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[Chip Butty]

Ok, I like your points Porkens. I can follow all of them. You've improved the stock of your slot

Why are you giving Porkens such an easy pass? Link some original scumhunting by him prior to this post of yours...

[Chip Butty]

Ok, I like your points Porkens. I can follow all of them. You've improved the stock of your slot

Why are you giving Porkens such an easy pass? Link some original scumhunting by him prior to this post of yours...

His push on me, I liked. What didn't you like about it?

On Mulch,
I had Mulch as a higher townread early in day 1. His PR paranoia seemed townish.
However, as the day went on, his stance on Havo was bizarre. He helped force her to hardclaim, unvoted, and then berated her for her “terrible claim” and even went back to calling her scummy.

Tired stuff on the Havo push. Parroting earlier views.

Then, he pushed hard on Maria over Skitter. Maria was much more townie on my readslist than either Mulch or Skitter at this point.

Easy to say in retrospect. Ignores that Fykus accidentally hammered. Yes, I do think that is relevant, especially to those early in the wagon. And yes i know that includes me. Ignores that MariaR barely lifted a finger to defend herself.

Fraternizing with scum…

Well, if you think she is scummy, wouldn't it be better to stay on her wagon, which is the biggest wagon atm?

That's true. Probably best to stay on Maria just for unity sake. Although, at this point I'm actually slightly scumreading misere more.

Here he accuses you of fraternising with scum, but has offered no justification for calling me scum, so that is without foundation.

And this…

And Chip, who didn't hard bus but seemed whimsical when he voted Skitter, and I feel like if he's scum he dosen't go after skitter, go back off, and then go back on when Skitter train losing momentum.

So chip, who he isn’t scumreading, “didn’t hard bus”. Implying knowledge of chip’s alignment.

This is something i believe you have addressed? If so, still no original thought here. However, i can see how this makes us both look bad.

---
So terrible votes/interactions with obvtown and scummy players. Particularly with Chip. Played a lot of games with wagons, and uhhhhh…
Robbnva intereacted with 2 people. WhyMafia, and Mulch.
Skitters talked TO mulch about mulch but never gave a read on him at all.
Thus, Mulch scummy.

This...might be something. I'll look into it. Are there others skitter didn't read?

In summary, you might well be scum, Mulchy, but that doesn't make this a convincing "push", if we're going to dignify it with that name. Your standards are usually higher and I'm surprised you are accepting it so easily.

[Chip Butty]

Yeah the one thing I didn't get was the "fraternities with scum"

Do you see evidence of genuine gamesolving? I see only the bit about skitter not reading you, but that doesn't exactly floor me.

[Chip Butty]

porkens I'd literally vote tacos just to be removed from the game. I'm not subbing out because no one deserves to play with chip.

LOL. Your hatred amuses me.

[Chip Butty]

porkens I'd literally vote tacos just to be removed from the game. I'm not subbing out because no one deserves to play with chip.

LOL. Your hatred amuses me.

that's exactly how a troll feels.

stay away from my communities.

LOL. I'll do what I want.

[Chip Butty]

porkens I'd literally vote tacos just to be removed from the game. I'm not subbing out because no one deserves to play with chip.

LOL. Your hatred amuses me.

that's exactly how a troll feels.

stay away from my communities.

LOL. I'll do what I want.

Seriously, your hatred amuses me. It's a game, dude. Lighten up.

[Chip Butty]

Chip, why not lynch fitz with us?

My problem in this game is that apart from WM, I'm seriously struggling to townread people. The misere-havingfitz slot could well be scum, but i have doubts about you and Mulch too. Lemme think about it a bit.

[Chip Butty]

Right now it's L-2---- Mulch, Tor, Pork.


If we get another vote to L-1---Mulch, Tor, Pork, X--- I will unvote, and then when we get to another L-1 vote I will immediately hammer.

Everybody on that wagon i can see as town or scum. Ironically i am starting to tl Toranagger because i would be amazed if scum thtew a tantrum like that. Still, mafia is a very human game and humans are capable of an almost infinite variety of behaviours especially when actively trying to deceive. That is why i don't put too much stock in these mechanistic 'rules' for how mafia 'should' be played, of which Havo and Toranagger are enamoured.

