In post 24, Aubrey wrote:In post 13, Quick wrote:Slow game. Looks like everyone has confirmed? Why the lack of posts?
Assemblrotws, any reason for the vote? Anything at all?
Eh. It's a Friday, and the weekend. Not to mention this game is pretty straight forward, so there is little need to discuss game mechanics. Ultimately this game is going to come down to good ol' raw scumhunting!
By the way, why are you asking Assembl for reasons for his vote when the person he is voting has yet to even comment?
In post 25, Quick wrote:In post 24, Aubrey wrote:In post 13, Quick wrote:Slow game. Looks like everyone has confirmed? Why the lack of posts?
Assemblrotws, any reason for the vote? Anything at all?
Eh. It's a Friday, and the weekend. Not to mention this game is pretty straight forward, so there is little need to discuss game mechanics. Ultimately this game is going to come down to good ol' raw scumhunting!
By the way, why are you asking Assembl for reasons for his vote when the person he is voting has yet to even comment?
Because I assume he has Some kind of reason judging based on what I know of them. I know he's a lurker. I know he is logical. That means he theoretically should make every post count.
In post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Riiight, so do you have a waifu pillow? Or are you only semi-weeb?
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.urba ... b&=true
In post 33, Torque wrote:Epic Fial is having some problems with the site, so he cannot post yet. We are working with him to try to resolve the issue. In the mean time, he will not be prodded for not posting.CommKnight wrote:VOTE: Chisa Weebs are just a no from me.
In post 43, Jamiet99uk wrote:Also, you guys, I'm sorry if I'm coming across badly because I'm new, but there are now 5 votes on me and two more would end the day while it's still in the random shitposting phase. I don't think that's a good idea.
In post 48, Awoo wrote:Why would you post that, quick? You should know RVS wagons are for gathering information, not for quicklynching.I am going to VOTE: Awoo for piling onto an easy wagon formed during the shitposting phase. Scum love easy lynches.
Nice, looks like the game is on, baby
VOTE: Quick
In post 72, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 64, Awoo wrote:I hopped off of a random wagon onto a serious vote. Got a problem with that, collegeboy?
Not to mention jamiett has a towny vote on me. Even though he's completely wrong about the site meta, it's a town thought process.
So you're voting quick for being too precious? Agree Jamie feels town this time.
VOTE: lucca serious omgus vote.
In post 87, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 59, lucca261 wrote:
was that the one that Grey got force replaced and everybody was fighting everyone? I think I remember that. it made me quit mafia, for like, six months. so, how are ya? any reads so far?
VOTE: Cheeky
serious vote.
Uh Quick have you read this? Maybe have a little think about why instead of being so opportunistic. I want a response from Lucca so I'm not moving my vote so FoS Quick.
In post 91, CheekyTeeky wrote:
You're just rephrasing your original question. I get my best reads from OMGUS reactions. Your continued interference is weird. Why aren't you scum hunting instead of calling me scum for scum hunting? Do you even have any reads?
In post 94, Chisa Yukizome wrote:VOTE: commknight
also quick the tldr of rvs wagons since I just reread #49
announce your l-1s and policy lynch anyone who hammers
In post 103, CommKnight wrote:In post 49, Quick wrote:In post 48, Awoo wrote:Why would you post that, quick? You should know RVS wagons are for gathering information, not for quicklynching.I am going to VOTE: Awoo for piling onto an easy wagon formed during the shitposting phase. Scum love easy lynches.
Nice, looks like the game is on, baby
VOTE: Quick
I've seen quicklynches happen and Scum got away with it because "oh I didn't know that was the hammer". I have this policy in all my games and its not because I am Scum. On top of that, I have never seen a quick wagon really amount to anything significant in a game. Some people will Town read the slot that is Quickwagoned, some will Scum read it. It just sucks for reading people actually, and there is the chance it ends in a quick lynch so I just try and avoid them altogether.
This could be legit town concern or it could be afraid his buddy gets lynched.
In post 128, Jamiet99uk wrote:Why do you all quote each other all the time??
Quick, you were literally replying to the post above yours just there. We can see what Chisa wrote. If it was a quote from 3 pages ago, sure. But I don't get why you constantly cut and paste each other's quotes?
What am I missing?
In post 131, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Quick:
"someone could have posted in between my post and theirs, which then people would have to try and figure out who I was responding to"
You could just start your reply with "@Chisa", like I just did with you. That would make it just as clear you were responding to Chisa, and would take up less space on the page.
In post 158, Maki Harukawa wrote:In post 47, Quick wrote:In post 43, Jamiet99uk wrote:Also, you guys, I'm sorry if I'm coming across badly because I'm new, but there are now 5 votes on me and two more would end the day while it's still in the random shitposting phase. I don't think that's a good idea.
I'm inclined to agree actually.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but the way this is put makes it sound like you think sometimes rvs wagons going through are alright? Or am I reading into this too much?
In post 158, Maki Harukawa wrote:This feels gross the comment is question didn't really feel that bad at allIn post 51, CheekyTeeky wrote:You killed it Awoo :/
Jamie's reaction did feel pretty town, albeit delayed. Not sure what to make of Quick getting all high and mighty. I'll lean town on that for now.
Why did you let quick influence you Awoo?
VOTE: Awoo
In post 169, northsidegal wrote:alright, full reread complete. to address a few of the more prominent discussions at hand, i townread jamie, don't like lucca's posting and think this is probably cheeky's towngame. also, i find myself agreeing with awoo's 164. maki's questions / comments seem rather empty and her vote seems relatively weak. out of the entire thread the thing you vote someone for is a comment about getting the game moving on page two?
VOTE: maki
@mod, any word on epic fial?
In post 246, CommKnight wrote:Maki HarukawaVadim
Lalendra
Awoo
Epic Fial
Gut is telling me that 2/4 of the above are scum. The other remains in the ones not on this list.
VOTE: Awoo
Your comments thus far have been bugging something in the back of my head. I can't quite place it but I know it's usually right.
In post 269, CommKnight wrote:In post 250, Maki Harukawa wrote:Why do you think Lalendra could be scum really not getting that readIn post 246, CommKnight wrote:Maki HarukawaVadim
Lalendra
Awoo
Epic Fial
Gut is telling me that 2/4 of the above are scum. The other remains in the ones not on this list.
VOTE: Awoo
Your comments thus far have been bugging something in the back of my head. I can't quite place it but I know it's usually right.
Gut is telling me that 2/4 of the above are scum. The other remains in the ones not on this list.
Gut is telling me that 2/4 of the above are scum.
Gut
I know, crazy right? Ask Assemble, it's pretty dangerous (my gut feelings that is). Even if I can't logically argue it out, it's the vibe I get from people.
Also Quick is weak. Can't even read gut and feels the need to comment on it like he's adding some value. Either say why Awoo is town or gtfo.
In post 273, Awoo wrote:Quick, you suspect aubrey on account of having low content, could you explain that? I can point to numerous other cases of lower content in the game. Why him/Any other reasons you suspect him specifically?
In post 189, Aubrey wrote:In post 159, Maki Harukawa wrote:Was this topic important what so ever or more so banter for you Chisa?
Understanding how the world perceives oneself is typical, and all that really read as.In post 159, Maki Harukawa wrote:I'm scared that I agree with most of this (my) post.In post 166, Maki Harukawa wrote:need to see more from Aubrey
......Okay.In post 176, Maki Harukawa wrote:I don't know who I want to vote in the 2 because I doubt it's scum vs scum (Cheeky and Awoo)
I initially had some town vibes from this, but then paranoia set in. Whatever happened to this, "I feel good about my vote on Awoo" thing. I can't help but wonder if this is just a tactic to see how the positions of these two players develop down the line.In post 185, Epic Fial wrote:MY NAME IS ERIC BUT POEPLE CALL ME EPIC BECAUSE OF MY LAST NAME.
Firts. Poeple. Fial. All caps.
I'm onto you.
In post 204, Aubrey wrote:In post 194, Epic Fial wrote:Maybe scum are lurking weebs in this game. Another possibility is that they are posting a lot but are not weebs. So I'm going to be considering both weebs and non-weebs, and people who are lurking and people doing the opposite of that, whatever it is called. On the other hand, they might be in the middle somewhere. Nearly certain we can hit scum in one of those groups.
In post 206, Aubrey wrote:Sass overload.
In post 226, northsidegal wrote:In post 225, lucca261 wrote:cheeky really did that, and she say it herself on 87, when pressured by quick. openly saying she wants a response from me = openly saying her vote is a reaction test. my point is: if cheeky wanted to have a response from me, putting a vote on my slot and then saying she wants a response is counter productive, it redirects the discussion away from why I voted her. she could've, you know, just asked.
i think i'd like to hear cheeky's point of view with regard to this. anyone else can chime in, as well, if you've got something to add!
