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[havingfitz]

W/e still not a lynch for today.

For now:

VOTE: HavingFitz

I'm not scum but I am v/la until Wednesday

(attn: mod)

.

[havingfitz]

I could probably be convinced of voting HEM fwiw

What about havingfitz

Just stop please. Focus your wrongness somewhere else.

[havingfitz]

We're gonna lynch between Porkens and havingfitz.

Err...I'm not scum ffs. Did you attend the Mulch school of scumhunting?

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I did not read the 80+ pages at joining due to it immediately going to night and wanting to ensure I was still alive come D3. As the game has now ballooned to 100 pages catching up might be awhile.

Also...

FYI mod...I'll be v/la for a wedding Friday afternoon till Tuesday morning (Oct 8th).

[havingfitz]

Maria wagon makes me feel slightly better about havingfitz/Misere slot.

Why is that?

[havingfitz]

OK...so I am caught up on my vote logging.

Good job on finding scum yesterday. As I haven't read yet I don't know if skittles was blatent scum which would have def been bussed or iffy scum. As there were no strong counterwagons to him (aside from Toranga for a short time) I will assume at least one partner bussed. My guess for a skittles busser would be Mulch with the L-1 vote combined with voting town most of D2 (misere/moi) and pushing the D1 mislynch.

For scum possibly not bussing skittles my pick would go to the Porkens slot based on D1 mislynch and D2 skittles avoidance. Also pushing the same wagon today that skittles did most of D2.

I sliiightly lean against there being all three scum on the D1 Maria wagon however so that makes me sliiightly doubt that both Porkens and Mulch could be scum together.

Skittles being on Chip Butty hard all of D2 leans me towards Chip being town.

Lean town on Thor and Taco atm.

tl:dr;

VCA based reads:
Town

lean

- Chip, Thor, Taco.
TBD - Whymafia, Toranga, human,
Suspect - Mulch and/or Porkens

If I was going to vote right now it would probably be on Porkens but I want to see if a readthrough supports the above reads.

[havingfitz]

Why do you town read Sergtacos though?

Strictly vca in absence of readthrough. He shoqed commitment to skittles wagon and could have opted for Chip wagon (L-2) or put Toranga at L-1 later. Unless those are scum PRs I'd think scum Taco would prefer them to a partner. All bussing aside.

[havingfitz]

Misere and BBT were on the mislynch but off the Goon lynch.

Good catch. Let's vote BBTs slot.

[havingfitz]

Hi. I am Vanilla Town. Here is my reads list:

WhyMaf

Torg

Thor

Misere - HavingFitz

tacos
humaneatingmonkey

Mulch
Chip

Vote: Chip

VCA based reads:
Town lean - Chip, Thor, Taco.
TBD - Whymafia, Toranga, human,
Suspect - Mulch and/or Porkens

If I was going to vote right now it would probably be on Porkens but I want to see if a readthrough supports the above reads.

Mulch Bumps up over chip/having.
Monkey/mulch is possible, but improbable.
I am fine with this gladiate.

vote: Havingfitz

[havingfitz]

what the fuck Misere and BBT was off the goon wagon because they were being replaced smh

BBT was voting at the time of the lynch. Havingfitz had already replaced in but refrained from voting because he "wanted to live through night 1"

MariaR

(7):

Chip Butty

, Mulch, Thor665,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Misère

,

skitter30

,

Fykus

(LYNCH)

BlueBloodedToffee

(2): humaneatingmonkey,

Fykus

Fykus

(2): Toranaga, Sergtacos

skitter30

(1): WhyMafia

Chip Butty

(1):

Havo

Misère

(1):

MariaR

skitter30

(5): Thor665, Sergtacos,

Chip Butty

,

Fykus

, Mulch, Toranaga -- LYNCH

Chip Butty

(2):

BlueBloodedToffee

,

skitter30

Fykus

(1):

WhyMafia

Not Voting (2):

havingfitz

, humaneatingmonkey

This post is a lie and fabrication. I joined in post 2090...the same post the mod announced skitter was hammered. I didn't refrain from anything D2 because I never even got the chance to post.

bs.