[Chip Butty]

Like, Tor, you're screaming your head off about Mulch scum - and you're voting the slot he has been trying to lynch all Day.
It bewilders me.
I remember when Mafia was about communication.
This is meh.

where did I touch you?

Stop fantasising over me. Now you're just being creepy. I mean, first tou ask me how old i am, now this.

Seriously, anything further in that vein will result in a complaint to the admins.

^ this is what crossed the line for me. this chip dude has been nothing but a petulant pain in the ass all game, but calling me a creep who is fantasizing about him is too much. I'm not subbing out, hopefully we just lynch someone and I get the NK in the night. and yeah I'm just voting whoever. there. -throwing the game-.

Maybe you shouldn't have talked about touching me, especially after asking me earlier how old i was and surmising i was young.

[Chip Butty]

just don't answer then. why take the worst possible connotation to a goddamn age question

I rebuffed the age question politely and thought no more of it. It was the 'touching' comment that took it over the line.

[Chip Butty]

I think i could possibly do this havingfitz wagon
Partly because i think the slot could well be scum, though it's not my top pick. Mainly because i don't know if we're gonna get much more out of today. I'm not convinced that a Taco wagon is gonna help me cos when that guy is blunted i can't read him at all.

[Chip Butty]

But then, that wagon...

[Chip Butty]

Has it struck anyone else that the BBT-litc-Porkens slot has been filled by three players playing in a very nonconventional lynchbaity way? I mran, what are the odds? And aren't nornal games allowed to have one non-normal slot? Town-aligned jester?

[Chip Butty]

wrong word. Utilitarianism*

You don't need to be utilitarian to be ethical.

[Chip Butty]

Inb4 but jesters are non-aligned. Yeah, but something along those lines. Just thinking aloud. There's something strange about that slot.

[Chip Butty]

Hi. I am Vanilla Town. Here is my reads list:

WhyMaf

Torg

Thor

Misere - HavingFitz
tacos
humaneatingmonkey

Mulch
Chip

Vote: Chip

LESS TALKING, MORE LYNCHING.

LETS LYNCH THE WAFFLER.

vote: toranaga

I've said multiple times ill lynch anyone orange or below on my readslist. you are just making shit up at this point.

No I've been thinking about it too, Chippy. That's why I asked Porkens who he didn't want to lynch because it seemed like he was down to lynch anyone. I mean if you don't have anyone you don't want to lynch, that's not townie at all.

I've said multiple times ill lynch anyone orange or below on my readslist. you are just making shit up at this point.

I find the pig pretty scummy, but he just owned the monkey really hard on that one.
He has been very clear in his stated lynch goals.

Then why did he vote for a green read ( Toranaga)?

[Chip Butty]

Wait I'm on Porkens not Taco!

[Chip Butty]

2586

I think the mod is lining up another 'accidental' lynch lol.
That's scummy
VOTE: Mod

[Chip Butty]

I think that's hammer.

[Chip Butty]

Goodbye toranaga.

So you think Toranaga will be NKed? As in town?

[Chip Butty]

gg

lynch mulch

if this thing flips green

no matter what Porkens flips

Fixed that to reflect your true thoughts

if you're green and mulch is red

I swear to god man

I'll say 'I told you so'

at least a million times.

Ftfy Toranagger.

[Chip Butty]

I want Taco to appear and engage in a stoner 1v1 with HEM.

[Chip Butty]

Oh, too late.

[Chip Butty]

Yep. Accidentally, like Maria.

[Chip Butty]

Pork got lynched?!

First off, i told you people he's town, the reason why is because of my theory. My theory was that he's poking people to get some reaction out of people and that brings in thoughts, posts and information we can use to analyze. The reason why I voted Pork was to see who else would vote him and/or go against that wagon. Didn't expect another accidental lynch due to the fault of the vote count.

That's quite the progression in just two minutes.

[Chip Butty]

You must read and type really fast.

[Chip Butty]

I'm here and catching up. Why am i not surprised that Toranaga is still here, and HEM is dead despite his obviously bogus claim? More in an hour or two.

