Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Mulch

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Mulch is town 99% of the time but his lynch is just as, if not more, beneficial than a scum lynch.

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He basically just stopped addressing the argument and started talking about lynchinglurkers.

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VOTE: Game Replacement

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VOTE: Assemblerotws
I am literally just going to votehop on anyone orange or below in my list.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Game Replacement

This has more votes. I will continue to vote the largest wagon I am okay with.

[MarioManiac4]

It's pentaball

[MarioManiac4]

You expect me to have a firm commitment on page 114.

[MarioManiac4]

btw this probably makes Mulch town or something

[MarioManiac4]

No one really cared about your posting though because it had a lot more content than Mulch's "vote x for towncred or I vote u" shenanigans.

[MarioManiac4]

Wtf mulch

[MarioManiac4]

@Mod; Are you sure you didn't send 17 players scum Role PMs by accident?

[MarioManiac4]

It's a vt claim

[MarioManiac4]

~here we go~

[MarioManiac4]

He might be lynched though.

[MarioManiac4]

Good luck mulch.

[MarioManiac4]

Mulch's slot flips scum

Calling it

VOTE: KidAmn

[MarioManiac4]

Let's just all vote game replacement and get a free twoday break from this game.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Game Replacement

[MarioManiac4]

GR has done nothing useful. It's not like there are no interactions. I have no interest in pushing deadline because people wanted a wagon on someone active and it didn't work.

[MarioManiac4]

I didn't particularly like think that and I don't think it was something expressed in the thread.

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He wasn't always inactive, though.

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As long as GR has posts and a vote, he will be an influence. And my wincon isn't to lynch for information. Lynches always get information. I want to lynch scum and I don't see a better way to accomplish that than GR vote.

Pedit1: No, the bit about it being hard to keep up.
Pedit2: Because he wad active and did nothing useful.
Pedit3: VOTE: Kidamn

[MarioManiac4]

Why are people lynching a vig claim

[MarioManiac4]

...The vig claim can be proved when there are two nightkills.

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If it's multiball we will know later, see the two kills, and lynch TWIM.
The chances of TWIM being SK over vig are really small, and even if he is I don't really want to lynch SK.

[MarioManiac4]

drunkposting is best posting

second only to shitposting

we lynch tiam here today. the vig claim is horseshit
VOTE: twoinamillion

No.

[MarioManiac4]

Game Replacement
Yumeko Jabami
Mary Saotome
Assemblerotws
KidAmn
^
I think you do this for tonight

Ftfy

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Game Replacement

[MarioManiac4]

100% many scum in the lower activity players.

[MarioManiac4]

GR'svwsgon hopping was p. horrible.
Also we learn info from every lynch.

[MarioManiac4]

>will be over 125 pages
>will be no lynch

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Lol I need to update my unabombah meta

VOTE: KidAmn

[MarioManiac4]

Osuka is also probably scum.
And this is singleball probably.

[MarioManiac4]

Kid Amn today Osuka tomorrow.

agree

Feel like game replacement and mm4 could be scum bussing eachother for towncred

anyone?

that doesn't align with rational logic

pedit: who cares that isn't associative material

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

[MarioManiac4]

Creature you need to stop being so obvious town as town lol.

[MarioManiac4]

dunkerdoodles, kidamn and osuka are probably scum

everyone else can be town

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: osuka

[MarioManiac4]

kidamn is scum because of his terrible stubbornness on the mulch push

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: osuka

[MarioManiac4]

that you don't like it

[MarioManiac4]

The real scum thing is that he voted in the first place tbh.

[MarioManiac4]

Actually traitors being recruited is not normal. Because Unabombah didn't flip as a variant role (with full role pm shown) we 100% know he was not recruit-able.

Not that it matters since TiaM is town but.

[MarioManiac4]

Any of us could be scum.

apart from me

[MarioManiac4]

I knew that.

[MarioManiac4]

see the thing about this situation is that this is how this day is going to go

everyone's going to bash me, then scum will get towncred by jumping on the wagon at some point or another. I'll eventually get mislynched and if the day is just going to be everyone calling me out by association flips, then i'd rather self hammer because that doesn't lead anywhere

self-voting doesn't help this. who is real scum? who is it who i should vote over you?

and when i flip green you'll all realize that 90% of everyone's reads on me are ass-backwards

again this doesn't help

self-voting is just going along with what is the worst-case scenario from your point of view except it's worse because we don't get information w/ your death if you selfvote

[MarioManiac4]

basically it's his stubborn wagon attempts on gerryoat and twim, and when that didn't work, he tried to get a late counterwagon on dave

[MarioManiac4]

also his whole sheeping mulch on my meta thing earlier kinda stank

[MarioManiac4]

Locktown

MarioManiac4, WhyMafia, Flairs, TwoInAMillion

Town

Boonskiies, Theta Alpine, gerryoat, wavemode, Eddie Cane

Conditionally Town

davesaz

Neutral

Yumeko Jabami, Dunkerdoodles, Nero Cain, Mary Saotome

Watchlist

massive

Scum

Assemblerotws, KidAmn, osuka

[MarioManiac4]

If I get to LYLO this game I will reread the game only to realize that 99% of the posts are unhelpful clutter, thus killing my motivation to play and lowering town's win chances.

