Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

[KidAmn]

Gimme a minute to go get a big dirty burger and fries to wake up after the fight and I'll start reading all this balls

Someone gimme cliffnotes

[KidAmn]

UNVOTE: until I've got through it all as well

[KidAmn]

Spoiler: CATCH UP MEGA POST PT1 - TO P20 OR SO I THINK? KINDA LOST TRACK. WARNING: BIG ASS WALL, YUME NIKKI EAT YOUR HEART OUT.

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tee hee!

VOTE: creature

@town Do

NOT

target me. Scum feel free to target me though.

I hardclaim masons with Nero.

VOTE: MarioManiac4

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VOTE: osuka

hardclaim fbi agent

Wait, it's not a joke?

I CC mason.

VOTE: Creature

Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?

It probably wasn't, but I wanted to spend a game for once not scumread

Because I'm smart and therefore everything I do is smart and protown.

Anyway I request that you all sheep me and Nero now that we are confirmed town anyway

Scum mulch is not this self aware this early on. He tries to play cool as scum.

I was very self aware when I was scum with you. What are you talking about?

Nah I disagree.

Nah I disagree.

I'm not usually one to go down this road but could you maybe give examples?

Nah I disagree.

I'm not usually one to go down this road but could you maybe give examples?

Not this late maybe another time. I don't want you to understand your meta anyway or else you'll just adjust.

Bro nobody will ever meta read me. I've never lost as scum in normal games.

nobody will ever meta read me.

That's cause meta is shit like your waifu. This whole little back and forth served almost no purpose other than for you both to bask in how right you are.

VOTE: osuka

hardclaim fbi agent

VOTE: mariomaniac4

ccc odd night cult mason recruiter

Guess I can just ignore this slot as yet another pale imitation of [redacted] then

Why are people pushing Mario?

Why not?

Mmmmk gonna need something a little better than that, RVS isn't an excuse when you have mason claims to play off

Not a fan of early claims, whether fake or not.
No strong opinions on true/fake.

Well that's unusual. I seem to remember you being... well, very opinionated the last time we played together.

I'm not quoting Yumeko's 107 because holy shit that's a lotta words and this is already gonna be longer than Mandingo but hooo boy does it ping me when someone waltzs in and prods at literally everyone who's been active without really committing to anything. Screams "I'M GOODPOSTING HONEST M8"

Holy shit that wallpost makes me want to cry.

Sorry in advance but also not sorry this is an 80 page D1 you all deserve this

I'm hoping this big posts clears it up, basically. So my thoughts are clear.

I hope someone else appreciates the irony of this sentence at the end of a post that basically says "idk about this guy man"

Woo, I am here!

...and now I must go to sleep.

I'll read the thread in ~6hours.

VOTE: MarioManiac4 because last time I followed his lead, we lost the game because I played poorly.

No wait...!

This is bad and you should feel bad

And finally, I do think Ignition's one naked thing on Mario is uncharacteristic and typical newb scum.

I think that if Ignition is scum, Mario is town, though.

They could be better scum than I thought but I don't think they are partners.

This is also bad and a huge leap of faith for anyone who doesn't know who's who

I think UnaBombah is slightly more likely to be scum cause Cloud has replaced out as scum before.

I do not like that you are pushing this angle at all.

Why? It's a valid thing, he's even said he dosen't like scum in the past and he replaced out in the Alchemist game.

Please just go back to saying you have gut reads because this is fucking awful logic
Also please stop posting 3-4 times in a row with 1 sentence in each

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es, meta can be analyzed day 1, yes I am townreading him for blatantly role fishing which is something scum don't do early

, I don't think Mario is scummy for jumping on 2mil, it was sneaky by mario and even if it wasn't it's still scummy, I'm scumreading Ignition based on what I've got on day 1, your fucking hypocritical to saying I have confirmation bias on ignition, he's literally only focused on me scum the entire day so yes he's confident. NO I'm not confident I've said that multiple times and the fact that your trying to blatantly misrepresnt what I am saying is shit, I am saying truth, and idgaf about Cloud doing it multiple times but he's done it once and it's something to keep in midn.

You vote me and your only thing you've said is SCUMMY is "doing things that aren't real to further your read." EVERYTHING else is you saying you disagree, which isn't scummy in the slightest.

Your tone is even fucking saying you disagree and not that it's scummy. Unless you can't see how town!mulch is thinking these thoughts, I';m not scumy.

And I'm not voting you because I think your scum, I could give one fat rat's ass at this point, I'm doing it because I refuse to be treated this way

when I'm actually putting effort into a fucking town game and your already starting some confirmation bias tunnel on me and I Even FUCKING humored you with a detailed eplanatuion into every single one of your points.

WEE OOO WEE OOO

Literally everything that someone has said scum don't do early I have done successfully as scum at one point or another. I have literally claimed a guilty on a buddy and ridden it all the way home before coming to MS. "scum don't do X early" isn't a fact, it's a goddamn challenge

"I'm not voting you because I think you're scum" HMMMM.

VOTE: Yumeko

Disagree.

Your probably right but it's so FRUSTRATING what they are doing to me. It feels so satisfying. Also why don't u scumread that post of UMSC also notiice they haev posted in other games but not this one

This whole interaction feels really goshdarned weird

i'll join in eventually. If you want to quick lynch me, go for it, then analyze my wagon. don't feel like putting the effort in right now to defend. Like, I just got four votes and I hadn't even posted yet. I've only read this page. I'll get to it in a bit.

Who the fuck even posts this on page 7 of D1 like I almost can't believe scum would overreact this hard but godDAMN reel it in

OK Mario is either scum or a power role, this isn't his vanulla townie tone

Today on things no reasonable townie says

Lmaaaaaaooooo
Also Nero I am really feeling this flavor leaf wagon atm. He is too self aware and I don't feel like a villa would be pressed to the point of puedo claiming vt so early?

The longer Mario keeps his vote on me the scummier he is

The irony of calling Flavor Leaf scum for overreacting while overreacting massively to both Yusuke or whatever weeaboo name it is and Mario is not just tangible, it's FUNGIBLE (disclaimer: not entirely 100% sure what fungible means and not going to look it up, it just sounds good.)

i mean the point of me voting him was to get him to post and give content
and he has at least done the former so
VOTE: eddie cane
going down my list of people who have not posted
the other two on that list are peregrinev and zoki77 if anyone wanted to know
though there are a few people who have only stated that they will read up and post later

This kind of post just screams "I'm...

helping

" without actually doing anything useful for the gamestate whatsoever - if they don't post they're gonna get replaced by someone who is gonna post so... yeah

On the plus side, Creature is town.