[Chip Butty]

I think the million dollar question here is why a claimed Town tracker wouldn't be NKed on a night when he has a track and the only other real choice is an obviously bogus claim. There would be no blowback in killing him because he was the obv NK. There's no need to keep him alive for framing.

If Mulch were NKed, on the other hand, it leads back to Toranagger, who therefore did need to frame.

[Chip Butty]

In other news, Toranagger outs himself as a thoroughly toxic human being, but i am trying to look past that since it is NAI, even though he is making it difficult to do so.

[Chip Butty]

In other news, Toranagger outs himself as a thoroughly toxic human being, but i am trying to look past that since it is NAI, even though he is making it difficult to do so.

oh no I'm poopy to play with says the guy who accused me of fantasizing about him

After you asked me where you touched me, and how old i was, yeah.

[Chip Butty]

Okay if Toranaga v Mulch was somehow scum theatre they deserve to win. Thor went hard after skitter.Taco looked scummy at the close of d3. Havingfitz could be scum. I think it's worth going to L-1.

VOTE: Taco

L-1

If this doesn't win and Toranaga is not NKed, Toranaga credit is off the table again

[Chip Butty]

So, who is scum, Taco?

[Chip Butty]

I still think it is interesting to ponder why Toranaga didn't get NKed night yet. Who would have left him alive, and why?

[Chip Butty]

So, who is scum, Taco?

idk, i will try and read everyone's iso by the end of the weekend and the entire game. i have mid terms on my ass this week but I have an 8 hour overnight shift on Saturday which would give me plenty of time to re read this game.

Sounds like a demanding job lol. I'll reread too.

UNVOTE:

[Chip Butty]

lynch me, then lynch mulch, then lynch skitter. then figure out which one of HEM, misère and thor is scum.

you can lock clear me just from that insane post alone imagine anyone writing such a thing as scum with mulch and skitter

So what is your theory about why you haven't been NKed? I mean, miller before tracker? Really?

[Chip Butty]

yeah I'm scum

save me for f3 though cause I'll have a checkmate track won't I

unless I track the NK

delicious t-dome, looking forward to it

It's 4-1 and you have a track due tonight. There's no way scum could let you live again, and it's your last track of the game so you're essentially vt if you live anyway, so not a huge loss if you get lynched.

For me, the fact that you are still alive possibly outweighs all those posts you are reposting, vca, your fight with Mulch, everything. The epic thing between you and Mulch does also weigh on me, which is why i voted Taco, and I'm not ready to clear him, but until i can understand you not getting NKed, it's going to bug me.

[Chip Butty]

Okay so if perchance Toranaga is not lynched and somehow not NKed tonight he must be scum, so his track report would be useless anyway.

[Chip Butty]

What doesn't make sense?

[Chip Butty]

Okay so if perchance Toranaga is not lynched and somehow not NKed tonight he must be scum, so his track report would be useless anyway.

nah you don't understand

if I'm not lynched and I'm at f3 with a track, one player at f3 will be cleared and then it'll be a tdome between me and scum

which tbh, I'll win, unless you're the town I need to convince

So if you're scum you'd better NK me tonight.

It's d5 and you have a track tonight. There's no way you can live through tonight. Yet you seem to be entirely discounting the possibility you'll be NKed here. That seems like a scumslip.

[Chip Butty]

Taco, don't you wonder why Toranaga is still alive?

[Chip Butty]

Yeah but what possible reason could there be?

[Chip Butty]

@Toranaga:

Your reports are also consistent with you being a role scanner.

N1 you scan Fykus and learn he is an even-night GS and therefore didn't go anywhere n1.

N3 you scanned Taco and saw he is VT (I'm assuming for the purposes of this exercise) and therefore didn't go anywhere n3.

Am i missing anything? You might not even be odd-night.

[Chip Butty]

Everybody who isn't Toranaga, what do you make of his setup argument? Is it strong enough to stand against the fact that he is inexplicably still alive?

[Chip Butty]

What of the setup argument? Is it any good?

[Chip Butty]

His tone seems strikingly different today though now that Mulch is gone. Is that suggestive of scum theatre at all, do you think?