VOTE: Porkens

[havingfitz]

I misremembered whoever said "...I would live through night 1" Who said that?

I did earlier today wrt not reading the game N2.

[havingfitz]

and yet...infinite town reads and no votes.

What/who is this referring to?

[havingfitz]

Will also hammer Fitz

As I would you.

[havingfitz]

Man I would be salty if the misere slot is town.

Hello salty.

[havingfitz]

if misere flips green

Misere's not in the fucking game. And I'm town.
Vote Porkens or Mulch.

[havingfitz]

Thor for somene that prides themselves on good reasoning you have shit reasoning for why they are town, or none at all

Remind the reason you think I'm not town. POE and ????

[havingfitz]

if misere flips green

Misere's not in the fucking game. And I'm town.
Vote Porkens or Mulch.

vote: mulch

eh

VOTE: Mulch

[havingfitz]

Scum cause of misere and now for your push on me, and for not unvoting porkens

Cause of misere? You mean agreeing with/pocketing you and suspecting skitter (who you hard defended D1...ronnva too)?

How is voting a suspect and not unvoting a suspect suspect? smh....

More votes for crap case scum fruit vendor please.

[havingfitz]

Nope. It's more intricate

Thanks for clearing that mystery up.

[havingfitz]

Thor...what about Taco's vote on Skitter D2 do you have issue with? I just partially ISO'd Taco with an eye on his skitter comments and he seemed to suspect skitter a good portion of D2 prior to voting him.

Also...I looked in the archives to see what sort of roles might be associated with *-night Gunsmiths and of the four examples (for town) that I saw in the archives...three had more than one scum PR and the lone example that had only one scum PR had much stronger town than we have (claimed).

Point is...I have my doubts on the Toranga slot but I feel that will sort itself out tonight. I believe Mulch is a Fruit Vendor so the only thing is his alignment. As much as I hate to say it...I don't scum having two PRs against a gunsmith/cop/and tracker and have one of those PR's be a fruit vendor.

UNVOTE: pfffffffft

I have my doubts on the Toranga slot but I feel that will sort itself out tonight. I could see scum having an alt-night PR to the gunsmith. Not interested in Tor today though.

I believe the Whymafia miller claim so no interest in a CheekyTeeky wagon.

So no interest in CheekyTeeky, Thor (vca), Mulch (weakass pr), Tor (night 3 sorted).

I'm leaning town on Tacos for vca and pending further discussion with Thor.

Leaning town on Chip for excellent cross bussing between the two (Chip and Skitter) if they are partners.

That leaves me with Porkens and Human. Both off the Skittles D2 lynch (though Human flirted with meaningless votes a few times).

I think it's back to Porkens for me. All over the place and simply willing to vote anyone in half the player list.

VOTE: Porkens

[havingfitz]

I don't think Porkens is scum tho. I have a theory and I don't wanna mention it.

Why not share thoughts that might move others to agree with your Porkens read?

[havingfitz]

is anyone interested in being convinced mulch is scum?

Sure.

[havingfitz]

Tomorrow I will say the checks so that they will not be NKed. I will not say anything before that.

If you are telling the truth you would currently only have one check to not share as to avoid a nk. One check. Not checks....plural.

[havingfitz]

Also...

FYI mod...I'll be v/la for a wedding Friday afternoon till Tuesday morning (Oct 8th).

[havingfitz]

Also...

FYI mod...I'll be v/la for a wedding Friday afternoon till Tuesday morning (Oct 8th).

[havingfitz]

I think fitz would more likely just go for the logical NK instead of cheeky.

I would have gone for the player presenting the biggest threat to my wincon. Not an underposter with a non-confirmed claim who I was townreading.

goodnight.....zzzzzzzz

[havingfitz]

since no one else is even trying anymore

vote: sergtacos

I'll try to do some stuff tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

Mid-stuff.