[MarioManiac4]

everyone up for vigging assemblerotws, having kidamn investigate yumeko, then lynching kidamn?

[MarioManiac4]

So you don't want to lynch Kidamn? Why?

[MarioManiac4]

KidAmn claims investigative- must be town
Twoinamillion claims vig- omg must be scum

[MarioManiac4]

twim can prove he can kill independently from the mafia which makes him either 95% town alone or if it's multiball he is confirmed scum

kidamn ambiguously claimed an investigative. there is no way to prove it, and he is scummy by play.

[MarioManiac4]

okay, your "result" wouldn't help us anyway. you die tomorrow.

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implying i'm wrong

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On D2 I felt like I had a fairly good grasp of the game and now i have no idea apart from

VOTE: KidAmn
i had something like a case d2 but it has slipped my mind i can probably give a refresher if this meets challenge

[MarioManiac4]

Okay so it was that he pushed on Mulch far beyond where it would be reasonable to do so and he was so interested in his life when talking about the investigate

Btw kidamn how did that investigate go

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that's not what the case is but im pretty sure ppl already know that so w/e

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you "going too hard on mulch" is not what it is, no. you speculating his replace out was a "trick" was pretty much total bullshit.
remember that time when i suggested a specific investigate and you were like "im gonna do whatever i want unless you agree to not lynch me" which was a survivalist perspective that id expect from scum claiming an investigative

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UNVOTE:
actually yeah the mafia doctor makes the claim significantly more likely unless someone else claims gunsmith ability

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VOTE: davesaz
wave kidamn and boon is alltown 99% of the time i think

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MarioManiac4
Boonskiies
TwoInAMillion
KidAmn
wavemode
WhyMafia
Flairs

Eddie Cane
Nero Cain
Dunkerdoodles
massive
davesaz
Yumeko Jabami
Mary Soatome
Gerryoat

pedit: serial killers do not have guns.

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if twim is sk mafia can deal with him. we lynch in {massive, davesaz} and investigate the other imo. of course it's not quite as easy as it looks in my graph because i'm not mechanically town or universally townread, but there is still a scumpool we should try to cut down there.

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i think yumeko is town because of unabombah.
gerryoat can live as long as he specifies how many shots he has. as soon as the shots run out, or we're likely in lylo (assume 5 scum), whichever comes first, he claims fully and we decide whether to lynch him or not.
mary can actually die today or tonight or get investigated for all i care. she's not done anything.
eddie could be scum but eh.
nero can be the vig actually, he's ascetic and really his recent posts aren't making me feel good about him. especially since he claimed ascetic d3, which caused us to lose a shot. this is probscum, but it's getting vigged so meh.
dunkerdoodles is outside the immediate death pool pretty much 100% on activity. if he could townpost if he's town that would be excellent.

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if you know gerry is town you should soft it today btw

[MarioManiac4]

@Mario - Did Two say that he'd shoot Nero? Because before he would only listen to whoever Nero wanted him to shoot.

we talk to twim about it, if he still doesn't like it, we can just lynch nero.

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this game is confusing me. someone is lying PR wise. i guess it would be suboptimal to lynch kid today, but i have a gut scumread on him. million wont vig nero, so we need to lynch him.

Fine. We'll lynch him.

