Open 695: Making Friends and Enemies [Mafia Win!]
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Also by the way, does this site have an automatic vote counter or anything?
webDip / vDip have one and it's super useful. Here it is for reference, running during the current vDip mafia game: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=1001- Jamiet99uk
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@Quick:
"someone could have posted in between my post and theirs, which then people would have to try and figure out who I was responding to"
You could just start your reply with "@Chisa", like I just did with you. That would make it just as clear you were responding to Chisa, and would take up less space on the page.- Jamiet99uk
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@Aubrey:
"I don't see any difference or innovation between what you said, and what should already be common knowledge though."
You are entitled to your views about what should be common knowledge, but in practice you'll notice that Quick hadn't realised this point about the Mason's abilities, as it happened.- Jamiet99uk
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@Aubrey - I'm sorry, maybe it's just a communication clash because this is the first time we've encountered each other. Your tone struck me as condescending - but perhaps that was just how I interpreted it, and not your intention. Not to worry, let's move on.
I've explained my scumread on Awoo, who I'm currently voting for.
My scumread on Assemblerot is based on a combination of his behaviour in this game so far, and something he said in the original game which was re-rolled. What he said back there was that he realises he often lurks, and will try to be much more involved on this occasion. When the re-roll happened, he posted early and looked like he was trying to be (or appear) involved, but then melted away and hasn't posted again.
Over on webDip / vDip we've got this guy, VashtaNeurotic, who combines horrible lurking with regular promises not to lurk. There was a game a while back where I think he made 20 posts in the whole game, of which 11 or 12 were "I'm just catching up with the thread, I'll have some comments soon" and then never did.
Assemblerot is currently striking me as that kind of lurker, and I don't like it. So it's not *just* anti-lurker bias, but anti-lurker bias linked to Assemble's promise that he'd be active in this game.
@Lucca261: Reasonable question - my scumread of you is based primarily on the manner of your vote for Cheeky, which you made without giving any kind of proper reason - yet you felt the need to say this was a "serious vote". Then your subsequent unwillingness to explain yourself. Townies explain their votes because this helps other townies to investigate. Also Awoo, who I scumread, defended you but with little explanation. That could be confirmation bias, I accept. We'll see.
For the second part of your question, I'm leaning town on Cheeky because she's explaining her thoughts and actions, and is asking questions and scumhunting. Also she's buddying me and I like being buddied (jk).
@Quick: "How sure of these reads are you at this time?"
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I have no idea how to take this comment it doesn't feel that genuine that I would expect from a new player wouldn't mind a wagon on this stillIn post 158, Maki Harukawa wrote:In post 43, Jamiet99uk wrote:Also, you guys, I'm sorry if I'm coming across badly because I'm new, but there are now 5 votes on me and two more would end the day while it's still in the random shitposting phase. I don't think that's a good idea.
@Maki - Could you explain this statement please? I don't understand what you mean by "that I would expect from a new player wouldn't mind a wagon on this still"- Jamiet99uk
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Good question. Maki's vote on Awoo wasn't very well explained. It seemed to just be a vote because Maki thought Awoo's comment to me was a bit shitty, rather than necessarily scummy. So I wasn't that surprised when Maki was unvoted - didn't appear a very sincere vote in the first place.In post 208, lucca261 wrote:let me get back in the game by making a quick "what I think of each player":
Jamie: yeah, I'm kinda of torn about his slot. he's using the newbie card a lot, more that I would like. when I was a newbie, the last thing I wanted was to people to point I was a newbie. he's using subtle language to point how he is a new player since the start, on things like 43, 71 and 128. and the mix of an apologetic approach, seen on 43, with an agressive approach, seen on the rest of his posts, especially against Aubrey, concerns me, and makes me think that the tone on 43 was the tone of a concerned player, that was using the newbie card to at least get more air, when he had five votes against him.
on the other hand, I think that the things he is questioning are ok, and I liked his response to me about why he scumreads me. I also don't think that a player that seems so eager to fit in with the meta would be such an eager scum player, with lot of posts and questions. so right now, I would say that the slot is on the complete middle to me.
question: what do you think of Maki vote/unvote on awoo?- Jamiet99uk
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In post 239, Epic Fial wrote:
I don't like this very much.In post 214, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Lalendra: Right, so just to be clear, your vote on me is from the early game shitposting, and you don't actually have a case against me or anything?
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In post 240, Epic Fial wrote:
What steps shall we take to keep the masons alive?In post 102, Jamiet99uk wrote:I'm thinking about our Masons. Important we keep them alive if we can. They effectively have a 1-shot copscan.