In post 226, northsidegal wrote:there was nothing spetacular, it was my first non-rvs vote, on page 5. I don't need a full case on somebody. my reasons for voting her were expressed on post 206. at the time, it was the scummiest thing on the game. so I voted her. I never said I know for a fact that cheeky is scum. in fact, I quote: "because I think you are scum". where did I say I know she is scum or that I don't need evidence? I was engaging with her at that moment. I was furthering my read at that moment.
so, let's talk: what's my motivation as scum to accuse cheeky without any reasons here?
you may not have said that you know she's scum, but from your actions it certainly appears that way. i'm thinking more and more that it's a meta thing, but it seemed to me to be unusual behavior towards someone you scumread. when i see someone pushing someone else as scummy and it appears fake or strange, i'm more inclined to think that they're pushing a mislynch. from what i'm gathering from this conversation you further your reads in ways that i can't easily pick up on, so i'm going to keep that in mind going forward as well as when reviewing previous posts.
in response to your last line, that's what i've been turning over in my head. you'll note that i've never explicitly said i scumread you, even if i find it hard to find town motivation in some of your actions. mainly i disagree with the wagon you've started.
In post 238, Epic Fial wrote:In post 234, Aubrey wrote:Epic comes off as a joke account. If he doesn't start taking the game semi seriously, he'll probably need to be exterminated at some point. Scum will keep problematic slots around, and problematic slots are not good for the town to have around for the later game. Take that for what you will. I'm not above lynching slots that I think will be unreadable.In post 237, Quick wrote:I really want to see more from Epic Fial because I forgot they were in the game until I saw the joke for the second time.
Could be that scum lives in a gingerbread house, the forest is dark, and everywhere looks like everywhere else. Really, there is only one way to prepare for that and survive. Understand that, and you are halfway home. Maybe you think I am a joke. But I am not.
In post 279, Maki Harukawa wrote:I think 1 is most likely scum but given interactions I don't think BOTH are scum.
In post 287, Awoo wrote:Quick, you're doing a lot of defending/townreading, do you have any other scumreads besides cheeky?
In post 298, Quick wrote:@MOD, Lucca is voting for CommKnight.
In post 301, CommKnight wrote:In post 272, Maki Harukawa wrote:In post 269, CommKnight wrote:In post 250, Maki Harukawa wrote:Why do you think Lalendra could be scum really not getting that readIn post 246, CommKnight wrote:Maki HarukawaVadim
Lalendra
Awoo
Epic Fial
Gut is telling me that 2/4 of the above are scum. The other remains in the ones not on this list.
VOTE: Awoo
Your comments thus far have been bugging something in the back of my head. I can't quite place it but I know it's usually right.
Gut is telling me that 2/4 of the above are scum. The other remains in the ones not on this list.
Gut is telling me that 2/4 of the above are scum.
Gut
I know, crazy right? Ask Assemble, it's pretty dangerous (my gut feelings that is). Even if I can't logically argue it out, it's the vibe I get from people.
Also Quick is weak. Can't even read gut and feels the need to comment on it like he's adding some value. Either say why Awoo is town or gtfo.
I understood you said gut but you must have some reasoning for any of these reads yes?
Even if I can't logically argue it out, it's the vibe I get from people.
it's the vibe I get from people.
vibe
I feel like this is an effective form of communication with this group. Even the limited amount of what I have said is being overlooked, so pointing it out by breaking down my own posts might help.
@Quick, what does my gut add? How about being on the right track 9 times out of 10. What have you added so far in figuring anyone out besides scumreading town players who are scumming it up because you can't read them worth a lick and are taking the easy route out. I can actually talk about my last game since it finished not too long ago and guess what. Town kept going for the easy mislynches when I kept saying to them it wasn't those people. But am I ever listened to when I'm town? No. But when I'm mafia it's like everyone listens to me and I don't need to do diddly squat all then. But games like this where I'm town, I'm just stuck with a bunch of "why" people.
When my reads start flipping how I told you they would flip and we talk about it post-game, then you can ask yourself "Why didn't I listen to Comm, he's odd but he's a brilliant mofo when it comes to solving who scum are and scum probably should've killed him N1 unless they want to be outed by the time D3 rolls around, because by then he has the whole puzzle together. His D1's are a bit sketchy and he might not have zeroed in properly, but gee golly, his late-game play is like something out of the holy mafia scripture. I sure wish I could be just like him when I grow up."
You know what will help me get more solid reads? Flips. Flips. Flips. And the dumbass remarks people tend to make after them to distance themselves from it. I'm fine with being wrong once or twice, but based on how others react to my pushes when those pushes are flipped, it sure as hell paints a clear picture on what they are.
Now then, I'm going for my nightly nap. My brain is constantly running 19/7 with 5 hours of sleep max each night. My morning class is cancelled so I'm sleeping the **** in for an extra 3-4 hours. Just work on your townreading game of me and you're guaranteed to win 9 times out of 10 with believing in my gut.
In post 345, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Quick: Why are you voting me? Why am I scum?
In post 307, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Aubrey - Okay sorry, I really had just missed your question there... kinda buried in a big block of text and not directly addressing me.
I think you are right that since my vote is still on Awoo it would be prudentbto re-read her. Give me a little time to do that.
In post 314, Jamiet99uk wrote:Dammit this game is packed with quitters.
That's like the 5th replacement in a 13 player game. Is that normal here?
In post 316, Jamiet99uk wrote:@CommKnight:
Do you trust your gut enough to stake your own neck on it?
In post 320, Jamiet99uk wrote:Assemble tells us to follow CommKnight's gut / Assemble's vote is not on the same target as CommKnight....
Hmm.
In post 340, Jamiet99uk wrote:Because if that's normal here, I probably just need to leave this website.
In post 342, Jamiet99uk wrote:@CommKnight: While I'm still playing: So, do you agree to the following?
- If I sheep your vote this turn, and (y)our target is lynched, and flips TOWN, then you agree that YOU will be the lynch tomorrow, and to that ens, will vote for yourself tomorrow in those circumstances?
In post 343, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Awoo
I'm not quitting. I just don't see the point in this website if the games are so shit that half the players quit during the course of an average game like CommKnight has suggested. This game has already had what I'd regard as a worryingly high level of replacements...
In post 362, Jamiet99uk wrote:I didn't think you were going to. I thought you were going to go off and attend to your other games, and be lazy about this one, as your post implied.
In post 368, CommKnight wrote:Like it's sad because I'm wondering about his reading comprehension/memory skills right now. I've said that my D1's are usually worse. I've said flips help me piece together the puzzle better. I've said that expecting me to gamethrow is a bad idea (and right now is one of the primary reasons I am voting him, I refuse to back down because someone wants to pull that kind of shit). Even more, I've said I can be wrong.
But I'm pretty much always onto something in each of my games. It's easier to see where I fucked up at the end when the flips are better revealed, but in every one of my games the scum end up in the radar. When they leave the radar is more often than not when someone (like you) does something worse that gains all of my attention.
In post 408, Maki Harukawa wrote:VOTE: Cheeky
I have a lot of townreads and I think this is where I wanna vote right now I prob should've not tried to catch up at 4am when my brain feels like jello and words blend together but whatever if you got questions go ahead and ask em
In post 410, Jamiet99uk wrote:Excellent.
The reaction to my challenge to CommKnight was very interesting. Everyone who said it was a bad idea is entirely correct. Of course I don't want CommKnight to commit to suiciding if he's town and gets his D1 read wrong. That would be a waste.
My intention in proposing this apparently mad idea was twofold. First of all, to dissuade CommKnight from being too cocky about his gut, and anyone else from just slavishly following him. Secondly, I wanted too see people's reactions. I'm going to spend some time assessing those later today.
For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.
That said, all things considered I'd prefer to stay alive, and I'm definitely town, so if you've got a good scumread, go for them - and tell us why. It's time to start bringing this phase home, my fellow townsfolk.
In post 415, Maki Harukawa wrote:In post 409, Quick wrote:In post 408, Maki Harukawa wrote:VOTE: Cheeky
I have a lot of townreads and I think this is where I wanna vote right now I prob should've not tried to catch up at 4am when my brain feels like jello and words blend together but whatever if you got questions go ahead and ask em
What changed? I saw in your ISO you really only had like 1 post from Cheeky quoted and it was from the beginning of the game. Basically, I am Town reading you and Scum reading Cheeky and I'm trying to figure out why you switched to cheeky.
It was more what others did then Cheeky herself now consider everyone starts at 50 rating and goes up and down based on towny/scummy I had her as an early scumread and I have townreads on a lot of other people that are not her and the few other scumreads I do have I would feel less confident on.
In post 459, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ok up to page 13
Reads to that point are:
Awoo, Jamie, Comm
NSG, Aubrey, Chisa
Fial, Assemble,
Quick, Maki, Lalendra, Lucca
VOTE: Quick
In post 468, Awoo wrote:Jamie is becoming a policy lynch.
A policy lynch that I support.
VOTE: jamiet99uk
Because otherwise it's too obvious who's getting mason'd, and that's bad. At least when we remove this from the game there is a good layer of ambiguity who the copshot lands on.
Is it bad if I think this slot isn't reaaaaaaly going to flip scum? I don't think this lynch is terrible for town as we also get some info on who's on wagons and stuff, who pushed him throughout the day, etc. But I don't reaaaly think it's going to flip scum.
A lot of my scumreads are on this wagon and I feel bad in that regard but read above.
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In post 499, Maki Harukawa wrote:You know when I saw Awoo's post I was like *perks eyebrow* myself but I think it's so honest that scum doesn't need to say a line like that I don't think scum Awoo looks at that post and clicks submit
In post 505, Maki Harukawa wrote:So if I voted Jamie you'd vote me is the logic I am getting from all this.
