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[Apple Jack]

I’ve pointed out every scummy thing you’ve done and told people to lynch you at least half a dozen times.

Want me to quote all the times i tell people we should lynch to? Easily half a dozen. Maybe even a dozen.

Fucking troll scum you are

Your reasons aren't convincing many. Why aren't you concerned over that and asking what makes them not want to vote me? Just spitting out words doesn't mean you're fully pushing me. You're not engaging with me. You take everything I say and fit to your own narrative

Well I can’t help stupid. I give reasons if people ignore them that’s on them. I’ve done all I can day 1

[Apple Jack]

I've tried helping town.

No you haven’t.

[Apple Jack]

I wanted something clarified from you

Something already clarified which means you were faking ignorance. It would be rude to actually call you stupid cause I seriously doubt you are.

[Apple Jack]

If you were town, you'd be more interested in proving me scum and getting me lynched

What part of my opening post confuses you still?

This is the fake ignorance I’m talking about.

[Apple Jack]

See, Derpy cannot explain how I'm scum. He's floundering

Except I’ve made many posts giving reasons why you are scum. 1202 is probably a summary of everything that I have already said prior to that post.

Adding in the fact that you basically asked for a claim and tried to discredit him AND somebody who said they don’t want to lynch a pr claim day 1.

That’s plenty of reasons. I don’t need to give anymore.

So go shove your floundering accusation up your ass scum

[Apple Jack]

And if I’m wrong and you aren’t actually scum. This is exactly the reason why I want to not do anything without flips.

Day 1 based on what I personally perceive as scummy is going to result in a death tunnel. I’m death tunneling now and I’m not even voting. Just imagine how more annoying I’d be if I actually voted you and tried really hard to get you lynched.

That’s why I’m trying to sit back day one so if you are town piss off and play better cause if we are alive day 2 you are going to hate it. Everyone will

[Apple Jack]

And oooh your fake gladiator claim didn’t scare me. People need to grow up and stop stupid reaction tests that don’t work.

[Apple Jack]

No it’s not. But voting me when you are already voting me is stupid

[Apple Jack]

Scum is trying to figure out what their next move is

[Apple Jack]

That sucks dude. Why not replace out and not worry about mafia

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: Derpy
You are absolutely full of crap this game. Just because someone does a reaction test doesn't mean everything they say from that point on is inherently full of shit, and that's not even getting into the rest of your crap this game. You're confbiasing too hard on Boon and Why for a goddamn RVS reaction test, and I wish I could say that was a surprise.

I don’t even think you’re reading this game cause that’s not true at all. I moved them both back to null. They did stuff later to put them back to scummy. That’s not conf.bias. That’s scum hunting

[Apple Jack]

For the love of god please lynch whymafia after I’m lynched.

Thanks.

[Apple Jack]

Why the fuck would you ever EVER waste an "invest" on this type of claim. That is awful awful strategy

He’s not thinking like a townie.

I keep telling you guys dude has to be scum. Literally itching he’s done has been helpful

[Apple Jack]

Nothing*

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Idk what happened but I’m disappointed that 1. The wagon came off me and 2. The wagon didn’t go on whymafia

[Apple Jack]

Yeah how is misrepping what’s happening town?

[Apple Jack]

And Im saying derp is scum IRL, not ingame lol

Fuck you

[Apple Jack]

I’d be ok with a taco lynch. He’s not playing how town should.

[Apple Jack]

And Im saying derp is scum IRL, not ingame lol

Fuck you

HONESTLY GTFO. YOUR RUDENESS IS NOT WANTED HERE

He called me scum irl which is a personal attack on me. Attack my play not me personally.

[Apple Jack]

I’d be ok with a taco lynch. He’s not playing how town should.

I may not be good at digging for information, but i am good at drawing attention and make people make cases and arguments so that way you people, who are good at digging information and analyzing arguments can use those resources to win us the game. if you read all my other games you will see the exact same shit.

All you’ve done is vote hop and be useless and basically make yourself difficult to analyze which means more toward a scum benefit not a town one.

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Just lynch me. Then y’all can lose the game without me

[Apple Jack]

gamedays shouldn't take this long yeah

I said this a while back. If town doesn’t want to lynching obv scum then just pick somebody and roll with it.

