Mini Normal 1941 - Game Over

LlamaFluff · Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:37 pm

Vote Count

havingfitz (3) - PantherPunt, Elena Fisher, Mulch
Elena Fisher (1) - havingfitz

Not Voting (2) - Srceenplay, Cabd

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Four is November 1st, 9PM PST (expired on 2017-11-01 21:00:00)

havingfitz · Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:06 am

In post 1849, Elena Fisher wrote:fitz went from me as top tr top 2nd top tr to top tr again and now he's voting me yeah I'm pretty confident in this read if you got any questions cabd (you should know my main) ask away.

What are you even talking about?

Yesterday and today (D3-4) this is how I have viewed you:

In post 1418, havingfitz wrote:I'm not feeling Panther. I could do Elena. None of that sounded right.

VOTE: Elena

In post 1673, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1672, Srceenplay wrote:You reading EF as scum?
I'm saying she's in the trio of possibilities. I haven't ruled any of them out. Pre re-read I would say I'd rank tjem Mulch...Panther...
Elena
.

In post 1675, havingfitz wrote:Scummiest...scummy...
could be scum
.

In post 1729, havingfitz wrote:Doing a reread. Second guessing Mulch vote.

UNVOTE:

In post 1765, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1759, Mulch wrote:What are you doing, fool
Why is lucky a fool? If you are town...
guaranteed Elena is scum
.

havingfitz · Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:09 am

Srceen and Cabd....I'm town.

Figure out who is scum in the other three and let's not lose this for town. Right now my money's on: Elena AND Panther or Mulch....leaning Panther.

PantherPunt · Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:02 am

What an ugly turn.

PantherPunt · Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:05 am

In post 1777, Elena Fisher wrote:I have some comments for post-game regardless of certain peoples alignments. I think this is the correct lynch today I would also vote Panther although I want Panther and fitz to come around and gives some more content if they could. I dislike that I got sheeped as the "towny" in the group seemingly out of nowhere and would like that explained.
I also want to see what made fitz tr me over mulch and then that change.

I've touched on this many times. I'm basing the read entirely on the tictac progression where he tried to call out srceenplay over the "green" Pm thing. I don't think scum ever thinks to take that line of attack, even with the 'sample' VT PM in the OP. Enough that I'm actually thinking Vedith vs. cd was theater and Mulch vs. fitz is theater. If I'm wrong, and you're scum, congrats on having an easy endgame.

PantherPunt · Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:07 am

In post 1796, Mulch wrote:
In post 1244, Tchill13 wrote:I'm pretty sure mulch is town here so I'm sleeping him. I feel like una is town too.
He's never misread me

In post 1797, Mulch wrote:Morality townread me too, and he reads me as scum when I'm scum

This is such a bad argument, just so ya know.

Care to share the sample size on each of these? Considering your join date and all...I'm guessing its 1 or 2 for each.

PantherPunt · Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:10 am

In post 1832, Elena Fisher wrote:This is why I don't think Mulch is scum if he is I'm going to avoid any game with him given what has been going on right now

Towny post.

If you're town, I'm afraid I've got some bad (but maybe actually good) news.

Cabd · Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:58 pm

Can the not-masons call their guess for the team?

Or quote it if I missed it?

Mulch · Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:56 pm

Fitz panther

Mulch · Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:03 pm

In post 1855, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1796, Mulch wrote:
In post 1244, Tchill13 wrote:I'm pretty sure mulch is town here so I'm sleeping him. I feel like una is town too.
He's never misread me

In post 1797, Mulch wrote:Morality townread me too, and he reads me as scum when I'm scum
This is such a bad argument, just so ya know.

Care to share the sample size on each of these? Considering your join date and all...I'm guessing its 1 or 2 for each.

Like 6

Elena Fisher · Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:31 pm

In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

havingfitz · Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:03 am

Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.

havingfitz · Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:08 am

What's up mason? How are you both leaning? If it's my direction talk it through with me because I'm town and would prefer town not lose...and especially not being the lynch that causes town to lose.

Elena Fisher · Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:09 am

In post 1666, havingfitz wrote:If the mason claim is real...scum is in Panther.Mulch.Elena.

Looking over BBT and Srceenplay iso's I believe their claim. I'll sheep masons immediately or wait till Monday at the latest to make my vote.

In post 1673, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1672, Srceenplay wrote:You reading EF as scum?
I'm saying she's in the trio of possibilities. I haven't ruled any of them out. Pre re-read I would say I'd rank tjem Mulch...Panther...Elena.

In post 1675, havingfitz wrote:Scummiest...scummy...could be scum.

your contradiction is you have us all as could be scum and of course that's true from everyone's pov you had me on "could be scum" as you quoted yourself but out of scummiest scummy and could be scum "could be scum" is by far the weakest of all 3 claims so I would be your weakest sr

In post 1690, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1677, Mulch wrote:You townread me all game and now just call me scum
fuck off
you obvious and this again is not my fault if the masons take the most obvious scum in the game , likely with panther, and lynch me instead
1. You fuck off you little internet tool.
2. Clearing 2 players as masons changes reads Einstein.
3. You've scum read me the entire game...so we've both been wrong.
4. Fine. VOTE: Mulch

You go on with such confidence on your Mulch read and then post some vca bullshit to make him your tr.