In post 512, Awoo wrote:VOTE: Quick Nope, votes on my wagon look good. Except for quick. 344 was just a wagon building vote. Your vote on me is just a wagon building vote. 352 is weak reasoning for joining the wagon. Like the other guy said, it's a weak hypothetical that relies on... what? I like him for scum here.
You vote him since his content is not deep enough but he's pretty town though? voting, pressuring for good reasons. I was just despairing in my post over jamie being doomed not to live to endgame because of silly/annoying things he does and that town won't look past that. But we can though, you know? So I'm happy I made that post.
In post 518, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I said that post was scummy as hell not you're scum. That's a suicide post if you are. Main reason I townread you is because of your response to my meta argument. Scum don't say "don't townread me" lol. Yes I am all over the place I'm in too many games :/ but I don't want to replace and be that guy. I think 3 should be my limit.
In post 495, Quick wrote:In post 459, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ok up to page 13
Reads to that point are:
Awoo, Jamie, Comm
NSG, Aubrey, Chisa
Fial, Assemble,
Quick, Maki, Lalendra, Lucca
VOTE: Quick
Why are you Scum reading me? Why did you pick me out of the other Scum reads you have? Why not vote with Jamie, your Town read and vote Lalendra?
In post 520, CheekyTeeky wrote:You're the one who is ringing alarm bells through my catch up. I noticed you jumped on my wagon agreeing with everyone instead of creating your own argument. I already said it looked like you're cruising through the game and I'm not super convinced you're town by your line of questionning here either. Why would I vote with a town read? One of my town reads is voting my other town read lol. I will go into more detail on my reads at some point. Sorry I keep putting it off, I've been super useless this game.
In post 522, northsidegal wrote:In post 521, Quick wrote:In post 520, CheekyTeeky wrote:You're the one who is ringing alarm bells through my catch up. I noticed you jumped on my wagon agreeing with everyone instead of creating your own argument. I already said it looked like you're cruising through the game and I'm not super convinced you're town by your line of questionning here either. Why would I vote with a town read? One of my town reads is voting my other town read lol. I will go into more detail on my reads at some point. Sorry I keep putting it off, I've been super useless this game.
What are you even talking about? Why do people keep saying I am voting for people without my own reasoning when I most certainly am.
perhaps you're not doing a good enough job of making that clear. i thought your vote in 498 was just sheeping me. if you had your own reasons for it i didn't really pick up on them.
In post 526, northsidegal wrote:In post 524, Quick wrote:In post 522, northsidegal wrote:In post 521, Quick wrote:In post 520, CheekyTeeky wrote:You're the one who is ringing alarm bells through my catch up. I noticed you jumped on my wagon agreeing with everyone instead of creating your own argument. I already said it looked like you're cruising through the game and I'm not super convinced you're town by your line of questionning here either. Why would I vote with a town read? One of my town reads is voting my other town read lol. I will go into more detail on my reads at some point. Sorry I keep putting it off, I've been super useless this game.
What are you even talking about? Why do people keep saying I am voting for people without my own reasoning when I most certainly am.
perhaps you're not doing a good enough job of making that clear. i thought your vote in 498 was just sheeping me. if you had your own reasons for it i didn't really pick up on them.
Than you missed the post directly above yours.
My reason was that Awoo was advocating a PL on someone who in my mind is clearly Town.
right, but in that post you're just saying how bad you think the vote is. it isn't until i make my post and jamie sheeps me too that you hop on the wagon. through a certain lens someone might even call it opportunistic, or a scummy hop-on. what stopped you from voting in your first post and what caused you to vote in your second post? to me it seemed like you were scared to draw attention to yourself and you only voted in the comfort of a crowd.
In post 525, CheekyTeeky wrote:Eh I think you're just itching for me to be scum in a game with you Awoo. I really don't think you're scum so I'm not even going to OMGUS you. I think I'm going to troll you again anyway because all my posts are going through some far reaching scum filter.
Quick why aren't you voting me if you're so convinced?
In post 529, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 528, Quick wrote:In post 525, CheekyTeeky wrote:Eh I think you're just itching for me to be scum in a game with you Awoo. I really don't think you're scum so I'm not even going to OMGUS you. I think I'm going to troll you again anyway because all my posts are going through some far reaching scum filter.
Quick why aren't you voting me if you're so convinced?
Because right now I a looking at Awoo.. I think it was Maki that said that you and Awoo can't both be Scum, but that you are both fairly Scummy. I agree with that now.
But why do you think I'm scum?
In post 531, Awoo wrote:I've got no grudge against you if that's what you want to believe, cheeky. But maybe I do have some issues with your play.
I just called your read on me weak and I explained why. You respond with "ehh, i'll just troll you, you're town btw". Believe me, I'm trying to find some reason to townread you so you aren't just a wasted day 1 lynch like you say you usually are, but if you're just going to give up what's the point?
Your read on me reads like it comes from an informed perspective. Your post about me reads flippantly. Can't you do anything remotely town-motivated?
And now quick is onto questioning you, getting ready for a hop on himself, so maybe I am off the mark on voting you. But shit man, it's not town's job to act high and mighty "don't question my reading methods" "i'll just troll you, you're so stupid cant you see im town?" then blame town for mislynching them when it inevitably happens, and you need to get that through your towngame's head. Yes you are antitown. I don't know what you look like as scum.
VOTE: Quick
In post 535, Awoo wrote:Yeah. Whatever's popular, you're on it. This is my observation.
In post 515, Lalendra wrote:Sigh. I really don't want to townread Jamie after all that, but UNVOTE:
I already had some doubt, and his last few posts felt very Towny to me. And now I'm back at square one.
In post 540, Awoo wrote:You literally hopped on a new forming wagon. Where is the jamie wagon now? Where is it GOING to be in a few pages?
"What do you mean it was collapsing?" I'll spell it out for you, since you're intentionally playing dumb:
Before you voted: Jamiet99uk (6!!): Aubrey, Lalendra, Epic Fial, Quick, CommKnight, Awoo
Your vote comes onto me: Jamiet (4): Aubrey, Lalendra, CommKnight, Awoo
Present day: Jamiet99uk (2): Aubrey, CommKnight
And then shortly after that after that lalendra unvotes. If 6 -> 2 isn't a collapse I don't know what is. Everybody still on the wagon is there because they haven't posted yet. Why did you post this? Why are you spreading misinformation?
In post 450, Jamiet99uk wrote:VOTE COUNT 1.6.1 (UNOFFICIAL)
Jamiet99uk (5): Aubrey, Lalendra, Epic Fial, Quick, CommKnight
CommKnight (2): Chisa Yukizome, lucca261
Lalendra (2): Awoo, Jamiet99uk
Maki Harukawa (1): northsidegal
Epic Fial (1): CheekyTeeky
Lucca(1): Flavour Leaf
CheekyTeeky(1): Maki Harukawa
I hope that's correct...
In post 454, lucca261 wrote:UNVOTE:
In post 459, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ok up to page 13
Reads to that point are:
Awoo, Jamie, Comm
NSG, Aubrey, Chisa
Fial, Assemble,
Quick, Maki, Lalendra, Lucca
VOTE: Quick
In post 468, Awoo wrote:Jamie is becoming a policy lynch.
A policy lynch that I support.
VOTE: jamiet99uk
Because otherwise it's too obvious who's getting mason'd, and that's bad. At least when we remove this from the game there is a good layer of ambiguity who the copshot lands on.
Is it bad if I think this slot isn't reaaaaaaly going to flip scum? I don't think this lynch is terrible for town as we also get some info on who's on wagons and stuff, who pushed him throughout the day, etc. But I don't reaaaly think it's going to flip scum.
A lot of my scumreads are on this wagon and I feel bad in that regard but read above.
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In post 469, Epic Fial wrote:UNVOTE:
Content within twelve hours, I am hoping. Busy trying to order a new Hilary Clinton waifu pillow on eBay, after the old one underwent terminal deflation last night. Waifu pillows are inflatable and more or less anatomically correct, right?
In post 496, northsidegal wrote:In post 468, Awoo wrote:Jamie is becoming a policy lynch.
A policy lynch that I support.
VOTE: jamiet99uk
Because otherwise it's too obvious who's getting mason'd, and that's bad. At least when we remove this from the game there is a good layer of ambiguity who the copshot lands on.
Is it bad if I think this slot isn't reaaaaaaly going to flip scum? I don't think this lynch is terrible for town as we also get some info on who's on wagons and stuff, who pushed him throughout the day, etc. But I don't reaaaly think it's going to flip scum.
A lot of my scumreads are on this wagon and I feel bad in that regard but read above.
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i'm not going to ask the obvious question of "why push a lynch you think will flip town", because you've answered that. the thing is, i don't think your answer is a good enough reason. like, what do we actually gain from lynching jamie? you say that you can analyze the wagons and see who pushed him and such, but you can do all of that today. if, like you said, you already believe jamie is town, then analyze the wagons and the interactions today with that in mind. you don't need him to be dead before you can start looking at, for example, players that may have opportunistically pushed his wagon. finally, if some of your actual scumreads are on the wagon, is there some reason that you're not attempting to get those players lynched? we have about 6 days left, more than enough time for a good case to change some people's minds.