Meanwhile....I think we should no lynch. That gives Tor a chance to use his track and leaves us a mislynch tomorrow.

We lynch wrong today and it's LYLO tomorrow.

VOTE: No Lynch

[havingfitz]

Fcuk.
UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

Everybody who isn't Toranaga, what do you make of his setup argument? Is it strong enough to stand against the fact that he is inexplicably still alive?

Who else would have been the nightkills each night? The only nightkill that doesn't make sense is Cheeky...though if Tor is town he was no threat N4 (if roleclaim is truthful).

I do not know about the set up. Seems a bit strong for town as is. But also seems convenient for scum to happen to realize there are even/odd night roles in this game unless they rolecopped Fykus N1. Seems awfully coincidental. If Tor is town I suspect the last scum is a powerful PR as that is a very strong town to have 3 powerful investigative roles vs only a good and scum FV plus whatever.

Still in the midst of Tor's 600+ post ISO.
V/LA over the weekend as usual.
Not sure I would vote Tor today he has done a lot that I find suspect. I plan on ISOing everyone still alive though before I lay down a vote.

[havingfitz]

Tor...can you explain how you are a confirmed tracker?

[havingfitz]

Why did you claim Tor?

[havingfitz]

OK...so I finally finished Toranaga's ISO. FFS it was a lot of posts.

In summary...I suspect Tor. I find his suspicions to be very inconsistent outside of his impressive confidence that skittle and Mulch were scum.

I find it extremely coincidental his N1 action targeted Fykus, the even night gunsmith, and strangely enough...he also has an odd-night modifier on his PR. Which he claimed before Fykus....but unnecessarily at L-3. Then...despite getting no movement by Fykus (which one would assume was at least a plus in the "is he town column" for Fykus) deems him worthy of the D2 lynch.

Strangely enough...his N3 track, Taco, is also the recipient of his vote today despite not having visited anyone N3 when supposedly tracked. Why would a tracker be so inclined to go against what his results would seem to indicate? Twice.

I'm not a big fan of all his adamant assertions that he is town; and confirmed; and sure to be the NK repeatedly. His confidence in the scum team's first 2 members was very impressive even if the same confidence has not been present outside of those two scum.

I will say that if Tor is town I will be a big fan of his abilities after this game.

That said...I do not want Tor in D6. Ideally he is scum who really worked to make himself come across as town and distance himself from skitter and Mulch. But regardless of his alignment...if he were alive D6 there would be so much wifom to sift through my head would explode. If he made D6, regardless of what his N5 claim result was it would be too late to be acted on with certainty. Once a game gets to LYLO any unsubstantiated claims and their results are worthless imo.

If Tor is the lynch today...1) he could very well be scum, and 2) if not scum...it's just a standard 3 person LYLO tomorrow amongst people who do not have claims. Just a good old vanilla 2 townies vs 1 scum. I like those odds a lot more than if Tor brings a shitload of WIFOM to the day.

If Tor is not today's lynch and it is a mislynch...I have a hard time not voting Tor D6 if he makes it through the night.

I'll still ISO the other 3 players in the game but as it currently stands...I want to lynch Tor today.

Spoiler: Tor ISO

Day 1

Seems to be shading

robbnva

a good bit early D1.

Skittles

replace in is initially very well regarded (114).

Goes back and forth on

Skittles

...suspicions and town reading....vote...unvote...

809...hates a post by

Mulch

(which I actually saw nothing wrong with) but votes chip.

831...has

Mulch

at the bottom of his reads list (while voting chip who isn't even listed) and says he could easily swap

Mulch

at the bottom with Tacos.

836...more

Mulch

bashing (without a vote) while a post or two earlier starting to tr Tacos more.

840...4 posts later and

Mulch

is in the townblock. Shades

Fykus

and votes him in the next few posts.