[Chip Butty]

How is he "inexplicably" alive exactly?
He is alive because scum opted to kill HEM.
HEM died because if he hadn't then (presuming Toranaga town) Mulch (with the weakest clearing PR claim) would have been the final PR in lylo with basically everyone admitting that they thought one scum was in the PRs.
So the "inexplicable" becomes very "explicable" at that point, yeah?
What am I missing?

You're missing that n3 Toranaga, if Town, had a track dueand scum took a big risk on leaving him alive. They could have afforded to kill HEM n4.

[Chip Butty]

I do not know about the set up. Seems a bit strong for town as is. But also seems convenient for scum to happen to realize there are even/odd night roles in this game unless they rolecopped Fykus N1. Seems awfully coincidental. If Tor is town I suspect the last scum is a powerful PR as that is a very strong town to have 3 powerful investigative roles vs only a good and scum FV plus whatever.

If Toranaga is town, we have, as far as we know for sure:

Loyal cop + even night GS + odd night tracker + miller

V

Loud fruit vendor,

which does seem OP for town, even bearing in mind that two of these 'three powerful investigative roles' are only half-roles.

You surmise that the third scum must be a powerful PR but we have no evidence of any action from something like that. Thinking outside the box for a moment, what if instead there are four scum? One loud fruit vendor and three goons?

That would imply we are in mylo right now, and two of Taco, Thor, and you are scum.

So it comes down to which of these propositions is most believable:

A. There is a hidden powerful scum PR.
B. There are four scum.
C. Toranaga is scum.

If C we have:

Loyal cop + even night GS + miller

V

LFV + tracker/RS (maybe odd night)

[Chip Butty]

it's not a concern at all since me not dying n3 was -exactly- why mulch got lynched. congratulations you airheads for not paying any attention to the game...

I was wondering what happened to the old psycho-Toranaga.

[Chip Butty]

it's not a concern at all since me not dying n3 was -exactly- why mulch got lynched. congratulations you airheads for not paying any attention to the game...

Because scum theatre isn't a thing...

[Chip Butty]

I agree that is a concern, but I'm not sure that's a concern today.
I also don't care to, at this stage, try to suss out whether scum believed or didn't believe HEM's dither.

Let's rephrase this discussion.
I can see a world where Toranaga is scum, though I find it unlikely.
I can easily see a world where Sergtacos is scum - do you have evidence or thoughts that clear him?
If you don't, do you have an argument that justifies not clearing him off the board at this juncture?

I don't have anything that clears Taco. If town!Taco fires up the bong in lylo, we're doomed.

Only the possibility of scenario B...

[Chip Butty]

I don't have anything that clears Taco.

Okay, let's take this then a step further.
Do you scum read Taco more or less than Toranaga and why?

I need to think about that.

One way i could approach this is just take the most surface view of things, where you are cleared by how hard you went after skitter and your fight with Mulch, and Toranaga is cleared for his fight with Mulch which ended with Mulch getting lynched.

Assuming it's 4-1now, then we lynch Taco and if that doesn't win, lose 1 to NK and go into tomorrow 2-1. Then we lynch havingfitz and win. I guess that is a viable option...

[Chip Butty]

it's not a concern at all since me not dying n3 was -exactly- why mulch got lynched. congratulations you airheads for not paying any attention to the game...

I was wondering what happened to the old psycho-Toranaga.

not in a mood to give a fuck

I get a lot of enjoyment from making people like you blow up.

[Chip Butty]

Pork got lynched?!

First off, i told you people he's town, the reason why is because of my theory. My theory was that he's poking people to get some reaction out of people and that brings in thoughts, posts and information we can use to analyze. The reason why I voted Pork was to see who else would vote him and/or go against that wagon. Didn't expect another accidental lynch due to the fault of the vote count.

That's quite the progression in just two minutes.

You must read and type really fast.

Then there's this...

[Chip Butty]

Taco, i think the main issue here is that you seemed to know Porkens' alignment before his flip...

[Chip Butty]

The opening to 2920 comes across as 'I told you so...'

[Chip Butty]

@Toranaga:

Your reports are also consistent with you being a role scanner.