VOTE: TwoInAMillion

things that aren't happening episode 1

[MarioManiac4]

Hi I'm caught up can we lynch boon thx
VOTE: Boonskiies

things that aren't happening episode 2

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

yeah sure this can die

[MarioManiac4]

What if both kid and boon r scum
I think tiam said that earlier

1) why lynch boon and not kidamn
2) wavemode confirmed kidamn as town too

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could see gerry vs osuka being svs

VOTE: mariomaniac4

ccc odd night cult mason recruiter

bussy vote

Mario is confscum

again bussing

@mario, we've gone through some. Entertain me for a second here

when i was scum and you were town, you acted different and you were a hard mislynch. That game, you got all your reads ass backwards and ended up flipping cop after a role swap with rc
you and i clicked as players however because of shitposting and stuff so why is it that mulch thinks you're either scum or pr, and I don't think you're giving the same vibes as you were that game at all?

you're null to me right now so i'm asking you to convince me that you're town. can you please make a case for yourself, for me?


pedit: stop playing the victim already please

went from conf scum to null, wonder how that happened

@wallposter: una is obvtown because meta

does seem like buddying tbh but maybe im biased

una is obvtown

if there is a townbloc he should be in it

again

can you give me a reason

Well I could bullshit some reason like his tone was off and he pushed on a weird thing and didn't take entire gamestate into account and he used doubtcast language and he is being selective in what he thinks and he has incosistencies and isn't going with the thread vibe...




OR I could tell you the real reason, gut.

wait fuck

VOTE: Excession

interesting, goes along with mulch even tho he has never stated an exact read on mulch (to this point). no questions, just voted.

can we get a boon wagon going here

VOTE: boonskiies

random but ok

VOTE: osuka

lamist

uh yeah i'm getting tired of this

VOTE: mariomaniac4

woo more bussing

this post is complete garbage especially the part where he grabs a literal rvs vote and paints it as bussing

Feel like game replacement and mm4 could be scum bussing eachother for towncred

anyone?

this had no reasoning and has had no progression since. basically shadethrowing.

also vote on boon is terrible seeing as yes he is basically conftown and he knew beforehand that kidamn was scum if boonskiies was

[MarioManiac4]

Why does boon think the as towncred.

because:
kidamn has claimed an innocent on boonskiies
wavemode has claimed an innocent on kidamn

[MarioManiac4]

wave is ambiguous but he knows kid is town. yes kid is claiming gunsmith.

pedit: How about we put our theories of the last three scum claiming innocents on each other aside for a moment and look at scummy people?

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Yeah, because scum never gambit.

So you're suggesting lynching wavemode correct? I suppose he is the most suspicious to an extent. But Nero Cain and Dunkerdoodles need to go, and we have lurkers. I legitimately can't imagine them all being scum at all. Where is the town power that compensates for this? A vig and a joat against a mafia doctor? And why would a scum do something that risks leaving them so exposed?
We have to focus on the people that don't have very strong reasons to clear them. That means dunkerdoodles, nero cain, massive and davesaz.

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Yeah, because scum never gambit.

So you're suggesting lynching wavemode correct? I suppose he is the most suspicious to an extent. But Nero Cain and Dunkerdoodles need to go, and we have lurkers. I legitimately can't imagine them all being scum at all. Where is the town power that compensates for this? A vig and a joat against a mafia doctor? And why would a scum do something that risks leaving them so exposed?
We have to focus on the people that don't have very strong reasons to clear them. That means dunkerdoodles, nero cain, massive and davesaz.

(And a few other people but those are the ones I'm suspecting the most at the moment. That pool could change though.)

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Yeah, because scum never gambit.

So you're suggesting lynching wavemode correct? I suppose he is the most suspicious to an extent. But Nero Cain and Dunkerdoodles need to go, and we have lurkers. I legitimately can't imagine them all being scum at all. Where is the town power that compensates for this? A vig and a joat against a mafia doctor? And why would a scum do something that risks leaving them so exposed?
We have to focus on the people that don't have very strong reasons to clear them. That means dunkerdoodles, nero cain, massive and davesaz.

I would prefer dave or massive.

That can be arranged.
VOTE: davesaz
What do you think of Dunkerdoodles?

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do you have any reasons for the townlean?

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i actually didn't remember nero telling ppl not to talk to him so now i have to read his posts
wave's inno being claimed as hard and subsequently being soft is meh
the mulch slot is probably not scum- the replace in particular was really town and the mulch slot was generally pretty good w/ the game wagon. he could be scum bussing but if he didn't enjoy the game that's meh. i guess if titus does scummy things i'd consider lynching it but for now i don't want to touch that slot.
i somewhat liked dave's post.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

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i already gave my reasoning.

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Yeah, the longer this day goes on and on, the more sure I am that Dunkerdoodles is the right lynch. 3797 gives my reasoning, but I feel like I need to expand on that more.