Day 2

Spends significant portion of the day going off on, and voting, Chip...only to flip over to

Fykus

putting him at two votes. No real reason given other than to appease Chip's tunneling accusation. And Tor could have easily voted

Skittles

as well who had a larger wagon atm than

Fykus

.

1314...claims odd night tracker with a N1 track on

Fykus

. If

Fykus

didn't go anywhere why would you suspect him more than the other people you suspect? Your negative track result should spare him your vote over those you have no results on.

1381...Tor thinks the scum are chip,

mulch

and

fykus

.

1383...Tor calls

skitter

"lock town" for

skitter's

1364 defense of him (Tor).

1396...Tor says to never lynch

Misere (me)

due to

Mulch

suspicions.

1461...Tor is willing to lynch mulch with Chip.

1478...Tor votes

Misere (moi)

despite saying earlier to never vote

Misere

because of

Mulch

....who he is still scum reading.

1487...Tor thinks the scum are Chip,

misere

and

skitter

.

1509...Tor doesn't think Chip is scum.

1512...votes

mulch

. Wait! 1513votes

skitter

.

1567...top scum reads are

skitter

and

Mulch

.

1739...Tor last will and testament. Either very accurate from town pov or distancing and/or bussing at the same time is Tor is scum.

Feels like

Mulch

and Tor war is cross bussing to protect who ever isn't the first of them to be lynched.

1926...Tor thinks the scum are

misere

,

skitter

and

HEM

followed up with a vote on

misere (moi)

.

2089...Tor hammers

skitter

.

Day 3

2137...Tor thinks Tacos is a villager. Next post says he doesn't want to lynch misere if

Mulch

is scum nor

Porkens

for whatever.

Makes several posts directed at

Mulch

dissecting why his game doesn't make sense as town...says if

Mulch

is scum he bets his buddy is either Chip or

HEM

. Ergo Chip?

2191...not scumreading Thor at all.

2202...Tor locktowning

WM

and Tacos only to a certain extent and thinks Chip is likely a villager (???). Seems to shade Thor later in the post. flipflopflipflop...

2204...if

Mulch

flips scum lynch Thor. huh?

2214...if

Mulch

is scum and

HEM

is town...Thor is scum.

2244...ok...so this is why Tor thinks he is a confirmed tracker. I disagree. I seem to recall someone saying a rolecop would know

fykus

had gone nowehere N1. And a RB. Though if the last scum PR was a RB (which I doubt) I do not think scum would have fakeclaimed with a PR modify such as "odd-night."

2286..in this post Tor points out that the FV wouldn't be able to send fruit and perform the NK. This despite in the example Loud Fruit Vendor game he and

Mulch

discuss it appears the LFV can do both. Tor goes on to mention a scenario he would delay voting

Mulch

despite continuing to hard scum read him.

2334...implores whoever is town to vote

Mulch

with him at the end of the day. At this point Tor has yet to place a D3 vote btw.

2395...

Mulch

is a lock to flip red and his remaining buddy is

HEM

or Thor.

2407..."tacos is absolutely clear if

Mulch

is scum."

2431..."

Mulch

is the lynch this gameday."

2501...

misere

was a little scummy and so am

I

.

2609...finally places a D3 vote. Puts a 2nd vote on Chip instead of a 2nd vote on who is has been lobbying for all day (i.e.

Mulch

).

2637...says he would vote

Misere (me)

ahead of Chip (who he is currently voting), tacos and

Porkens

.

Votes

me

three gameposts later. States if

I

flip green to go for

Mulch

> Thor.

2679...switches over to

Mulch

and stays there the rest of D3, avoiding the eventual

Porkens

mislynch.

2682...

misere

had "good towny posts" and he likes

me

...me who he was just voting.

2831...twilight guess....remaining scum are either

me

and Taco or

Mulch

and Thor.

Day 4

2930...Tor tracked Tacos N3 and Tacos did not visit anyone.