On the minus side, the rest of you townies need to play like townies instead of dumb gambits and fakeclaims. Make it easy for an old man jeezus.

I am inclined to agree with the content of this post. Especially the last bit, can we slow the fuck down D2 TYVMIA

Nero barely talks in the PT lol

The last time I'm going to ask: is this for real?

Can Nero confirm this one more time?

I even had to double-check the wiki to see that Normal game-Masons are always Town, so if you are, I think I'll just sheep you to victory.

Nero will confirm

Why does the town as a whole keep role fishing me and Nero? Leave us alone.

You can't really rolefish someone who claims on like page 2

That's uh... not how rolefishing works

FOS: Mary Saomote

For defending lurking.

Stop. Just stop. Never post this again. Still waiting for that Nero confirm promised by Mulch.

Lurking is scummy, what's so hard to see about that?

See above (although saying lurking is scummy is also about as AI as lurking so... yeah, just moving on now)

stop having doubts you idiots

Ayyyy there we go, shame it doesn't make me like Mulch's posting any more though

I'm actually going to retract the Mason claim cause I'm starting to scumread Nero lol

Was super confident day 1 and thought we could create masons out of nothing but he's being a bit like large 203 lol

I've learned that Mulch spamposting is actually a scum strategy.

I've learned that Mulch spamposting is actually a scum strategy.

Good thing I'm not spamposting, right?

Presented without further comment

these wall posts r really annoying to read :/

This is a game entirely based around reading, get used to it

Also Yukiko is literally the only person at this point in my readthrough I solidly TR

VOTE: yumeko Jabami

I can only assume at this point you will vote for anyone you think will get wagoned, which funnily enough does not give me good feelings in my happy place about you

And a wagon literally based on "Yoshino wallposts too much stop making me read and make considered responses" is possibly the most damning indictment of how far the standards here have fallen I've seen yet

Fuck me this post is too long already and I'm only 20 pages in

TO BE CONTINUED... AFTER I JAM A COUPLE OF ROUNDS ON PUBG

PEdit:

If either of them is scum it would definitely be Gerry

But it's hard to say even that, since as another person said Gerry is playing this like he always does as town

Gerry as town and Gerry as scum are indistinguishable, since nothing he says ever makes sense as either alignment

[KidAmn]

Spoiler: BIG ASS CATCH UP PT2: BOO-HOO BOOGALOO

Holy shit, can someone tell me if there was anything relevent in post 405, it was making me lose the will to live so I gave up reading it. True Story.

Thank god I wasn't the only one!

The worst part was that I'm the kind of player who can't just let questions be: if I'm posed one, I'll honestly try to explain myself..

My readslist already gave it away, but I think it's time to VOTE: Yumeko Jabami and see if they have anything else to offer, other than walls full of questions.

Excession pocketed me with his one post, that must be a record!

REEE STOP SCUMHUNTING IN A WAY I DON'T LIKE

@wallposter: una is obvtown because meta

Talk to me on this? Can you give a bit more detail without the whole meta

No I can't

You're asking for an explanation of a meta read without the meta. That's textbook stupid, like room temperature iq levels of stupid

I was asking if you could show anything at all that points to them being town I'm not going to blindly trust your word.

you don't have to and I'm not asking you to do so

it's meta. i'm sure you understand how that works and i'm not going to explain it to you

I mean if you're gonna throw yourself on the "it's meta" sword you can usually at least point to some similarities from other games rather then just being like this

But then this is osuka so

Wagon the wallposter osuka lol

I may or may not be taking a shit but I'll count votes and do it when I get back from alleged said activity because I wanna make a relevant comment on it

just kidding i have neither a comment to make nor the willpower to count votes

VOTE: yumeko jabami

Real talk this looks more forced than Trump condemning that dude in the car at Charlottesville

VOTE: Excession

VOTE: Excession

Uh

VOTE: Excession

Actually could see this

While we're on the subject of shit that looks fake af and lends further credence to the fact that Mulch will literally jump on anything

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(That said, Flavor talking about not being an early game person now makes sense and is p. NAI since Boon isn't an early game dude town or scum so... meh?)

intent to join mary wagon

WEE OOO WEE OOO

But for reals this is usually a hard scumtell but I've mentally already sorted osuka into the "about as useful and easy to read as zwetschenwasser was"

i town read everyone until they give me reasons not to. Sometimes I just lock it in harder, though. I don't play that null first. There are more townies than scum in games, so if you town read everyone initially, you generally have a high percentage of correct reads.

60% of the time it works every time

Let's wagon Excession, I have a gut feeling he flips scum

Why not go Excession

"If I keep pushing this lurky dude without ever really presenting a case maybe someone will go for it"

nero
mulch
theta
boon

can we agree these are all town?

Why are you trying to get a universal townbloc together?

You don't build townblocs on D1 with no hard info whatsoever, Nero is right, this was dumb

idk guys. Feeling Mary mislynch even though their technically scummy. dunno how to describe it. I'm really feeling exession flips scum

Flairs your scum right? Talk to me. In Alchemist's game you were so much more confident and this is a crappy point

I still think he's scummy.

I think Flairs hits scum. Who's with me?

I thought Mulch had finally hit on a real target but nope, back to flopping all over the place, wants to know who else will vote Flairs before he will

VOTE: Excession

Kill this with fire, sheep me maties

ok
VOTE: Excession

BOO THESE MEN

alright excession has made two posts, the second of which was significantly longer and most people responded to positively and ended up lynching with him this makes even less sense you all might as well go back to Mary ffs

@Boonskiies oh ok, I'll go check that now

CHEER THIS MAN

Osusa vote excession

can you give me a reason

can you give me a reason

Well I could bullshit some reason like his tone was off and he pushed on a weird thing and didn't take entire gamestate into account and he used doubtcast language and he is being selective in what he thinks and he has incosistencies and isn't going with the thread vibe...