1432 is a horrible post all around. In particular; how can 60 be interpreted as a "bussy vote"? It was a RVS vote, probably tied to my mason CC antics. Calling it AI is a stretch, but when you get to the point where you're using it in a case, I don't think Dunker is arguing in good faith there.
"Mario is confscum" in 86, uhhh, really isn't bussy. 316 is the first real post noted, but he's comparing the early read to an actual post here. I could see this coming from disorganized town, but he's not just presenting it as a case; this is the initial thought Dunker gives, the initial analysis of my posting. The only real comment he had on me before this point was calling one of my posts a "scummy post" which isn't really a complaint he only made to me. Calling 954 bussing just makes me more sure that Dunkerdoodles isn't arguing in good faith here, and that he has an outside agenda for 1432.

This position did poke its head again later, only to dissapear when people didn't choose to agree with his read and it has not received any development since, even though MM4!scum has become more popular recently. (It also makes no sense as a position. Considering my attack against TWIM, my lack of leading the GR wagon and GR's push on me being insignificant, if not a joke, it makes literally no sense that we would be "bussing each other for towncred."

His whole position against Boonskiies is horrible too. Like, we have a gunsmith who is soft-cleared who is claiming an innocent on a player with a traitor and a doctor dead. He justifies this by saying "well maybe there's two traitors" which is pretty damn hard to imagine being in a normal game at all. I really don't like his insistence on calling Boon scum, even voting him instead of KA past a gunsmith innocent, with his only justification being that he "doesn't like how much Boon is saying he's conf-town." (He gives some D2 reasoning in 3379 but I feel like judging Boon on his claimed role is a horrendously bad idea as is proved by this game alone. If you want to scumread someone for lying about their role, ok, but...)

Dunkers is welcome to explain this, but I don't think there is any satisfactory explanation.

I've been getting more busy recently and it's getting a lot harder to fully keep up with the game so comments by me might slow down and/or be slightly less perceptive with the current gamestate. I fully agree with Eddie that Mulch's replacement was unlikely to come from scum (as I have said recently) so I really don't want to lynch Titus anytime soon. I do feel like it's safe to say scum have played a part in the flairs wagon, although I disagree that it's necessarily because he's scum or scum have specific utility for him.

Wavemode, KidAmn, Boonskiies and TWIM are my Real TM LockTown. These reads aren't changing anytime soon or in the case of the latter two at all. I had some doubts about WM previously but recently I feel like he's really towned it up here.

Flairs wagon is meh. I've already mentioned my scumgame with her; she basically didn't post ever. It could be a coincidence that she couldn't get into that game in particular for other reasons, but meh. Going from what she did there to what she's done here would be a huge improvement. The wagon is basically a "Whatever, fuck this, let's vote out a lurker" which I can kinda sympathize with because I did that D1 and we hit scum then. I guess that Flairs' turnaround on Nero is iffy, but I want her to be able to explain it before we lynch her, if we do. I'm feeling a lot better about lynching Dunkerdoodles at the moment.

Yumeko Jabami is doing precisely nothing and they haven't done anything for a while, which is getting old. But I feel like some of Unabombah's interactions with them are unlikely to be SvS.

My reads are like this;

MarioManiac4, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, KidAmn, Wavemode

Titus, gerryoat

Yumeko Jabami, Eddie Cane, Nero Cain, Flairs, davesaz

massive, Mary Saotome

Dunkerdoodles

[MarioManiac4]

Because she isn't locktown? I don't want to lynch Titus right now, but that's a lot more subject to change and evaluation than my locktown reads.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm going to trust Boon's townread of Dunker for now

do you disagree with any of the points i've raised?

[MarioManiac4]

Okay so I'm ready to sheep people for the rest of the game.

[MarioManiac4]

I don't know if scum massive tries to make a really obvious counter wagon as scum just seems suicidal I'd really like a Mario wagon
VOTE: Mario

why?

[MarioManiac4]

I haven't seen much I like from you but the huge reason for me is I get a lot of traitor talking to there scum vibes via you and unba interactions.

why are you lynching on "vibes" now? it's day four. you need something way better than that.
most likely unabombah didn't signal; it can hugely backfire and it's hard to find a crumb that mafia will notice and town won't, and knowing that crumb will work.
why are you scumreading davesaz?

[MarioManiac4]

I don't feel like Yumeko pushing me on Ignition comes from a player who is scum with Ignition, and Unabombah pushed on them pretty hard, too. I don't feel like Yumeko is a good lynch. I do, however, think Yumeko needs to do things.

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I sr davesaz because he's in the same list as Flairs was and why I wanted Flairs lynched in the first place. I keep forgetting dave is in the game and I'd need to re read to go look for anything from him

No. You put out a list of people you wanted dead and Flairs was in it, yes. That isn't reasoning, that's a read. What is your reasoning for scumreading davesaz?

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Dave isn't town or scum, he's as close to null as you can get without posting... oh wait.
If that was a list of lurkers, why were wave and I in it?