Lots of back and forth with

Mulch

about their respective night actions. No vote on

Mulch

at this point btw.

Lots of distancing between Tor and

Mulch

going on. ex. 3005...

3021..."if it's

fitz

or taco I'd be surprised"

3077...Tor vehemently proclaims that a scum FV cannot do the nightkill AND send fruit...despite the fact the mod would not answer this question and the scum LFV example he discusses earlier in game is an example of where a scum FV can do both in the same night. And on that note...if he really believes that

Mulch

could not give fruit and NK in the same night...then he should consider taco practically cleared based on his N3 result. Which is not the case.

3127..."after

Mulch

, go Thor, and then chip."

Day 5

3184..Tor votes tacos. WTF? What happened to "after

Mulch

, go Thor, and then chip?"

[havingfitz]

I'm here watching/reading. Mulling things over. :/

[havingfitz]

No questions. My earlier sentiments still stand. When I'm not on my phone I may respond to some of your declarations/explanations today.

Fun fact...you've voted everyone left in the game today (D5), including yourself, except me.

[havingfitz]

I didn't get to this tonight and now it's time for zzzzzzzzzz. I'll look things over tomorrow morning.

[havingfitz]

I think Fitz is scum because the Serg push on Mulch and the the Skitter push on Chip feel un bus like.

1. So POE based on your bus meter? That's it?
2. Why aren't you voting me?

[havingfitz]

I have linked many games already, check my ISO if you wanna know

You're lock town to me. I don't think scum would bother checking.

UNVOTE: Tor

Scum wouldn't bothwr checking what?

[havingfitz]

checking mulch games to establish his meta

You were checking game mechanics moreso than Mulch from what I'm skimming over.

I'm at the ppint where I think lynching Thor and Tor in whatever order results in a win. I don't know if Taco and Chip (cool hydra name potential) feel the same way but if both of them vote one of you I'll hammer. If you or Thor bring tje other to L-1 I would probably want to hear from whichever of them wasn't on that wagon.

@Tor. Whose scum if not Thor?

@Thor...who's scum if not me?

Ebwop...Tor says Chip.

[havingfitz]

Feel free to keep fake reading?

Was this a question?

Between skimming each post...unless one is of interest...and not having total recall...I might ask the occasional question that has been answered in the haystack.

In the interest of currency (not money) I don't think asking the who do you suspect question is ever inappropriate. Unless just immediately discussed as Tor did.

I knew you suspected Tor to some degree but as I'm not scum...from my pov I wanted to know who your second was if not me.

[havingfitz]

Feel free to keep fake reading?

Was this a question?

Between skimming each post...unless one is of interest...and not having total recall...I might ask the occasional question that has been answered in the haystack.

In the interest of currency (not money) I don't think asking the who do you suspect question is ever inappropriate. Unless just immediately discussed as Tor did.

I knew you suspected Tor to some degree but as I'm not scum...from my pov I wanted to know who your second was if not me.

It was a retort - considering Toranaga had been misrepresenting my reads and I'd had to correct him I felt no need to repeat my reads for an empty question that is functionally meaningless at this point and that you easily could have researched.

If Tor and I are both town who is your third scumspect and why?
I think your reads look very bad.

So if you are today's lynch (and flip town) and by some miracle Tor is the NK...knowing who you suspected most beyond me (who is town) is an empty and functionally meaningless question? smh.....

And then you ask me the same thing I am trying to get answered from you.

If we get to tomorrow and you and Tor are gone I do not know who I would suspect most between Chip and Tacos. I would give them a clean slate and go from there. If that's your answer fine. If you do suspect one of them more than the other then it's not an empty question.

Since you are asking me who I suspect beyond you and Tor I assume you are inferring my reads on you and Tor are bad. And considering we both suspect Tor to a degree and are scum reading the other...how can you say my reads are bad when, if you were town like I am, your reads would be equally bad?