[Apple Jack]

Klaxzam regardless of your alignment never play with me again

[Apple Jack]

Klaxzam regardless of your alignment never play with me again

but yet i can?! AWESOME!

Oh we probably won’t be playing any games together if I can help it

[Apple Jack]

Klaxzam regardless of your alignment never play with me again

Based on what, if you do not mind?

Personal attack on me

[Apple Jack]

I want a case on why Derp is scum

The votes on me were 3 PL votes and 1 Omgus vote.

They weren’t voting me because they think I’m scum. They are voting me cause of last games or me wanting to wait til day 2.

Unfortunately day 2 is now going to be more of the same except I’m going to actually vote.

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you're literally the reason why town loses so much in MS

If he is town here I’d actually believe it given his play here

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Reaction tests are bad? lying is bad

yes and yes

please stop doing both and maybe you have a chance of getting better.

[Apple Jack]

vote: sergtacos

here is a good d1 policy lynch

let's stop with the policy lynches and just lynch scum

vote whymafia for 2017 scum of the year

[Apple Jack]

@alisae - why are you not scum reading why?

[Apple Jack]

if he flips PR, well damn shit happens, move on

[Apple Jack]

Derpy if you want me to vote why a case is a great place to start

I already outlined my reasons multiple times, why just tried to defend himself from them in one of the pages that happened while I was sleeping.

[Apple Jack]

if nobody is going to even consider lynching why, maybe i should just replace out.

p.edit - no

[Apple Jack]

I will just go back to my earlier play and stop caring, since nobody else seems to

[Apple Jack]

*involved*

[Apple Jack]

you basically just want to policy lynch people. gtfoh

[Apple Jack]

yes you are correct. This isn't my MO as either alignment.

and?

[Apple Jack]

yes you are correct. This isn't my MO as either alignment.

and?

And that's a really shady defense of you. If you flip scum, I think that raises Alisae's scum equity. She also keeps asking for reasons why people are voting you. It's like she's trying to subtly lead the lynch away from you. Having said that, your insistence to lynch whymafia and her lack of desire/understanding shows poor teamwork/execution if you're scumbuddies.

"so what"
"well, i'm just taking notes for myself for when people start flipping"

It isn't a defense. IT'S THE FUCKING TRUTH

Anyone who wants to lynch me because of my attempt at a new play style is not playing smart. That isn't my opinion, that is fact. That is a policy lynch vote.

I am still scum hunting, i am still giving reasons why I think people are scum, and I am still telling people who I think should be lynched. the ONLY difference is I am not placing a vote down.

so in reality my play hasn't really changed that much from what I normally do. I am still death tunneling on Why and when day 2 starts I am going to continue to death tunnel him if he isn't lynched today.

[Apple Jack]

The only thing that can prevent me from death tunneling why tomorrow is 1. we lynch him today or 2. we somehow lynch some other scum and I can rule him out as NOT a partner.

[Apple Jack]

why is it shady? EVERY FUCKING PLAYER SHOULD LAY OFF OF ME UNTIL DAY 2.

[Apple Jack]

what is the derpy case?

There isn’t one

[Apple Jack]

I’ve stated and re stated my reasons already. I have no desire to do it again when people are capable of looking for them.

[Apple Jack]

Disagree but whatever

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I see nothing wrong with giving me what I asked for. That’s called showing people respect.

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disagree obviously

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sub, you haven't moved your vote from uzi who isn't even playing anymore. do you still think that slot is scum? if yes what do you think klazam has done that's scummy.

I can't be unbiased towards him anymore so that's why I want to hear you explain it.

[Apple Jack]

meh, luv was probably my only town read
im with you on the re-reads
the participation thing is weird cause i'd say your participation isn't too good and I can easily name 4-5 more who could stand to do better.

[Apple Jack]

as for klazam, I do agree his reaction to UC's post is really bad and I already don't like him but at this point I can't differentiate my personal hatred for him and what's legitimately scummy anymore.

so luv saw you do something and was suspicious of you, when somebody tried to use meta to clear you, he was still suspicious? I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. You omgus luv basically

[Apple Jack]

yeah re-reading that exchange between you and him. I side with luv on this one. your reaction was bad and I don't see where he calls serg town. All he says is serg is fucking around which isn't AI. You saying LUV is subtly calling serg town is blatantly false.