OR I could tell you the real reason, gut.

wait fuck

VOTE: Excession

I'm like 99% sure at minimum one of Mulch/Dunker/Asuka is scum at this point and I would be even without replacing this slot

He scum read Dunker and Mary and the guy that starts with the Y, with a town read on Una, and followed Una. I think Ex should post more, though. He hasn't posted enough where I'd want to lynch him yet.

Aight. Here's the list of people I wouldn't care if we lynched today. Everyone else in this game has some sort of reason to be left alive to deduce later after more information has come into the game.

TwoInAMillion
davesaz
osuka

Excession

Yumeko Jabami
Zoki77

This seems a little self-contradictory

I feel everyone here has some reason to keep the rest of the people alive, if only to read them better. We're a group of players that know each other, and because of that, it's easier to read each other.

My list are people who if town, aren't necessarily better to keep around, and if scum, they're not going to give us enough AI info to allow it to happen.

And that's why your list sucked - "I'm okay if these people are lynched" is tantamount to saying "lynch these people" but you're weaseling your way out of actually putting that weight behind it

Can we compromise on game replacement?

I'm on Page 29 and I'm pretty sure Mulch will have tried to "compromise" on everyone on the player list by the end of it

can we get a boon wagon going here

VOTE: boonskiies

can we get a boon wagon going here

VOTE: boonskiies

yeah, I'm an enabler of some sort, so feel free to do that. I probably enable both town and scum.

VOTE: Boon

we likely have a bunch of protective roles. I'm a bulletproof enabler.

or I could be a serial killer.

lynch me to find out.

actually, I could lynch Nero. I can't read him, so he isn't someone that would hurt to get out of the way now.

Oh okay, Boon is just scum I guess

if there are mafia bp/sk bp then they won't shoot you if you are really a town bp enabler. But I could also kinda see you claim that as scum to explain away why you are still alive.

I mean, yeah. Seems like me. Or I could actually be like a town cop. Also seems like me.

Someone once told said..."Gambit Boon is town boon."

Not quite sure who that was...

do you know?

Yep, I'm feeling this now Mr Krabs

Dunker, Flairs, and Theta will now be known as Boon's Babes, and they are not to be lynched ever.

I mean you

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could

see you do that as scum to try and throw me off.

I'm generally incredibly safe and well thought out with my scum games. And then I make it appear like I'm not sometimes. Sure, I could try to throw you off like that in a large game as scum.

This all just screams gambit + hard buddying onto players of questionable ability (even openly bought Flairs' competency into question earlier) and I really don't like it

Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

MarioManiac4, Creature, UnaBombaH

Candidates For Promotion

Theta Alpine, Dunkerdoodles, Boonskiies, Nero Cain, wavemode, Game Replacement, Mary Soatome

Watchlist For Meaniness

Mulch, osuka, Yumeko Jabami, davesaz, Assemblerotws, Eddie Cane, Zoki77, TwoInAMillion, Flairs

Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

massive, Excession

Your two biggest scum reads at this point were people with 5 and 2 posts by this point in the game respectively? Uh...huh.

Yuzu's #874 is further proof that they might be the only person actually scumhunting this game and I'm sure another wagon popped up on them after this post - let's read on and find out

Game was scumsided as soon as mulch got his role pm

In as much as they can all get towncred for bussing him, sure

Fine with just lynching excession or massive to be honest.

again, two people with literally 6(Massive) and 2(Excession) posts at the time you wrote this.

mulch is scuk

No I'm not, so your either wrong town or scum



I wish people would try to stop reading me. Lots of heroes nowadays who want to give me my first scum loss without realizing that your not gonna catch me if I'm actually scum

WEE OOO WEE OOO
holy shit Mulch, refuge in audacity much

Would lynch osuka tbh

VOTE: Excession

Also I just had a lightbulb moment and flairs is now locktown

Lol excession is actually town

VOTE: massive

*headdesk*

I'll instant lynch Mario if he claims vt,

he's a power role or scum

*headdesk*

Mulch, the excession wagon is pretty much 4 users following you because you told them to vote Excession, your reasoning for lynching being that it's gut, how is that not bad

Mulch, the excession wagon is pretty much 4 users following you because you told them to vote Excession, your reasoning for lynching being that it's gut, how is that not bad

What's wrong with gut?

What if I'm right?

The desk is gone. My forehead has pounded it to dust.

This has been 40 pages of hell and I hate you all already

Which bodes well for the next 50 pages

Kill me

[KidAmn]

VOTE: nero choo choo

It's nearly 10pm here and I've been at work all day so no Part 3 today but god DAMN if this don't stink of desperation

Also why the flip are you chucklefriends letting MULCH veto lynches

[KidAmn]

I've had a really shitty day so y'all are gonna have to wait a day while I engage in unhealthy coping mechanisms for me to get catching up back on track

I don't really feel like I'm in a position to make a call without having read the last 60 pages but also I just want to say a big eff you to everyone responsible for making this day 100 pages

VOTE: Mulch because I've seen enough shitty stuff in the first 40 pages for me to 100% not want them anywhere near D2 let alone endgame

goodnight

[KidAmn]

That implies I was talking about the nature of your posting and not the content

[KidAmn]

Specifically gerry, who seems to be pushing on it the hardest.

how am i pushing it the hardest lol

Oh jeez sorry forget what I said 99 and 100 both exist

Mulch, are you still scumreading Excession (or whoever their replacement ending being?)

Good to know people are reading my catchup posts

FYI: IT ME

[KidAmn]

Mulch's recent stupidly aggressive posturing and constant town/scumreads with little to nothing to back them up after 100 pages, plus their constant flip-flops,should be screaming scum for anyone vaguely competent. Lynch that scum now.

[KidAmn]

Have you ever played a game with me?

Nope, and even if I had, I don't fuck around with meta because any moron can play to their meta if they have two braincells to rub together.

You've spent most of today flailing around looking for any lynch you think you can get traction on, and what's even more depressing is that 1/3rd of these...

lovely people

have actually been listening to you

[KidAmn]

Feeling like KidAmn is town for now.