On that note...this doesn't feel like the Thor I remember. You are being very indecisive IMO and not really trying. Just disagreeing with others for the sake of disagreeing...or producing content. IDK. I mean sure...the charm and sharp wit are still present but the scum hunting I would expect from you is not.

Since this is my Friday and I do not expect to access mafia (much) over my 3 day weekend, I'll vote this afternoon.

Right now that vote will be on Thor.

[havingfitz]

So browsing through some of my old posts and updating where I am on the remaining players.

When I gave my first reads (2503) I stated that I did not think all three scum would be on the D1 mislynch. I still feel that way. Mulch and Skittles were both on the D1 mislynch...so that would point towards scum in the two who were not on the D1 wagon, i.e. Tor and Taco.

I'm still inclined to think Chip is town based on the commitment skitter showed towards him getting lynched D2.

The D2 Fykus wagon got to L-2. People wanted him lynched. L-2 = commitment IMO unless someone is quick to get off the wagon which none of the Fykus voters did iirc. The L-2 Fykus wagon lingered for ~6 pages.

I doubt the L-2 Fykus wagon was all town. Mulch and skitter we never on it. Whymafia and HEM were both on it. They flipped town. So that would point towards scum in the two Fykus voters who are still alive off the Fykus wagon, i.e. Tor and Taco.

Aside from misere/me...everyone still alive was on the skitter wagon. So whoever the last scum is obviously had no problem voting their partner. I personally put more weight on bussing with conviction early in the game (hence the Chip tr thanks to skitter). Of the folks on the skitter wagon the player most wishy washy towards lynching skitter was Tor (despite what I seem to recall as being very anti skitter even if he wasn't voting...which is what matters).

D3 everyone alive was on the Porkens mislynch except for Thor and Tor. Side note...Mulch also avoided the Porkens mislynch. To Tor's credit he was voting Mulch most of D3 even if his vote there was harmless. And I don't see how Porkens could have been as cleared by any player as he was by Tor. Insider knowledge can make a player awfully accurate.

So D4 Mulch was lynched fairly quickly. It happened entirely while I was v'LA over a weekend so iirc I didn't even get a post in D4 unless it was to announce being v/LA. I do not recall how solid Mulch was with regard to being that day's lynch.

Was there some sort of error he made that made people more sure of his alignment? If so...I think that would point more towards him being bussed. The only two still alive on the Mulch wagon are...you guessed it...Tor and Taco. If there was no smoking gun on Mulch and his lynch was up for debate...then maybe there was a chance he would survive and his partner would avoid his wagon. That would point towards Chip (who I'm tr'ing) and Thor. Mulch putting himself at L-1 also messes with vca of his lynch as well.

Then we come to D5. Taco and Tor have voted everyone in the game other than me (thanks...I'm town). Make of that what you will, I see it as a willingness to vote anyone for self preservation to get to LYLO.

Long story short...I do still suspect Tor. I am enjoying his effort but I think he is still a candidate to be scum who if town...would bring too much wifom to survive in LYLO if he made it there. And the fact he has pushed for 2 scum lynches doesn't take away the possibility that he did it for town cred. I can just envision him now joining the scum PT at the beginning of the game and saying "Let's play for the win! I'm bussing both your asses!"

VOTE: Tor

[havingfitz]

To vote...or not to vote. What's up Thor?

[havingfitz]

If I'm voting you why would I object to Thor "capping" you?

[havingfitz]

So I'm who you suspect the most? Did I miss your case during my fake reading?

[havingfitz]

wow that's a towny vote

It was a bit towny other than the fact it is on town. You joining it is not however.

Thor...I'm town. Switch to Tor.

Taco...I'm town. Don't mindlessly sheep Tor.

[havingfitz]

And you switch to me for yolo. Good stuff.

[havingfitz]

Can someone fcuking hammer Tor? He is all over the place only looking for his own self preservation despite going so far as for show to vote himself at one point.

