreading me off the joke then I feel justified calling you a dumbass because

what

[acidphoenix]

disagree with what

the first part?

the without going deeper part

[acidphoenix]

disagree with what

the first part?

the without going deeper part

godammit I was really hoping I wasn't right the "caught for the wrong reasons" post was obvious from a mile away

also stupid

also wrong

[acidphoenix]

I don't mean for all things at face value

I just mean the particular things you pointed out in this particular game

i.e. only having one push the entire game

[acidphoenix]

there are things you can absolutely take at face value and just keep a little personal paranoia

[acidphoenix]

I mean

if you're burning anyone it's yourself by making a fool out of yourself to the scumteam

(unless scum in which case uh

maybe gj? hopefully not)

[acidphoenix]

luv honestly my making waves pool is just my don't particularly tr pool

which ends up as like egg, tsq, havo
less so you, lalendra

[acidphoenix]

if you're scumreading me on the luv wagon thing then you haven't paid a lick of attention to my posts the entire game and/or haven't previously bothered trying to actually figure out my alignment

if you're legitimately scumreading me off the joke then I feel justified calling you a dumbass because

what

sounds like scum mad that they're caught out for reasons they think they shouldn't be caught out for.

this is objectively a caught for the wrong reasons post

if you're going to search for stupid read reasons at least keep track :>

[acidphoenix]

I mean

if you're burning anyone it's yourself by making a fool out of yourself to the scumteam

(unless scum in which case uh

maybe gj? hopefully not)

If this ended up being the case, then that's great too. I'm generally nightkilled in games, so that keeps me going for a bit.

:gwcfcthonkery:

regardless of which part you're referring to tbh

[acidphoenix]

hi havo!

[acidphoenix]

I mean

two of then were stupid reasons(the joke, the tense on my response about the joke)
one of them was a reason that can only exists if you actually are, in fact, just trying to look at my alignment for the first time, given that it's existed all game(response to quick wagon / building luv wagon(
and then the last reason apparently isn't a reason I'm scum even though you posted saying that it looked like scum because of it)

am I missing anything

[acidphoenix]

hi havo!

Hi Scum.

LMAO.

hi [wrong townie / excited wolf / boons partner(doubtful] !

[acidphoenix]

well yes almost all of it is on me duh

obviously I do need to look at them but I

yknow

haven't

[acidphoenix]

:okay but did you actually read boons posts and reasons or did you just see "boon says acid is scum" and think "hey this makes me happy"

pedit luv you know what I meant and that post has no point

[acidphoenix]

what positioning onto luv

my vote?

*

[acidphoenix]

not nai reasons the fact that despite having read the game I haven't felt a reason to have a tr

and yes obviously I know it's on me and havent because I haven't spent the time

again: this post has no point

[acidphoenix]

what positioning onto luv

my vote?

*

Sure. You're in the Warlock position. You have the strings attached, and are fueling your demon, but LQ is the muscle and face of the operation.

VOTE: boonskiies

ctrlf vote

[acidphoenix]

no I wasn't sure so I tested your reaction

the fact that you readily accepted my question means that you don't actually give a shit about your own case

the prosecution restd

[acidphoenix]

again: ctrlf vote

[acidphoenix]

Lynch all liars as applied to specific subsets of deception isnt always dumb depending on which subset

lynch all liars as applied unilaterally is dumb

[acidphoenix]

you still haven't ctrlfd vote

it's fairly obvious what the problem is boon

[acidphoenix]

ctrlf vote in my iso

[acidphoenix]

hint: the fact that the only issue which seems to be of real significance to you, and at the very least more significant than any of your other problems with me, is my position on the luv wagon

and you don't actually know that I didn't vote luv

[acidphoenix]

it's not your only issue but you literally generalized the other issues as "these are all just the extra reasons that I generally don't care about"

and okay but if you just read through that to actually come to a conclusion then how the hell would you not note the lack of a vote

even moreso than just being significant it's probably the only thing about what I've done with luv I would actually agree looks scjmmy (the lack of a vote)

also if so

.

[acidphoenix]

it's not your only issue but you literally generalized the other issues as "these are all just the extra reasons that I generally don't care about"

and okay but if you just read through that to actually come to a conclusion then how the hell would you not note the lack of a vote

even moreso than just being significant it's probably the only thing about what I've done with luv I would actually agree looks scjmmy (the lack of a vote)

also if so

.

being pissed that you've decided none of my points matter except for hunting for the scum motive in every word while not reevaluating, and now being to the point of "you're either scum or town who isn't actually trying to figure out peoples alignments" (and you've posted enough that that dichotomy almost always flips the former) is why I added the "real significance" and "at the least clearly the most significant" parts yes

[acidphoenix]

Vigilante can shoot me if I'm wrong.