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to be fair I don't think you know what town and scum derpy really is

[Apple Jack]

nah, I mean somebody will say wifom but if I were scum i'd be doing the same thing I do as town and would not experiment with something crazy like this.

[Apple Jack]

nobody is good day 1, it is almost always luck.

just lynch somebody scummy and roll with it.

[Apple Jack]

nobody is good day 1, it is almost always luck.

just lynch somebody scummy and roll with it.

No derpy if day 1 lasts 40 plus pages there are gods on this site that can read ppl off play style alone and catch the whole scum team.... I'll never understand why day 1s are approached in this manner.

I mean the self proclaimed god of mafia boonskiies says he can’t do shit day 1...

[Apple Jack]

I'm on the edge of my seat.

[Apple Jack]

I just got offered a promotion today and now I am being teased with a why lynch. could this be the best day ever?

[Apple Jack]

I just got offered a promotion today and now I am being teased with a why lynch. could this be the best day ever?

Your year was ruined when you didn't come hang out in the Poconos for my birthday with the DMers

Idk what this means.

[Apple Jack]

robik

i think

robb is

a different beck

Huh?

[Apple Jack]

Oh. Yeah idk who any of those people are.

[Apple Jack]

Why the switch?

Cause scum has been found now.

[Apple Jack]

Metas are so stupid.

Qft

[Apple Jack]

Qft?

Quoted for truth

[Apple Jack]

Well I’ve learned something useful. When I’m getting run up act like sad and self vote and get people to feel sad for me.

[Apple Jack]

What makes whymafia the towniest player in this game?

[Apple Jack]

Problem with forum mafia. People don’t stick around to have conversations

[Apple Jack]

I town read Whymafia.

Why

[Apple Jack]

guys this flips scum trust me
VOTE: acid

You didn’t explain your read on why

[Apple Jack]

UNVOTE: VOTE: Tchill

dont even need to explain this one

yeah you do

[Apple Jack]

3 days left and we are nowhere close to a lynch

[Apple Jack]

don't want to be on the same wagon as your scum buddies? that's cute taco

[Apple Jack]

make a claim! dude! if your town, then claim!

Who the fuck claims at l-2?

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: why

His apology for his vote and him knowing dunkers was going to hammer is just more bad things against him.

[Apple Jack]

VOTE: why

His apology for his vote and him knowing dunkers was going to hammer is just more bad things against him.

How is "knowing dunkers is going to hammer" a scum tell? I can see the apologize argument because if he is scum he knew Kaz is scum flip and apologized because he felt bad, but him 'knowing' dunkers is going to hammer is nothing but WIFOM

It’s scummy and I already thought he wa scum. He’s literally done nothing townish so he gets my vote.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy I am not nor ever voting Why in this current gamestate baring a cop guilty
Claiming miller then taking it back never comes from scum it is extremely risky and sloppy to do that so fucking STOP

Well I guess I’ll be s tree stump.

[Apple Jack]

Like I feel like {Boon, Why, Taco, Dunker, Acid, Derpy} are all town
That leaves {Mikey, Tchill, Assemble, Sub}

That's where I am at with the gamestate

I honestly don’t understand how you have all those people as town.

[Apple Jack]

Like my entire scum pool is in his town pool.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy I am not nor ever voting Why in this current gamestate baring a cop guilty
Claiming miller then taking it back never comes from scum it is extremely risky and sloppy to do that so fucking STOP

Let’s pretend I have a guilty

Btw using that to town read somebody is legitimately the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. You are basically saying scum can fake claim Miller and retract it and you will town read them.

Scum or town read the play. Not the stupid trolling antics. Why’s play has been god awful.

[Apple Jack]

And I can never town read or trust a player who thinks that is a good reason to town read somebody. That’s not playing a mafia.

[Apple Jack]

Why’s play hasn’t been great, but why does that make him scum? This isn’t even a too scummy to be scum defense. It’s a flat out, what exactly makes him scum? Because I don’t see scum motivation from Why.