You say you don't think I've read the game to any reasonable extent but how does that accusation make me anymore scum than you? That's NAI. You've town read me practically the entire time I've been in this game and now when it looks like you can save your ass on me I'm your yolo mislynch.

I'm town. Someone hammer Tor. If I'm wrong on him at least town won't have to deal with the f'd up WIFOM that him being alive tomorrow would bring. But I'm not convinced he isn't scum. The fact that he has bussed both scum is not anything that's never been done before. Hell...all of you still alive bussed skitter and have of you bussed both, It doesn't clear anyone.

And using set up spec to clear yourself is a no go. Scum can set up spec with the best of them to suit their wincon.

And for someone who so masterfully pegged his two scum buddies early in the game...you have been pants on head since suspecting anyone the wind blows towards.

I'm town....vote Tor.

[havingfitz]

also I moved from thor who had two votes on him before you could hammer. how does that go for self preservation?

What are you talking about? I posted while he was at L-1...I could have hammed Thor. I prefer you for actual non yolo reasons.

[havingfitz]

I don't get the objective logic of lynching him before me

I suspect him more. Is that objective enough for you?

[havingfitz]

that F3 'wifom' argument is pretty terrible

the only difference between me at f3 and anyone else at f3 is that, if I'm the town tracker, I can increase the town chance of winning to 50% as long as I don't track the NK

if I'm a wolf I might still play into that and and the remaining villager still has a 50% shot

me getting lynched now is terrible and 'wifom' doesn't work as a reason to do it

your other 'non-yolo' reasons are all meh

It's not terrible. Your claim is worthless now. If todsy ends in a mislynch and you are still alive tomorrow your result means nothing because you could be lying scum.

No matter who is here tomorrow it would be a 25% chance of town winning. Each individual town member would jave a 50% chance regsrdless...and both hitting scum would = 25% chance.

Your claim and set up spec and bussing all mean nothing. You are no more cleared than anyone else and suspicions I've raised towards you are not meh.

A competent scum is going to try and push all the confirmation points you've been pushing. Since the first two scum have died you've been inconsistent as hell and willing to do anything...including lying (ex. your self vote) to get another step towards your wincon.

I'm town. Someone hammer Tor.

[havingfitz]

Thor. I'm not scum.

Hypothetically speaking...if Tor is today's lynch and flips town....and you and I were to both make final 3....I would not start the day instantly voting you. I would do due diligence on both remaining possibilities.

Do you buy Tor's claims?
Do you know see the points I've made towards him?
Are you tr'ing him?

[havingfitz]

if I'm tracker, I have 66% chance of getting my vote 100% right if I'm not tracker, I might wanna fake that anyway that isn't the same as 3 players in a f3 where town can vote town first. at any f3, as long as I have my track, or fake that I do, I vote first.

odds of town winning skyrocket.

If you ARE the tracker that is true. If you make it to tomorrow and your “track” survives to f3 (66% chance), Odds town wins are 50%. That’s still worse odds than the 100% mislynch you and Thor are voting right now.

And why give the option of “if I’m not tracker?” Or faking a track? Why is that a consideration you would even put out there for town to entertain? smh…

And what does anyone voting first have to do with anything? It doesn’t. Town and scum can equally vote first in LYLO. A stupid point from someone who likes to discredit the points of others. If you are town you admit you do not know who the last scum is (as proven by your current vote) and if you were to survive to f3…there would be no reason for the other remaining town to believe anything you say as you are not confirmed in any way.

also 'since the first two scum died'... the second scum died last gameday and I may have said 100 times already that I don't know who the other one is.

Your current vote proves this….or that you are scum. Neither of which is an appealing f3 participant.

you pushing a lot of stupid shit is making me feel good about my vote though.

Something scum would say.

My reads have been the same all of this day whereas you have gone from town reading me and clearing me to me being your strongest suspect amongst the pool of players you don’t know who is scum in. Convincing. Push whatever wagon isn’t you. Something no one else alive has done this day I might add.