VOTE: awoo
oh yeah, what's the deal with the bold? seems like a fairly weak reason to lynch somebody. it also assumes that jamie is town and that the masonize turns him into a mason instead of confirming him as scum, which i would say could be a slip except you're already assuming that he's town. i don't give too much weight to slight slips like that anyways.
In post 497, Jamiet99uk wrote:Awoo must be certain I am town, and yet is trying to lynch me. The whole theory that I'm trying to get masonized makes no sense if you think I'm scum - because there's no way scum would want the masons to confirm their role. Thus Awoo knows I am town and is nevertheless attempting to lynch me.
There is only one sensible conclusion. Awoo is scum.
VOTE: Awoo
In post 508, Awoo wrote:UNVOTE: oof
In post 512, Awoo wrote:VOTE: Quick Nope, votes on my wagon look good. Except for quick. 344 was just a wagon building vote. Your vote on me is just a wagon building vote. 352 is weak reasoning for joining the wagon. Like the other guy said, it's a weak hypothetical that relies on... what? I like him for scum here.
You vote him since his content is not deep enough but he's pretty town though? voting, pressuring for good reasons. I was just despairing in my post over jamie being doomed not to live to endgame because of silly/annoying things he does and that town won't look past that. But we can though, you know? So I'm happy I made that post.
In post 515, Lalendra wrote:Sigh. I really don't want to townread Jamie after all that, but UNVOTE:
I already had some doubt, and his last few posts felt very Towny to me. And now I'm back at square one.
In post 517, Epic Fial wrote:That reminds me...
VOTE: CommKnight
Rationale to followwhen I think of it.
In post 523, Awoo wrote:Okay, but really cheeky,I said that post was scummy as hell not you're scum. That's a suicide post if you are. Main reason I townread you is because of your response to my meta argument. Scum don't say "don't townread me" lol. Yes I am all over the place I'm in too many games :/ but I don't want to replace and be that guy. I think 3 should be my limit.
Do scum really not say "don't townread me"? That's reaaaaly not that hard to fake, considering the result I got out of it.
When you say my post is scummy as hell, ok you're not wrong, but what do you really mean by it if you're townreading me? What does this add to the game? This just reads like you have are looking at the game through an informed point of view to me. See this post in here for an example of what I mean. (taken from my scumgame, you were there)
For the record my vote on jamie wasn't supposed to be a reaction test, just a classic LapseInJudgement (TM)
VOTE: Cheeky
In post 531, Awoo wrote:I've got no grudge against you if that's what you want to believe, cheeky. But maybe I do have some issues with your play.
I just called your read on me weak and I explained why. You respond with "ehh, i'll just troll you, you're town btw". Believe me, I'm trying to find some reason to townread you so you aren't just a wasted day 1 lynch like you say you usually are, but if you're just going to give up what's the point?
Your read on me reads like it comes from an informed perspective. Your post about me reads flippantly. Can't you do anything remotely town-motivated?
And now quick is onto questioning you, getting ready for a hop on himself, so maybe I am off the mark on voting you. But shit man, it's not town's job to act high and mighty "don't question my reading methods" "i'll just troll you, you're so stupid cant you see im town?" then blame town for mislynching them when it inevitably happens, and you need to get that through your towngame's head. Yes you are antitown. I don't know what you look like as scum.
VOTE: Quick
In post 273, Awoo wrote:Getting a coasting vibe from lalendra.
VOTE: Lalendra, much better vote then maki atm.
In post 281, Awoo wrote:"townreading lalendra" --- why?
In post 319, Awoo wrote:oh shit I did it again, that quote is from lalendra
In post 333, Awoo wrote:Lalendra is playing exactly like a scum IC in a newbie game LOL
In post 540, Awoo wrote:And then shortly after that after that lalendra unvotes. If 6 -> 2 isn't a collapse I don't know what is. Everybody still on the wagon is there because they haven't posted yet. Why did you post this? Why are you spreading misinformation?
In post 541, Awoo wrote:In post 538, Quick wrote:In post 515, Lalendra wrote:Sigh. I really don't want to townread Jamie after all that, but UNVOTE:
I already had some doubt, and his last few posts felt very Towny to me. And now I'm back at square one.
Was it you before who didn't want to unvote and kept their vote on someone because you didn't know where else to stick it? Why unvote now? What changed?
SvS
In post 553, Awoo wrote:Lalendra & quick both premium lynches 2day
In post 558, Awoo wrote:Now, face my ultimate technique! 542
Half your post has been invalidated. *strikes pose*
You're like, 0 - 3 for actually reading and correctly interpreting the events of the game. You might say my lalendra vote was weak but I don't think so. Good try on the low hanging fruit though. iirc no one was voting lalendra and I was bringing someone who was, yes in fact coasting, to light. You're just projecting your own votes onto one of mine. Do you think you are low hanging fruit right now, quick?
In post 563, CommKnight wrote:Well Quick, aside from the fact that as Awoo has pointed out, you glaze over shit to look townie and only pick out what you want to pick out in context wise. Then yes, I'd say that's grounds for voting you. You've not done a damn thing so far to convince me to TR you either. So you also have that now working against you.
In post 579, CommKnight wrote:In post 578, Awoo wrote:But that's the opposite of what he's doing.
^
"Actually thinking about things."... Me-thinks you aren't thinking about the "content" Quick has posted so far. Basically you're townreading him for some reason that actually does not exist. If you're really town Jamie, you're falsely townreading Quick for his long posts. But the truth is a lot of his "content" is fluff. It's misinterpreting things.
Come on, I'll fight Fial, Jamie, and Quick today. You guys get the handicap numbers because it's obvious the processing power isn't there to even, as a scum-team, figure out why you guys are going down-hill here. It's like watching a snake eat its' own tail and question why it's dying.
In post 566, Quick wrote:In post 563, CommKnight wrote:Well Quick, aside from the fact that as Awoo has pointed out, you glaze over shit to look townie and only pick out what you want to pick out in context wise. Then yes, I'd say that's grounds for voting you. You've not done a damn thing so far to convince me to TR you either. So you also have that now working against you.
This is your only point worth addressing really.
What makes you say I am glazing over shit to look townie and only pick out what I want to pick out context wise?
Like this sounds like something you could say about anyone? Not getting it.
In post 603, CommKnight wrote:Note: Everyone who has experience with me are townreading me.
Think on that for a moment and then look at your reads.
Either I'm magically scum with everyone I've played with before or they're posting their actual read of me. Hmmm. What one could it be.
Also note that Flavor TR's me but I don't TR him. We've had multiple games together (same as the predecessor Assemble).
But you know, let's act like the TI and pretend that it's a conspiracy.
In post 608, CommKnight wrote:@Aubrey.
1.) Fuck Drag. I was pretty good with my reads that game and we might've had scum D1 without his negative ass tunneling me. But I did manage to get him lynched in that 1v1. So Quick might want to consider rethinking 1v1'ing me with multiple TR's. He just dislikes my *CONFIDENCE* (Ego but with more sureness).
2.) I was bloody right that game too.
Xayzeck MMM, havingfitz, Aubrey, XnadrojX (4)
I had both goons right in this damn buddy list. I even said I could not account for Traitor votes/being voted. I also said that game that one of MMM/Shinobi was scum and the other was town 100% I called Xay out early as all fuck and town didn't believe me. Also vote count 1.5, me, your and Xay nearly lynched your traitor. LOLOL he must've been like GUYS DON'T VOTE ME I'M WITH YOU! That game was a pain... and so was that colour coding...
Also Quick, I ISO'd you ass. Here's the list of people you gone after so far.
- Jamiet
- north
- Awoo
- Comm
Legit, you gone after myself and 2 tr/tl slots. While briefly looking at jamie and then going back to tr'ing him for some unknown reason.
You basically haven't even addressed others outside of a single post really besides us 4. So yes, your posts come off as fake content. I mean hell... we're talking about 80+ posts vs my 20 something. So quadriple my posts but not quadriple the amount of people you looked into. Not even close.
In post 678, CommKnight wrote:In post 660, Aubrey wrote:It Halloweeeeeeeeeeeen! Which meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeans, this game will be dead to me for most the night! Unless I get back to the home early.![]()
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Be safe, and have fun to those who celebrate. Horror movie night with the friends I gooooooooo! (as soon as I leave work, cry*)
I'm watching Friday The 13th, ready to eat this candy if no one comes to my door....
Also tomorrow is candy shopping day FYI.
Loving the "I'll hammer Comm if I have to." post. Like get scum read dude. There's a reason you're no where near my town reads. You guys voting me can't even keep a fucking firm stance on me. Now that the wagon is dissolving you're bailing out like a damn coward who just wanted the damn mislynch.
Quick is going to be the lynch today, because after the actions of those that were voting me... LOL if someone manages to mislynch me.
In post 682, CommKnight wrote:And then?
You're right. I haven't. Because you're stuck on disliking my confidence than having a real case against me. Look at those that are already jumping off me. Like dude, tunneling me and 1v1'ing me was a bad mistake. Unless you can get a wagon on someone scummier, me vs you. You're dead 100%.