Dunno, his vanity vote on lynchbait Mulch is scum 101

I'll consolidate if we reach last day with no real consensus, because the only thing worse than lynching town is no lynch at all

But I'm pretty damn sure you're scum so it's not really a "vanity vote" thing so much as a "why are people listening to this guy and following him as he points fingers at any semi-viable lynch target without any reasoning" thing

but hey, feel free to just keep BS-ing away, why stop after 10 good posts worth of content in 400 actual posts

[KidAmn]

What content have you provided kid

I mean, I've posted two reasonably lengthy catchups and I'm doing my best to engage with the game while continuing to read...

Why am I scum?

...but since the man who flails more than a wacky waving inflatable arm man wants to go I guess we're putting that shit on hiatus while I bang this shit the fuck OUT, let's go, El-P! Huh? Champ!

First off I think I've made my feelings about the whole mason shit perfectly clear (and Nero can catch some hell for that equally)

Alright. So probably some of you are wondering where I'm going with all these questions to Mario.

Well, first off I sort of gut scum him due to his first couple of posts. Obviously that's not super accurate but from what I've played with him he's pretty free flowing and active and he seemed to get too serious too quickly for me. I mean, yeah, in general that's equal equity to both scum and town but it just seemed unusual for him.

Then he sort of says 2mil is scum. The thing is, 2mil is lynchbait as town which dosen;t exactly MAKE him town but honestly when I had read him I read it as town through meta, which yeah Mario woulden't have known but still. Mario pushing him for it (however jokingly) COULD come from town that dosen't really know 2million but could ALSO come from scum who want an easy target. So, yeah, something to keep in mind that ringed my alarm bells. I also sort of townread him with his brutally honest way of role fishing of me, which I'm like 99% sure that newb scum are worried about being accused of and is really inquisitive town. So EVEN if Mario is saying his dayvig comment in 39 is a joke (which dosen't exactly seem like a joke to me?), it's still weird.

Honestly 83 from Mario is pretty horrible too. He basically is subtly saying "when I'm town I am lynchbait." The thing is, town are much more likely in my experience to just say it openly, yeah I get lynched a lot as town. Even then, they get accused, which is why scum sorta want to try and avoid it. But Mario's comment there has the EFFECT of saying he is lynchbait without the acceptance of the consequences of scummyness he would get if he said it openly. So yeah, a pretty generally scummy thing there.

He also starts out with 2 townreads which one of them I can easily see (creature), who already is getting involved and seems towny at least by gut, but then ignition. Ignition for me maybe I'm having a different reflection cause I've played with him on mafia universe, had an uncharacteristically weak opening by just asking "why is Mario being wagoned?". Not only is this weird for him (which I can't fault Mario for) but it's a super super super typical newb scum opening, so from mario PoV I cannot for the life of me how he sees this as town or newbtown even. Like, if your scum and a town is being wagoned just asking why he's being wagoned is a way for you to get "towncred" without taking heat. Mario's an experienced player, he should pick up on this.

On the other hand, I do find it a little bit TOO scummy to be scum to openly townread those that are townreading you, but that's only a small plus in Mario's direction.

Let's go through 90. I want to know why he townreads Ignition who was actually the second scummiest imo in the thread so far to Mario. He says to

why

he is town, says 2 things: 1) He's being inquisitive, which is a surface level reasoning that COULD come from town!Mario but again I'm outlining in the stuff before why it's sort of weird for him to say that, and then 2) "less likely to be scum than most other things in the thread"


Now, at this point I'm wondering, what exactly are the things "other" in the thread that are so scummy that they make ignition look towny on comparison?

Mario then uses circular logic, which again isn't neccecarily scummy but just something weird, where he basically goes on a loop of saying that other things were scummy BEACUSE ignition's post is towny...as some way of expaining that ignition's post is towny in the first place. See the problem here?


Another thing: He is super confident I'm scum this game, (92) based on 88 by him. Now, I am actually townreading the fact he picked up on it, because imo saying you mindmeld or anti mindmeld is something town and scum do, but it's definitely not something ONLY scum do. And I'll be a little LAMIST here and say that it IS something town do because I'm town That's why the level of confidence he's expressing in his scumread of me is weird. He's super sure, and he's voting me, based on one post that I actually think makes sense? If I disagree with his first gut reactions, less likely we are on the same team. To put it simply.


Here's the thing. Even after all these things, I'm not sure Mario is scum. I can see bewildered town who just wanted to get into things early, thinks I'm scum for pushing bullshit on him (which, to be fair, if he really is town he could think I'm scum trying to make a fancy case), and honestly in my experience it's a common mistake for town to have to townread those that question his wagon. (More specifically, I think it's a town POV to townread those that question your wagon because you know the wagon is bad because your town). But shoulden't Mario at least see where I am coming from here? It's super hard but I consider him a good quality player that might be able to avoid confirmation bias, especially cause he just finished a game where he TvT attacked someone until the end. Shoulden't he realize that I have a towny mindset right now?

I'm hoping this big posts clears it up, basically. So my thoughts are clear.

This whole post is fake af:

Like, if your scum and a town is being wagoned just asking why he's being wagoned is a way for you to get "towncred" without taking heat. Mario's an experienced player, he should pick up on this. On the other hand, I do find it a little bit TOO scummy to be scum to openly townread those that are townreading you, but that's only a small plus in Mario's direction.

So EVEN if Mario is saying his dayvig comment in 39 is a joke (which dosen't exactly seem like a joke to me?), it's still weird.

It's super hard but I consider him a good quality player that might be able to avoid confirmation bias, especially cause he just finished a game where he TvT attacked someone until the end. Shoulden't he realize that I have a towny mindset right now?

It doesn't read like scumhunting, it reads like "gosh Mario if you just do what I expect you to you'd be so much more town" and the whole post is hedged in the opener

Well, first off I sort of gut scum him due to his first couple of posts.

And the closer

Here's the thing. Even after all these things, I'm not sure Mario is scum.

It's a lot of noise and a lot of what looks like the current average MafiaScum player to be "GOOD POSTING" but it's saying fuck all and it's more commitment-phobic than I was at university

VOTE: Yumeko

I'm not putting the most effort I've ever put into a town game and getting tunneled like this when half the things you are telling me is that you disagree rather than it's scummy.

Unless you unvote, I am vote parking this for the entire game.