LOL why am I trying to not get lynched since I'm dying at night anyways???????

why lynch me since I'm dying at night? who cares about WIFOM at f3 if the other option is 3 unconfirmed players? do you understand what you're talking about here?

In the first quote above you lobby for your survival today based on the fact you will bring certain benefits to alive in f3. Yet here you AtE that you are dying tonight anyway.

If it’s such a sure thing you are dying tonight…then why keep you?

Why would scum me give a fcuk about you surviving today when I could have easily hammered Thor and killed you tonight as you say? Resulting in a Chip-Taco-HF f3. Which would be much more appealing than any f3 scenario that has me and Thor alive in it given his read on me. Scum me has no reason to go to f3 with Thor.

And despite your exclamations…if you are town and survive today there is no guarantee you are lynched tonight. Which you seem to believe based on the first quote.

it's frustrating not to be able to figure this out but as far as f5 behaviour goes, I am more suspicious of fitz than anyone else. as far as self preservation he is the one doing the most of it + once I voted him I think he got really scummy.

Poor Tor…can’t figure shit out. Read me town this entire day (despite me being the person he suspects most?) and voted me before I started getting scummy.

Makes perfect opportunistic scum sense.

I don't get the objective logic of lynching him before me

I suspect him more. Is that objective enough for you?

That;s an answer, but I still don't really get excited by the logic that has the two of us as your top scumspects and it doesn't make a lot of sense.

The logic that clears any of the other guys functionally could apply to Tor and myself also - and we also have the benefit of leading better anti-scum pushes on top of it.

Your suspicions feel like you came in and saw Tor and me having our paranoia of each other - and then decided to run with both cases without noting that both were paranoia based cases.

What happened to your firm belief Taco is scum? How has his play today changed your mind on that because that seems to have been where your head was yesterday and at the beginning of today.

Whereas now you see a win being assured with a me lynch followed by a Tor lynch. If I am mislynched today (I am town btw) why would you assume Tor was here tomorrow TO lynch? smh…. Apparently you are not in the Tor is the guaranteed NK camp that Tor is spouting.

1. I do buy Tor's claims in a general sense, and also have noted my own thoughts on why he seems generally less likely scum.

2. I've seen you make lylo based points, which I'll agree are true, but which functionally apply to everyone at this stage. I have not seen a particularly telling point that applies to him, and him alone.

3. Mildly - yes.

1. If Tor’s less likely scum…why is he your forecast lynch for tomorrow if/when I am mislynched?

2. We agree…I speak the truth.

3. So mildly townreading = 2nd most suspect player in the game FYPOV?

[havingfitz]

I, like I presume you, have cleared him more on the revelation that Mulch was scum and his interactions with that slot.

Doesn't seem Mulch's alignment mattered eaely this day when you made these comments:

I pretty much just want to vote Tacos.

Why aren't you guys trying to dig for information?

What information do you think I should be digging for?
Literally the only thing stopping me from voting you right now is that I'd like to see fitz offer up some thoughts.
That's all I've got.

[havingfitz]

Pointing out what I see as an inconsistency in what you are saying in vase my game ends today and you're still here tomorrow. Which since Tor is guaranteed to be the nk (/ssrcasm) seems highly likely.

[havingfitz]

Fcuk!

In CASE!
/SARCASM

[havingfitz]

Good job picking correctly Chip.

Awesome job early game Tor...and not too bad later. I kind of thought you might be town but genuinely did not want to be forced to un-WIFOM you still at f3. Props again to you.

Fun game mod/s. Thanks.

[havingfitz]

Thank you.
They took some liberties, but I think the core truth of the story still shines through.

What movie are you referring to?

[havingfitz]

Thank you.
They took some liberties, but I think the core truth of the story still shines through.

What movie are you referring to?

Thor: Ragnarok.

Yeah...I assumed that after I asked.

Thor's profile says he does something with film so I thought it was legit.