I’ve alrwad explained all the many things he’s done that makes him scum.

[Apple Jack]

And I can never town read or trust a player who thinks that is a good reason to town read somebody. That’s not playing a mafia.

Why isn’t that a good reason to town read someone? It’s done me right before. It’s not just one thing that adds up, I look at the entirety of the play, so a bunch of little things add up. At the same time, I’ve had people be my top town read, and then I was able to go back and look through things and change it to my top scum read, and push them. I did this to Tchill before when he was scum.

I went back over Why’s ISO, and I still see town Why. Scum still have to push a scum agenda, and hindsight makes everything make sense, so having the foresight to jump on top of that is actually good reasons to town read someone.

Cause scum can fake it very easily. You have to judge the overall play and literally nothing points to town imo.

[Apple Jack]

I guess what I’m asking is, can you see WhyMafia just doing those things as town? You can still scum read him for that, or feel he’s scum. I just want the answer to that question.

No I can’t see a town player doing them.

[Apple Jack]

Why is it more likely to come from scum than poor town play, though? Why is it AI to you?

1. I don’t really know how anyone can tell the difference without a flip.
2. If a player does multiple scummy things that points to scum. He’s done multiple things.
3. Literally nobody is pointing to his play and showing how it’s town motivated. Alisae is town reading him for something he did in RVS which is absolutely terrible.

[Apple Jack]

I am judging the overall play. Nothing points to scum for me. What play by him benefits ScumWhy? Even his associations are non existent. He would probably be null for me if I wasn’t familiar with Why/the pressure on him also makes me town read him securely.

Well since nobody is scum reading him despite his scummy play, I’d say it’s benefit him quite well.

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Way too many people using meta as a defense. That’s a slippery slope

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I can’t find my big summary post I made earlier about why but for starters. Why would a town player fake ignorance?

Can anyone explain that? It was intentionally done. That’s not a bad player. That’s somebody doing something calculated

[Apple Jack]

Like my entire scum pool is in his town pool.

then your reads are bad

Based on how each of them have played this game. I’d say no.

Now if you have inside info you could of course be saying this.

[Apple Jack]

I'm saying they wouldn't do it in the first place

That’s not true. I’ve seen scum do it before. I’ve also seen scum fake claim Miller and not retract.

Judge the play, not the stupid rvs antics

[Apple Jack]

So looking at the wagon and d1 play I’ll vote anyone of the following why/taco/dunker. Boon is also an acceptable lynch. And I’ll just leave Alisae at null.

[Apple Jack]

Where the hell did this bump topic thing come from? lol

[Apple Jack]

Yeah 3 more votes on why for our first scum lynch.

[Apple Jack]

so i guess we aren't going to talk about how you guys pushed a mislynch into the ground

Let’s talk about your scummy as fuck hammer and how you tried to shift the blame off yourself

[Apple Jack]

I'm convinced that Dunker is scum.

I’m not 100% but it looks very likely

[Apple Jack]

Dunker's posting seems towny to me based off of tone.

[Apple Jack]

so doing some re-reading I have revised my scum list.

I think the 3 scum are Why/dunker/assemble.

it's kind of hard to explain and since nobody really listens to me anyway i am not going to but we need to lynch one of these 3 today.

[Apple Jack]

we gotta stop rewarding stupid play on this site just because we are used to bad town. too easy for scum to take advantage of that.

I don’t even care if you are trying to pocket me right now but to are saying everything I believe so I like you.

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1. You aren’t confirmed town yet
2. Even if you were doesn’t mean your reads are right
3. Pretty much never sheeping anyone who gives a town read because stupid rvs antics and ignores blatant scummy and intentionally scummy play.

So vote why or stfu

[Apple Jack]

No I am not voting why he is town

Did you answer my question that was asked of everyone town reading him?

[Apple Jack]

Why would a town player fake ignorance?

[Apple Jack]

I’ll lynch Alisae even though he’s not on my scum list just because his reads make no sense from a town POV and his town read if why is for literal the dumbest thing ever. His rvs antics is flat null.

His play after that is what you judge him on and no way can anyone make a town argument for why.