Ironically, Yabba-dabba-doo has done more actual scum-hunting at this point than anyone else in the game just by virtue of actually asking questions that require more thought than scratching one's arse, but hey, this is MS 2017 so naturally that later becomes a wagon on Youre-a-baka

This begins the biggest event of the year Mulch Flails Done Quick

VOTE: IgnitionUMSC

VOTE: Yumeko

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

They are actually super long this game but yeah I'll shut up

VOTE: mario

Your basing a scumread over a fact i didn't tell you on one of my first games on the site?

VOTE: massive

mulch if i sheep you will you townread me?

I'll townread you anyway, mason partner!

VOTE: IgnitionUSC

VOTE: yumeko Jabami

VOTE: Excession

Uh

VOTE: Excession

Actually could see this

VOTE: Excession

I'll instant lynch Mario if he claims vt, he's a power role or scum

Until he settles on Excession because never mind all those other people he was voting, this guy with 2 posts is clearly THE ONE

Except if he isn't

can you give me a reason

Well I could bullshit some reason like his tone was off and he pushed on a weird thing and didn't take entire gamestate into account and he used doubtcast language and he is being selective in what he thinks and he has incosistencies and isn't going with the thread vibe...

OR I could tell you the real reason, gut.

Can we compromise on game replacement?

mulch is scuk

No I'm not, so your either wrong town or scum

I wish people would try to stop reading me. Lots of heroes nowadays who want to give me my first scum loss without realizing that your not gonna catch me if I'm actually scum

You wish people would try and stop reading you? This is a mafia game, everyone gets read.

My town read on you has evaporated, you haven't been playing like your used to. Are you scum?

There is literally no reason for town on D1 to take this kind of hyper-aggressive "with me or against me" line, and Mulch changes his opinion of TIAM completely on a dime right fucking here when he starts questioning Mulch's BS "lol don't read me u bads" shit

How can I case someone with 2 posts???

Presumably the same way you've spent most of the day demanding everyone sheep you and pointing fingers at anyone who questions you: with a giant pair of brass balls. To have the guts to complain about being called on your complete lack of case against Excession... by saying there's no way anyone could have a case on Excession, then continuing to push for an Excession lynch... it's truly impressive. Also scummy as fuck.

I have this inexplicable soulread that resonates in my bones that says they are scum

465 seems over confident, agendaey, and it's like he wants to be townread

I have a meta read! Wait, no I don't, I have totally read this wallpost (but Mulch doesn't read wallposts, remember?) and I have... nope, still just a gut read, but I'm expanding on it to make it sound more!

Lmaaaaaaooooo if I was scum you think I would be MISGUIDED. Please

The whole day is full of these little snarky comments about how if Mulch were scum they'd be so perfect and nobody will ever catch them. Methinks sir doth protest too much, TBH

Guys do you trust me? Town mulch usually has very very very good reads.

Just constant "trust me u guise trust me"

If we lynch Excession and they flip town I will restrict myself to 100 posts day 2, also will sheep a player

"oh sheep me pls I will sheep back honest" spoilers, this won't happen even if you give Mulch what they want because they're scum and they're going to keep shitposting and REEEE UR SCUM TRUST MY GUT OR ELSE-ing until everyone caves with 250 pages at the end of D2 and submits out of sheer boredom (at which point Mulch presumably starts crowing about what a great Mafia player they are in the same way a guy who can pull the trigger on a heavy machine gun will brag that eventually a bullet ricocheted and hit the target)

I could honestly go on and on about how Mulch continues to just yell about how everyone should sheep them but tbh I'm tired and want to go watch a movie before bed so I'm just gonna drop this fat deuce here and say Mulch is dissembling, over-confident scum who has bounced back and forth on about 8 different targets they have either voted for or shown support for a lynch of, has made a bunch of posts that make zero sense coming from a town mindset, and is a way better lynch than any of this compromise bullshit

I get that everyone is fucking tired after a 100 page D1. Everyone just wants to pull the trigger, lynch

something

and get it over with. Mulch is the one who's responsible for this by spamming and refusing to consider they might be wrong about *anything* unless they change their mind - which they have done, on a dime, multiple times.

# VOTE: Mulch

PEdit: or you could all jump off a cliff following him, I guess

[KidAmn]

Mulch's slot flips scum

Calling it

[KidAmn]

Honestly, it sucks, but if Mulch replaces, I am never going to lynch that slot after today and will treat it as locktown. If it's scum, then the games compromised. Hell, with me considering it locktown, the game is already compromised.

There are a lot of terms not considered acceptable on this site that I would to use to describe how silly this statement is, unless this is a hilarious scum gambit.

Lurker lynch is as silly as it was when people were proposing to lynch Excession 60 pages ago. Get the slot replaced so you can actually read it.

With all respect to Mulch, HTFU. It's a game on the Internet. You don't have to look at it all day if you don't want to, and at some point you need to put on some adult pants and learn to take criticism.

[KidAmn]

@Kid - go back and look. I fucking faught the Excession lynch a lot.

I wasn't saying you didnt? That was not a laser guided "hey Boon eff you" that was "lurker lynch checks are fuckin dumb full stop"

I've been policy lynched more times than you can imagine, trust me I'm not replacing out cause of votes lol

Literally not the point I'm making but hey, if I'm right, congrats on using a trick that'll only ever work this once.

[KidAmn]

My vote is fine, thanks. If we're at hours left and we need to crunch, I'll put it where it "has" to be, but right now, it's where I want it.

[KidAmn]

if any person doesn't vote gr I'm their next post they are scum claiming

Posting just to spite this bloody nonsense tbh.

[KidAmn]

dunkerdoodles, kidamn and osuka are probably scum

everyone else can be town

Agreed on Osuka, but really would love to know where this whole "ree Kid scum" thing is coming from

Actually... Hold that thought, gotta have a quick chinwag with god

[KidAmn]

I mean, I don't really have much of a defence to a complete lack of a case on me, other than the fact I didn't vote Game Replacement because... I hadn't read far up enough through the game to understand why, and I wasn't around for the quick progression at the end of the lynch, I guess? Or people don't like the fact that Excession was so non-existent as to get replaced by me? So yeah, if you really want to, go ahead I guess. I'm not gonna defend myself against next to nothing, and town is far enough ahead that I'm confident people will look closely at my wagon. Just slow your roll towards the end so I have a chance to chime in, although I doubt it'll stand up to such excellent cases as "Vote: KidAmn" and "this flips red".