N1 you scan Fykus and learn he is an even-night GS and therefore didn't go anywhere n1.

N3 you scanned Taco and saw he is VT (I'm assuming for the purposes of this exercise) and therefore didn't go anywhere n3.

Am i missing anything? You might not even be odd-night.

ok say I'm role scanner then. say I'm any scum PR that could claim as if I was a town PR. it's the same thing. 13er with 2 town prs and 2 scum prs that could hardclaim as town. even more unlikely to be true now that I'm a strong af role scanner.

Havingfitz, Toranaga could also be a rolescanner. He even admits it. Yet now he's back to his confirmed tracker story.

[Chip Butty]

A more straightforward reason why Toranaga is alive is if he is scum.

[Chip Butty]

I can't see Mulch buying HEM's claim. So he would have insisted that the tracker with a track due get NKed.

[Chip Butty]

I mean, a loyal cop plus backup cop plus en gs plus odd night tracker plus miller? Who is going to believe that shit?

[Chip Butty]

Everything Toranaga talks about could have been plotted at night. Including scum theatrics.

[Chip Butty]

I wanna get lynched tomorrow too, I don't mind it

you chip butty and HEM were so horrible for town I'm fine losing to whoever is scum in this game

From d4...

[Chip Butty]

that M in front of your vote doesn't discount the vote I suppose

you're still 100% lynched here

VOTE: mulch

VOTE: mulch

I believe this is a hammer. I’ll do the flip and post final VC after class.

"Better come back and make sure you're really hammered..."

[Chip Butty]

absolutely lynch me tomorrow yes

From d4...

[Chip Butty]

I can't see Mulch buying HEM's claim. So he would have insisted that the tracker with a track due get NKed.

I mean, a loyal cop plus backup cop plus en gs plus odd night tracker plus miller? Who is going to believe that shit?

And on top of that, Tora spends his 'track' on Taco, when Mulch's fv alignment was so controversial?

[Chip Butty]

I also find Toranaga's frequent lapses into psycho tone disturbing, because ot is indicative of an untowny obsession with his personal survival. My impression is that he's fond of saying 'lynch me tomorrow' but tomorrow never comes.

[Chip Butty]

mulch wagon was me, mulch, cheeky and sergtacos. tacos likely the other scum, cheeky merely policy voting him cause self vote, and mulch first as an angleshot, then as MAJ. the rest of you were all townreading him and would keep townreading him and lose to him if I didn't stop it. a scum player I caught d fucking 2.

Right, so you want towncred for voting Mulch but at the same time don't want to give towncred to Taco for voting Mulch. Seems kosher...

[Chip Butty]

absolutely lynch me tomorrow yes

From d4...

if mulch was town

why are you even quoting this out of context

Scum!toranaga would know Mulch was scum, so mere theatrics. No towncred for this.

[Chip Butty]

Let's give the others a chance to weigh in.

[Chip Butty]

Prodge: Sorry, have been experiencing eyestrain and probably won't post all that much in the next 24 hours in any of my games. Will look in periodically though and comment or even vote if necessary.

[Chip Butty]

Toranaga is pushing the point that Mulch can't allow himself to be last Mafia standing because he would have to keep sending fruit to his NKs and would thereby out himself.

Okay

So, why no fruit n3? With 2 mafia remaining, he could send fruit and have his scumbuddy do the kill.

Unless his scumbuddy HAD to do something else that night. Like produce an expected track result. But Mulch giving fruit and Toranaga tracking leaves nobody to do the NK, so not appealing to Mulch-Toranaga scum team.

Solution to that problem: Mulch sends fruit to HEM (or doesn't send to anyone) and NKs him. Toranaga does his track/rolescan. D4 Toranaga fights Mulch for towncred, making sure to harp on about the fruit thing. Mulch self-destructs to avoid the same problem arising n5 and try to boost Toranaga's towncred.

So i don't think all this stuff Toranaga is spewing helps him, really.

[Chip Butty]

@Bore-a-nagger: tl;dr. Also zzzzzzz.