So what's it gonna be? Make an actual good case to convince us to lynch someone else, or get hung?
In post 685, CommKnight wrote:Neither have you. I've pointed out that you've barely gone outside of 4 people and Jamie was only briefly.
My Day 1's are shit. What's your excuse?
In post 710, Flubbernugget wrote:To both lalendra and Northside:
Do you see what I see with comm saying quick is scum off of gut but then following up with reasoning afterwards? It looks like throwing shade for the sake of keeping the lynch off of him in that context.
To quick
Can you fill me in on those reads? At the very least the ones near the top and bottom.
In post 707, Quick wrote:Reads:
Town
Jamie - Just Town, not going to talk about it.
lucca - He's prolly playing more Pro-Town than anyone in the game IMO
Maki/Vadim - I pretty much got it right in my first post on Maki. Slow to start and looks to be really trying to solve.
Lean Town
Lalendra
Epic Fial
North/Thomas of the Tiels
Null
Chisa
Aubrey
Flavor Leaf/Assemblerotws
Lean Scum
Awoo - They are just giving a lot of false info.
Flubber/Cheeky - IDK why you would rather lynch Comm over me, but I find it weird that you have the opposite stance than Cheeky had. Cheeky was just like ObvScum to me. They OMGUSed and then said it was a reaction test. I don't buy that line. Besides that Cheeky didn't really do much.
Comm - I don't think I have seen a single reason stated for why this guy is Town, but he goes on and on about how he should be a Town read. His whole narrative is completely fucked up and amounts to "I'm good at this game which is why you shouldn't lynch me." Fuck that noise.
In post 48, Awoo wrote:Why would you post that, quick? You should know RVS wagons are for gathering information, not for quicklynching.I am going to VOTE: Awoo for piling onto an easy wagon formed during the shitposting phase. Scum love easy lynches.
Nice, looks like the game is on, baby
VOTE: Quick
In post 64, Awoo wrote:I hopped off of a random wagon onto a serious vote. Got a problem with that, collegeboy?
Not to mention jamiett has a towny vote on me. Even though he's completely wrong about the site meta, it's a town thought process.
In post 280, Awoo wrote:why would something be less or more scummy at the start of the game?
--- I've come to expect naked votes early in the game as a way to end RVS and gain reactions. A naked vote at this point in the game could mean any number of things, some of which may be scummy. As an example.
In post 164, Awoo wrote:I'll take this opportunity to make a triple post and call you out, maki, what I'm seeing from your post is a long list of items that independently, when all context is removed, are scummy. I don't see the drive to actually find scum in this post, since you're not digging past anything but the surface level and trying to find motivations, rather, you are looking for excuses.
VOTE: Maki
In post 287, Awoo wrote:Quick, you're doing a lot of defending/townreading, do you have any other scumreads besides cheeky?
In post 289, Quick wrote:In post 287, Awoo wrote:Quick, you're doing a lot of defending/townreading, do you have any other scumreads besides cheeky?
IDK where you are getting this from. In my last few posts I have pointed out things I didn't like from North, Epic, and Jamie as well. So no, I don't think all I am doing is defending/Townreading people.
In post 318, Awoo wrote:Depends on the game, but this one is exceptionally slow. A week in and only 13 pages.
Hey maki? This is what complaining about slowness and not doing anything looks like.
In post 319, Awoo wrote:oh shit I did it again, that quote is from lalendra
In post 333, Awoo wrote:Lalendra is playing exactly like a scum IC in a newbie game LOL
In post 349, Awoo wrote:This game is for the most part an exception, jamie, pretend all the people that never posted once and replaced out don't exist. Noobs that signed up then left the website.
In post 384, Awoo wrote:I thought that strategy was foolproof
In post 429, Awoo wrote:If he's flat out saying he's VT and he's scum then how does that help scum narrow the pool?
In post 468, Awoo wrote:Jamie is becoming a policy lynch.
A policy lynch that I support.
VOTE: jamiet99uk
Because otherwise it's too obvious who's getting mason'd, and that's bad. At least when we remove this from the game there is a good layer of ambiguity who the copshot lands on.
Is it bad if I think this slot isn't reaaaaaaly going to flip scum? I don't think this lynch is terrible for town as we also get some info on who's on wagons and stuff, who pushed him throughout the day, etc. But I don't reaaaly think it's going to flip scum.
A lot of my scumreads are on this wagon and I feel bad in that regard but read above.
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In post 507, Awoo wrote:You know, I just taking a shower and I was thinking to myself "Wait a minute, in hindsight that post I just made was antitown as hell. How did no one vote me for it?"
[unv][/unv] let me read for a sec before I vote again
In post 508, Awoo wrote:UNVOTE: oof
In post 512, Awoo wrote:VOTE: Quick Nope, votes on my wagon look good. Except for quick. 344 was just a wagon building vote. Your vote on me is just a wagon building vote. 352 is weak reasoning for joining the wagon. Like the other guy said, it's a weak hypothetical that relies on... what? I like him for scum here.
You vote him since his content is not deep enough but he's pretty town though? voting, pressuring for good reasons. I was just despairing in my post over jamie being doomed not to live to endgame because of silly/annoying things he does and that town won't look past that. But we can though, you know? So I'm happy I made that post.
In post 523, Awoo wrote:Okay, but really cheeky,I said that post was scummy as hell not you're scum. That's a suicide post if you are. Main reason I townread you is because of your response to my meta argument. Scum don't say "don't townread me" lol. Yes I am all over the place I'm in too many games :/ but I don't want to replace and be that guy. I think 3 should be my limit.
Do scum really not say "don't townread me"? That's reaaaaly not that hard to fake, considering the result I got out of it.
When you say my post is scummy as hell, ok you're not wrong, but what do you really mean by it if you're townreading me? What does this add to the game? This just reads like you have are looking at the game through an informed point of view to me. See this post in here for an example of what I mean. (taken from my scumgame, you were there)
For the record my vote on jamie wasn't supposed to be a reaction test, just a classic LapseInJudgement (TM)
VOTE: Cheeky
In post 531, Awoo wrote:I've got no grudge against you if that's what you want to believe, cheeky. But maybe I do have some issues with your play.
I just called your read on me weak and I explained why. You respond with "ehh, i'll just troll you, you're town btw". Believe me, I'm trying to find some reason to townread you so you aren't just a wasted day 1 lynch like you say you usually are, but if you're just going to give up what's the point?
Your read on me reads like it comes from an informed perspective. Your post about me reads flippantly. Can't you do anything remotely town-motivated?
And now quick is onto questioning you, getting ready for a hop on himself, so maybe I am off the mark on voting you. But shit man, it's not town's job to act high and mighty "don't question my reading methods" "i'll just troll you, you're so stupid cant you see im town?" then blame town for mislynching them when it inevitably happens, and you need to get that through your towngame's head. Yes you are antitown. I don't know what you look like as scum.
VOTE: Quick
In post 533, Awoo wrote:Instead of looking for scummy posts I am looking for scum.
In post 535, Awoo wrote:Yeah. Whatever's popular, you're on it. This is my observation.
In post 537, Awoo wrote:Because a new opportunity arose and the jamie wagon was collapsing? Why did you even ask this?
In post 541, Awoo wrote:In post 538, Quick wrote:In post 515, Lalendra wrote:Sigh. I really don't want to townread Jamie after all that, but UNVOTE:
I already had some doubt, and his last few posts felt very Towny to me. And now I'm back at square one.
Was it you before who didn't want to unvote and kept their vote on someone because you didn't know where else to stick it? Why unvote now? What changed?
SvS
In post 549, Awoo wrote:CHOO CHOO
In post 553, Awoo wrote:Lalendra & quick both premium lynches 2day
In post 556, Awoo wrote:It's not impossible, jamie. They've done nothing to convince me otherwise.
In post 627, Awoo wrote:If we don't lynch quick today I am going to deathtunnel him
In post 741, CommKnight wrote:In post 740, Quick wrote:For Comm, I don't think he ever really says he should be town read, but I can totally see him using like some kinda subliminal messaging which is trying to push the agenda that he is Town.
Go ahead and ISO him and search "Town".
On that argument, ISO me and search "Scum". It comes up more often... But you know. Don't want to tell the FULL story to yet another shitty push on me.
In post 813, lucca261 wrote:I would love a Jamie lynch today. In fact, I won't be here in the deadline, so this is probably my last post today:
VOTE: Jamie. vote it, quick, there are no reason whatsoever you can think it's a town slot. no reason.
look at this reaction to the fake hammer. look at how he wants to be excused for the hammer he was about to do. he knew quick was flipping town. his 790 is just making that not so obvious.
In post 847, northsidegal wrote:In post 844, Jamiet99uk wrote:Of the 4 people currently voting me, Lalendra thinks I might be town and is basically policy lynching me for being "rude". Jeebus, don't be such a petal.