Or lynch me, and vigilante shoot Acid, lynch acid for sure if he lives.

if you are in fact town this part of this post, more than any other thing you've done, has singlehandedly make me lose all respect for you

fuck anyone who makes anything about "if you don't trust me you gotta Lynch me"

[acidphoenix]

not as much the if I'm wrong part but the Lynch me to see if I'm sheepable jfc what the hell

[acidphoenix]

Spoiler: i'm policy tunneling anyone who uses this for reads, including joking about using it for reads, regardless of my opinion on their alignment

obviously it doesn't matter that much now since of course i clicked here to see him replacing out

but now that not heated

retract the "all respect" thing

cause

not justified et cetera

i do still think that that statement should never be said and anyone who said it pisses me off

but bleh saying that sucks and that was too light of an occasion

i do stand by the rest of the things i said though and apologize if one of them was accidentally toxic; other than maybe the calling you a dumbass for jokes comment don't really see how any of them were toxic as opposed to just hostile (by necessity of how people respond to reads in a game)

[acidphoenix]

Spoiler: the above disclaimer is maintained

boon if you wanna make one more

was it the thing referenced in the above post, the tdome, or just generally how people (including me but also, say, quick) responded to you itg

[acidphoenix]

Spoiler: 100% serious

ah okay; i did mean them as "which was gonna be the thing that was causing your toxicity" moreso than "which is toxic"

i want to follow that but also <not putting game things in the spoiler; read below>

reread tomorrow

bye for today

[acidphoenix]

Spoiler: same disclaimer

quick please keep your frustrations with another player based on what they do to postgame

pretty sure that's what fueled the near-replace out

you can rant at them all you want in postgame but complaining about a person without

fwiw i will agree that anyone who deliberately acts as town in order to make their scumgame easier is

although if you're extending that to "if you care more about wolfgames then towngames" then i will heavily disagree

not having that argument in a gamethread though

[acidphoenix]

shea?

[acidphoenix]

luv honestly my making waves pool is just my don't particularly tr pool

which ends up as like egg, tsq, havo
less so you, lalendra

other than adding boon i stand by this

[acidphoenix]

the funny part about that is

whymafia uh

well

[acidphoenix]

lq me and Uzi are laughing cause he played that game too so he knows the secret

[acidphoenix]

it's about the whymaf miller thing

[acidphoenix]

the tldr is whymafia wasn't a miller

[acidphoenix]

nevermind was going to reread but gamestate makes it unnecessary >_>

repeat:
quick still flips town 99.99%
uzi is probably never boons partner and has good town equity anyway
lalendra just towny
chill miller claim is probably a town claim but otherwise he's in the not townie pile
schadd townieish but also he only has 20 posts
havo/egg go here
tsq very very much not townie
boon not townie and gamestate(read: the fact that if he is in fact town he has ceased trying to actually figure out my alignment, despite a logic-based case where all of his reasons, except the one he didnt know about and the one he said I can't call what it is, are godawful, and the entire rest of the game, except tsq and quick, is essentially going "oh hey I never liked acid and I see a person going confidently after him! without actually giving a shit about the actual case)

[acidphoenix]

if playing correctly was related to alignment I could play games with Robb in them

[acidphoenix]

your claim and the way you did it

think that post is after the claim no?

and if not because I forgot about whatever reason I had then

what other questions <_>

[acidphoenix]

if playing correctly was related to alignment I could play games with Robb in them

[acidphoenix]

was my answer to that question lol

[acidphoenix]

v t

[acidphoenix]

boon have you heard of context

[acidphoenix]

I mean

a. I didn't remember that
b. the scumpool pays basically no attention to associatives
c. hm

[acidphoenix]

reason: am town

[acidphoenix]

zz

[acidphoenix]

for the record tacos if your meta makes you obvtown with the way you play then you are literally throwing scumgames to anyone who bothers to analyze your meta to make yourself more obvtown as town

don't

more likely your meta doesn't actually.makenyou obvtown as town

so don't fucking complain about getting shot because people don't know your meta because either you are breaking the spirit of the game with how you play your rands or it's inaccurate