Seriously, you need to step back from the brink in rl. You seem unhinged. And it doesn't escape me that you chose to attack me precisely when I wasn't in a position to defend myself. I guess it's Taco's turn again next for the Toranaga spew, right?

[Chip Butty]

My eyes are still a bit sore but I'll read through Thor and HF's stuff soon. Hopefully Taco will be back at some point. I have a theory about who might be scum if it isn't the nut job, but i need to check if my memory serves. I really wouldn't mind terminating Toranaga 1. Because i think there is a decent chance he is scum, and 2. He's way too unstable to take into the next game day. I think just recently he has attacked each of the rest of us in turn, all with equal frenzy. I think he is just probing for a weakness, trying to get us to turn upon each other. And then there he will be tomorrow, not NKed despite having a 'track report' due.

Let's do it. I'm over this shit.

[Chip Butty]

Talk to the hand.

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: Toranaga

[Chip Butty]

LOL. He still can't pick a story to run with. He's pushing me as scum AND badtown. same like before.

[Chip Butty]

I bet he types his spew with one hand.

[Chip Butty]

Basically i don't mind getting lynched at this point. Trolling Toranaga into constant wallfrenzy has been a reward in itself lol apart from him being 70-80% chance of flipping scum but it's gotten old and I'm over it. I've got better things to do with my time than read walls of shit, unlike Toranaga who obviously from the sheer amount of time he spends spamming the thread has no life and i have no doubt never actually gets invited to parties. And i don't believe his BS about being a cokehead either. He's just another loser sitting at his computer for endless hours strung out on Dr Pepper lol. If you other guys want to buy into his spin, that's up to you.

[Chip Butty]

Many thanks Toranaga. You have provided me with a great deal of amusement dancing to my tune lol.

[Chip Butty]

Prodge: Happy with my vote where it is. Locked in, work around it. Is Taco still pocketed?

[Chip Butty]

@chip butty

if you're town, can you at least once not be the honorary scum player? stop voting me for petty shit. yes we don't like each other, I think you're a retard and you think I'm a loser. just get over with that bullshit already and play well instead. game isn't personal. stop being a fucking tool and do the right thing for once.

I never vote for personal reasons. I'm voting you because 1. I think you have a higher probability of being scum than anyone else, though Taco is also not a bad candidate, and 2. It's the correct play here.

If you are really a town tracker then if you don't get lynched today, scum 99% has to kill you tonight. The other 1% is if they try to frame you, and that would be WIFOMy as fuck, as HF pointed out, and i don't want us to go there. A) you are almost certainly not going into d6, so as town why put this colossal effort into not getting lynched? B) your nk will be very low info. C) we don't lose anything by not getting your track result, because 99% you don't get to deliver it, and 1% we couldn't trust it if you did, because WIFOM.

If we lynch you and it doesn't end the game, we force scum to either refrain from an nk in the hope we mislynch again or, more likely, make an nk that is more informational than yours would be.

[Chip Butty]

LOL why am I trying to not get lynched since I'm dying at night anyways???????

why lynch me since I'm dying at night? who cares about WIFOM at f3 if the other option is 3 unconfirmed players? do you understand what you're talking about here?

Sure do, and since there is no further info to come out today, my vote is locked in.

[Chip Butty]

LOL why am I trying to not get lynched since I'm dying at night anyways???????

It's not that town.you is trying not to get lynched. I'd expect that. It's that you are making such a colossal effort, as if EVERYTHING rides on you not getting lynched. Which, if you're town, it doesn't. Actually, there are similarities between your play here, and Mulch's scum play.

[Chip Butty]

Yeah, that's great. What part of 'locked in' do you want me to explain to you?

Wanna turn on me again now? I've lost track of whose turn it is for you to lockscum.

[Chip Butty]

Well, this is interesting...

I had a feeling we'd find ourselves here.

[Chip Butty]

WWTTD?
Town.Toranaga would be indifferent as to whom he tracked.

WWSTD?
I imagine scum.Toranaga wouldn't dare keep me alive, since I showed I was deadset on lynching him. On the other hand, he wouldn't dare NK me, because it would point to him, and he would need to convince the remaining Town he was being framed yet again. A stinking pit of WIFOM.