[KidAmn]

Una's interactions with excession smell of TvS, actually

Gosh, that was quick.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Game Replacement

How about this one

Also can you talk to me on why I'm sr I just feel votes got placed on me at random from what I remember.
Pedit: Anything can be used to ml someone I don't sr oraska but that line wasn't great

Who the fuck is this?

VOTE: Mary

In all honesty, I'm already feeling my townblock shaking.

Mario-Mulch-osuka was the trio where I felt confident having 0-1 scum.
Now I'm paranoid about both Mario and osuka.

Mario mainly because I feel like he is "weirdly" defending the one player that I'm most suspicious about.
Osuka because I townread him so heavily and couldn't pinpoint why, and now he is getting pressure from my townleans/-reads.

I just don't think either makes a good D1-lynch.

Emphasis mine

[KidAmn]

I have my suspicions about the early attempt to wagon me. Not gonna say any more than that right now.

[KidAmn]

WhyMafia and Gerry may be able to read me correctly.

I'm still reading up but I just want to say this made me literally laugh into my coffee, so thanks Boon

[KidAmn]

Oh, I see I'm in the vig pool. If you do shoot me, look at Nero. I wasn't kidding when I said I couldn't get a reading on him.

VOTE: osuka

[KidAmn]

do you realise you just hammered?

Of course. Hence revealing what little info I have before anything happens tonight.

[KidAmn]

Oh, I see I'm in the vig pool. If you do shoot me, look at Nero. I wasn't kidding when I said I couldn't get a reading on him.

VOTE: osuka

And before its brought up, this is what I had to clarify with the mod: no result =\= a negative result. So something was fucky there.

[KidAmn]

I am claiming an investigative role that received a result that was confirmed to be outside of the typical Yes/No I should expect.

[KidAmn]

Why did you investigate me?

Because I can't read you for shit and I'm well aware of it.

everyone up for vigging assemblerotws, having kidamn investigate yumeko, then lynching kidamn?

"do this and then we'll lynch you anyway" yeah nah fam, not about that life. There are no strings on me, least of all in the hands of someone who keeps yelling I must be scum with fuck all behind it.

[KidAmn]

okay, your "result" wouldn't help us anyway. you die tomorrow.

*pat pat* It's okay, I remember what it was like to scream impotently at the universe in sheer terror of your own mediocrity.

Don't worry champ, puberty will all be over soon.

[KidAmn]

On D2 I felt like I had a fairly good grasp of the game and now i have no idea apart from

VOTE: KidAmn
i had something like a case d2 but it has slipped my mind i can probably give a refresher if this meets challenge

"i totes had a case, honest, and I'll go back and make it up if nobody wants this!"

[KidAmn]

Okay so it was that he pushed on Mulch far beyond where it would be reasonable to do so and he was so interested in his life when talking about the investigate

Btw kidamn how did that investigate go

VOTE: kid
its prob scum

Whatever Boon is, he ain't got a gun

Now let's maybe go back and look at the whole "no result" on Nero thing

VOTE: Nero Cain

[KidAmn]

Just to be clear Btw - the entire case on me is "uh he went too hard on Mulch and when people put him in the vig pool he outed his result because that's totally not a sensible thing to do especially when the result was fucky"

[KidAmn]

Okay so it was that he pushed on Mulch far beyond where it would be reasonable to do so and he was so interested in his life when talking about the investigate

Btw kidamn how did that investigate go

"That's not what the case was"

Lolk

[KidAmn]

UNVOTE:
actually yeah the mafia doctor makes the claim significantly more likely unless someone else claims gunsmith ability

I believe as gunsmith, I also was a good choice to target.

Guess this confirms that I'm just bulletproof and not a cop/SK.

I'm far from 100% on you tbh, and it's not inconceivable that SK wouldn't ping for Gunsmith. I'm satisfied you're not mafia for now, and that'll have to do.
Just waiting to hear Nero's explanation now tbh.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Boon

let's lynch someone that I actually scumread today.

Boon/wave/gerry/cane are acceptable lynches today.

i missed this inno on Boon

ok found it

Whatever Boon is, he ain't got a gun

like this means he's not mafia and not a cop. He could still be a 3rd party as I really don't think his play makes any sense as town.

VOTE: Wave

Do you have any explanation for the fact I received a "no result" on you N1, which has been confirmed as separate from "Has a gun/does not have a gun"?

[KidAmn]

I mean, you and Wave and Gerry keep calling me "scummy" but none of you can actually present a good argument.

annoying is a legitimate scum tell I have about 75% accuracy with (3/4). I stopped pushing your lynch d1 cause I didn't like who was buying. you have been pseudo guiltied tho so let's start with that

If annoying was a legitimate scumtell 90% of players registered on this site after 2016 would be policy lynched D1 due to their habit of taking 4 1-sentence posts to say what could have been said in one, 1-paragraph post... or in some cases, taking 6 posts to say nothing at all. So uh, let's focus on the weird result/lack thereof.

PEdit: Huh. Well, that's different. Explains the refusal to instantly crossvote I suppose, but it's something scum could easily hide behind.

[KidAmn]

Explains the refusal to instantly crossvote I suppose, but it's something scum could easily hide behind

Well, I'm a proven ascetic. I mean I guess you could be like "oh Nero is a scum ascetic that didn't cross vote me so he's just doing the townie thing to do."

"proven ascetic" - Isn't the point of ascetic that it's only proven by a flip? For all we know you could be a Godfather or something else that F's with results.

[KidAmn]

UNVOTE:
Gerry needs to spill the beans, TIAM needs to get in here... as does everyone else, tbh. Nero needs to die well before LYLO/MYLO though.

[KidAmn]

I keep seeing this "Kid is for sure scum" thing with fuck-all behind it and I'm frankly getting a liiiiiittle tired of it

And by "a little tired of it" I mean "wondering when this place turned into fuckin EpicMafia"

[KidAmn]

I don't think we care if scum are "a little tired" of being read as scum.

With all due respect, you and a few other people can go bloody swivel. "REEEE UR SCUM" is about as close to playing Mafia as your mother is to Scarlett Johansson and the only reason I'm not replacing out of this game is out of respect to the moderator.

[KidAmn]

Well my real name is steve johannson so there's that, and replacing out(or threatening to replace out) for being scumread is ate. It's your job to convince us, not the other way around.