Elena Fisher · Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:10 am

Your tone is empty and not caring. Your thought process does not add up at all pretty simple

PantherPunt · Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:40 am

In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1860, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1861, havingfitz wrote:Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.

tfw all unconfirmeds call you scum and accidentally clear you

PantherPunt · Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:41 am

mulch + fitz in case you haven't seen me say it 472 times

PantherPunt · Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:42 am

In post 1865, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1860, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1861, havingfitz wrote:Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.
tfw all unconfirmeds call you scum and accidentally clear you

lol guess I can't really say this fairly to outside objective observers, as all 3 besides fitz are saying fitz is scum

but I'm town so I know it's true for me

and am fairly confident mulch is just bussing fitz, as he tried to get him lynched on unabombah lynch day as well (with ~no explanation)

PantherPunt · Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:43 am

In post 1867, PantherPunt wrote:as he tried to get him lynched on unabombah lynch day as well (with ~no explanation)

edit

he didn't try to get him lynched

he just voted him and afk'd most of the entire day and hoped una got lynched with him sideline voting his bro

PantherPunt · Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:46 am

In post 1302, Mulch wrote:VOTE: havingfitz

One down Boyz

In post 1382, Mulch wrote:I'm going to be honest with you, I completely forgot this game existed lmfao

In post 1384, Mulch wrote:When you are prodded and it's 50 posts

In post 1390, Mulch wrote:I was voting fitz cause he pinged me on the ghostlin lynch

In post 1475, Mulch wrote:Fitz is still the most scummy imo. I think Lucky is being very towny. Panther you weirded me out with that self vote but I guess I can understand it... I am getting scum/scum tingles from Panther/Screen... but otherwise Screen is villagery esp considering his meta, and panther is slight town.

In post 1477, Mulch wrote:
In post 1476, Srceenplay wrote:I just read fitz ISO tonight. I didn't notice anything scumy. Have you seen anything or just have the feels?
Mostly feels, however they felt extra scummy around the Ghost lynch, and they had a few recent posts that felt scummy too

In post 1571, Mulch wrote:I have no time to commit to this game, I'm really sorry.

Ok, 10 hours.

VOTE: Una

Hope this hits red. Good luck

I skipped some other baseless "scum reads" made on fitz, but ya this is pretty transparent imo

Mulch · Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:55 am

It’s not transparent because it’s not true

So...

havingfitz · Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:25 am

Elena...you ignore my response to your accusation/shade that I had you as "top tr top 2nd top tr to top tr again" when it is clear..even before the masons claimed...that you were someone I suspect (ex. Post 1418).

And how can you call me out for a contradiction (which doesn't even exist as I have shown) when at the same time you acknowledge "that's true of course from everyone's pov?" So stating a truth is a contradiction?

No...a contradiction (or lie?) is you saying I was town reading you and then voted you when my post above shows this is not the case.

You're being lazy and not even trying to fabricate a worthy mislynch case against me. Just baseless weak accusations to try and shift the masons towards me. Because that is all scum needs in this game is for the masons to agree. Unless of course the other non-mason townie is in agreement with you and then you just need one mason. I'm more confident in your alignment than I am in Mulch and Panthers.

I am not confident in my Mulch read. I actually just looked over some of my games with Vedith this morning and he has absolutely no problem bussing partners through to a lynch. Which was the reason I was clearing Mulch to begin with. Taking bussing town cred out of the equation and Mulch has the worst VCA from my POV. The reluctant hammer on both mislynches and pushing me much of the game.

Panther has actually said some things that have made me second guess suspecting him. I would prefer to sort them out tomorrow. You are the surer thing imo based on your play today. Call it your tone or gut....both are about as ambiguous a read against someone as one can get. Like your last comment towards me.

What is more likely Srceen and Cabd

...that scum would unnecessarily extend the game another day by bussing their partner or that scum would want to end the day now for the win? There is no reason to extend the game when it is in their grasp. The fact everyone other than a mason is voting me should scream to the masons (and whoever the other town is) that I am town.

Cabd · Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:22 am

In post 1865, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1860, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1861, havingfitz wrote:Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.
tfw all unconfirmeds call you scum and accidentally clear you

Explain (elaborate) like I'm 5.

Elena Fisher · Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:25 am

You never talked about me again as your top sr after 1418 correct me if I am wrong. You're using obvious statements and trying to play them as fact I already explained why your post above is wrong. The only thing I didn't touch on is 1765 and we both know that's not you scumreading me that's you stating a

fact

from your pov fitz if you are town and so is mulch I am 100% scum yes this is a

fact

not a point you're trying to make as you saying you scumread me Your points against me are Gut tone and "VCA" that is all your only defense is you have 3 votes against you.

Cabd should already know this is my town game screen is who I need to convince

PantherPunt · Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:35 am

In post 1872, Cabd wrote:
In post 1865, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1860, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1858, Mulch wrote:Fitz panther

In post 1861, havingfitz wrote:Elena is scum. Between Panther and Mulch I lean scum on Panther.
tfw all unconfirmeds call you scum and accidentally clear you
Explain (elaborate) like I'm 5.

I kind of recanted in the following post when I stepped out of my POV and into an objective third party POV.

But I was saying that since all 3 of the other unconfirmed players are saying I'm a part of their scum team, it makes me town, because it means both scum in the trio want me lynched (which is objectively true from my POV).

I recanted because fitz fits the same qualifier - being on the other 3 players' projected scum team. So objectively, I can't say it should "clear" me to you masons, because it would mean you should clear fitz too and the resultant scum team is Mulch and Elena. But I believe Elena is town, mostly by way of their predecessor, tictac, but in part from Elena too. So I think Mulch is bussing fitz when calling him scum.

Follow?