[Apple Jack]

It matters to me. Only reason I’m not putting a vote on you right now is cause my 2 scum reads are voting you.

I’ll just disregard you from now on since you are disregarding me and you aren’t even judging why on his play

[Apple Jack]

Your play is incredibly antitiown

[Apple Jack]

Your play is incredibly antitiown

yeah but he's town

No way you know that 100% and the reason for your town read is for something null.

Go away

[Apple Jack]

Show me game related reasons why he’s town and answer my question or I’ll vote you regardless who’s on the wagon.

If you are town there is literally no reason for you to be doing this right now.

[Apple Jack]

i have my reasons

Bussing?

[Apple Jack]

dunkerdoodles is town

You are terrible dunker.

VOTE: Alisae

[Apple Jack]

derpy boon tacos acid
last scum in here

Why isn’t why in your list?

[Apple Jack]

because i don't think he's scum?

Why?

[Apple Jack]

Answer my question also about intentionally faking ignorance please.

[Apple Jack]

That’s a stupid answer. I’ll just blacklist you also since you won’t even play the game properly

[Apple Jack]

So why is confirmed partner imo.

[Apple Jack]

Bye Felicia

[Apple Jack]

It didn't really help town that their watcher forget he was a watcher. no offense whymafia

Or he played super scummy or a townie decided to gamethrow.

[Apple Jack]

Stop fake claiming Miller or doing any gambits at all.

Stop faking ignorance.

Don’t forget your role

Baby steps

[Apple Jack]

.....
THE MILLER THING WAS NEVER SCUMMY SJFIAJCIANCJA
I NEVER FAKED IGNORANCE IT WAS REAL DISGOSJCS
ok I'll give you the last point :-:

Thais is the issue. You don’t think it’s bad but you don’t know how others will take it. I hate peoples who lie no matter what it is. As town you should never deceive people.

I eventually moved you back to null but then you did other scummy things. Yes you weren’t scum but I didn’t know that and you did enough things that it all added up.

You should have just ignored me instead of trying to antagonize me.

[Apple Jack]

As town you should never deceive people.

[Apple Jack]

other scummy things.

Besides "faking ignorance" what were the other pings for you? That stood out to me the most.

For starters scum reading tchill for something but giving boon a free pass. Your entire scum read on tchill didn’t really make much sense to me.

How about the fact that you wanted tchill lynched but did very little to convince people to follow you. I even told you to do that and you somehow decided to misrep me and then we argued for multiple pages.

Part of this game is finding and convincing others to lynch scum but you did very little convincing.

(I mean I made a whole list during the game of things you did. Idk why I’m basically retyping them)

You were town, your forgetting your role and alisae getting himself lynched pretty much ruined town’s chances.

[Apple Jack]

Like at the end of day 1, read your role pm especially if it’s been a long and drawn out day.

[Apple Jack]

Somehow I need to figure out how to ignore people lying. I shouldn’t have to but it’s happening almost every game. I really wish people would just do better.

[Apple Jack]

So when why was giving porker shit for forgetting his role. Did why still not know he was a watcher?

[Apple Jack]

disclaimer if you play turbos:

not everyone in the turbo will be trying
play at your own risk

That could be said about almost every single game on this site

[Apple Jack]

I try my hardest every game. I’m a try hard.

As do i. It pisses me off when people don’t.

[Apple Jack]

There is another site that almost all games are 24/48 hour days. It’s hard to follow cause of the amount of posts.

5 to 7 days seems perfect imo.

[Apple Jack]

mu normal games are 36 hour days lol

hard to follow happens but is a only-sign-up-if-you-have-the-time thing

I joined a while ago but seemed like I could never get into a game. Not many in signups

[Apple Jack]

I don’t want turbo. I want a normal game

[Apple Jack]

So maybe MU is too easy?

[Apple Jack]

Idk about mu but here townies are downgrading their town meta so they can play better as scum.

[Apple Jack]

I can get easily town read as town and can usually do the same as scum. I just have trouble telling the difference between scum and scummy townies.

[Apple Jack]

who is mega smith?

[Apple Jack]

i got distracted by d1 scum hunting. Saving this and going to take time to really read it. Hopefully it takes hold in my mind.