Let's try not to lynch them.- Jamiet99uk
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In post 241, Epic Fial wrote:
This seems off.In post 101, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Thomas of the Tiels
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The game has been running for two days, why have you still not posted?
In what sense? What do you dislike about it?- Jamiet99uk
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I don't like this post.In post 244, Epic Fial wrote:Lots of fluuuuuuufffffffffffff from Jamie, and his wagon dissolved faster than a fast-relief aspirin in a vat of hydrochloric acid. I'd like to see the pressure maintained longer.
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You're.In post 256, Aubrey wrote:
I'm sorry that I think your coasting, not addressing my concerns, and producing Eh content.In post 255, Jamiet99uk wrote:It seems to me that Epic Fial and Aubrey are both voting for me because they don't like my style, rather than for anything that actually makes me seem likely to be scum.
Kek.
What concerns did you raise that I have not replied to? Could you state your question(s) for me clearly?- Jamiet99uk
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@Aubrey: In the context of a question he asked concerning Maki "not minding" a wagon on me, you accused Lalendra of, and I quote:
"a question with an obvious answer that doesn't exactly need to be asked."
Surely that's a criticism of Lalendra, not me? What are you trying to ask me about it?
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Having re-read Awoo I no longer scumread him (not her, sorry it was the female picture). Awoo seems to be looking carefully at people's reactions which is good scumhunting play. I particularly agree with this response to Lucca261. It's egregiously scummy to want to know what people think you would do or say as scum (so you can later avoid doing or saying things that will get you scumread).In post 227, Awoo wrote:
Don't like this line. Do you think it mattered if you had a reason or not that early in the game? To me you're pushing something either alignment could have done forward and saying "scum wouldn't do it".so, let's talk: what's my motivation as scum to accuse cheeky without any reasons here?
More later, I owe this game some actual content.
VOTE: UNVOTE until I can properly reread Lucca.- Jamiet99uk
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If it's me you're talking to, I'd just say that if I changed my vote every time someone said something suspect, I'd have to move my vote at least once a page. I don't like throwing my vote around willy-nilly, like some other people seem to enjoy. Plus voting for Assemble at this point might not give very much info since he's asked to be replaced. Having said that, I don't like replacements getting a free pass.
I'm about to do a full re-read of Lucca.- Jamiet99uk
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Lucca261 has made 13 posts.
First was a shitphase joke vote on CommKnight. Second was his "serious vote" schtick on Cheeky. Some sort of rxn test, we suppose, but in the conversation in 113 and 117 he says it wasn't and he apparently knew Cheeky was scum for sure, that early (without explanation).
Post 139 doesn't know how anyone can have strong reads (and yet 22 posts before that he was sure of his scumread on Cheeky).
Up to that point - pretty hedgy and scummy.
Then from 208 onwards we get some more detailed, less abrasive posts from Lucca which seem more inquisitive and involved. His questioning of me seems reasonable - and he finally explains his early push on Cheeky.
@Lucca: Why did it take until 203 to explain why you scumread Cheeky on 59?- Jamiet99uk
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So let me get this straight. You originally scumread the slot, but that slot didn't keep your interest that much moving forward until you were pressured into expanding on your read? This is a red flag to me. If you scum-read a slot, they should hold a good amount of your attention. As the slot begins to change, shouldn't you take note of that instead of beingIn post 308, Jamiet99uk wrote:Having re-read Awoo I no longer scumread him (not her, sorry it was the female picture). Awoo seems to be looking carefully at people's reactions which is good scumhunting play. I particularly agree with this response to Lucca261. It's egregiously scummy to want to know what people think you would do or say as scum (so you can later avoid doing or saying things that will get you scumread).
VOTE: UNVOTE until I can properly reread Lucca.forcedinto recap? It's stuff like this that hints artificially suspecting people to me.
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Why do you call people "slots"? Why not "them" or "that person"? What a weird word choice. As for your question, it was an early, although sincere, vote - and I hadn't seen fit to move it. Lalendra is doing the exact same thing with a vote from the shitphase still being on me because, as Lalendra has said, they haven't had a better option yet. Do you scumread Lalendra for that behaviour, Aubrey?- Jamiet99uk
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Multiple times?
Wait, the person in a "slot" can change "multiple times" during a single game?
Can someone who has played a few games here before confirm this?
I'm used to playing in 20 player games where there might be 2-3 substitues at most...
Is it the norm here that during a single game half the players quit or fail to participate and get replaced?- Jamiet99uk
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