The other three I ask this question: Did you see my post about my gambit to draw the NK (which you have all now fucked) and if you did see it, doesn't my behaviour make more sense now? Was such a gambit just too complex for the regimented "you-must-play-our-way" attitude some of you seem to have? Because I don't care about your site meta.
seconding this point - i read what you said you were trying to do and had an instant moment of "oh, that makes sense". if there are people who believe jamie's behavior earlier this game is due to incompetence or to scum awkwardness, to reconcile that view and this claimed strategy you would have to believe that in the time period between then and now jamie gained enough knowledge of the game or experience to both realize how awkard what he was saying sounded and to come up with a believable explanation for it. i think the far simpler and more likely answer is that it was a planned strategy, as claimed. it just makes a lot of sense looking back that it was a deliberate attempt to put forward a newbie image. of course, it's not as if this strategy couldn't have come from scum, but again - i'd say the far more likely answer is that it shows a town thought process / motivation.
relevant quotes:In post 421, Jamiet99uk wrote:In post 417, Lalendra wrote:In post 410, Jamiet99uk wrote:Excellent.
The reaction to my challenge to CommKnight was very interesting. Everyone who said it was a bad idea is entirely correct. Of course I don't want CommKnight to commit to suiciding if he's town and gets his D1 read wrong. That would be a waste.
My intention in proposing this apparently mad idea was twofold. First of all, to dissuade CommKnight from being too cocky about his gut, and anyone else from just slavishly following him. Secondly, I wanted too see people's reactions. I'm going to spend some time assessing those later today.
For the record I do stand by my assertion that a VT should not be afraid to die. A VT dying is not as good as scum dying, for sure - but it's way better than a PR dying. Plus, flips are informative. A lot of people have interacted with me today and if I died, those interactions could provide many clues.
That said, all things considered I'd prefer to stay alive, and I'm definitely town, so if you've got a good scumread, go for them - and tell us why. It's time to start bringing this phase home, my fellow townsfolk.
1) Not sure if I believe this was all a ploy, or if this is backpedaling and "I MEANT TO DO THAT."
2) Remember how we were trying not to out the masons? Saying you're VT is narrowing the pool. We already talked about this. Stahp.
3) "I'm definitely town, fellow townsfolk" is the most LAMIST post I've ever seen.
I'm not trying to out the Masons or narrow the pool. Maybe you are.In post 425, Jamiet99uk wrote:@Lalendra: You're mistaken about what I'm trying to do. I'm not scum.In post 447, Jamiet99uk wrote:In post 446, Lalendra wrote:Yes, my continuing to push you on things you've said and refuse to defend, and calling you out on your unwillingness to explain yourself, is obviously just unfounded tunneling.
Perhaps your intention is well-founded and you just have no idea what I might be doing, but it's still tunnelling and it's not very helpful at this point. It's just becoming repetitious.
In post 903, Jamiet99uk wrote:
It wasn't a naked vote. He voted to see if Awoo would have the courage of her convictions. It says so right there in Flubber's post.
In post 928, lucca261 wrote:why am I being voted again? doesn't matter, it's not happening.
let's go where we should've gone last day:
VOTE: Lalendra
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I love how Lalendra and Awoo immediately accepted Comm sugestion, of lynching outside of the potential mislynches, never once stopping to think that Comm could've scum intentions to post that. That, combined with my prior suspicions about Lalendra, makes me sure that she should be the vote for today. And North was a probable member on a Lalendra wagon today, even if people does not associate this fact with North. If I'm suddenly not lazy, I might very well make a big case on her. But for this point, this is enough.
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hey, Jamie, where's all your content? and was that a naked vote? a naked vote, jamie? we had discussions about that.
In post 944, Aubrey wrote:In post 940, Quick wrote:In post 928, lucca261 wrote:why am I being voted again? doesn't matter, it's not happening.
let's go where we should've gone last day:
VOTE: Lalendra
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I love how Lalendra and Awoo immediately accepted Comm sugestion, of lynching outside of the potential mislynches, never once stopping to think that Comm could've scum intentions to post that. That, combined with my prior suspicions about Lalendra, makes me sure that she should be the vote for today. And North was a probable member on a Lalendra wagon today, even if people does not associate this fact with North. If I'm suddenly not lazy, I might very well make a big case on her. But for this point, this is enough.
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hey, Jamie, where's all your content? and was that a naked vote? a naked vote, jamie? we had discussions about that.
I'm not completely sold on Lalendra. I need more of a case than this. I will say that she isn't really explaining... well, anything really, but that's here meta IIRC. So give me something good and maybe I will consider it. I will say that I think Comm is either Scum or full of himself so there is no way I am going to sheep him on you.
Real talk, you say explaining/doing little to nothing is Lalendra's meta (which is lynch-able regardless IMO). I tell you Comm being egotistical, loud mouthed, proud about his reads, and uses grouping/associatives to solve the game is his meta. Do you suddenly believe me that he is maybe town based on that? Prob, not. So if you want me to believe him scum, you'll need to give me something good and maybe I'll consider it.
In post 950, Aubrey wrote:In post 947, Quick wrote:Besides that, his whole theory on who is Scum is pretty much a shot in the dark because it doesn't really point to anyone specific except who he chose out of a hat if you are to believe he is being truthful when he voted for Lucca. Beyond that, pretty much everything he says is baseless and we shouldn't really just take him at his word because if you start just trusting gut then you lose every time you play against a decent Scum player who uses gut. It just does not make sense to listen to anything Comm says really.
I'll agree he could do some more frontal work with explaining, even if he were to say something like "tonal read," but having played with him, I'm not overly shocked. Ask and he'll usually be glad to explain deeper, but you need to be specific. I never said we should take him at his word, nor blindly follow him, but he is a somewhat competent player. I think I've said this once in a round about way, but it's best to hold him to a certain degree of standards regarding those reads, and just watch how they are pushed. I'd say more, but should he actually be scum, I'd rather him not know any more than what I've already said.
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This is probably a topic for another thread, but I'd argue gut is better than logical analysis. It's just harder to push those cases, and even harder to have self belief in those gut feelings at times.
In post 963, Lalendra wrote:Kayyyy, still town.
In post 983, Lalendra wrote:So what do you mean when you say "what you went over"? You went over a lot of things during the course of the game.
In post 895, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 891, Lalendra wrote:It wasn't that I didn't see your point, it was that I had already stated that it was a gut read, so fishing for more concrete reasons is fruitless when I already admitted that I didn't have them. I was pretty transparent when I said that it was a gut read so your digging is pointless. Blood and turnips and what-have-you.
Yeah, and that is YOUR fault for not having good enough reasons that I can't counter. The burden of proof is on you. I say this as a matter of speaking and not literally, but the point is the same. YOU claimed I was Scum so YOU have to show WHY I am Scum otherwise your read means nothing because as I earlier stated, anyone can claim any gut read on anyone and it shouldn't convince anyone of anything. What is stopping Scum from giving a gut read like this that you have given? A: Nothing.
In post 1035, CommKnight wrote:In post 1029, Maki Harukawa wrote:In post 1025, CommKnight wrote:Also note: The resistance to voting Maki. Sure some town won't want them dead, but why so much resistance? Surely scum would want them dead if I were wrong.
I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of people tr me or are scared to vote me. But this way of thinking is interesting tell me more.
This way of thinking nabs me scum that other people TR for stupid reasons that can be faked more than a... I'm not going to finish that sentence because it's not appropriate.
But it's effective. It's unorthodox and it works.
If you got time to question it, you got time to look at the names and figure it out. I'd be actually impressed if someone figured out my thought here without me explaining it when it's over. Like they'd need some serious detective work.
It's 100% possible I'm wrong but it's 99% probable I'm not.
Fastposted by Quick. I don't know. He's being stupid enough to be town. I don't think he realizes there's a pretty solid town bloc forming and it's not going to be long before scum are left out of it. I could see him flipping either alignment though.
In post 1041, CommKnight wrote:@Quick, how do you read me right now on town/scum scale. Fuck what you think about my play, what do you think of my alignment?
In post 1043, CommKnight wrote:In post 1042, Quick wrote:In post 1041, CommKnight wrote:@Quick, how do you read me right now on town/scum scale. Fuck what you think about my play, what do you think of my alignment?
I can tell you it would prolly be a can of worms that you most likely don't want to hear. If you insist, I'll let you know what I think of your play.
10/10, would suggest reading again. My play might be different from what you're use to, but your reading comprehension isn't different than what I'm use to in these situations. We can do this again from D1, where I re-quote myself and narrow down the sentences so that you see what you missed.
If you insist.... we can do this all day long, I know I ain't gonna get tired.
In post 1048, CommKnight wrote:Comm: "What do you think of my alignment"
Quick: "I'll tell you what I think of your play"
Comm: "A-L-I-G-N-M-E-N-T"
Quick: "Well I can't talk about your alignment without mentioning your play."
Upcoming Comm Post: "Town-Neutral-Scum... YEP, VERY HARD TO TALK ABOUT WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT PLAY".
The only thing stopping you from you saying what you think my alignment is, is yourself. Stop bullshitting people and say it for fuck sake.
Where's Flavor and Awoo by the way? Been over 2 days for both of them. Out of 11 of us, only 5 have posted within the past 24 hours. It is only going stale because some people are completely missing from these conversations and only pop in to mention how dead it is. How about having something to say and saying it fully and help the game get going instead of being part of the problem?
In post 1052, Flubbernugget wrote:Well from your perspective you should have seen yourself as a counterwagon to comm at the very least. If you know your alignment is town, you should be able to formulate some sort of read on comm from that.