I was gonna write a huge tirade but you're not fucking worth it and neither is half this playerbase

Explain how a hypothetical Kid-as-scum would know exactly who to pick out for a claimed "no result" that perfectly lines up with Nero's self-professed Ascetic claim

Unless you've decided that "scum-gunsmith" is the bloody stupid hill you want to plant your flag and die on

[KidAmn]

Fuck it I will soft

TIAM your "For Sure Scum" is disastrous

Kidamn is conftown fmpov

That means Boon definitely does not have a gun, unless kid is lying about his result for some reason

If you're super paranoid of those two you should actually just vig me tonight and I guarantee you my flip will confirm those two as town

Also this is stupid

[KidAmn]

legit question kid. What did you think I was saying in my first post?

I paid it about as much heed as any other first post during RVS that isn't an explicit miller/similar role claim. It was a weird post, you're difficult to sort, I wanted to get something concrete on you.

[KidAmn]

Mm, you are correct on that front.

I think Kid should target Two then tonight. If Two kills Kid, we kill him tomorrow.

This is a fine and dandy plan, but now we have the problem of having to actually scumhunt today.

[KidAmn]

Hi I'm caught up can we lynch boon thx
VOTE: Boonskiies

I'm fucking conf town, Dunker. I got inno'd.

Scum claiming here.

VOTE: Dunker

That's actually a scum claim. He said he's caught up.

Why does boon think the as towncred.

because:
kidamn has claimed an innocent on boonskiies
wavemode has claimed an innocent on kidamn

I feel like I need to really fucking hammer this shit home because clearly some people aren't cognisant of it

No gun =/= innocent

Does it slant me towards town on Boon? Yes, absolutely. Do I think he's a good lynch today? No. Does it 100% confirm him? Hell no.

TIAM is doing absolutely zero to make me believe he's anything pro-town atm, especially since he's missed out that Nero would have to be in on this whole 3 way gambit as well for me to know he would be Ascetic and call out a very specific lack of result and for Nero to not just go "lol no nice try scum"

We still have a few people yet to properly chime in and we need to hear from them before we go any further, we're still not in a precarious position here and there's a reasonable chance that a solid town-bloc can be established around the near-conf trio of PRs

Also, how many days do we have to demand actions from Gerry and threaten to lynch him before we actually call his bluff and go through with it because town!Gerry should 100% recognise me right now

[KidAmn]

VOTE: TwoInAMillion

Explain.

[KidAmn]

It's pretty simple my dude, you work with the town, or we have to start questioning if you're a Vig or an SK

You're right, you're not on a leash, you're on a goddamn choke chain and so are the rest of us unless you fancy just handing game over to scum

[KidAmn]

Boon, TIAM: compromise? I'll gun-check TIAM. This way we know if we're dealing with an SK or a Vig, in which case we can answer that question tomorrow.

In exchange, TIAM, you agree to shoot within the pool earlier defined, and if you come up as a gun-holding vigilante, we can go from there.

Nero probably shouldn't be the lynch today but honestly should know that he can't live to MYLO. It's just not workable.

Gerry is consistently refusing to out targets and for some reason, despite playing several town games with me, doesn't know the difference between angry town Kid (I write some excellent ragewalls, check them out some time) and scum!Kid which is worrying me and we still have a lot of very quiet people, so let's
UNVOTE: for now, and maybe look at our giant pool of lurkers who are letting this shitfest rumble on, while we're here?

[KidAmn]

I am of the belief that we could and should be hunting scum today rather than rushing to string up Nero (although Nero does have to go down at some point, unfortunately, because there is literally no way to clear them). There are probably 1-2 scum amongst our lurkers, though.

PEdit: I would feel a lot more secure with a promise, but one way or another we find out what you are tomorrow. You shooting within that vigpool with some certainty would be in your favour if I were to mysteriously turn up dead tomorrow, too, so I would hope you would recognise limiting yourself to that pool is the sensible choice.

[KidAmn]

I love how any time I try and mend some fences, Boon tries to act more like a jerk.

Why would you lynch me if I hit scum?

How about you

both

cool your jets a little. We're all working towards the same goal here, right? So let's act like it (and yes, I am aware I have contributed a certain amount to some bad feelings earlier)

PEdit: If Boon is scum, I'm almost certainly scum, and that means Wave's softed inno on me is fake and he's also likely scum. For what you posit to be true we would have to be making a massive gambit with almost zero chance of working.

PEdit 2: Electric Boonskii-aloo: If people are really committed to the Nero lynch, then so be it, but yeah, at least let's not rush at it.

[KidAmn]

Oh boy.

[KidAmn]

That's two things in a row we've agreed on, steady Eddie.

[KidAmn]

Needs to be lynched? Yeah, most likely.
Today? Ehhhh...

[KidAmn]

I'm not saying hard no, but I'm not saying we need to windmill slam it yet.

[KidAmn]

As it stands, I am highly against the list of targets that was proposed

Targets for what?

Vig pool for TwoInAMillion, who may be a Vig or may be an SK.

[KidAmn]

nero is x42r525453245 times worse than flairs

Your opinions are irrelevant until you start providing the info that has been requested several hundred times across the last 2 days

[KidAmn]

Feels like Mary really wants a bunch of towncred off Nero

[KidAmn]

I'm not willing to consider a Nero lynch today. This whole situation has brought a few worms out of the woodwork that merit looking at. Will go into when home.

[KidAmn]

Anyone still calling the Titus/Mulch slot locktown at this point needs to severely re-evaluate.

[KidAmn]

I think you are scum hiding behind Gerry. I'm not asking you your reads, I'm asking you if that was your lone takeaway. It's a simple yes or no question. I doubt you "misread" so I'm just going to assume that was an intentional misrep and I think that's scum.

Though TBF, I'd expect alot more from a town Titus.

Yeah, and it's not my lone takeaway, nor have I done everything I want to do. Your question was answered. I got VCA and other things.

You expected more of me in Civ mafia and were a big reason I gave up. You and Math "expect more" after I nail the scumteam. So you can back away from that expect more or hiding nonsense and engage what I say rather than framing it.

Is Mario town to you based on his play?

Civ Mafia as a benchmark for play on either side is a poor choice.

That game wasn't town v scum, that game was sanity vs. desire to win. And we all lost.