WWSSD?
Need to think about this...

[Chip Butty]

The reason i say you would be indifferent is because you were flinging votes around like a monkey at the zoo flinging poo at the visitors.

[Chip Butty]

My d5 play was designed to instill in everybody's minds that I was definitely 100% going to vote Toranaga if I made it to d6, particularly scum!Toranaga's mind, but also whoever else might be scum, Taco being most likely, as i said somewhere. I'm likely to bet that my performance was convincing. I also wanted to take myself out of the lynch equation to make it simpler for other town, but thought the best way to couner a possible scum!Toranaga was to break the circuit and not go 1v1, because he obviously gets off on that.

Accordingly, I think there is no way scum!Toranaga keeps me alive today, unless he needs a wheelbarrow to carry his balls around in. On the other hand, it does make sense for scum!Taco to keep me and Toranaga alive, if he believed my performance on d5, in the hope that I will autolynch Toranaga.

Anything you want to say, Taco?

[Chip Butty]

Gonna read d5.

Taco, yes, Toranaga alive with a track is problematic. I need to check everybody's interactions yesterday to try to get a better picture of how you guys were seeing the world at nightfall.

[Chip Butty]

Been busy. Will probably cast a vote soon.

[Chip Butty]

Okay, I haven't had the time or the inclination to read through all that shit, so I'm just going to trust that both these guys bought that I would vote Toranaga to the end of the game.

In rhat scenario, scum.Toranaga doesn't dare take me into this round, while scum.Taco wants me and Toranaga here because he thinks i will autovote Toranaga. So both considerations point to Taco being scum.

VOTE: Taco

YOLO, and fuck it LOL. Sorry if i got it wrong, everybody.

[Chip Butty]

Thanks for playing, all, and thanks to Virtuoso and Aristphanes for hosting.

MariaR lynch: games are balanced for no scum lynch d1, so I'm happy to lynch anyone i don't want in lylo with me. In this case, Maria wasn't putting in much effort. The moderror did catch me out though, because i was starting to think of moving. Could have lynched Taco on the same basis, but i had just lynched him as town in another game (again, didn’t want him in lylo) and was mostly content with MariaR.

Porkens lynch: same deal. I don't mind that style of play, but at that point it was 7-2, and with Taco in the game too, it was too much noise.

HEM NK/D4: Good move by Mulch. It was this that most influenced my D4 play. My thinking was that no way would scum.Mulch allow the scumteam to fall for such an obvious fakeclaim, whereas scum.Toranaga would grasp at it as an excuse for not getting nked as a claimed Tracker with a track report due in the morning. Toranaga, with the additional info that he was town was able to go after Mulch much more easily.

Havo claim: Pretty much what i said in thread. Thor made a point that pressing for a hardclaim was wrong because Havo could have been a doc rather than cop, but to me his "softclaim" always said cop.

D5/D6: Faced with having to decide which of four guys was scum, i think i hit on the right solution on D5. Had some qualms D6, so took my time, but there came a moment when i was doing something completely non-mafia-related, and i knew i was going to follow through on my D5 play and hammer Taco.

"Touch" comment: my sincere reaction was Ugh! I found it offensive and distasteful. No doubt i said some stuff i shouldn't have too, for which I apologise. As I've said elsewhere, i leave grudges behind once a game finishes. But seriously, in a world where people are updet if someone applies the wrong pronoun to them, that sort of comment is probably best avoided.

Taco: I agree with what has been said. You played really well and it's hard to pick your stoner dude thing for alignment.

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Credit for lynches:

Skitter: Mostly Thor. Toranaga also, and me for reviving the wagon when it was flagging.
Mulch: Mostly Toranaga, but also Thor.
Taco: Me.

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I actually lied about being high though, i faked it.

Yeah i get that, though early on i believed it. I realised when you stopped doing it. It's a hard schtick to read through, for me anyway. Entertaining, though. Since I've seen you do it as town and scum i guess it's nai, but don't forget the noise factor makes me not want you inlylo.

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Like I said, I've seen him do it as both alignments. Open 1948, iirc.

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I thought it was Thor: The Man Who Had To Get The Last Word In.