Also weren't you voting him yesterday?
In post 1062, Quick wrote:In post 1052, Flubbernugget wrote:Well from your perspective you should have seen yourself as a counterwagon to comm at the very least. If you know your alignment is town, you should be able to formulate some sort of read on comm from that.
Also weren't you voting him yesterday?
This argument already relies on knowing Comm is Town.
VOTE: Flubber
In post 1066, Flubbernugget wrote:There's no associatives in my push. It's a description of how town would be thinking, which is different from how you're thinking.
In post 1074, Flubbernugget wrote:Quick, I'm not assuming comm pre flipped.
If you're going to be so adamant about that paradigm, I'm saying you should be able to use yourself as a pre-flip to make some sort of attempt to read comm since you should know your own alignment.
In post 1084, Lalendra wrote:In post 1077, CommKnight wrote:@Flubber, I'm just going to let you deal with Quick. I already got my opinion of him, I townread him, I'm leaving it at that. If I begin digging into him, it's going to be a back-and-forth toxic fight and I'm not putting up with that this game.
@Aubrey, well, we both seem to agree on Chisa mostly there. (Also Flubber and Awoo for being among the least scummy). If we get a scum flip from my list, I'll explain it out tomorrow of why I think it's highly unprobable of 2 scum being in any one pairings I made. But some of it is relying a bit on a gambler's fallacy. Except, unlike a regular gambler, I'm usually in the ballpark of being spot on.
I see Maki is not quite your scum read, but isn't quite your town read. Which I'll give you points for, for being honest there. I'd be willing to compromsie onto Chisa for today. If Chisa flips scum, in my mind it'd clear both Awoo's slot and Epic. Plus Chisa hasn't been a big help as of late even if we end up mislynching this. I'm sorta hoping scum fear kills me or kills outside of my suspect pool in hopes to not make this easier, when in fact I'm already processing possible motives for multiple kills tonight.
If we're in a chess game, right now I have the mafia in Check with 3 moves to Check-Mate. I can almost guarantee not killing me would be the biggest mistake they make tonight.
I'm not sure I understand the reason behind posting this. I understand that you're confident and that's cool but why are you baiting the NK?
I could still be down for a Quick lynch.
VOTE: Quick
In post 1093, Quick wrote:In post 1084, Lalendra wrote:In post 1077, CommKnight wrote:@Flubber, I'm just going to let you deal with Quick. I already got my opinion of him, I townread him, I'm leaving it at that. If I begin digging into him, it's going to be a back-and-forth toxic fight and I'm not putting up with that this game.
@Aubrey, well, we both seem to agree on Chisa mostly there. (Also Flubber and Awoo for being among the least scummy). If we get a scum flip from my list, I'll explain it out tomorrow of why I think it's highly unprobable of 2 scum being in any one pairings I made. But some of it is relying a bit on a gambler's fallacy. Except, unlike a regular gambler, I'm usually in the ballpark of being spot on.
I see Maki is not quite your scum read, but isn't quite your town read. Which I'll give you points for, for being honest there. I'd be willing to compromsie onto Chisa for today. If Chisa flips scum, in my mind it'd clear both Awoo's slot and Epic. Plus Chisa hasn't been a big help as of late even if we end up mislynching this. I'm sorta hoping scum fear kills me or kills outside of my suspect pool in hopes to not make this easier, when in fact I'm already processing possible motives for multiple kills tonight.
If we're in a chess game, right now I have the mafia in Check with 3 moves to Check-Mate. I can almost guarantee not killing me would be the biggest mistake they make tonight.
I'm not sure I understand the reason behind posting this. I understand that you're confident and that's cool but why are you baiting the NK?
I could still be down for a Quick lynch.
VOTE: Quick
Lalendra, you never answered my question directed to you, why not?
In post 984, Quick wrote:In post 983, Lalendra wrote:So what do you mean when you say "what you went over"? You went over a lot of things during the course of the game.
This:In post 895, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 891, Lalendra wrote:It wasn't that I didn't see your point, it was that I had already stated that it was a gut read, so fishing for more concrete reasons is fruitless when I already admitted that I didn't have them. I was pretty transparent when I said that it was a gut read so your digging is pointless. Blood and turnips and what-have-you.
Yeah, and that is YOUR fault for not having good enough reasons that I can't counter. The burden of proof is on you. I say this as a matter of speaking and not literally, but the point is the same. YOU claimed I was Scum so YOU have to show WHY I am Scum otherwise your read means nothing because as I earlier stated, anyone can claim any gut read on anyone and it shouldn't convince anyone of anything. What is stopping Scum from giving a gut read like this that you have given? A: Nothing.
In post 1141, Lalendra wrote:Quick, you keep telling me to respond to your question when I already did. As I said before, if my answer wasn't enough for you, please rephrase the question because I answered it as I understood it.
And since I'm probably getting lynched anyway I'm just going to VOTE: Awoo
In post 1156, Not Known 15 wrote:
This is scum trying to push a counter-wagon.
Horrid reasoning and excuse from both.
VOTE: Chisa Yukizome
Epic Fial and Chisa Yukizome are scum.
In post 1162, CommKnight wrote:Like every time Quick posts, he has this aura around him like he thinks he's the smartest thing since sliced bread, then his post just keeps showing that to be wrong.
In post 1184, Chisa Yukizome wrote:oh okay it makes since with the edit
also if I wanted to just push someone I could just push
say
fial
like that's a really really surface level "frame while actually killing"
In post 1191, Epic Fial wrote:Lol I'm bored with haiku technique. Obv frame is obv. On the other hand, unless there is scum on NK's scumlist then he would presumably have been more valuable alive to scum. Killing him seems to indicate he was onto something. At the moment I don't have a clear picture of who that might be. To be honest, though, I have reason to believe both he and scum have been quite unobservant this game. My reason for saying that is something I don't want to disclose right now. Even now i remain suspicious of Comm. I notice on his colour-coded VC he doesn't even notice I have two votes recorded. My votes on him and Lalendra. So if he is really looking for scum that is quite a thing to miss. Obviously it's not damning in itself, but it's not nothing. That's about all i have right now. One thing i urgently need to do is reread. When i have some time today I will. Now I'm going to be busy for a few hours at least.
In post 1193, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s a frame kill.
VOTE: Quick
I imagine it was expected of me to tunnel onto Chisa, tbh all while keeping everyone on the Lalendra wagon alive, which means multiple scum are on the wagon, which was known due to the obvious nature of it being a compromise wagon.
In post 1196, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 1194, Quick wrote:In post 1193, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s a frame kill.
VOTE: Quick
I imagine it was expected of me to tunnel onto Chisa, tbh all while keeping everyone on the Lalendra wagon alive, which means multiple scum are on the wagon, which was known due to the obvious nature of it being a compromise wagon.
Interesting perspective considering Awoo wanted me dead.
?? Awoo was one of the biggest reasons D1 was a no lynch
In post 1231, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 1204, Flubbernugget wrote:I wasn't hard sold on lalendra being scum (I listed my scum team later that day too) and compromise lynches are for the sake of flips, making them likely to land on town
This town is very uncooperative with each other. Scum doesn't want that to change, so it's in their interest to kill someone who wasn't changing the state of the game much.
Hey look at that it's the answers to the questions I didn't answer
In post 1233, CommKnight wrote:(Whoops, posted before I finished).
Anyway, I early townread Chisa. So I'm going to go with the guy that has been constantly pushing bad pushes and has contributed very little.
VOTE: Epic
Group A? Check. 50% followed by a 33-66% chance? Check. Low grade content and voting? Double check.
He's scum.
In post 1248, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 1240, Quick wrote:In post 1231, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 1204, Flubbernugget wrote:I wasn't hard sold on lalendra being scum (I listed my scum team later that day too) and compromise lynches are for the sake of flips, making them likely to land on town
This town is very uncooperative with each other. Scum doesn't want that to change, so it's in their interest to kill someone who wasn't changing the state of the game much.
Hey look at that it's the answers to the questions I didn't answer
Great, than you lynched town because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Why is there no wagon on a player trying to promote two back to back no lynches
In post 1293, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1291, Epic Fial wrote:In post 1276, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1275, CommKnight wrote:@Flavor, I'm sorta mixed on you. One hand, there's a high likelyhood you're scum (but if Flubber were to flip sucm then I'd reverse that read), but what do you think of Epic? Is he town in your eyes?
Unlike Quick, I think his case he is building on me is scum taking advantage of my lack of attentiveness to this game. I’m a reaction test player, so I knew eventually if I kept doing pointless nonsensical things (i felt it was pretty obvious I was disassociated from this game) that scum somewhere would try to take advantage of it. I just had to sift through town seeing it as scummy, and scum taking the opportunity. People voting me gets me invested in the game, so now I’m here, and starting to see things.
So on what basis are you doing this sorting? Sounds like an excuse to sort any way that helps your (probably scum) wincon...
So this is actually a Freudian slip. The way he phrased it, the helps my “probably scum” wincon means that in doing so, there’s the possibility of doing what I did to help out my town wincon as well, but that makes his entire argument moot and NAI in that sense because if you can see it being done either alignment, which the word, that one word probably, means he sees/knows that it is happening from a town perspective. He pushes it completely as scum reasoning yet contradicts himself directly due to having insider knowledge.