[MarioManiac4]

To be fair it would be funny if town lost because we comically misinterpreted a Gerryoat result.

[MarioManiac4]

it's not a list of lurkers, it's a list of scummy players.

Pedit: Dave was in the list of "Players who aren't active and are lurking"

pedit: I've contributed plenty; if people aren't taking my posts into consideration, that doesn't make me scum.

[MarioManiac4]

I've actually been influenced by Wavemode more than pretty much anyone else this game.

[MarioManiac4]

And I claimed dayvig.

[MarioManiac4]

I've listened and considered his opinions more than those of pretty much anyone else because they make sense.

[MarioManiac4]

MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

Are we going to sit here and pretend it's even a half-decent play for scum!MM4 to kill Dunkerdoodles here?

[MarioManiac4]

Like I think technically the options are
a) we have a town killing besides TWIM and Dunkers saved someone before
or
b) scum applied a strongman kill to Dunkerdoodles' neck (presumably unlimited shot because uh)

but like the kill makes no sense for anybody so i don't see the point in discussing it. dunkerdoodles was not a decent kill; he would be the target I was using for a mislynch and he wouldn't be taken seriously. Like Dunkerdoodles being alive would not distort the chances of me getting lynched significantly, if at all.

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MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

Are we going to sit here and pretend it's even a half-decent play for scum!MM4 to kill Dunkerdoodles here?

wifom.

"it makes sense for scum!mm4 to kill dunkerdoodles"
"uh actually it doesn't think about it"
"that's wifom"
...

[MarioManiac4]

which kills make sense to discuss for you?

so far, pretty much none of them. which is why i haven't been discussing them.

[MarioManiac4]

MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

Are we going to sit here and pretend it's even a half-decent play for scum!MM4 to kill Dunkerdoodles here?

you didn't kill dunker or bp would've activated. you killed whoever he protected

i'm like 99% sure bp would activate on bodyguard death; i've been in a game with this role before.

[MarioManiac4]

mm4 probably thought in 200 pages no one would notice

I'm kind of insulted by how incredibly stupid you think I am.

[MarioManiac4]

which kills make sense to discuss for you?

so far, pretty much none of them. which is why i haven't been discussing them.

okay well make a list of what its okay and not okay for us to discuss.

It's okay for you to discuss anything and it's also okay for me to say "no, that's not ai" when the things are not ai

if i started discussing whether your lack of avatar was ai would you pretend that it was?

[MarioManiac4]

mm4 probably thought in 200 pages no one would notice

I'm kind of insulted by how incredibly stupid you think I am.

god forbid we insinuate you made a mistake.

That isn't a "mistake" that's ridiculous. Just because there are 200 pages in the game doesn't mean people can't find or remember basic information about who people were pushing and I don't think anyone would actually make that error. Why are you acting offended because I don't think your arguments make any sense?

[MarioManiac4]

mm4 probably thought in 200 pages no one would notice

I'm kind of insulted by how incredibly stupid you think I am.

god forbid we insinuate you made a mistake.

That isn't a "mistake" that's ridiculous. Just because there are 200 pages in the game doesn't mean people can't find or remember basic information about who people were pushing and I don't think anyone would actually make that error. Why are you acting offended because I don't think your arguments make any sense?

I'm not offended. I laid out my argument very clearly.

What's your read list?

MarioManiac4, TwoInAMillion, Boonskiies, KidAmn

Wavemode, skirt skirt, Titus

Yumeko Jabami, gerryoat

davesaz, massive, Mary Saotome

[MarioManiac4]

I would say "don't base your reads off """"traitor signals"""" because a traitor is aligned with the mafia and isn't going to help town win in endgame" but I really don't like dave using the crumb to jump on me. Like I don't see any reason for town to assume "oh yes, he must be crumbing his buddies by crumbing a townie, excellent idea!"

I'm a VT.

[MarioManiac4]

can someone walk me through why unabombah including 2 scum in a list of 3 people means anything? or indeed why we are expecting scum to give us hinds at the scumteam at endgame for neglible benefit? or why he wouldn't just crumb traitor instead of crumbing the entire scumteam?

this whole theory makes zero sense to me.

of course if people are stubbornly holding onto this theory i am a good vig but i would prefer for that to not be the case.

[MarioManiac4]

traitors can't be recruited in normal games unless the role is not normal. as unabombah's role pm didn't flip, we know his role is 100% normal and he couldn't be recruited.
naming 2/3 scum in a list has literally no negative impacts whatsoever.

why can't it be a coincidence?

[MarioManiac4]

well that happened.