[KidAmn]

Mary I will follow you

VOTE: Flairs

Substantial and valid input, especially compared to your big pushes early game.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

[KidAmn]

Apologies for not going into every aspect of my personal life for your edification, my liege. Currently at a conference in Hamburg, flying back to London tonight.

[KidAmn]

Yeah, not feeling this Nero counter.

Either a) Nero's scum or b) he provides a benefit to them. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother wagoning flairs at all.

I want KidAmn or Nero.

Come back when you've read the game and aren't scum.

So never and never.

[KidAmn]

Two has a gun. So, yknow, they're not Sk, at least.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami[/unvote]

Was happy with this yesterday, happy with it today. Gerry is also an option for the reasons stated above.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

[KidAmn]

I haven't seen much I like from you but the huge reason for me is I get a lot of traitor talking to there scum vibes via you and unba interactions.

Uh...
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor
"A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team

identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists

"

So how exactly did Mario know Una was (hypothetically) their Traitor?

Also, let's talk about how Mary's readslist has two unconfirmed players and Gerry"Lol I Don't Need To Give Results After 4 Nights Of Operating Untouched"oat on the same level as TIAM, Boon + myself

...because that's some horseshit, if y'all haven't already realised

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mary Saotome

[KidAmn]

I think that isodive on Una is great work, but it's only 2/3 right. Una tossed in a random player (me) who would genuinely be someone who hadn't been in a game with her.
I also think we're looking at a SK or even another team.
VOTE: MarioManiac4

VOTE: davesaz

[KidAmn]

nah, we decided to scrap that cause time

If we're scrapping it then I'm not claiming... why should I?

sigh, have you not read the last couple pages? we are mass claiming, just not popcorning, because it is unnecessary, and you explciitly are who i'm interested in because you clearly have investigative results

No, I only have the one

One-shot rolecop, I'm assuming from them claiming a "soft into" on me.

[KidAmn]

Scums gotta go somewhere. I only intend to vote KidAmn and YJ.

KidAmn can visit me tonight and clear me if he wants. Or he can continue trying to pick his lylo. Matters not to me.

...I'm not sure if you're stupid or you're scum who's happy for me to visit them now that you know there's not a BG around.

Given prior interactions, it could well be both.

[KidAmn]

Titus doesn't have a gun. I'm not calling that a clear at this point, but that's the result I got.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

[KidAmn]

This is the proper day actions

1.) We lynch Massive
2.) We have Vig kill Mary
3.) We have Jailkeeper jail skirt skirt
4.) We have Kid check Yumeko.

Do all 3 parties involved agree to this: twomillion, Kid, Yumeko?

I've not been sure about Yumeko for a while so this was the action I intended to take regardless.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Yumeko

Still kidamn and yumeko.

Scum still didn't even try to shoot kidamn or block him. There's your give away.

I'm seriously confused as to how you reach this. With Wave claiming backup gunsmith, how do you reconcile that with me as scum AND Yumeko as scum? Pretty sure backups of different alignments are heavily non-normal.

[KidAmn]

Like, don't get me wrong, Yumeko is still shifty as fuck, but we're in a position where we can chip this down comfortably now and Titus wants to be the one sitting there obstructing everything? Shit's weird, yo. Not that Titus has ever struck me as particularly competent, mind, but this is an extra level of hurf blurf.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: massive

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Yumeko

Still kidamn and yumeko.

Scum still didn't even try to shoot kidamn or block him. There's your give away.

I'm seriously confused as to how you reach this. With Wave claiming backup gunsmith, how do you reconcile that with me as scum AND Yumeko as scum? Pretty sure backups of different alignments are heavily non-normal.

There's an open setup with backups different.

Second, you aren't required scum.

You just likely are due to common sense.

Third, Yumeko is a group suspect, so why does it matter if you're truly flexible.

Because I've literally given all the scum "no gun" results, right? Because I've refused to follow targets the town has proposed, right? Because the hypothetical team of me and Yumeko makes so much sense, right?

Get out. Seriously, get out, go back to the Newbie queue, because you've made about as much sense this game as Mathblade usually does.

[KidAmn]

I'm not against a Mary lynch. TBH, I'm not against anyone who isn't hard cleared at this point.

[KidAmn]

v0v

[KidAmn]

Mary is likely to be my target.

[KidAmn]

Mary doesn't have a gun.

VOTE: gerryoat

[KidAmn]

Not impossible there's a godfather. Also not impossible Yumeko is lying.
UNVOTE: Don't do anything hasty.

[KidAmn]

I'm not mentally in a place to play Mafia right now. Taking a personal day, please for the love of god don't listen to gerry or Titus.

[KidAmn]

No lynching is not really a particularly smart option and Gerry should honestly be ashamed for trying to push it

[KidAmn]

I'm like 90% sure it's one of Eddie and Gerry and I have no idea who (the other 10% being Yumeko who is getting checked tonight regardless)

[KidAmn]

You also haven't been cleared IIRC

Not hard to have good grasp on the game from certain positions

[KidAmn]

I apologise for forcing you to spend time away from your natural home on /r/iamverysmart.

[KidAmn]

Nope

[KidAmn]

can you do so

I mean it reads like If I Did It by OJ and a pile of wifom but k

Realistically all we have to do is lynch the Gerry/skirt/Yumeko pile and check/jail (if Yumeko is telling the true true) whoever we don't lynch tonight

So lynching Yumeko should be off the table for now which leaves us at gerry/skirt and I'm willing to believe my distaste for skirt as a person might be clouding judgement slightly more than my distaste for gerry as a mafia player

So what I'm basically saying is I'm willing to lynch either of you but kinda prefer gerry rn

Teal deer: VOTE: gerryoat

[KidAmn]

In summary: Yumeko jails skirt I check Yumeko, if I die something fucky went down and it's up to town to figure it out because the above shouldn't ever result in a PR dying unless my gs results have gone horribly awry

[KidAmn]

FUCK. I was maf. Gg. I played bad towards the end. I should have just killed gs

Haha holy shit are you 5 real

[KidAmn]

"hey that investigative is slowly clearing everyone but me... Eh, it's probably nothing"

Holy shit gerry if you're not memeing me... My fuckin sides

[KidAmn]

So

Uh

[KidAmn]

Congrats on stumbling through via sheer blind luck and a wonky setup I guess