I don’t think most people would notice this, but for me that locks it in.
In post 1324, CommKnight wrote:In post 1059, CommKnight wrote:1 scum in: <Flavor, Flubber>
1 scum in: <Maki, Lale>
1 scum in: <Chisa, Awoo, Epic>
I'm going to keep this list fresh, because I think it's dead on and if I'm killed, it might be worth considering exactly why.
<Falvor, Flubber>
<Maki>
<Chisa, Epic>
^ Still betting this is right.
In post 1329, MathBlade wrote:In post 1327, Quick wrote:
I was reading Maki as Town early, but I expected them to pick up some better content. I was thinking that they were just feeling things out. That better solvay content never really came, which is a disappointment.
VOTE: Maki
YOLO.
Comm Epic Quick
Damn was waaay too fast to rule that Quick was Town holy fuck that is a bad post.
In post 1343, MathBlade wrote:
Want to know a secret?
That doesn't answer my question.
In post 1350, CommKnight wrote:Hell, I'll 1v1 Maki. If only for the fact that if town doesn't listen to me today, they sure as hell won't listen to me tomorrow when we will need 3 correct lynches in a row.
Also if this was LYLO Math, with you saying you're off to work, you'd leave a big window open for scum to hammer without much resistance.
In post 1357, MathBlade wrote:In post 1356, CommKnight wrote:In post 1355, Aubrey wrote:I came in expecting to read a comment or two on break only to be greeted by pages. Will read in depth later. Scrolling quickly seems to be a Comm and Math bicker battle that I doubt will be overly enjoyable to read.
It's not enjoyable. Feel free to skip it. Summary is Math makes up bullshit that can be answered if he reads the thread and I get annoyed with it and call him out on it.
Vote Maki.
It is very enjoyable. Please read it first. Summary is Comm Knight can't take being pressured so anyone who pushes Comm Knight "sucks". He gets annoyed by me pointing out contradictions in his "consistency".
Voting Maki doesn't end well. Back off. Now.
In post 1368, MathBlade wrote:So? I don't see anything scum wouldn't do. Or that I haven't done as scum.
He is showing emotion. So what?
Telling what you believe to be the truth (or just the truth in the case of scum) is not alignment indicative else every game I have I would be Town.
Help me to see what you see. What this reads as to me is desperate scum and the fact neither of the two were lynched to me is suspicious.
In post 1376, MathBlade wrote:In post 1375, Quick wrote:In post 1368, MathBlade wrote:So? I don't see anything scum wouldn't do. Or that I haven't done as scum.
He is showing emotion. So what?
Telling what you believe to be the truth (or just the truth in the case of scum) is not alignment indicative else every game I have I would be Town.
HitHelp me to see what you see. What this reads as to me is desperate scum and the fact neither of the two were lynched to me is suspicious.
Miss.
Stuff like that.
Okay...Let's assume that the consensus is I am a shitty Town player.
Instead of saying "I suck" help me better. Don't just say "Miss" or "Its math" tell me what I can do better. Connect the dots.
In post 1378, CommKnight wrote:My read on Lucca's slot (Math) is wavering. Lucca was almost lock-town for me. I mean I know Math can tunnel people and push town, he regularly does this. But this just feels fake. It doesn't even seem like he's trying to look at people. There's 3 scum and he's so dead-set on me being scum that he's failing to reason out who would have to be my two partners.
Even in Maki's quote I was looking at Maki and Epic since D1. I'm beginning to see a Maki, Epic, and Math team potential.
In post 1382, MathBlade wrote:In post 1377, Quick wrote:In post 1376, MathBlade wrote:In post 1375, Quick wrote:In post 1368, MathBlade wrote:So? I don't see anything scum wouldn't do. Or that I haven't done as scum.
He is showing emotion. So what?
Telling what you believe to be the truth (or just the truth in the case of scum) is not alignment indicative else every game I have I would be Town.
HitHelp me to see what you see. What this reads as to me is desperate scum and the fact neither of the two were lynched to me is suspicious.
Miss.
Stuff like that.
Okay...Let's assume that the consensus is I am a shitty Town player.
Instead of saying "I suck" help me better. Don't just say "Miss" or "Its math" tell me what I can do better. Connect the dots.
"Help me see what you see." Terrible tone. Far fetched reasoning with more bad tone.
Tone can't be good or bad. That is emotion. Reasoning far fetched << Why do you think this? If you feel my reasoning is bad tell me why.
In post 1384, MathBlade wrote:In post 1383, Quick wrote:In post 1382, MathBlade wrote:In post 1377, Quick wrote:In post 1376, MathBlade wrote:In post 1375, Quick wrote:In post 1368, MathBlade wrote:So? I don't see anything scum wouldn't do. Or that I haven't done as scum.
He is showing emotion. So what?
Telling what you believe to be the truth (or just the truth in the case of scum) is not alignment indicative else every game I have I would be Town.
HitHelp me to see what you see. What this reads as to me is desperate scum and the fact neither of the two were lynched to me is suspicious.
Miss.
Stuff like that.
Okay...Let's assume that the consensus is I am a shitty Town player.
Instead of saying "I suck" help me better. Don't just say "Miss" or "Its math" tell me what I can do better. Connect the dots.
"Help me see what you see." Terrible tone. Far fetched reasoning with more bad tone.
Tone can't be good or bad. That is emotion. Reasoning far fetched << Why do you think this? If you feel my reasoning is bad tell me why.
Lack of doubt.
That isn't a logical flaw.
It can be argued I am arrogant fine. That doesn't mean wrong or far fetched.
I am damn sure 2+2 is 4.
Should I doubt that?
Get specific.
Tell me what on my read is wrong. Show me what specifically I am doing wrong.
In post 1386, MathBlade wrote:Obviously you disagree with my scumread of you.
Obviously you disagree with my scumread of Comm and still haven't followed up with Comm despite my insistence that you should have with your question. Instead you sheep him. What specifically in your reads, not math, am I missing? What makes you not push him?
What specifically makes you not talk about Epic?
What specifically is "Miss" about my play/style here?
In post 1389, MathBlade wrote:In post 1387, Quick wrote:In post 1386, MathBlade wrote:Obviously you disagree with my scumread of you.
Obviously you disagree with my scumread of Comm and still haven't followed up with Comm despite my insistence that you should have with your question. Instead you sheep him. What specifically in your reads, not math, am I missing? What makes you not push him?
What specifically makes you not talk about Epic?
What specifically is "Miss" about my play/style here?
I have been pushing him.
He doesn't respond. That is for Town to figure out.
If you're Town (again I doubt this) you have an opinion on this. Elaborate on your opinion. When I am trying to read you saying it's Town's problem to read Comm Knight and therefore not yours that is bad. Tell me what YOU think of Comm Knight's play since YOU are sheeping and pushing him two differing reads.
In post 1391, Aubrey wrote:So, the flood gates shall continue to pour.
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Just know you've entered a relatively lazy game. If you continue flooding like you are, you'll drown out what little voice some people have. Not only that, but can also add to the general laziness that is already occurring. Basically activity is good, but over-activity is bad.
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Play as you wish, but consider the above. Personally I'm still way behind, and having been designing behind a computer screen since early in the morning, I really don't care nor look forward to critically reading this mass of info. You'll be lucky if I read half or 3/4ths tonight.
In post 1433, MathBlade wrote:In post 1428, Quick wrote:VOTE: Flavor
He isn't doing anything Pro-Town. He's just saying he would lynch certain people or not lynch certain people. No Scum hunting.
Neither are you. Otherwise you'd either answer my question about your read on Comm Knight or admit you don't and then quit sheeping him as people don't sheep null reads.
In post 1450, MathBlade wrote:And those aren't reasons Flavor is scum.
They could be you don't buy that Flavor spent time offline on the case which is NAI.
Why do you scumread Flavor enough to be your top scumread?
In post 1449, Aubrey wrote:In post 1296, Aubrey wrote:I could buy into being busy in RL for a window in time. I could buy into not being motivated for a window of time. Your window of time though has been a major portion of the game. furthermore, I don't buy that it was a planned decision to actively lurk in order to help you place players through reaction testing. Like the annoying math teachers in my old high school days, you need to show the work, and I'm not seeing it. The only thing I see, is you going after the first person to really call you out on anything for survival. <--- aka this reads more as "Oh shit time to push back on the fly" rather than "I've been collecting data on how people recieve me, and here are my results now that my wagon is generated"
In post 1465, Flavor Leaf wrote:Maki is in the nether regions for me.
In post 1473, Flavor Leaf wrote:If Maki is scum, and on flubber, that would make Math be pushing a town Flubber, meaning Comm and Flubber probably are on the correct path. I can’t really tell who on my wagon is scum from the low hanging fruit, because Quick can always just be poor town.
Well, Math, I’m town.
VOTE: Maki
I hope you guys see why there is no scenario where ScumFlavor votes Maki here....it puts us in a direct counterwagon at best, if Math goes along side with me, and Maki is the deciding factor.
In post 1495, Aubrey wrote:Just finished page 54. Whiskey and Coke sound great right about now.